Some more Bonfires/Bonefires/Bonies

Cluan Place/ Junction of Albertbridge Rd. The tarmac has been protected by a layer of sand. It hadn’t been repaired since last years bonefire.
3 days on from my last visit……
Donegal Pass which has no tyres or flags on it (at lunchtime) and also has a beacon. This makes me think that this might be a bonfire site signed up to the Bonfire Management Scheme.
There are countless smaller bonfires across the city


If anyone is in town tomorrow from 12.30 – 4.30 the Festival of Fools have 8 shows on back to back at Cornmarket with some of the finest and funniest street shows around to provide an alternative splash of colour

Edit to add these 2 photos of Pitt Park and Isthmus St

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  • john

    I quite fancy that celtic shirt half way up the bonfire at Donegal pass. I might see if I can get it before the festivities start

  • Keithbelfast

    The Sandy Row one is appalling. Right in the heart of the city. What a message that sends out to tourists. “Come to ‘Orangefest’ for your hols, but don’t dare cross that fucking border.”

  • As an aside, just back from our travels across the water and among other places was in Stratford when we were asked where we were from, and when we told the lady she said in reply “Ah Northern Ireland, forget the gift aid then , you don’t pay tax over there do you?”

    The above pictures will probably confirm everything she knows about the North of Ireland.

  • Practically all the Belfast sites – bar a couple – are participating in the council scheme to some extent.

  • nightrider

    Moochin
    Can you get a photo of the one in Castlereagh St? off the Castlereagh Road. I drove past it tonight and couldn’t believe it, right on the road towering between rows of terraced houses. If the Fire Service are too afraid they should send in the army.

  • qwerty12345

    Is that a Vatican flag on the Cluan place bonfire?

    And that kid with the Palestinian flag. Deeply deeply depressing.

  • ranger1640

    MP “there are countless other smaller bonfires across the city”!

    You seen to have made it your duty or could that be pilgrimage, to visit and count as many as possible.

    Did you not go to the Shankill?
    We have selection of both large and small bonfires all very colorfully bedecked.

    Just a wee foot note on the fleg thing.

    An interesting fact that came out of the discussion on radio this morning. There is a multi agency approach to flegs. The rag that flies form the top of the Artillery flats breaches the Department of Social Developments rules.

    The rag along with the republican suicide graffiti is flown to cause offence and intimidate the local Unionist/Loyalist communities. So when I see the DSD minister Nelson McCausland MLA tomorrow, I will be asking him to ensure that his department get up there and get the offending rag down and paint out the offending graffiti post-haste.

  • You can call it “whataboutery” if you must. It’s invariably mote and beam stuff.

    Degrading, saddening and — yes — depressing.

  • Hopping The Border

    What do you expect from cavemen but to be impressed with fire?

    It seems the cavemen are all the more so impressed if there are pretty colours flying atop the fire.

    Who cares if it offends the population of the UK’s nearest neighbour, and a substantial segment of those resident in northern ireland?

    After all, how can one not be impressed by the famed cultural expression of sparkling bigotry dosed with various pollutants?

    It’s “ar cultur” you see, to burn things…..

  • Greenflag

    Better they burn flags than people one supposes . Mind you this lot of cretins would probably burn people given half a chance . Do the Republicans burn ‘Union Jacks ‘ at Easter Rising Commemorations and if not why not ? Perhaps the Northern Ireland Tourist Board could organise a ‘Burning of the Flags ‘international competition where flag burners all over the world could compete in a week long orgy of flag burning . Contestants would have to purchase their favourite ‘burning ‘flags ‘ from local suppliers this giving a boost to whatever’s left of the textile industry ‘

    At least it would be one international competition which NI would be odds on to win every year 🙁

  • Comrade Stalin

    The rag along with the republican suicide graffiti is flown to cause offence and intimidate the local Unionist/Loyalist communities.

    There’s nothing more childish than to put up spurious counter complaints.

  • Marc Cicero

    As a disenchanted 21 year old, I can’t wait to get out of this place when my studies have finished in the next 2 years. It will always be the same, no matter how much money you throw at it.

  • The bonfires in Ballymena have more than enough tyres to make up for their environmentally friendly cousins.
    I thought burning tyres was illegal. Why is no-one stopping this nonsense?

  • Charlie Sheens PR guru

    thanks for the pictures MP!

    Wow. As well as a plethora of tricolours, they seem to have also targeted every republican/nationalist party and have got a vatican flag, palestine flag and burning a poster with the first polish candidate to stand for assembly in NI. And do I spy a couple of county (GAA) flags too?

    Hats off I say. Whatever you may about these displays being sectarian are wide of the mark.

    In actual fact someone has gone out of their way to broaden Bigot-fest 2011 to include as many groups as possible to offend.

    Who says we’re too insular?

  • Incase anyone missed the dig under the Orangefest pic

    “If anyone is in town tomorrow from 12.30 – 4.30 the Festival of Fools”

  • Seriously john get out of the playground.

    http://www.foolsfestival.com/latest/#news-11-Jul-11

    Turbo Jones AND Dankso Gida if i didn’t have other commitments i’d be sooo there

  • Pelican22

    Why is there a Brazil football top on the bonfire at Pitt Park? Did i miss something?

  • Reader

    Greenflag: Do the Republicans burn ‘Union Jacks ‘ at Easter Rising Commemorations and if not why not ?
    Easter is too early in the year for Union Flags. They seem to be available in *almost* sufficient quantities in August:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8207484.stm

  • SK

    “You seen to have made it your duty or could that be pilgrimage, to visit and count as many as possible.”

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    Ranger1640,

    If you’re so ashamed of these bonfires- which you must be, considering how upset get at those who photograph them- then why keep building the things?

  • Greenflag

    ‘Easter is too early in the year for Union Flags. They seem to be available in *almost* sufficient quantities in August:’

    Obviously the post July 12th surplus to requirements .With 3,000 marches up down and around Northern Ireland from June to August it should’nt be a surprise that some ‘jacks’ would find their way into unwelcoming hands .

    Perhaps the Northern Ireland authorities ought to ban these bonfires permanently as being both health and fire risks and a cost on the local community.

    Anyway these neanderthals are not looking for either the Polish or Irish vote in NI elections . It’s both sad and pathethic that this is how a group of morons celebrate their ‘national ‘holiday 🙁

  • orly

    belfastjj
    Incase anyone missed the dig under the Orangefest pic

    “If anyone is in town tomorrow from 12.30 – 4.30 the Festival of Fools”

    Most of us are aware of MP’s inherent bias.

  • carnmoney.guy

    The burning of the bonfires signifies the Unionist condoning of loyalist violence and is the justification of mandatory coalition.
    Who would let these spineless maniacs lead us as they did pre 1971 – the Orange Order by its actions dictates that the only solution to this state is one where the checks and balances of the Good Friday Agreement are core to any solution.
    Apologies to the psni officers hurt by bus raming, apologies to the petrified elderly of Ballyclare or Short Strand, but you are the ones who remind the ordinary folks, just like the Ronan Kerrs of this world….. we are still crap at sharing, so we must be forced too…………………….

  • ayeYerMa

    a bit of a 2+2=7 there from carnmoney.guy.

    Burning of tricolours is a reaction to Nationalists flying the symbol of the Republic in Northern Ireland, and aggressively implies to destroy Northern Ireland and annex it into the Republic. Is it not time for those who want to express an Irish identity to start using a less aggressive symbol to call the bluff of Loyalists and give them no excuse?

  • SK

    “Burning of tricolours is a reaction to Nationalists flying the symbol of the Republic in Northern Ireland, and aggressively implies to destroy Northern Ireland and annex it into the Republic. ”

    “We burn it cos themmuns fly it” would have been far more concise there, ayeYerMa.

  • HeinzGuderian

    It is old,but it is beautiful……………………..;-)

  • ForkHandles

    Why do they decorate the fires with lots of terrorists aprons?
    As far as i know the ROI didnt exist in 1690, and probably none of the other entities represented by flegs on the fires either.
    I remember enjoying the odd boney or two when i wer a lad, but there were no flags or hatred that i remember. Just mostly kids enjoying a big fire. All this negativity is a bit strange when the point is to have a celebration and an enjoyable time.

  • Comrade Stalin

    ayeYerMa:

    Burning of tricolours is a reaction to Nationalists flying the symbol of the Republic in Northern Ireland, and aggressively implies to destroy Northern Ireland and annex it into the Republic.

    There is no excuse for burning a flag, foreign or otherwise.

    Nationalism, at least as reflected in the election results, is now committed to exclusively peaceful and democratic methods. There therefore can be no question of terms like “aggressively”, “destroy” or “annex”. Perhaps you yearn for the days when people used violence. But the peaceful campaigning for Irish reunification is entirely normal and harmless in the context of a democratic state.

    Is it not time for those who want to express an Irish identity to start using a less aggressive symbol to call the bluff of Loyalists and give them no excuse?

    The IRA completely disarmed and (practically) disbanded. Sinn Fein signed up to partiton, to being a part of the UK, and to operating the government in Stormont (all three of which the IRA were sworn to tear asunder). What more bluff calling do you want ?

  • galloglaigh

    Ah Protestant bigotry at its finest!

    Happy bigotfest people, they’ll never change!

  • grandimarkey

    In my current Glaswegian residence I was having a look at these photographs on my laptop when my girlfriend and pal (both Scots) noticed them on the screen. They couldn’t believe that these could be built legally. First off was the fact that it was in the middle of a city that puzzled them and secondly they couldn’t understand why there were flags representing the other community in the city being burnt. I struggled to explain it…

  • Nunoftheabove

    grandimarkey

    That’s really saying something coming from someone living in Glasgow.

  • grandimarkey

    Ha!

    To be fair, the lady is from Perth and my friend Montrose, hardly sectarian hotspots, however they still found it incredible to see these structures in the middle of a city.
    Also, while Glasgow has it’s ’12th’ a week before Ireland, the bonfire culture hasn’t (to the best of my knowledge) reached Scotland, so large collections of flammable material decked in ones ‘neighbours’ national flag was alien to them.

    They also thought the child with the soon-to-be-burnt Palestinian flag was very depressing.

  • Nunoftheabove

    Yeah didn’t think it was plausible that most native Glaswegians would/could be that shocked, even about the inclusion of images of Lennon and Celtic shirts etc. Mind you, a good number of them would still regard the flag-worshipping/flag-burning etc as part Mississippi, part Nuremberg and it’s no exaggeration to say that these images and experiences and their intensity are part of what gets played out in old firm rivalries; you’ll know/learn that if you stay in G’gow long enough and/or travel back or over during the July fortnight and witness the numbers and the fervour of the participants.

    I shared some pics with friends in England this morning and they were each shocked at it, imagining that it was from the hunger strike era or some such. They were all of the view that ‘this kind of thing’ was very much past tense and were struck by just how much at variance it looks to the casual reader’s fleet street narrative of where stuff is in the north in 2011.

  • grandimarkey

    “fleet street narrative of where stuff is in the north in 2011”

    Agreed, however I don’t recall having these conversations with mainland residents in the past 4 years I’ve been here. Any of the inevitable ‘troubles’ conversations that I had with generally uninformed British (forgive me) people were situated in the past tense. This year that has changed and noticeably. I would’ve been inclined to nod along with the ‘fleet street’ narrative for some time but that isn’t an option any more.
    Unfortunately.

  • Nunoftheabove

    No forgiveness necessary – why would they care, after all ? Bad and probably heading to badder would be Dr Nun’s regrettable prognosis. Always convenient to have the marching season to add a little chilli sauce to things once a year though.

  • sparrow

    A hell of a lot of feigned ignorance here.

    Of course it would be wrong for the Swiss to burn an Austrian flag but the situation we have here is not one of mutually recognised neighbouring nations. There is an ongoing nationalist aspiration to the elimination of Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom, with aggravation by nationalists on a daily basis and attempts to delegitimise Northern Ireland’s Britishness, from City Hall flags to NLP style Orwellian language such as “the north of Ireland” repeated constantly by even SDLP politicians on the TV every day. Get real people. This is not Austria-Switzerland, more Kosovo and Serbia, or perhaps what Kosovo-Serbia could be in ten years time with a begrudging drop of the claim as Serbia tries to enter the EU.

    It will be inappropriate to burn the tricolour once nationalists recognise that the border separates two distinct legitimate nations, or even recognise that there are two nations on this island at all, whatever the border. While nationalists continue to constantly project the fictitious notion of an all island nation they have no right to proclaim the burning of the tricolour offensive and in any way equivalent to people burning the flag of a normal neighbouring country. Simple as. They just have to lump it, for the same reason I have to lump people on my TV screen talking about the “north of Ireland” and the “32 counties”, which is something, unlike a tricolour burning, nobody can avoid. The one is a quid pro quo of the other. One is more dramatic but rare and not aimed to be seen by those it offends, the other more subtle, much more frequent, but aimed to aggravate directly, but the two things are of the same essential nature. A proclamation that this is not part of this particular nation, or not part of that particular nation.

    If Austria had the same existential attitude to Switzerland as the Republic of Ireland has to Northern Ireland it would be perfectly legitimate for Swiss people to burn Austrian flags in protest against that.