Photos of this year’s Twelfth parade in Belfast…

All photos by John T Glover

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  • the rich get richer

    Are Gay people welcome ? Is it a multicultural event ? Is orange the only fruit ?

  • ted hagan

    They’d been thrown off the land. What were they to come home to? You’ve been watching too many TV holiday property programmes.

  • DOUG

    It’s photos of people enjoying themselves.
    If he wanted the most unflattering he could have took photos of people pissing against walls. Or throwing up. Or on their arses blocked. But he didn’t.

  • LighterSide…

    And many shades of Orange.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    In the 1690s Scotland and England were entirely separate political entities under one king (well, usurper, actually). London studiously avoided any entanglement in what was seen as a purely Scottish affair. The famine was something of a shock, after years of plenty under the Restoration, and averaged a 15% mortality rate across Scotland. The utterly unnecessary war with France occasioned by the Dutch coup in London in1688/9 seriously disrupted Scottish trade and ensured that the economy of Scotland was ill prepared to manage the harvest failures. Fletcher of Saltoun estimated that perhaps one-sixth of the population of Scotland had taken to the roads to beg for private or public charity. The old Parish Charity system was overwhelmed. Some came to Ireland, especially those with relatives. The outcome of this social meltdown would be exploited by Westminster and would lead to the 1707 Act of Union.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    John, all cultures are made up, its just some develop organically over time into shared and enriching cultures while others remain the raw expression of contingent political propaganda.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Thank goodness, nagantino, you have pointed out that these images are concocted by photoshop. I’d imagined they were something actually going on on the streets of Northern Ireland a few days ago, and were so effective in creating this impression I’d apparently developed a “false memory” of actually seeing such things. The anxiety occasioned by this misapprehension is now fully lifted by your importantly pointing out that these are not actual pictures of events and I now assume that the hard faced paramilitarism in some of the images must have been entirely faked by mendacious people intent on discrediting the LOI.

  • Zeno3

    At that level in Northern Ireland, it’s all about goading themmuns.
    The exact same thing also applies at the political level because it wins votes from those that like a good bit of eye poking.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Violet, Green and white where the suffragette colours from 1908, Granni. They symbolised “purity (white), hope (green) and dignity (purple).”

  • SeaanUiNeill

    The Orange Order itself has two degrees, like the early English forms of Freemasonry on which it is based, the initiatory first or “Orange Degree”, and another, the second or “Purple degree” to which the candidate is next raised. The Royal Arch Purple Chapter Degree is a new order within the LOI, which only those initiated into the first two degrees may apply to join.

    The “purple” refers to one of the curtains placed around the arc of the covenant from Biblical sources.

    Tony Buckley has a good explanation of some of this on his website:,-royal-arch-purple-and-black-institutions-and-their-degrees.html

  • Get The Grade Get The Grade

    Wow! Thanks very much for the info. Interesting stuff.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Glad to shed some light on this. I’m not a member of the LOI myself, so I have to go on what I know second hand.

  • nagantino

    Nay problemco mate.

  • Hugh Davison

    Irony, Ted? The Famine song?

  • Granni Trixie

    I obviously hadnt a clue on this one Seaan. The link has fascinating info. From anthropology I ought to have known there was more to colours than is usually assumed.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Like everything else, unless you’ve had to find out, we’re all coming from our memory impressions. People in film found out I had a “knack”for getting period design right, and I was consulted a lot, although the designers would still ignore my documents. I checked all of this out twenty years ago for one TV programme where Suffragette colours would appear, and was pleasantly surprised to discover such a striking combination.

    Years before I was asked, in the early 1970s, to advise on a Michael Collins film a Californian writer had going the rounds then. No, not Neil Jordan’s eventual biopic, an earlier and profoundly ahistorical piece. After having a lot of fun arguing that most of the poor would still be wearing clothes up to ten years out of date, to the horror of the prospective directors sense of glamour, I carefully drew up how a short back and sides would look, to his utter shock. “I can’t ask actors to do this!!!!” I’m so glad that we were not finally exposed to a version of the Irish War of Independence which would have featured waving hair Cavalier style…….

  • Paddy Reilly

    I would deny this. Many Protestants are happy to call themselves planters, and refer to Catholics as ‘the Irish’.

  • Reader

    Granni Trixie: So you’re saying “everybody welcome” and you could guarantee my safety?
    The odds look quite good, so long as you don’t get too drunk. At least you are less likely to get run over by a bus or car than on the 11th.