Tory cuts “here” and “Tory like” cuts in the Republic…

Fascinating interchange between Senator David Cullinane and Leo Varadkar talking about the first year of the coalition’s first year in government when the conversation suddenly segs into Sinn Fein’s record in government in Northern Ireland…

Adds: As John rightly says, I should have included a link to the whole thing… Starts at 40 minutes…

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  • Cullinane will get his wrists slapped for saying ‘ this country ‘ referring to the South… Opps. Simple challenge and he goes to pieces and lets slip SF partitionist apostasy..

  • John Ó Néill

    If you’d like to see the actual interview, the full programme can be viewed here and the shortened excerpt above ends about 40-41 minutes in and is followed by Senator Cullinan’s response.

  • Mick Fealty

    Fraid not John. As near as possible this was a single segment. With a strong presentation from the Senator and a strong rebuff from the Minister of State.

    What happens immediately after this clip is that Sean O’Rourke changes the subject and kicks the conversation off in the direction of Inkgate…

  • Republic of Connaught

    Northern Ireland doesn’t live in the real world where you have to earn your way in the world to pay for the lifestyle you want.

    The province is the Hyacinth Bucket of these Isles. Delusions of grandeur when in reality they haven’t a pot to p*ss in, until it’s sent over from England with the Secretary of state.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mick, Rodney Edwards/the News Letter have apparently tweeted that Tom Elliott is to resign. Worth a story ?

  • John Ó Néill

    Mick, it’s still only two minutes of an unlinked 20 minute interview that covered the referendum and other matters, not just the north. The central differences are the facility for raising taxes and to some extent, the uncushioned reality of austerity in the republic. Leo Varadkar may not be aware but students in the Republic pay a registration fee of E2k plus sundry charges, depending on their college – he seems to be unaware that there are fees, even if they don’t get called that. And stealth/indirect taxes are much heavier south of the border.
    There is also the delicate issue that there is this actually an all-party executive in the north which no-one has yet voluntarily stepped back from even though they don’t always like sharing the responsibility in public.

  • John Ó Néill

    CS – I saw that tweet a while ago. UTV have it.

  • Desperate card to play from Varadkar. Cowan and Martin already overplayed it in the run-up to the last election and we saw how that worked out. Next up, “economic illiterates”.

  • alan56

    Surely the Elliot resignation worth a thread? Or mabe not

  • Comrade Stalin

    Northern Ireland doesn’t live in the real world where you have to earn your way in the world to pay for the lifestyle you want.

    I suppose you’re having a referendum on dealing with the outcome of, er, people paying their own hard-earned for everything.

  • Republic of Connaught

    CS,

    Remind me how much you guys ever pay back for your annual bailouts?

  • analyser

    Sinn Fein wants to have its cake and eat it. It is acting as two parties. South of the border it opposes everything. So much so that many southerners now call it the Party of NO.
    It is opposed to the €100 household charge in the South. Yet it implements rates on houses policy in the North where some people may pay €1800 rates. Presumably it will now launch an anti rates campaign in the North in the interests of consistency.

    It has opposed all education cuts and health cuts in the South. North of the border it is helping to implement the very same cuts.
    It attacks the Southern government for not securing a better deal on the IMF/EU bailout. Yet Sinn Fein has FAILED to secure a better block grant for the North. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Sinn Fein is hamstrung in the North so is the southern government by the IMF/EU bailout, the budget deficit, and the banking mess all of which it has inherited by FF

    South of the border three or four Sinn Feiners represent the party on the airwaves and spout the usual populist economically illiterate clichés interspersed with quasi Marxist terminology. On a daily basis they demand more and more spending. Recently Joan Burton cut back the First Holy Communion grant from €220 to €100. (and from €300 in Dublin).. Quite frankly the money is not there to pay it any more. In the Dail Mary Lou McDonnell of Sinn Fein bitterly attacked the move. Sinn Feiners obviously think money grows on trees. That is just one example of the economic idiocy of Sinn Fein in the south. The remainder of the parliamentary party tends to avoid the media spotlight as many of TDs are shockingly poor media performers.
    Has anybody seen Gerry Adams recently? Where is Gerry?

    Sinn Fein as a party is engaged in a ruthless campaign in the south in its quest for power. It couldn’t care less about the state of the southern economy. In fact it fattens and gorges itself on economic bad news in its quest to gain power at any cost. It never gives credit for anything. It seeks to orchestrate resistance to essential reforms to safeguard the economy. It saturates political forums with keyboard warriors all on message with no room for any independent thought. Quite frankly the Chinese Politburo is only trotting after Sinn Fein.
    It is living up to its name as a party-Sinn Fein (We Ourselves). It is engaged in a selfish unpatriotic campaign to gain power at any cost. It is riding a populist bubble. Of course we all know what happens bubbles.
    Populist tomfoolery from Sinn Fein won’t put bread and butter on the table. Where Sinn Fein is concerned its out with patriotism but in with political expediency.

  • Mick Fealty

    RoC:

    I know it’s only banter but Northern Ireland is a fiscal union with the rest of the UK. The reason Martin’s early protests that this coming referendum should be on something substantial was clever positioning is that really that the question should be: “Should Ireland join a new Eurozone fiscal union?”

    As it is there is no one who is compelled by prior to transfer the funds needed in the short term. That’s one reason why SF in NI has no choice but to do what their bidden, and why O’Rourke’s analogy with the Troika is wrong.

    But you can see the appeal of the comparison.

  • Old Mortality

    ‘Recently Joan Burton cut back the First Holy Communion grant from €220 to €100. (and from €300 in Dublin)’ !!!!

    A Catholic welfare state for a Catholic people? It beggars belief.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Mick,

    Yes it was banter for those with an ounce on humour in them. But one can’t help but notice the psychology of the people in the north about those subsidies.

    Even if all of Ireland was still in the UK, do you think Irishmen in the south would we be blasé about getting the heaviest subsidy from London every year? Would we seek to do nothing about it besides put the hand out for more? Maybe if we had never known independence we would. Which is a scary thought.

    Partition has bred in the north’s people a profound entitlement culture which strips away any independent self worth. Maybe that’s the goal of UK Unionism – keep them comotosed with the free money and they’ll never dare to stand on their own two feet. Can you imagine if the north had to even pay the interest on that money if they were loans? Stormont would think the apocalypse had arrived.

    As for Tory Cuts in the South, Sinn Fein will always speak from both sides of their mouths. The problem is they have become the main opposition party and that’s dangerous because if FF remain a pariah party then Sinn Fein will mop up votes in the next election from people who don’t even like them, but like the government less.

  • Harry Flashman

    What Tory cuts? When do they start?

  • Greenflag

    @ Harry Flash ,

    ‘ What Tory cuts? When do they start?

    You’re behind the times HF

    There has been a significant increase in the number of students from Britain and Northern Ireland applying for third-level places in Ireland.

    Preliminary CAO data shows a 27% rise in the number of UK applications, bringing the total number applying here to almost 2,500.

    This sudden interest in studying in the Republic of Ireland coincides with a massive increase in fees across England and Wales. From September many universities there will charge the equivalent of more than €10,000, while tuition in Northern Ireland costs around €4,000.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0309/cao.html

    Why would tuition fees be €6,000 less in Northern Ireland than in the rest of the UK ? Does anyone know or care ?

  • RoC,

    Partition has bred in the north’s people a profound entitlement culture

    You’re right that there is an entitlement culture, but it wasn’t partition that created it. It was the economic collapse of the 70s that NI never recovered from, partly because of the Troubles, and partly because the UK government threw money at the problem in an attempt to fill the economic black hole. An understandable policy at the time, but one with lasting effects.

  • Greenflag

    AG ,

    ‘but it wasn’t partition that created it. It was the economic collapse of the 70s that NI never recovered from.’

    It was both . Partition entitled the protestants to jobs and the catholics to emigration which is why there was such a backlash when HMG changed the rules after the 1970’s and started ‘entitling’ many of the RC’s to jobs .

    There was also the introduction of major welfare reforms in the mid 1950’s in the UK which Northern Ireland’s ‘unionist ‘ leadership reluctantly accepted because there was no way they could ensure that their voters could get the benefits while denying the fenians . The barefaced hypocrisy of such a stance was of course in later times to explode in the face of NI unionism .

    As for the UK throwing money into a black hole ? Well the alternative would have been to throw thousands or tens of thousands of bodies as in human bodies into ‘graves ‘ brought about by even more civil strife . .
    The simple economic fact of life for the NI economy was and is and it’s now true of Britain and ROI is that the private sector was/is simply unable to create the number of jobs needed for these economies to attain full employment (i.e 5% unemployment ) apart from brief periods and then mainly in the SE of England -Home Counties /London region.

    The collapse of the NI economy in the 1970’s was primarily due to the collapse UK wide of those industrial sectors which became non competitive on world markets . The violence was a factor but in the main the decline was due to the economic policy line followed by Downing Street which also saw NE England and NW England and the Midlands lose industry after industry without any thing being built up to replace them .

  • weidm7

    Ridiculous Fine Gael idiocy, never engage in constructive debate with Sinn Féin, always just bring up the north or the troubles, makes them look pathetic, unfortunately, there’s enough West Brit scared-to-breathe middle class people in the south to buy into their bullshit. If Fine Gael have a problem with how SF are doing things in the north, why doesn’t the supposedly Irish nationalist party run up there? Instead of this lip service partitionist crap.

  • Barnshee

    “There was also the introduction of major welfare reforms in the mid 1950′s in the UK which Northern Ireland’s ‘unionist ‘ leadership reluctantly accepted because there was no way they could ensure that their voters could get the benefits while denying the fenians . ”
    The usual ill informed claptrap
    1947 is the start of the “welfare state”

    Withe average r/catholic family at 6.6 children and the prod at 2.2 -exactly who caused the pressure on jobs and resources?

    A stone age attitude to birth control north and south continues to create population levels which put pressure on resources In a country with almost zero natural resources (sorry peat, bad weather and a sea of golf courses don`t cut the mustard) Continued population growth leads to emigatation and worse.

  • Old Mortality

    ‘Withe average r/catholic family at 6.6 children and the prod at 2.2 -exactly who caused the pressure on jobs and resources?’

    Sssh Barnshee. Don’t you realise that this is the equivalent of the Blood Libel against the Jews, a total fabrication designed to inflame primitive anti-Irish prejudice and characterised by outrageous racist slurs like the term ‘Irish twins’.
    The truth is that the Irish have been the most progressive people in the world in matters of family planning. Unlike those feckless continental Europeans, they never paid a blind bit of notice to denunciations of birth control from Catholic pulpits.

  • Harry Flashman

    So that would be no actual Tory cuts then, public spending continues to rise under this particular British government as it always has done.

  • FuturePhysicist

    Sinn Fein wants to have its cake and eat it.

    Totally possible … they can have a flan in the face!