Martin McGuinness: “…it is not conducive to getting a good outcome.”

Sinn Féin’s Martin McGuinness doesn’t appear to have had much to say today about the behind-closed-doors talks at Stormont – apart from telling the BBC’s Chris Page

The timeframe for a deal in Stormont’s inter-party talks is “days, not weeks”, the deputy first minister has said.

Martin McGuinness said he believed a deal was “achievable” and that the talks process was “intensifying”.

Still, it’s good to see Sinn Féin on the same page as the Prime Minister, David Cameron, at last.  As the BBC will know… [2 Oct]

The prime minister has told the BBC that Northern Ireland inter-party talks have to lead to agreement by the end of October.

And while the Ulster Unionist leader, Mike Nesbitt, welcomed that deadline, Sinn Féin’s Pat Doherty had taken a slightly different line [6 Oct]

Mr Nesbitt, who is attending the Conservative Party conference in Manchester, said his party was playing an “imaginative” role in the talks, but said he was concerned that Sinn Féin and the DUP would come up with an incomplete deal on their own.

“What I fear is there will be a sticking plaster solution carved out between Sinn Féin and the DUP. When we get to that point we’ll make a decision,” he said.

Sinn Féin’s Pat Doherty, who is also at the conference, said his party was in contact with the DUP about finding a solution.

“There is some potential for progress there, but it remains to be seen if both of us can get across the line,” he said.

Deadlines are set and we should try to do that, but I don’t think that’s the crucial thing. I think the crucial thing is that we come to a resolution that all the parties can sign up to.” [added emphasis throughout]

But Martin McGuinness isn’t happy with some others…

Mr McGuinness, of Sinn Féin, claimed there had been an attempt to “sabotage” the talks in the last few weeks.

The deputy first minister added that “the difficulty about recent times is that some parties can’t get out the door quick enough to say something which negatively feeds into what we’re trying to do”.

Mr McGuinness said his own party had not done this, and he did not think the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) had done so either.

But he added: “I do think other parties have done that and it is not conducive to getting a good outcome.”

[But not the DUP? – Ed] No.  Not the DUP…

As for what ‘negativity’ he had in mind… [Sinn Féin ‘must get real about the IRA’? – Ed]  Possibly…

And, as Richard Colwell, of RedC, pointed out

For Sinn Fein the issues in the North in recent weeks appear to have done them no favours with voters, with declines in support occurring despite another high profile Anti-Water tax March in the past week, at which party figures were prominent. The gains they have made during the mid-term have been built on their support for the disenfranchised voters who feel let down by the government. In order to re-gain lost ground, they therefore need to move to settle matters in the North quickly, and so re-focus voters’ attention on the local issues they are fighting for on their behalf.

The question then is if this re-focus will be enough to regain voters, with the backdrop of an increasingly positive economic outlook, and an electorate who broadly believe that the country is currently on the right track.

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  • Sergiogiorgio

    Does it make one iota of difference what this shower of clowns decide upon?
    Does anyone really care anymore?

  • Greenflag 2

    They do but then political careers are on the line . On the other hand as my old man used to say – ‘Don’t care was made care ‘. LIfe catches up with the don’t carers and when they eventually look for help ? Nobody cares

    You might have to redefine care – on a spectrum from the lower end of

    “I would rather watch grass grow” to ‘it’s critical that SF don’t get the FM’s job and also critical that the UUP win at least four more seats “etc etc .

    As long as the Exchequer cares they’ll muddle along for a while yet .

  • Granni Trixie

    “Nobody cares” – have you been talking to Jim Wells?

  • Surveyor

    Well it turns out Sinn Féin was quite correct to hold fire on implementing any cuts after all. As the vote in the House of Lords proved the austerity agenda can be beaten.

    Maybe the DUP canvassers can explain to it’s voters on the doorsteps why it was prepared to fully implement the Tory cuts.

  • Sergiogiorgio

    It wos Sinn Fein wot won it?

    Oh do behave!

  • chrisjones2

    “some parties can’t get out the door quick enough to say something which negatively feeds into what we’re trying to do”

    Like telling people what little deals are being cooked up behind their backs? Shackin!!!!

  • chrisjones2

    ” the austerity agenda can be beaten.”

    Dream on

  • Surveyor

    Dare to dream Chris. Instead of taking it like a good little sheep.

  • mac tire

    Quick Chris, contact Conservative Party HQ. They may give you a more comprehensive reply template.
    We’ll give you six attempts at answering.

  • Mary Anna Quigley

    Deals done from 2002 OTRs – done deals over thousands of murdered innoncent victims 47,50 injured. Spend their life doing deals1972 -2015 double standards. Never saw anyone as anxious as Dads Army today. Power greed need to feel important shower of dirty clowns .It is not in there interest to be honest. Untrustworthy sociopathic liars!!

  • Robin Keogh

    While most people will have probably found it difficult to navigate through the links in the above posts and find any relevent connection; i think it is fair to say that despite it all at least the partys are trying.

  • Thomas Barber

    So who do you think got all those unknown numbers of Royal pardons Mary or why do you think there is a reluctance on the part of the government or the PSNI to proactively bring to justice all those RUC officers and British intelligence officers who armed, controlled and directed their proxies in the various paramilitary groups on both sides to carry out murder and violence on their behalf. It really doesn’t suit your agenda to point out the reality that hundreds upon hundreds of murders were carried out by state agents on behalf of the state.

  • Nevin

    “Sinn Féin’s Martin McGuinness doesn’t appear to have had much to say today about the behind-closed-doors talks at Stormont – apart from telling the BBC’s Chris Page”

    Rather more than a 17 sec BBC clip. Martin and Emma welcomed a UNITE event at Stormont. He briefly mentioned a recent talks session:

    “The Ulster Unionist party sent two people to those discussions none of which was an elected representative and none of which uttered a single word during the meeting which was about very vital and important budgetary and economic issues.” [2m 30s in]

  • Robin Keogh

    Mary do u think any of the Army personnell involved in Bloody Sunday should be charged and jailed?

  • barnshee

    “do u think any of the Army personnell involved in Bloody Sunday should be charged and jailed?”

    Yes they should be charged and tried and where found guilty jailed (2 years shd do it)

    Do you think the hundreds of rioters who attacked the police and army on BS should have been prosecuted?

    Should the army council of the RA be charged with some 2000 murders?

  • Robin Keogh

    It would have been far better to prosecute them rather than execute them.

    As for Army Council of the RA. They should be treated no different to the British military chiefs in charge during the course of the war.

  • Greenflag 2

    Narcolepsy as a sleep disorder is a life long condition but can be moderated by treatment just as sleep apnea . Lack of proper sleep can result in people saying things or doing things they normally would’nt -including judgement lapses -and poor personal life decisions . Some of the more irrational beliefs associated with evangelical fundamentalism and other faiths are however beyond medical treatment although clinical psychiatrists may be able to help in some of the very extreme cases.

    One wishes for Mr Wells to get well regardless of his politics or beliefs

  • Carlos Fleming

    “i think it is fair to say that despite it all at least the partys are trying.”
    Trying to do what exactly ? Hold on to their seats.
    We’re not asking them to try their best, these arn’t school children. We arn’t asking them to run the country as a favour.
    So defeatist, so depressing. Not that I blame you. This is Northern Ireland after all.
    We get the politicians we deserve..apparently.

  • barnshee

    “It would have been far better to prosecute them rather than execute them.

    As for Army Council of the RA. They should be treated no different to the British military chiefs in charge during the course of the war.”

    There were no hundreds executed– so that leaves hundreds still to be charged?

    The rough count is

    IRA killed 60%

    UVF etc killed 30%

    Police /army 10%

    Study the mckeown database

    http://cain.ulster.ac.uk/victims/mckeown/index.html

    Note the detail I invite you in particular to examine the circumstances of the deaths where police and army are involved.

    Deaths by the security forces arise almost exclusively from confrontation and attacks on the security forces —one can only stand amazed at the ability of the police and army to arrange confrontations and ambushes.

    Deaths by the murder gangs invariably involve “shoot in back,” or bombing indiscriminately operations

  • Granni Trixie

    I have absolutely no Idea about Jim Wells and a health condition so will not comment on what you say other than I was judging him solely on his public record.

  • Robin Keogh

    There is far more to a conflict than the number and circumstances of those who lost their lives. The involvement of state forces in collusion and cover up has no statistical graph for all to see. not to mention the rogue tyrannous adminustration whose btutal acts of savagery against peacful protesters along with institutionalised sectarian social and economic terrorism triggered the entire conflict.

  • Sergiogiorgio

    Try fighting an election on it. Oh yes, you lost.

    Socialism rules!

    Just keep on borrowing…..

  • chrisjones2

    All you are doing is fooling yourself. The debts have to be paid. Ask the PIGS.

  • chrisjones2

    ….what do you mean involved?

    If you mean where there is evidence against them they should be charged then yes. And jailed if convicted.

    Mind you I hold that line on all the murderers and those who sent them out to kill but that’s not going to happen. Too many of them have secret pardons and get out of jail free cards. And too many of them may hold senior roles in your party (or the Army Council that Controls it) Robin, so it would be detrimental to the Peace Process (TM)

    By the way, as an unquestioning SF supporter (those are the ones they like best) do you now consider yourself a party member of a foot soldier?

  • chrisjones2

    …and how many got the secret RPMs records of which were lost down the back of the sofa

  • chrisjones2

    “hundreds upon hundreds of murders were carried out by state agent”

    Evidence?

  • chrisjones2

    Giving a Press Conference and wearing a green tie to help watching Americans understand what side he is on, the venerable Marty said

    “”some parties can’t get out the door quick enough to say something which negatively feeds into what we’re trying to do”

    and

    “The Ulster Unionist party sent two people to those discussions none of which was an elected representative and none of which uttered a single word”

  • barnshee

    “rogue tyrannous adminustration whose btutal acts of savagery against peacful protesters along with institutionalised sectarian social and economic terrorism triggered the entire conflict.”

    Oh you mean the one where all citizens had access to free health and social security Where the roman catholic community had a fully state funded education of their choice That “rogue tyrannous adminustration”

    LOL

    Repeats– study the mckeown datatbase

    “There is far more to a conflict than the number and circumstances of those who lost their lives”

    No there aint

  • Robin Keogh

    Your are not the first to deny something that is a matter of historical and recorded fact, you wont be the last.

  • redbabylon

    Sinn Féin have been aiding British cuts since 1998. They’ve agreed to £1 billion in cuts to the public sector since 2010. They disallowed 80 amendments to the London welfare cuts. Sinn Féin are a pro-austerity party, that voted down the most basic needs of the poorest, eg the social fund. Sinn Féin have personal interests in the implementation of London cuts, that centralises the economy on privatisation, & property. The SF property portfolio is enormous & growing still. They were the very first party to sign up to Tory workfare. They have welcomed food banks as the new safety net. Most worryingly, SF are prepared to do the most severe cuts in Europe, stated by the EU, in only a one year timescale. The human cost will be huge.