“There was no provocation”

With sporadic violence reported in Ardoyne tonight, here’s an account of last night’s violence in Belfast during which 22 police officers were injured, an ambulance and a fire engine attacked, and a bus hijacked and driven at police lines.  From the BBC report

Community worker Robert McClenaghan, from the Falls Residents Association, said the violence was organised by nationalist youths.

More than 40 petrol bombs were thrown at police, who said crowds of about 150-200 people were involved in the violence at Broadway and about 200 in both the Oldpark and New Lodge areas of north Belfast.

Crowds of nationalists threw petrol bombs and masonry at police who fired 51 plastic bullets in the Broadway and Oldpark areas.

Mr McClenaghan said the violence was “nothing but thuggery”.

“There was no provocation. There was nothing from the Protestant, loyalist, unionist community. Broadway interface was quiet,” he said.

“What you had was 100 or 150 of these young people all tooled up and masks around their faces.

“They were armed with petrol bombs, they were armed with sticks and stones. They had wheelie bins with extra ammunition that they were pulling behind them.”

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  • Toastedpuffin

    Following the Siege of the Short Strand, was this the Siege of Broadway Roundabout?

    Truly the similarities between these sieges and the 1565 Siege of Malta are uncanny.

  • tacapall

    A loyalist bonfire yards away from a nationalist area is not provocation ! Especially when theres one just yards down the road in the grounds of the city hospital. Who then stole the plaques from the St James memorial garden that were returned after negotions between the UDA and Sinn Fein – No bonfires at interface areas like Broadway and there wont be riots a simple solution that in all likelyhood will be ignored and we’ll have the same problems next year.

  • Toastedpuffin

    In fairness tacapall, it is quite a few hundred yards from a nationalist area. Nevertheless, it seems a couple of hundred Republican youths are dead keen to see it. Must be flippin good.

  • Dearbhla

    They should have done everyone a favour and done something constructive like dismantling that eyesore called the balls on the falls!!!!

  • tacapall

    Toastedpuffin try telling that to the residents of Broadway who suffer every year with one house being attacked regularly including a nail bomb being thrown through their living room window last july 12th by loyalists, all in full view of the PSNI.

  • pippakin

    It must have been a frightening thing to be close to, even if the rioters were all local and took care not to harm their own (as if) these outbursts are always uncannily alike. Tooled up thugs managing to get to a rendezvous with no one noticing the masks or the weaponry.

    Wheelie bins full of weaponry? The mind boggles…

  • tacapall

    Pippakin what weaponry are you talking about ? The mind boggles !

  • lamhdearg

    well done Mr McClenaghan, only sammy wilson came close in condemming loyalist riots. we need more like it.

  • Mick Fealty

    Tac,

    That interface was soft before 69, with a lot of mixed marriages between Rodney Parade and the Village. That’s not the case any more.

    Given there’s been a lot of fulsome criticism from Jennifer McCann and others, this is a simple case of nationalist youth on the rampage…

  • pippakin

    tacapall

    See Pete Bakers post paying particular attention to the reference to wheelie bins full of extra ammunition.

  • dwatch

    “Given there’s been a lot of fulsome criticism from Jennifer McCann and others, this is a simple case of nationalist youth on the rampage…”

    Maybe the nationalist youth are jealous because the loyalists received an apology from the PSNI for rioting in the Short Strand recently they also want an apology for rioting in Ardoyne.

  • JR

    It refreshing and hopeful to hear a clear unambiguous condemnation. We need to all take a leaf from his book.

  • tacapall

    Mick I witnessed the events for myself just like last year but still cant understand why those same members of Sinn fein choose to point the finger at the non existant IBA for causing the trouble last year while ignoring the fact that loyalists attacked houses on Broadway and threw a nail bomb through a residents window, the same house that is regularly attacked but is never covered by the media, well not publicised untill after a certain Sinn fein councillor was not elected. This is a regular event every year Mick, its tradition now, the question that has to be asked is why do the nationalist youth hate Sinn fein and the PSNI maybe its all the beatings they got from those Sinn fein wannabe policemen.

    Yes Pippakin all from the same Sinn Fein that you regularly condemn so are they OK with you now ?

  • dwatch

    Correction: Maybe the nationalist youth are jealous because the loyalists received an apology from the PSNI for rioting in Ballyclare recently they also want an apology for rioting in Ardoyne.

  • Toastedpuffin

    “Maybe the nationalist youth are jealous because the loyalists received an apology from the PSNI for rioting in Ballyclare recently they also want an apology for rioting in Ardoyne.”

    Maybe last year’s (and indeed earlier this year’s) Nationalist youth are psychic. Not to mention those of all the previous years. You’d think they’d be earning a bob or two with that ability instead of hijacking and stuff.

  • If it’s ok to add fluoride to public water supplies, what about adding a testosterone reducing chemical during the marching/rioting season?

  • Brian

    This place seems like a real nice play to live. Reasonable people, friendly neighbors, all sort of recreational activity available.

  • sdelaneys

    No so many years ago the very same sort of youths were rioting at S.F’s request.

  • galloglaigh

    “…youths were rioting at S.F’s request.”

    No so many years ago the very same sort of youths from the loyalist community were rioting at the DUP/UUP’s request.

    We’re so alike aren’t we!

  • eddie poole

    ‘If it’s ok to add fluoride to public water supplies, what about adding a testosterone reducing chemical during the marching/rioting season’

    What’s in your water, J

  • ranger1640

    Breaking news: I’m just back from the scene.

    Republicans rioters attempted to break through the peace line to attack the peaceful Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist residents in Glenbryn Park and Alliance Crescent.

    I counted 23 PSNI land-rovers full of officers in riot gear attend the scene to repel the incursion. Harrowing scenes of fear and trepidation in the faces of the young and elderly Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist residents of Glenbryn Park and Alliance Cresent.

  • sdelaneys

    galloglaigh, yes we are, we all have hypocrites claiming to speak for us.

  • pippakin

    galloglaigh

    ” No so many years ago the very same sort of youths from the loyalist community were rioting at the DUP/UUP’s request.

    We’re so alike aren’t we! ”

    Yep!!

  • ayeYerMa

    Unfortunately much of the incompetent media will report this in a way that implies that it is provocation, thereby giving these rioters exactly what they want, thus continuing the vicious circle.

    I can understand the international media being ignorant. However, rags like The Guardian who should know better are particularly atrocious when it comes to making headlines which link violence directly to parades.

  • ranger1640

    Where is MP when you need him???

  • ranger1640

    There has also been an outbreak of violence in Londonderry. There have been reports that petrol bombs were thrown at a police landrover in the city.

    The PSNI has advised motorists to avoid Free Derry Corner and Fahan Street because of the public disorder.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14128807

  • iluvni

    I suppose the First Minister is in Florida again?

  • ranger1640
  • grandimarkey

    Ranger1640:
    “Republicans rioters attempted to break through the peace line”

    Do you consider them to be Republican or more specifically Dissident Republican?

  • SK

    “peaceful Protestant/Unionist/Loyalist residents in Glenbryn Park”

    Peaceful unless you’re a nine year old schoolgirl.

  • keano10

    Loyalists including bandsmen in uniforms attacking Catholic homes on Mountpottinger Road in The Short Strand

  • eddie poole

    OrangeFest! Don’t ya just love it! The locals love tourists coming from all around the world to join in-unless you’re a Pole or a Slovak in which case, mind your windows while we burn your flags on our cultural bonfires…

  • galloglaigh

    Loyalist rioters broke through the peace line to attack the peaceful Catholic/nationalist/republican residents of the Short Strand recently.

    Harrowing scenes of fear and trepidation were seen in the faces of the young and elderly Catholic/nationalist/republican residents of the Short Strand.

    The only difference is, that nationalist/republican politicians call it as it is: Thugs who are stirring things up to ignite a situation. Unionist/loyalist politicians blame everyone but the perpetrators; the UVF and loyalist ‘paramilitaries’. Everyone being the defenceless residents who are being attacked because of their religion.

    What’s the craic with the attacks on foreign nationals? That’s pure and simple racism and bigotry!

  • Toastedpuffin

    “Peaceful unless you’re a nine year old schoolgirl”

    I don’t think Protestants have cornered the market on child abuse, do you?

  • SK

    “OrangeFest! Don’t ya just love it! The locals love tourists coming from all around the world to join in-unless you’re a Pole or a Slovak in which case, mind your windows while we burn your flags on our cultural bonfires…”

    _

    The South Bank Show must be banging their door down.

  • ranger1640

    Sorry SK I didn’t take the time to as the inquire if they were mainstream republicans or any other flavor.

    And I’m sure there were nine year children there, again I did not ask any one their age???

    I left as soon as the PSNI had gained control.

  • galloglaigh

    Very good point SK.

  • Toastedpuffin

    “The “peaceful Glenbryn residents” took to it like a duck to water though”

    What, all of them? Those Huns must be a bad lot. Not like the good Catholics, eh? So…… I suppose that must mean it’s OK to try and burn Protestants out of their homes, every one of them being so bad and all……

  • ranger1640

    Tut Tut SK lets keep on the subject.

  • SK

    “What, all of them? Those Huns must be a bad lot. Not like the good Catholics, eh? So…… I suppose that must mean it’s OK to try and burn Protestants out of their homes, every one of them being so bad and all……”

    _

    Happy twelfth!

  • sdelaneys

    Just heard on the BBC ten o clock TV news that SF are now saying thaty had the Orange Order talked to them the violence could have been prevented. Now that is a very unsubtle move away from ‘thuggery’ and close to rationalising the rioting. What’s that about, I wonder?

  • Toastedpuffin

    SK, your metaphorical wee pants are round your dainty little ankles son. Result for someone, I’m sure.

  • SK

    “Just heard on the BBC ten o clock TV news that SF are now saying thaty had the Orange Order talked to them the violence could have been prevented. Now that is a very unsubtle move away from ‘thuggery’ and close to rationalising the rioting. What’s that about, I wonder?”

    _

    They would do themselves a much greater service by simply condemning the violence

  • galloglaigh

    Ranger1640, the point SK made about the Holy Cross sectarian protest, is valid and is on topic. This might well be the aftershock from then.

    I find it quite amusing, that all the people who defended the UVF a few weeks ago, are now speaking out against nationalists attacking Protestants. It’s very hypocritical. We should all be disagreeing with it all.

    That is the only way our people can move forward, and achieve peace.

  • bumper14

    I wonder how many of these hate filled Republican thugs have been arrested?-probably none if past records on PSNI indifference to Nationalist louts are anything to by.

  • SK

    “I find it quite amusing, that all the people who defended the UVF a few weeks ago, are now speaking out against nationalists attacking Protestants.”

    I think the candor of the nationalist community workers who have called a spade a spade tonight is to praised. It contrasts starkly with the mealy-mouthed obfuscation we saw from unionist quarters recently.

    The nationalist rioting is wrong and should be condemned.

  • galloglaigh

    bumper14, and how many loyalists were arrested during the UVF pogrom on the Short Strand recently?

  • Toastedpuffin

    “That is the only way our people can move forward, and achieve peace”

    What, by claiming that sectarian attacks on Protestants are because of a protest 9 years ago? Good luck with that.

  • Brian

    Before Rory, without these types of things no one would even know Northern Ireland existed.

  • galloglaigh

    There won’t be much luck with people of your opinion about. Both sides inflict upon the other; end of debate!

  • keano10

    Albertbridge Road now blocked City Bound as large numbers of loyalists assemble close to Short Strand. Any chance of getting those water cannons over from Ardoyne to get rid of these scumvags?

  • Toastedpuffin

    keano10, the republicans appear to have slashed the watercannon vehicle tires. Besides, they’ll have to join the queue behind Derry, Newry, Dunclug, Belfast city centre and Armagh.

    Greater Ardoyne just keeps on growin’

  • bumper14

    SK, You heard and wonder what it is about that SinnFein stated ,that had the Orange Order talked to them ,then the violence could have been avoided.
    I think that proves that SinnFein can turn the violence on and off whenever they want and they have just admitted to that very fact.

  • SK

    “I think that proves that SinnFein can turn the violence on and off whenever they want and they have just admitted to that very fact.”

    _

    And I think that unionism’s near-pathological obsession with SF is ridiculous. Recreational rioting is as traditional as the marches themselves.

  • keano10

    Toasted,

    Your personal bigotry is not as well concealed as you would dearly like it to be. You are a lot more transparent than you think…

  • DC

    Moody’s the rating agency has given Ardoyne’s rioting junk status.

  • bumper14

    The Belfast Telegraph has reported that Nationalist mobs have also turned their venom on fire crews and an ambulance. Maybe it was because the flashing beacon is orange.

  • keano10

    Parades Commission Determination on not playing sectarian tunes past St Matthews Chapel was flouted by almost single band in The East Belfast Parade on both the morning and evening marches. All videotaped and recorded but what will this toothless Commission do?

  • keano10

    Erm. Yellow card for what exactly?

  • galloglaigh

    bumper14, you’d nearly think, by reading your posts, that only nationalists riot. Loyalist bands men are attacking the Short Strand again. One’s as bad as the other. Why do you only post regarding nationalists?

  • Into the west

    funny DC, I just read moody’s too .. bad news 🙁

  • bumper14

    Galloglaigh. There should have been more arrests of Republicans after the pogrom by the Shortstrand residents on Unionist homes on the lower Newtownards Road.
    Have the PSNI apprehended the thugs who shot two Protestant kids and a journalist? Answer – no! and I would suggest it is because it would have revealed that the gunmen were Provos.

  • galloglaigh

    I like that. Two Protestant kids!

    You’re good with words!

    For a start, the two ‘kids’ were attacking Catholic homes. They weren’t there for the bouncy castle in fairness. That does not excuse the fact that they were shot at. That was deplorable. The attack on the journalist was also deplorable. One thing you forgot though: The UVF fired shots at the PSNI. It’s not all about republicans. Like I’ve said, one’s as bad as the other.

    It’s all wrong. Why can’t you see that?

    Seriously hi!

  • Comrade Stalin

    There is a lot of rubbish being talked here and being passed off as fact.

    Firstly the idea that Sinn Féin “policemen” are not respected by the community anymore. We are a couple of months away from an election where SF received full endorsement. I would go on to point out that Sinn Féin have said that the rioting around Broadway and elsewhere is the work of thugs and anti-social elements combined with dissidents exploiting a bad situation. Martin McGuinness visited Ardoyne yesterday and made it very clear that the community there did not want the violence. Given the election results there can be little doubt that he was speaking for most of the residents on the nationalist side of that interface when he said this.

    Gerry Kelly pointed out something that I have seen myself, with my own eyes. He said that the characters rioting last night were the same ones who could be found terrorizing the community all year round. There are neighbourhoods near me where this kind of thing happens all year round. Usually it is bored youths trying to stir up a bit of excitement. Usually they are not old or clever enough to realize exactly what they are doing. Sometimes they do realize what they are doing and they simply don’t care, which unfortunately means they basically need to be taken out of circulation quickly (a job for the police/courts). But none of this mean that the community endorse what they are doing.

    Secondly, it was a mistake for SF to say that the rioting would stop if the OO talked to residents – if they did indeed say that. It is an inevitable outcome of any negotiations that some Orange marching would be agreed to by residents in most cases – therefore riots like this are likely to recur again. Either way, I think it is true that everyone – all the parties, the residents, and the marching bodies – have to be part of the solution even if we are accept that they are not part of the problem. The OO need to talk for that reason and that reason alone, not because there is a threat hanging over them.

    It is clear that we need a strategy at Executive level for dealing with this whole area of parades, as well as how the police and courts are to deal with rioting. I am sure that everyone agrees that the police response to this trouble is not working. It is merely containing the violence, it is not stopping it in the long term, and that is because the rioters are not being sufficiently dissuaded.

  • Mark McGregor

    At any point will we get ‘Robert McClenaghan’ described as what he is? A longterm salaried SF activist.

  • Toastedpuffin

    “He said that the characters rioting last night were the same ones who could be found terrorizing the community all year round.”

    I’ve no doubt that’s true in a lot of cases, but surely trying to pass it off as the whole story renders the claim suspect? When one looks at the demographic of last year’s crop of rioters, the above tends to look somewhat wanting as an explanation.

  • keano10

    So what if he’s a Sinn Fein activist Mark? What is your point exactly? Does being in SF devalue his statement? Is he wrong?

  • bumper14

    Galloglaigh, the two Protestant children shot, by probably the IRA, were outside the Shortstrand in fact a good distance away, so how were they attacking it?
    Shots fired by the UVF or perhaps dissident Loyalists at the PSNI I condemn resolutely.
    The thing is that the UVF have no MLA ‘s but the IRA do.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I’ve no doubt that’s true in a lot of cases, but surely trying to pass it off as the whole story renders the claim suspect? When one looks at the demographic of last year’s crop of rioters, the above tends to look somewhat wanting as an explanation.

    What do you mean, the demographic of last year’s rioters ? Looks pretty much the same this year to me.

    The fundamental point is that the community do not want and do not support the rioters – the community are victims of those rioters. A small group of people who have some degree of support, but no significant support, are egging this thing on. The elected representatives of the community are facing it down.

    Part of the point here was to contrast the slightly more responsible line coming from SF, with the line coming from the unionist parties that the loyalists who rioted earlier in the week were doing so legitimately and were reflecting anger in the community, and that the blame for the riots lay elsewhere. I have very little time for the whole notion of provocation as a justification for rioting, it undermines the rule of law.

  • Comrade Stalin

    bumper14:

    The thing is that the UVF have no MLA ‘s but the IRA do.

    Of course the UVF have MLAs. Who do you think they all voted for ?

  • lamhdearg

    Comrade.
    “Of course the UVF have MLAs. Who do you think they all voted for ?”. the pup.

  • Mark

    Lamhdearg ,

    Howya , I was going to ask last night but I didn’t want you thinking I was looking for an agrument . When you mentioned that the kid’s bonfires had nearly finished ….I was wondering about the kiddies bonfires and whether or not there were any flags etc on the top of their bonfires .

    Lamhdearg , I”m asking you because I know you’ll give me an honest answer … Mark

  • galloglaigh

    Comrade Stalin beat me too it. Come on now that is such a crass statement to make. There is no evidence what-so-ever, to suggest that Sinn Fein have control, never mind access, to these so-called dissidents. You know that too, and it obviously eats you up.

    Those ‘children’ you talk of: Their parents need a good talking to. As do the parents of all the hoods, Catholic and Protestant. It is up to our politicians to deal with this. In fairness to Sinn Fein, they say it as it is. The DUP tell it the way the voters like to hear it. That is the reality of the situation, and we all know it.

  • lamhdearg

    no flags on kids bonfire, not the one i was at anyway.

  • Mark

    Thanks lamhdearg …

  • Toastedpuffin

    “What do you mean, the demographic of last year’s rioters ? Looks pretty much the same this year to me. ”

    What, not ANOTHER Spanish student?!?

  • Mark McGregor

    No offense guys but ‘lamhdearg’ being constantly available during the 11th night and most of the 12th should set your alarm bells ringing : Proper orangies just don’t have the time. Sock puppet?

  • sparrow

    @Comrade Stalin

    Secondly, it was a mistake for SF to say that the rioting would stop if the OO talked to residents – if they did indeed say that. It is an inevitable outcome of any negotiations that some Orange marching would be agreed to by residents in most cases – therefore riots like this are likely to recur again.

    Frankly I don’t think this even has anything much to do with Ardoyne. If the Ardoyne parade was banned they’d just move on to the next location. If that was banned then the next location and so on. What we’ve got here is not a local protest against a parade but rather an Irish nationalist version of the EDL brought to us through the magic of the invention of Mark Zuckerberg. Thinking that solving the Ardoyne issue would stop their annual twelfth hootenanny is about as naive as thinking that someone backing down on building the new mosque at the location of the last EDL march would stop the next EDL march.

    What we’ve got here are mindless idiots bred on a diet of nationalist mopery that paints Protestants and the British in just as unrealistic a light as the Daily Mail paints Muslims. That’s the problem. They’re somewhat a monster of Sinn Fein’s creation, in the sense that Sinn Fein have spent decades spreading lies about the past, about the present, and even about the future (e.g. united Ireland by 2016), but they do not answer to Sinn Fein and Sinn Fein cannot turn then on or off.

  • Alias

    The ‘Falls Residents Association’ should be careful that it isn’t seen as a PSF muppet group:

    http://www.westbelfastsinnfein.com/news/14222

  • Dewi

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14128807
    On the BBC video, right at the end, a lad is firing a sort of flame thrower thing. What is it?

  • carnmoney.guy

    Its that morning after the night before folks

    We are lucky, property damaged, but no one killed, but, excuse the pun, we are playing with fire, someone’s gonna get killed, police, rioter or journo? Then the real hand wringing will begin. What the hell is wrong with our society that makes it so acceptable to riot.

    The stance of politicians is a joke, will the DUP have GARC up at Stormont for tea, listening to their tales of woe? Will the police be apologising for blocking a parade and hemming people in?

  • Dewi

    Strange – the BBC have chaged the video I linked above.

  • separatesix

    I can’t see the point in the loyal orders engaging with residents groups, as the nationalist residents want the feeder parade to stop, so how will talking help?
    So much for a shared future and shared space the “cornerstone” of the so-called agreement.
    I feel sorry for the nationalists rioters, what else do they have to look forward this summer? well apart from a lousy trip to the Gaeltacht.

  • pippakin

    There is nothing wrong with the Gaeltacht!

    Provocation takes many shapes and forms, sometimes its the memory of deliberately inflicted pain that can be the hardest to ignore let alone forgive. Individuals can be as angry and vengeful as they like but loyalists and nationalist communities are not allowed that luxury there has to be an accommodation or there can be no real moving forward.

  • carnmoney.guy

    What esle do they have to look forward to……………….probably good gcse results after doing a bit of studying in june, rather than collecting for the bonie

  • UlsterScotty

    What we really have to look forward to is a year until the next Twelfth. As a seasoned observer of what we now refer to as “OrangeFest”, the air goes out of the balloon after the big day. Of course there’s a few curtain calls but the main performance is over for 2011.
    Among the questions remaining are whether this is a religious festival or a folk festival? A celebration of culture or a triumphalist coat trailing exercise.
    Let’s look to our brethren in Scotland for potential solutions. I doubt very much whether the Strathclyde polis will ever be accepting the Sash as a hymn tune. The rerouting and cancellation of parades and general vilification of Orangeism in Scotia offers a poor prognosis for the Order should our own elected reps try this at home.
    A general point should be borne in mind; part of the problem with politics in Northern Ireland is the apparent absence of the concept of political change. Trimble and Mallon (and later Durkan) were apparently untroubled that there would ever be another administration other than their own. Hence the annexation of so many powers to the OFM/DFM. Who knew Paisley, Robinson and McGuinness would ever get the keys to the sweetie shop?
    Peter and Marty may yet get their marching orders over the marching orders.

  • tacapall

    Comrade Stalin

    “I would go on to point out that Sinn Féin have said that the rioting around Broadway and elsewhere is the work of thugs and anti-social elements combined with dissidents exploiting a bad situation”.

    Who is the Sinn Fein councillor for that area ? I believe she was rejected at the last council elections, as for the finger pointing as to who were to blame well we heard that last year too and as events unfolded that turned out to be a complete fabrication.

  • lamhdearg

    mark, sock puppet, this is no hand up my ****.

  • ranger1640

    SK Quote: Recreational rioting is as traditional as the marches themselves.

    So there we have it from a republican poster on this forum.

    The riots as we all knew, at Ardoyne have nothing to do with the Orange Order. Its is republicans indulging in as he describes it “recreational rioting”! Republicans have now set up the strange tradition of reeking havoc in republican areas namely the republican parts of Ardoyne and Broadway and inconveniencing the rest of society.

    Could SK give us an insight into the thought republican political thought process.

    As Stated by SK, there is on republican political aspect to this republican rioting. Does he anticipate republican parties ether mainstream or not use the riots for their own political gain or attempt to use the rioting to influence Quangos???

  • ranger1640

    Dissident republicans are being blamed for trouble in Londonderry on the Twelfth of July, which saw 12 people arrested.

    Young children, some as young as ten, are believed to have been involved in violence that saw police attacked with petrol bombs and missiles.

    Sinn Fein Foyle MLA Martina Anderson said the violence was “orchestrated” and described it as “an orgy of destruction”.

    “Let’s be clear the vandalism and wanton destruction in the Bogside last night was just that,” she said.

    “They are vandals pure and simple, they are an embarrassment to the nationalist people, there is no political motivation for these activities.

    http://www.u.tv/News/Derry-trouble-was-orchestrated/347c3137-3592-44c1-a09c-705b82e05c50

    Can I ask the question? You know the way the dogs in the street know who these people are, can Martina Anderson give their names to the PSNI and we can have them removed form the streets.

    Here is a link to give Martina a head start.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/brotherinlaw-of-martin-mcguinness-is-charged-over-dissident-rally-16010339.html
    A brother-in-law of Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has been charged with two terrorist offences after a dissident republican Easter commemoration.

    Marvin Canning (49) was arrested for the offences on Tuesday and interviewed on three occasions by police officers.

    The officer said members of a police helicopter crew video-recorded the event and the defendant could be seen opening the rear doors of a van from which the colour party exited.

    The police witness objected to the defendant being released on bail. He said police evidence in relation to the identity of the masked man who issued the threat was still outstanding.

  • grandimarkey

    Ranger1640:
    “Does he anticipate republican parties ether mainstream or not use the riots for their own political gain or attempt to use the rioting to influence Quangos???”

    Do you?

  • ranger1640

    Grandimarkey, do I think republican parties ether mainstream or not use the riots for their own political gain or attempt to use the rioting to influence Quangos???

    Yes!!!

    The alleged community group called The Greater Ardoyne Residents Collective, are and the RNU.

  • Brian

    1. Good to see SF reps ripping these people for what they are (an embarassment to nationalists) and stating their riots have no political motivations.

    2. Does anyone know how these things get organized? Do the local teenagers just spread the word to get ready for the 12th and bring your hoodies? Is there a hardcore of reckless youth who start the riot and others take part?

    The loyalist riot last week seems to have been orchestrated by the UVF and the Beast from the East (whomever that is), but I wonder how this one takes shape. Does anyone know?

  • tacapall

    Sure Brian. First you need a loyalist bonfire complete with tricolours and GAA tops , must be near an interface area that must be seen by the other side where a few hundred yards separate both divides, then obviously you need drunken drug fuelled teenagers, lots of PSNI including jeeps to ensure freedom of access to the other side is denied and there ya go, no need for anyone else to egg on as it happens every year, long before dissidents were formed, its traditional now just like the bonfires.

  • Alias

    Good summation, Taca. But the latest spin seems to be that the protestors have no external political or social cause for their anger, mainly because the Shinners and the DUP have engineered Nirvana and such sontentious matters no longer exist. At any rate, that is the impression that Shinner front groups such as the ‘Falls Residents Association’ and shinner hacks masquerading as ‘Community Workers’ are very keen to create.

  • SK

    “SK Quote: Recreational rioting is as traditional as the marches themselves.

    So there we have it from a republican poster on this forum.”

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    Is that what I am?

    To be honest, I don’t have any trouble with Orangemen celebrating their culture- at least not in principle. I just wish they weren’t such pr*cks about it.

  • tacapall

    Yes Alias this Utopia where the peace dividends to Nationalist areas are shared by the choosen few and they want to keep it that way, I can hear the “more funding call” for community groups who really dont give a fk about those type of kids, ya know those who have never had a job left school with next to no education, alcholic fathers or mothers no parents at all or who have serious emotional and mental issues, we forget those children were victims of the conflict, fathers were never there because they were serving time, those kids who follow with admiration those tales of woe and bravado from spoofers and those unfortunate former comrades who through bad times have became alcholics. This is West Belfast and I would imagine other Nationalist area’s.