Layout of Bryson Street interface

I thought i’d take the time to show those who perhaps do not have the local knowledge the layout of the interface which has been the scene of two nights of rioting. The RC Church (1) St Matthews sits at the corner of Bryson Street (2) and the Newtownards Rd. The green paint splat in the foreground shows the range of the rioters as this was where the PSNI Landrovers were parked last night to protect the entrance to the Short Strand. (3) makeshift barricade opposite St Matthews where i found 2 rubber bullets (66 are reported to have been fired) (4) boarded up houses on the Newtownards Rd (5) CCTV with a birds eye view……

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  • JR

    That estate no 3 is brand new. I wonder if the tennants there thought there would be baricades in front of their houses so soon. As a matter of interest is that new housing Catholic, Protestant or Mixed?

    If you look at the google street view of this estate, there was Union flags on the scafolding and bunting across the entrance of the estate before it was even built.

  • JR

    If you compare houses no 4 with the google street view you will see that the only windows still intact are the ones with grills over them.

  • Pelican22

    The estate at number 3 is Protestant, Northern Ireland Housing Executive very rarely create mixed housing developments in Belfast, which is one of the problems in N.I. in my opinion and why we end up with interfaces all over the city.

  • chewnicked

    The one flaw in your argument, Pelican, is that the Housing Executive did not create this development. It is a new-build Housing Association development.As for the prospect of making this a mixed estate, there is a fair chance that any Catholic resident might just have had enough time to boil the kettle before being made any offer they couldn’t refuse.

  • Cynic2

    chewnicked

    Thats a bit rich when there’s hardly a window left in any of the houses. But I suppose the Unionists living there put them in themselves?

  • chewnicked

    Fair comment, Cynic-Apologies.

  • The new housing estate at number 3 was social housing built for locals, the feud on the Shankill rd put paid to that and most of those living there now where put out of the Shankill the houses had already been allocated when the thugs moved in and basically took over the estate. There has been continuous trouble ever since.

  • An Ceide

    I hope the city council have been clearing all that ammunition so it can’t be used again come nightfall.

  • Chewnicked: it may have been built by a housing association, but it would have been specified by the NIHE through Design Services and tenant allocation would have been managed by them as well through their district offices. To all intents and purposes, it’s NIHE managed property (they were my customer for 4 years while I put in an information management system for them. It’s amazing what you can learn….)

  • Joe Bloggs

    Time for a peace wall to be built across the end of Bryson Street.

    The permanent wall at Madrid Street has done wonders to protect the residents at that particular interface so it’s time to do the same at Bryson Street.

    Close off the road like Madrid Street was and this problem will go away permanently….

  • Hard hat

    Victor1: if the estate to which you refer is brand new, and the Shankill feud was in 2000, can you elaborate on your post please?

  • Hard had, they moved there after the murder of Bobby Moffatt.

  • Joe Bloggs, I already live in an open prison with walls surrounding my home, I want the walls removed not increased, your suggestion would only add to the division and alienation of the communities living here. Thanks but no thanks.

  • chewnicked

    Stephen, tenant allocations would have been made by the Association from the Housing Selection Scheme waiting list.The selection and acquirement of the site would have been made by the Association as well. The day-to-day management of the house rests solely with the Associaion and NIHE has no role in this at all.

  • We canvassed the street at no. 3 and up to Bridge End before the elections. There were loyalist murals and mini-remembrance gardens, but the people who answered the doors weren’t overt PUP supporters. Some said they would never vote again, “they are all on the take”. In some streets the houses were so new they had only been there a year.

  • Mrs jones

    If you look to the left of photo 3 you can see a childs bungy jump thing overturned.Don’t curse another generation of childern with that ‘crap’.

  • Joe Bloggs

    Victor, ask the residents of Madrid Street and Thistle Court was life better before the new pace wall or after it was built.

    If Bryson Street is sealed off and the land behind the wall used as a buffer zone the two groups will be unable to ‘get at each other’.

    It isn’t great for community relations but surely preventing injury and even death should be the number one priority?

  • I’ve no need to ask anyone Joe Bloggs, I live there and have done for over 50yrs, my father before me and his mother before him and beyond, don’t try and lecture me on what the people of the Short Strand want or need, I’m well aware of the needs of the people here and have been very active in trying to meet that. Want the opinion of someone who lives at the coal face of an interface in the Short Strand, here it is, take the walls down ! Lets see the faces of the thugs causing the problems they are ball-less faceless cowards.

  • Joe Bloggs

    As someone who lives on the other side I know the Unionist residents want the walls lengthened and made taller so they can get a peaceful night’s sleep once in a while.

    Thistle Court and Madrid Street were virtually deserted because of Nationalist attacks until the new peace wall was built a few years ago. Now they are thriving streets with renovated houses and new tenants.

    If something works it’s generally a good idea to replicate it elsewhere.

  • Joe that’s a typical response from Unionists build barriers not bridges, your seem to be blaming residents in the Short Strand for the interface problems, well I’ve news for you, both sides get restless nights, both sides live in fear but I can assure you that in my area, I and my neighbours are out on the streets chasing those anti social elements who create the trouble, I only wish the same could be said on the Unionist side of the barrier.

    As for the walls, what height would you like them to be now ? How many more walls and barriers would you like to see built ? Should we begin to use separate buses and walk on opposite sides of the street ? would you like to see an apartheid system where all the taigs live work and play behind walls and barriers ? We are supposed to be in a new dispensation in the North of Ireland, but given that some, would prefer to build barriers rather than bridges I fear we are sliding back down into the abyss again.

    I do hope for my children’s sake and all the young people on this Island that I am very much wrong. By the way I have a very good friend on the other side of the wall, he feels like I do, remove the walls and lets build friendships.

  • Joe Bloggs

    victor1 – 24 June 2011 at 6:45 am
    “As for the walls, what height would you like them to be now ? How many more walls and barriers would you like to see built ? Should we begin to use separate buses and walk on opposite sides of the street ? would you like to see an apartheid system where all the taigs live work and play behind walls and barriers ? We are supposed to be in a new dispensation in the North of Ireland, but given that some, would prefer to build barriers rather than bridges I fear we are sliding back down into the abyss again.”

    Build the walls long and high enough that each side cannot get at each other with missiles. Then allow the friendships to flourish through cross community forums and children’s events. Walls will not stop that.

    As for separate buses, etc it is your community which wants to continue the apartheid schooling system in NI which is largely at fault for the ignorance, fear and mistrust instilled in the youths on both sides.

  • There are already cross community projects taking place and have been since I was a child 50 yrs ago they do not stop sectarianism, division creates sectarianism a two week stay at boot camp with the other side does little to allay that. Take the walls away, all of them asap I have no fear of my neighbours over the wall. As for your other comment Joe one word CLAPTRAP !

  • Joe Bloggs

    Give me one example of a peacewall being removed and community relations improving because of it.

  • I can’t as none have been removed ! That’s my point !

  • Tell me why there are no walls on the Ormeau Rd from Cromac st to Saintfield ? People live side by side and get on with it, I’m sure there are bigots living there too but they can’t let their bigotry manifest s theres no walls to hide behind !

  • Joe Bloggs

    So my proposal (build a peaceline across Bryson Street) has proven to be successful in stopping sectarian attacks at interfaces (Madrid Street amongst others).

    Your proposal to bring down all peacelines and people will live happily ever after (with little fluffy bunnies, rainbows and picnics every day) has never been proven to work.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    As for Cromac Street to Saintfield Road you might not be aware there are peace walls behind the UTV building protecting protestant homes from attack by Nationalist hoods from the Markets and Lower Ormeau. Take a drive and check them out.

  • I’ve no need to take a drive, never mentioned fluffy bunnies and don’t believe removing walls will create a utopia, but there’s walls all around the Short Strand yet it doesn’t stop Loyalist thugs attacking homes and residents there, so your idea of increasing them and building more has never been proven to work.

    Thanks for clearing that up too!

  • Joe Bloggs

    Where the walls have gone up the violence has decreased.

    Where there are no walls the violence has continued or increased.

    It’s not rocket science.

    BLOCK UP BRYSON STREET!!

  • Nonesense, walls at Bryson st still violence, walls at Clandeboye/Cluan place still violence, walls at Strand walk still violence ! Keep you apartheid the rest of us will move on.

    NO MORE WALLS !!

  • Joe Bloggs

    You must have missed where I said ‘Where the walls have gone up the violence has decreased’. I didn’t say it worked completely but it’s certainly better than what we have at present.

    Where is the wall at Bryson Street? It must be invisible because I was able to drive through it this afternoon….

  • You must be superman then, as the wall runs the whole length of Bryson St from Madrid St to the Newtonards Rd. I’m surprised you didn’t notice it given your fixation with walls !

  • Could this be the day the West Belfast battalion of the UVF apply for their share of the peace process pot of gold, whiterock parade alert !