Ardoyne erupts in fresh riots (‘and not an Orangeman to be seen’)

According to the Twitter feed of Conor Humphries

Latest: It seems to be quieting down again

Erm, maybe not:

Crowd seems to have be actively targeting the Cops rather than the Orange Marchers….

You can follow events on our live Blog….

  • Toastedpuffin

    Ah but, Gerry Kelly has kindly provided a reason for the anguish of the people of Greater Ardoyne (which includes Woodvale, all of the Crumlin Road, Liverpool, and Barcelona)

    From UTV:

    Mr Kelly said Orangemen broke the Parades Commission’s determination “on a number of counts” in Ardoyne on Tuesday morning

    Ya see.

  • lover not a fighter

    When Monkey see other Monkey riot then Monkey try riot too !

    Monkeys that think that they are very different prove the opposite.

    When the Monkeys all riot together then we will be making progress ! ! !

  • Toastedpuffin

    Re the suggestion that rioters seized cameras from journalists – are Republican factions deliberately targeting journalists following last year’s rioting where photos were used to ID rioters? The journos at Short Strand certainly felt they had been singled out by an RIRA gunman.

  • lamhdearg

    bbc now running video of ardoyne “riot” check out the onlookers, taking pics on their phone’s as keepsake’s, check out the (bright) rioters with no masks on, its all a good laugh to these people. i have said it before i will say it again, put dye in the watercannon.

  • lamhdearg

    bbc also reporting trouble in short strand (east belfast).

  • Orange dye on the “republican” rioters and Green dye on the “loyalist” ones. The potential embarrassment might deter some.

  • Toastedpuffin

    A few reports of violence in Derry. I’ll have to update my map to reflect the rapidly changing boundaries of “Greater Ardoyne”.

  • Toastedpuffin

    Map update: Greater Ardoyne now includes Armagh and Newry.

  • Jack2

    Had to laugh at the people protesting in Ardoyne at 9am this morning.
    First time they’ve seen 9am since the last twelth.

  • galloglaigh

    Jack2, and of course that goes for the ‘Blue Bag Brigade’ and some Loyal Brethren at today’s BigotFest. Generalising people into one bracket, is no way to address a problem. Of course you know all the protesters and their daily habits!

  • Toastedpuffin

    galloglaigh, why criticise someone for generalising from a position of ignorance when you’ve done exactly the same thing in the same post?

  • galloglaigh

    That was the whole point of my post. To show that we all have the same problems in our communities. If we all stopped attacking each other, and worked together for all our benefit, we would have no problems.

    Surely you would agree with that?

  • galloglaigh

    Photo of ‘Free Derry Corner’ tonight. I didn’t take it, I found it on facebook.

  • Toastedpuffin

    galloglaigh, Then the whole point of your post failed because you ignored your own advice. Describing the Twelfth as “Bigotfest” is rather aggressive.

  • galloglaigh

    Well I say it how I see it. Republicans also display strengths of bigotry. That is also wrong. Rioting, intimidation, hatred, sectarianism, or bigotry, be it from republican/nationalists, or loyalist/unionists, is where all our collective problems lie. We should be pooling together to stop it all.

    I believe that the Orange Order, and loyalism in general, could do a lot more to embrace their Catholic neighbours. I also believe that republicans, and and nationalists in general, could do a lot more to embrace their Protestant neighbours.

    Both communities are currently at war. We should all come together on this, by posting comments that do not give justification either way.

  • Don’t think the parade had permission to carry a banner “Republicanism = Cultural Apartheid.”

  • Jimmy Sands

    I wonder has any thought ever been given to a sort of NI “Sealed Knot” which would allow rioting enthusiasts, particularly younger people who perhaps feel it unfair that they missed out on the real thing, to re-enact famous historical disturbances, preferably away from residential areas?

  • Toastedpuffin

    Maybe Jack2 was just “saying it as he sees it”. Yet you criticised him.

    I don’t see how demonising Orangemen with your “Bigotfest” jibe squares with “posting comments that do not give justification either way”. Presumably you mean justification for the violence we’ve seen over the last few days/weeks?

  • galloglaigh

    My friend, OrangeFest/BigotFest (that’s who I see it, that’s the Orange Order’s problem) is part of the problem. But can it be part of the solution? That is the question.

    Now, what has occurred here, is that you have tried to draw the light away from others, and onto myself. That’s not going to happen.

    I stand by what I say – all of the issues, and all those involved, must sit down together and come to a compromise. Until that happens, OrangeFest will continue to stir up tension, on both sides of our silly society.

  • Jack2

    I wasn’t posting from a position of ignorance. Have a few friends who grew up in that area, its not difficult to recognise the workshy tracksuit and tache brigade.

    Yet only just now a few of the neighbours have over indulged during 12th celebrations that resulted in their kids being taken by their grandparents and 2 cop cars arriving at the house.

    As a taxpayer you start to see the complete waste of resources on BOTH sides.

  • Toastedpuffin

    galloglaigh, (love the login name BTW), to many the Orange Order isn’t part of the problem.

    But regardless of that, levelling cheap n nasty jibes at it isn’t part of any solution. About that there is no question.

  • galloglaigh

    So now with the jibes. What’s your problem with my login name?

    Please, entertain me!

    The Orange Order are indeed part of the problem. As are the UVF, and the various so-called dissident republican organisation. A big part of the problem, is that they don’t know, or don’t admit, that they are indeed part of the problem.

  • Toastedpuffin

    galloglaigh,

    Easy there lad, you’re getting overheated for no good reason. I was being sincere, being interested in medieval military history. Try not to take on so.

    As to the OO being part of the problem, that’s your opinion, but it’s not mine.

  • grandimarkey

    Tostedpuffin:

    “As to the OO being part of the problem, that’s your opinion, but it’s not mine.”

    What do you consider the problems to be?

  • galloglaigh

    Maybe I could answer that. It all started in 1641… blah… blah… blah!

  • In the name of “lets get alongerism” we have had to embrace Orange Culture as valid regardless of the fact that it embraces extremely decent people doing extremely decent things in countless towns and villages throughout the North…….and the midless sectarian bigotry of the “kick the pope” bands and bonfires burning the odd effigy, flags and election posters of both the Sinn Féin Mayor of Belfast and SDLPs Magdalena Wolska.
    I am not a big fan of culture…..and no great fan of THIS aspect of Orange Culture. But its hard to see how anybody could justify this Hate Fest.

    Yet smiling faces of Paul Clark, Donna Traynor, and the rest talk about the “official” Orangeism. No downside here.
    In Richhill, four month old Amber is (her mummy tells us) enjoying her first Twelfth…….It is “in her blood” says Mummy.
    I guess that says it all.
    No more Drumcree of course.
    No more Garvaghy Road.
    That victory over Orange cultural “excess” has been won.
    But it seems to me that the next legitimate target for reasonable people is the “Belfast band culture” and the “bonfire culture”.
    In truth respectable Orange folk of whom there are many would be as relieved as the rest of us if some manners were put on the bad guys.

  • Toastedpuffin

    grandimarkey,

    If we are talking about the current violence, and I’m assuming we are, the problem isn’t some guys walking down a street, or even some other guys not wanting them to walk down that street because they don’t belong round there, it’s the notion that violence is an acceptable mode of expression. That there is no other way. A quick scally round these pages and you’ll see the format, dressed up in some pseuodo-philosophical cause-and-effect ballix.

    The absolutism of the stance that the OO is part of the problem is a mechanism by which the truly culpable are (partially) excused. It’s also, incidentally, a mechanism by which one can rob a group or organisation of their validity and worth because, at heart, you just can’t stand them. This doesn’t just work for the OO, it works for the Catholic Church, the GAA, name yer pet hate and insert.

  • Toastedpuffin

    “Maybe I could answer that”

    Or then again, maybe not.

  • Dewi

    Same old. Boring. And.No.Fun. A solution might be complicated but, hell, doing this every year is madness.

  • galloglaigh

    Toastedpuffin

    The Orange Order would do itself a favour by changing. Republicans in general, not all but the majority, have changed, and for the better.

    If they stopped insisting on refusing to speak to their opponents, and if they stopped insisting on using the Highways as a way of provocation, that would be a start. Add to all this, the terrorist flags (more this year than ever), the bands displaying terrorist emblems, and the disrespect of the 36th Ulster Division, the Catholic Church, Catholic schools, PSNI stations, mixed housing estates, etc.etc. etc.

    The Orange Order contribute, along with many others, to the problems we all share. They must change to accommodate local engagement.

    That’s how it is, and we all know it!

  • Toastedpuffin

    galloglaigh,

    Reeling off the sins of organisations you hate might be a relaxing passtime, but it does not offer a solution any more than your “Bigotfest” jibe earlier.

    Typing “That’s how it is” does not actually mean that is how it is.

  • galloglaigh

    Of course you will object to my objectivity (of sorts, but that’s ingrained in me). It’s my belief, that the Orange Order are a contributing factor in the solution. That is to say, they are also part of the problem. That is the reality on the ground. You may see it otherwise, but that’s up to you to deal with. Blaming someone else doesn’t cut it. Responsibility does!

  • wee buns

    Get Supernanny.
    Dummy has been spit out, needs naughty step and firm hands.

  • Toastedpuffin

    “Blaming someone else doesn’t cut it”

    Then stop.

    Let’s talk about gallowglasses, we might get further and maybe even enjoy the experience.

  • galloglaigh

    Yes mammy! Sorry mammy!

  • Toastedpuffin

    galloglaigh

    I fear you are under a misapprehension. Perhaps you are up too late. But, there is no easy way to break this to you…… I am not your mother.

    I am not even female. So, you see, I cannot have given you birth, nor suckled you at my teat. I do have nipples, but not milk producing ones, so any memories you have in that direction are false and I’d ask you not to dwell on them too long. That way is, in a Nietzschian sense, the Abyss.

  • galloglaigh

    What a sweet way to end an argument!

  • pippakin

    I got the impression that the Ardoyne was a wee bit quieter this year, or perhaps it was that everywhere else was as ‘noisy’. I’m glad the worst of it is over, or at least I hope it is.

  • lamhdearg

    Now all that unpleasantness (Orange/British culture) is behind us, lets all love each other, And lets hope the Fe’ile (Green/Gaelic in culture) in august, will not get the same reaction from the non irish nationalists side. but as they say “monkey see”.

  • JR

    Lamhdhearg,
    If feile was a mirror image of the marching season would the reaction be much differant?

  • keano10

    I agree with Pippakin. I think Ardoyne was a bit ‘quieter’ this year and the disturbances in other towns tended to be on a generally small scale (at least in terms of the numbers involved).

    We may just have to accept that the nature of these parades is such that there is always likely to be some trouble each July. Sad as that may be.

  • Munsterview

    Slight digression for Republicans…..

    As I posted elsewhere in slugger Kerry stalwart Republican and RSF leader Liam Cotter RIP passed away the start of the week.

    These details are probably available elsewhere but for the benefit of any interested Republicans reading, his remains will rest at McElliots funeral home, Tralee four to seven p.m. to-morrow with removal to the church at that time. Burial post 11O’C mass on friday. Given Liam’s GAA and many other connections aside from his political activities a large attendance may be expected so for any attending allow plenty of time for parking and expect crowds.