#FreedomWaves now en route to #Gaza.

For Update see below.

Two ships are currently in international waters on their way from Fethiye in Turkey to try and deliver medical aid to Gaza. The Palestine Chronicle reports that, on the Freedom Waves flotilla, there are twenty-seven activists from nine countries, including the US, Canada, Denmark, Belgium, Germany and Australia alongside Palestinians from Bethlehem and Haifa.

One of the two ships in the flotilla is the MV Saoirse, the Irish boat which was sabotaged en route to join an aid flotilla earlier this year. There was no pre-publicity for the Freedom Waves flotilla until a series of press launches today, including one in Dublin.

The MV Saoirse crew and passengers are: John Hearne, a Sinn Féin member of Waterford City Council and former President of the SIPTU Construction Branch; Pat Fitzgerald, a Sinn Féin member of Waterford County Council; Billy Smith from Waterford (also a member of Sinn Féin); John Mallon of the Belfast Friends of Palestine; the writer and historian Fintan Lane, national coordinator of Irish Ship to Gaza and a member of the Free Gaza Movement; Chris Andrews, a former Fianna Fail TD for Dublin South; Paul Murphy, Socialist Party and United Left Alliance MEP for Dublin; Hugh Lewis, a People Before Profit councillor on Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown County Council and member of the Irish Anti-War Movement; artist Felim Egan, a member of Aosdana; Mags O’Brien is a trade union official and member of the Labour Party; Gerard Barron from New Ross in Country Wexford, a member of the Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign; Zoe Lawlor from University of Limerick, a member of the national committee of the Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign; Philip McCullough, a journalist with the Belfast Media Group and member of the Glencree Peace and Reconciliation Organisation; and, Trevor Hogan who played rugby for Munster, Leinster and Ireland.

You can follow the progress of the Freedom Waves flotilla here. Based on their speed to date, arrival off the Gaza shore is not likely for another couple of days yet. The flotilla intends to land $30,000 worth of medical supplies to the 1.6m Gazans who live in the Strip and highlight the ongoing problems with the Israeli blockade.

The #Freedomwaves ships were boarded by the Israeli navy in the last hour (see RTE report here or click  that Freedomwaves link for the latest tweets). According to the last tagged location the ships were in international waters shortly before they were boarded raising questions over the legality of the Israeli’s actions.

Democracy Now have some footage from last night but there doesn’t appear to be any film of the boarding available yet.

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  • Jimmy Sands

    No-one’s arguing that the children are terrorists. The Israeli policy is one of collective punishment. If enough children are killed, sooner or later the rockets will stop. The fact that this has not worked does not discourage them. They will continue until it does. In order to prevent the rockets they are prepared to use any and all means short of peaceful negotiation.

  • galloglaigh

    If enough children are killed, sooner or later the rockets will stop

    Well sure that’s just brilliant. Why don’t the Israelis do what the Nazis tried to do to the Jews, and just wipe them out?

    Your views are somewhat sick my friend. You’re one sick individual Jimmy.

    Let me refer you back to John Ó Néill’s comment again, and you’ll see that over 1300 Palestinian children have been murdered since 1996. Compare that to the murder of just over 1000 Israeli citizens (men, women, and children).

    Sometimes the views on this site, are bordering on insane. Hitler wouldn’t have a look in when people like Jimmy Sands are about!

  • Decimus

    I think you deserve a Red Card for branding me a Jihadist. I hope the powers at be take note!

    Galloglaigh,

    I note that your comprehension skills have still not improved. Either that of course or you are yet again deliberately misrepresenting me. I trust that your attempts at censorship will be ignored.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Will you condemn the actions of Israel, were they kidnap, torture, and murder innocent men, women, and children (setting aside those who attack Israel)?

  • Decimus

    Galloglaigh,

    I certainly will. If you can produce impartial and trustworthy evidence that Israel is kidnapping, torturing and murdering innocent men women and children.

  • Jimmy Sands

    Galloglaigh,

    There’s really no way of responding to that without getting a card.

  • Jimmy Sands
  • Alias

    “Note that Mary Robinson, unlike yourself, states that the rockets are fired by Hamas, and not by every man, woman, and child in Gazza.”

    No objective observer has said otherwise. As you haven’t got a clue what you are squealing about, ‘Operation Cast Lead’ was limited to just two objectives:

    1. To destroy the ability of Hamas to launch rockets at Israeli civilians in the present.
    2. To reduce the ability of Hamas to launch rockets at Israeli civilians in the future.

    It took Israel 22 days to secure its objectives.

    The UN’s report on that operation has been universally rejected along with the resolution that sanctioned it, with even its own former High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson, condemming its utter bias:

    “I am afraid the resolution is not balanced because it focuses on what Israel did, without calling for an investigation on the launch of the rockets by Hamas. This is unfortunately a practice by the Council: adopting resolutions guided not by human rights but by politics. This is very regrettable.” – Mary Robinson, Le Temps, 4 February 2009.

    During the Gaza conflict, Hamas based positioned it terrorists and weapons in civilian areas and facilities, thereby deliberately exposing civilians to harm in contravention of The Law of Armed Conflict. The Secretary-General of the UN confirmed the use of children and other civilians as human shields by Hamas to protect their rocket launch sites and other military targets from attack. Hamas used hospitals, civilian vehicles and uniforms, Red Cross mbulances, e al, as cover for terrorist operations, in clear violation of the Law of Armed Conflict. Hamas made it impossible for Israel to avoid collateral damage to civilians in pursuit of legitimate military objectives during the operation. That was the specific policy of Hamas.

    The way for Gazans to avoid conflict with Israel would be to stop electing governments that launch rockets at Israeli civilians and stop supporting a terrorist group that uses them as cover for their attacks. Perhaps in Wonderland, launching 12,000 rockets at another state’s civilian population does not get a response from that state aimed at stopping the practice but not in the real world.

    “Are you suggesting that the entire population of Gazza, are guilty of rocket attacks against Israel?”

    Not unless they elected a government whose policy is to launch rockets on Israeli civilians with the intention of maiming and murdering them. Are you suggesting that a people who elect an active terrorist group don’t support terrorism? Thanks for the laugh…

  • Jimmy Sands

    So the IDF is only killing Hamas voters? Or at least those who would be if they attained adulthood?

    I’d heard of smart bombs but that is very impressive.

  • Decimus

    Jimmy,

    I only see one reference to the torture of children (a fifteen year old) and it is preceeded by the word ‘alleged’. He doesn’t appear to have been subsequently murdered.

  • Alias

    Anmesty is another discredited ‘rights’ group with an overt political agenda in relation to Israel.

  • galloglaigh

    Alias

    Alex Thompson exposed Operation Cast Lead’s war crimes. Regardless of the objectives, the outcome was the murder of innocent men, women, and children. How can anyone defend the actions of a State, whose actions are akin to that of Nazi Germany, or Saddam’s Iraq?

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Will you now condemn the actions of Israel, were they kidnap, torture, and murder innocent men, women, and children (setting aside those who attack Israel)?

  • Jimmy Sands

    Decimus,

    Decimus, it’s an example. As I understand it in Israel torture is expressly made legal. Why do you think that is?

    Alias,

    Of course it’s “discredited”. It says something you don’t like and you found an Israeli astroturf website I’d never previously heard of (and I suspect I’m not the only one) that supports you so it must be true.

  • Decimus

    Will you now condemn the actions of Israel, were they kidnap, torture, and murder innocent men, women, and children (setting aside those who attack Israel)?

    Galloglaigh,

    I’ve already told you that I will, but I’m still waiting for the unbiased, trustworthy evidence that they have done such a thing.

  • Decimus

    Jimmy,

    It’s not really much of an example if it is an unproven allegation.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    I have given it already. You are therefore, now refusing to condemn the murder of innocent men women and children. The evidence is there, and you have blind sided it. You continue to defend one of the most tyrannical nations of the World. It just shows you how low your morality scale goes, when it comes to the protection of human rights, and the protection of innocent men, women, and children in conflict zones.

  • Decimus

    How can anyone defend the actions of a State, whose actions are akin to that of Nazi Germany

    Galloglaigh,

    How can anyone take seriously anyone who comes out with deeply offensive crap like that?

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    You continue to defend a state, which disregards the human rights of civilians. Who kidnaps, tortures, and murders civilians. Jewish people across the globe, view the Israeli state apparatus, as being akin to the Nazis. I earlier posted a link to Sir Gerald Kaufman MP when he describes an Israeli state representative as being akin to Nazis.

  • Jimmy Sands

    Decimus,

    Well I’ve already pointed out that Israel permits its forces to use torture. No doubt you think that’s a purely academic provision. What would constitute proof in your mind? Would you require a signed confession, would you need to witness it yourself?

  • Decimus

    Galloglaigh,

    Are you actually aware at all of what the Nazis did?

  • Jimmy Sands

    Are you actually aware at all of what the Nazis did?

    Have you provided proof?

  • Decimus

    Jimmy,

    The specific allegation made was that Israel kidnaps, tortures and murders men, women and children. I haven’t seen any credible evidence to back up that claim. As it was made by someone who thinks that Israel is on a par with Nazi Germany and North Korea I am going to assume that it is more hysterical rubbish until someone can convince me otherwise.

  • Decimus

    Jimmy,

    There is irrefutable proof of what nazi Germany did.

  • Jimmy Sands

    Decimus,

    Nothing is irrefutable. You’ll always find someone to deny anything if they don’t wish to believe it. You wish to disbelieve things which Israel itself would not deny. It’s never kidnapped? Never tortured? Never murdered? Galloglaigh’s posts are extreme, but really no more extreme than yours.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Irrefutable proof has been presented, to show that Israel kidnaps, tortures, and murders innocent men, women and children.

    The Nazis were a bad lot, but so is the state of Israel. To deny it, is to defend a tyrannical state, who has no regard for the human rights of civilians.

  • Decimus

    Jimmy,

    Belsen is pretty irrefutable. I have not denied that Israel has done any of those things. I am replying specifically to the allegations made by Galloglaigh which remain distinctly unproven.

    Since this thread is deteroriating into bedwetting hysteria I shall now remove myself from it before the inevitable avalanche of cards arrives. I suspect that is what your Israel hating friend wants.

  • Jimmy Sands

    Decimus,

    He’s hardly my friend. He called me a nazi too. If you don’t deny any of these things then I must admit I fail to see what you’re arguing about at all.

  • galloglaigh

    I have not denied that Israel has done any of those things

    If you haven’t denied they happened, why can’t you condemn them?

  • galloglaigh

    Jimmy Sands

    I took your argument to mean that you agreed with the policy of murdering children. If I offended you, I apologise!

  • Decimus

    Okay one last post before I go.

    Has Israel murdered people? Yes it has specifically targetted and murdered enemies of the Israeli state.

    Has Israel tortured people. As above.

    Has Israel kidnapped people. As above.

    Has Israel kidnapped, tortured and murdered a child? Not to the best of my knowledge, and not according to any of the evidence that either of you have provided.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    I posted quite a few articles in my links. You’re either a very quick reader, or you haven’t read them. Within the links, is evidence of the kidnap, torture, and murder of innocent men, women, and children.

    Will you now condemn the actions of Israel, no ifs, ands, or buts, were they kidnap, torture, and murder innocent men, women, and children (setting aside those who attack Israel)?

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Yes it has specifically targetted and murdered enemies of the Israeli state

    And of course you can provide evidence for this argument?

  • Jimmy Sands

    Israel has targeted those sen as enemies, choosing to murder rather than capture them. This is objectionable in itself but compounded by the fact that the operations regularly result in the deaths of innocent bystanders, frequently children. This dovetails with the repulsive practice of collective punishment. Retribution will be taken deliberately not simply against the “enemy” but also innocent family members or even neighbours. The (let’s call it) thinking behind it is that it will deter further attacks. It has not done so yet of course but perhaps 60 years into the conflict it’s too early to tell.

    Torture was legalised by Israel in 1987. It has rowed back from that position since but has not entirely outlawed the practice. I’ve no idea if thee are specific provisions relating to children.

    If kidnapping refers to interment then children have not been immune from this. This of course is not to be confused with actually kidnappings such as that of Mordechai Vanunu.

    No it’s not North Korea. It’s not acceptable either.

  • Enough already.
    Too much “Yes,I did”, “No you didn’t”.

  • AGlassOfHine

    When Hamas stop firing the rockets,Israel will stop retaliating.

    Simple really.

    No need for anyone getting hysterical.

  • galloglaigh

    When Israel stops killing children, Hamas will stop firing the rockets.

    Is it really that simple? Or is one as bad as the other?

  • AGlassOfHine

    irish republicans jumping up and down,foaming at the mouth,positively tripping over themselves to label Israel as nazi’s………….you really think that helps ?

  • galloglaigh

    AGlassOfHine

    to label Israel as nazi’s

    I have previously posted a link from youtube, where a Jewish MP (whose grandmother was shot dead by the Nazis), in the House of Commons, describes the response of Tzipi Livni to the killing of 800 Palestinian civilians, as “… the reply of a Nazi”. Kaufman also states that Tzipi Livni’s father was the leader of a terrorist organisation “… who organised the blowing up of the King David hotel in Jerusalem, in which 91 victims were killed… Israel was born out of Jewish terrorism. Jewish terrorists hanged two British sergeants and booby trapped their corpses”.

    Is Kaufman an Irish republican?

  • lamhdearg

    Alias, What the latests,you seem to be hinting something, are the Zionist’s going to strike without their big mate’s Full backing, as it seems the u.s. has not got the stomach for what could follow.
    van, the,death of millions, is not what tickles me,nor the bullying we (the west) stand by and let our friends do, while we drop bombs on the peoples of the countrys we deem bad.

  • John Ó Néill

    Alias, lamhdearg,

    The current story appears to be around what the IAEA inspectors are reporting from Iran regarding the status of it’s nuclear programme and it’s potential for weapons development (rather than weapons development itself). The Tehran Times has a robust defence, whilst the NY Times is suspicious. The US does not want to get sucked into another large scale war in the area. And the “Israel wants to bomb Iran” story seems to come back every six months then goes away again. Even the Israeli’s could not believe that they could unilaterally bomb Iran. It would simply be geo-political suicide.

  • Alias

    I think it is very likely. Israel’s president (as recently as last Saturday) and Israel’s prime minister (as recently as yesterday) also agreed.

    In private, Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak are seeking cabinet support for a pre-emptive attack aimed at disabling Iran’s nuclear weapons capacity. In public, Netanyahu is using coded language to gain international support for the same end without stipulating the militant means. These are all very calculating individuals, not given to beating drums every ‘six months’ or so.

    Also, Israel’s military capacity is superior to that of Iran, so while Iran has a much larger population (and a larger army), the only ‘suicide’ would be on Iran’s side if it responded to Israel’s attack with an all-out war.

    What Netanyahu isn’t saying is that an attack will occur on Hezbollah, but given that Iran has paid to equip Hezbollah with missiles that are capable of reaching Israel and are to be used as part of a proxy war on Israel, it is hard to see how these will not be taken out simultaneously. The Second Lebanon War, aimed at disabling that proxy missile capacity, wasn’t a great success so Israel will most likely deploy tactical strikes next time around. As the longer range rockets are under the direct control of Syrian and Iranian miltary intelligence, that brings Syria into the equation in an unknown way.

    Officially, Israel doesn’t have a nuclear weapons capacity and it most definately doesn’t have a genetically-targetted biowar capacity either, so stability is of global importance here. What the region doesn’t need is Iran getting its hands on nuclear weapons and some Mad Mullah president wanting to die as a martyr but that is the situation as its now exists…

  • lamhdearg

    one wonders how the world would react, to the strait of Hormuz being closed, due to an attact on Iran by Israel.

  • lamhdearg

    sorry, “attack” , ohh well, it puts it back to the top!.

  • Alias

    Lamh, who cares? War brings short-term inconvienience. That’s the nature of it. Long-term strategic interests and national security are all that matters to Israel. The US and the UN have been trying to sweet-talk Iran for ages into giving up its nuclear weapons program while Iran has been insisting all of that time that it doesn’t have any nuclear weapons program to give up. So all that has occured is that Iran has bought some extra years to advance its nuclear weapons program by playing the UN for a bunch of muppets. That is what the latest report clearly shows. All that another decade of inaction will bring is a fully developed long-range missile capacity aimed as far as Western Europe. You can’t reason with the insane, so at some point you’re just going to have to disable them.

  • lamhdearg

    Alias, why can the west (and its pals) have the bomb,but the Others not, why are we/they so special, “Short-term inconvienience”, how long would the strait need to be closed off, for the world economy to go into free fall, and how much will we all thank the zionists in Israel for causing this, as for “insane”,pot calling pan. Iran will get the bomb, and the zionist will accept a two state solution, that the vast majority of the people of the region demand.

  • lamhdearg

    “The US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has said a military strike against Iran could have “unintended consequences”.
    He said it would only delay Iran’s nuclear efforts by three years at most.
    Correspondents say the comments appear to play down speculation that a military strike might be used to cripple Tehran’s nuclear programme”
    As the man said, “son your on your own”.

  • galloglaigh

    Folks

    Watch out for a false flag attack on Israel soon!

  • galloglaigh

    Or possibly on US soil or the US military… Again!

  • Alias

    Lamh, what were those immortal words words from Mandy Rice Davies?

  • lamhdearg

    Alias, why would he?. The only reason i can thing of, is if the U.S. are going to claim not to support an attack, but in truth they do, is this what you are hinting at?.(or is, well he would, directed at, my, your on your own,)

  • lamhdearg

    Alias, not my words, but my view.

    “To put it simply, an attack on Iran by Israel or the United States would embroil the Middle East in war, threaten the world’s oil supply and economy, likely unleash a massive missile attack by Hezbollah on Israel, jeopardise 100,000 US troops in the Middle East, solidify the Iranian regime’s waning support among the population, and still only delay the Iranian nuclear program by a few years.”
    And here is someone else’s view.

    “The State of Israel cannot be destroyed” by an Iranian attack, but an Israeli attack on Iran would produce turmoil “in the region for 100 years.”

    – Ephraim Halevy, former Mossad chief

  • Alias

    The reason “He would say that, wouldn’t he?” comes into play is that Obama was elected to the presidency on an appeasement ticket, opposing the war in Iraq and promising to “open dialogue” with Iran and to combine that sweet-talk strategy with “tough sanctions”:

    As he said in a 2008 presidential debate:

    SEN. OBAMA: I think it would be a profound mistake for us to initiate a war with Iran. But have no doubt, Iran possessing nuclear weapons will be a major threat to us —

    REP. KUCINICH: They do not — (off mike) —

    SEN. OBAMA: — and to the region. I understand that. But they’re in the process of developing it, and I don’t think that’s disputed by any experts. They are the largest state sponsor of terrorism, Hezbollah and Hamas.

    How has that ‘strategy’ worked out for him? Well, Iran is now mucher closer to developing a nuclear bomb than it was at the time he took office; and as Mitt Romney said last night, “If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon.”

    There are only three core options here: (1) Pretend that Iran can be talked out of developing a nuclear bomb; (2) Pretend that Iran developing a nuclear bomb is not a serious threat to humankind and global stability; (3) Intervene to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

    Other options such as pretending it is an exclusively Jewish problem; hoping Iran will develop a nuclear bomb and bomb Israel; talking about how awfully inconvienient it all is and won’t it all just go away if we ignore it, etc, are not core options.

  • Alias

    Incidentally, Ephraim Halevy has been making those statements for years. The difference is that this time he is citing the so-called ‘Arab Spring’ on which to base his prediction of 100 years of discontent. Odd then that the 100 years of discontent was foretold by him prior to the Arab Spring…

  • lamhdearg

    “as Mitt Romney said last night, “If we re-elect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon.”,

    and ron paul sais “it isn’t worthwhile to use military force against Iran.”

    and
    “I’m afraid what’s going on right now is similar to the war propaganda that went on against Iraq,” he said.

  • lamhdearg

    “Pretend that Iran developing a nuclear bomb is not a serious threat to humankind and global stability”
    Why? “pretend”, Its no more a threat than any other country.
    mutual destruction.

  • lamhdearg

    “Mahan Abedin, editor of Terrorism Monitor published by the Jamestown Foundation, says: “The assassination of Iran’s scientists and the introduction of the Stuxnet computer virus last year constitute state terrorism”

    “US intelligence is widely believed to have had a hand in developing the Stuxnet virus, while officials have previously accused Israel of being behind the assassinations.”

  • lamhdearg

    From, Al-Manar,
    The ‘Humanitarian’ Road to Damascus

    By Maidhc Ó Cathail

    November 12, 2011

    On November 8, the Foreign Policy Initiative and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies jointly issued a discussion paper that outlines “policy options for the United States and like-minded nations to further assist the anti-regime Syrian opposition.” Entitled “Towards a Post-Assad Syria,” the paper advocates imposing “crippling sanctions” on the Assad government, providing assistance to Syrian opposition groups, and imposing no-fly/no-go zones in Syria.

    Founded in 2009, the Foreign Policy Initiative is the successor organisation to the Project for the New American Century, a neoconservative advocacy group that relentlessly pushed for war with Iraq from its inception in 1997. FPI’s board of directors consists of PNAC co-founders, Robert Kagan and William Kristol; Dan Senor, a former intern at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee; and Eric Edelman, a Paul Wolfowitz protégé at the Pentagon who, thanks to support from Richard Perle, succeeded the scandal-ridden Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith in 2005. In a 2004 article entitled “Serving Two Flags,” Stephen Green named Wolfowitz, Perle and Feith as “the principals” in a pro-Israel neocon network who had “demonstrated, in their previous government service, a willingness to sacrifice U.S. national security interests for those of another country.”

    Established shortly after the 9/11 attacks to advocate for an aggressive “war on terror,” the Foundation for Defense of Democracies has also demonstrated a preeminent concern for Israel’s security interests. Among its more notable funders are Edgar M. Bronfman, president of the World Jewish Congress from 1979 to 2007; Charles Bronfman and Michael Steinhardt, co-founders of Taglit Birthright which offers free trips to Israel for young Jewish adults as an inducement to go on its pro-Israel indoctrination programme; media mogul Haim Saban, who pledged $13 million to the Brookings Institution in 2002 to found the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in order to influence U.S. politics in a pro-Israel direction; Jennifer Mizrahi, director of The Israel Project; and Dalck Feith, father of the aforementioned “security risk” Douglas Feith. “With the disclosure of its donor rolls,” Eli Clifton wrote in a July 19 report, “it becomes increasingly apparent that FDD’s advocacy of U.S. military intervention in the Middle East, its hawkish stance against Iran, and its defense of right-wing Israeli policy is consistent with its donors’ interests in ‘pro-Israel’ advocacy.”

    While Israel’s longstanding interest in destabilising Syria goes unmentioned, the FPI/FDD discussion paper stresses two of the groups’ well-worn themes: fighting terrorism and protecting human rights. “Long a sponsor of terrorism beyond its borders,” the paper asserts, “the Syrian government is now waging an internal war against its own people.”

    Acknowledging that the U.N. Security Council is “unlikely to act anytime soon” due to what they decry as “gridlock” imposed by Russia and China, the FPI and FDD take it upon themselves to propose what options they think the United States has for responding to “the Assad regime’s provocations.” Citing a paper by Michael O’Hanlon of the Brookings Institution, which suggests the “military options” of an air campaign, a maritime operation to enforce strong sanctions, a no-fly and no-go zone, and even an invasion to carry out regime change, they propose keeping those options “on the table” while exploring some additional “intermediate steps.”

    Critical of the Obama administration’s slow response to the Syrian crisis, the FPI/FDD paper urges the President and Congress to “work to quickly pass legislation for harsher U.S. sanctions on Syria.” As examples of relevant pending bills, the paper cites the Syria Sanctions Act of 2011, originally introduced by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand, Joe Lieberman and Mark Kirk; and the Syria Freedom Support Act, originally introduced by Representatives Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Eliot Engel. While few members of Congress can afford to cross the Israel lobby, it wouldn’t come as a surprise to lobby-watchers to hear that Gillibrand, Lieberman, Kirk, Ros-Lehtinen and Engel were the ones to “introduce” what was almost certainly AIPAC-crafted legislation.

    To bolster their case for no-fly and no-go zones in Syria, FPI and FDD point out that “leading lawmakers are now discussing the possibility.” Senator Joe Lieberman, they note, “first suggested looking at military options to protect Syrian civilians in March 2011, and returned to the idea of no-fly and no-go zones in October 2011.” They also refer to Senator John McCain’s October 23 speech before a World Economic Forum meeting in Jordan, when he ventured, “Now that military operations in Libya are ending, there will be renewed focus on what practical military operations might be considered to protect civilian lives in Syria.” As those familiar with the careers of Lieberman and McCain well know, they are certainly “leading lawmakers” when it comes to putting Israel’s interests ahead of America’s.

    If the “humanitarians” at the Foreign Policy Initiative and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies succeed in getting the Obama administration to adopt their “options” to assist the anti-regime Syrian opposition, Bill Kristol will soon be celebrating the sixth “war of Muslim liberation” that he and his pro-Israel cronies have induced the United States to wage — with little thought for all the “shed blood and expended treasure.” Unless the Syrian people want their country to be added to Kristol’s dubious roster of “the liberated” — Kuwait, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya — they had better make it loud and clear that they have no desire whatsoever for the kind of “assistance” offered by pro-Israel groups.

    Maidhc Ó Cathail is a political analyst and editor of The Passionate Attachment.

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  • Alias

    Yes, we know… it was the joooos and the neo-cons wat dun it. Here is a good article from Ó Cathail implicating the joooos in 9/11. Whoever said the rabidly demented can’t be highly articulate and even plausible?

  • lamhdearg

    Alias,3:01, honest ?, do you live on the other side of the world, or are you a vampire/insomniac.

  • lamhdearg

    Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, has empathised with Iran’s alleged quest for nuclear weapons during a US television interview.

    Barak’s suggested that, were he Iranian, he would “probably” seek the bomb,

    Barak was asked if he would “want a nuclear weapon” were he a member of Iran’s government.

    “Probably, probably.” was his reply.

  • lamhdearg2

    Interesting show available online, HARDtalk – Norman Finkelstein – Political scientist, from just this week.