Tensions rising, again, in Belfast

UTV reports police have fired baton rounds in north Belfast where they are attempting to remove protesters who have blocked the Upper Crumlin Road near the Ardoyne shops.  UTV are also reporting an attempt to block the Ormeau Road.  A number of hijacked vehicles during the day are also causing security alerts elsewhere in the city. 

Other sporadic incidents were also reported today in Lurgan and Armagh, including an attempt to set fire to a train in Lurgan.

Adds  Clearly some commenters could do with reading the links in this earlier post.

And  Some political reaction to some of the violence here.

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  • Morning Kathy C

    Funny you think the Brits still own BP does that mean they get to keep all future profits instead of having to share it with the, in your opinion, non existent US, except I always think of BP as American now, since I have yet to hear of America taking a back seat on anything they are involved in.

    Arguably if the Americans had kept the hell out of Ireland the troubles would have been left to democracy and would have been over years ago. Yet another example of American back seat driving.

  • Harry Flashman

    Burning a national flag may be a political gesture, it may be offensive to many but it is not “sectarian” in the proper meaning of the word unless you regard the Irish Tricolour as some form of religious symbol.

  • Kathy C

    \Hi Pippakin, I don’t think BP is british owned but british in thought and policy making. As for Americans staying out of Ireland…maybe if the british had stayed out of Ireland in the first place then….the Irish who had to leave the country over the years could have stayed….and there would be more Ireland/Irish than Irish/Americans….and besides the Irish politicans are constantly comeing to the US looking for help and MONEY!!! ; )

  • Stephen

    DR, there is a difference between trying to torch a train and having genuine – and utterly democratic – objections to having your roads closed for a couple of hours to cater to a belligerent, unwanted and triumphalist march.

    Those rioting were not speaking on behalf of nationalists or Catholics. They ranged from around 10 to maybe 25, out for a night’s fun because their parents didn’t care and the police were too afraid of the one or two RIRA’ers lurking in the crowd, armed, to arrest.

    The relationship between the wider Ardoyne community and the rioters is not dis-similiar to the SDLP and the Provos during the Troubles; mainstream nationalist opinion was hijacked by minority and unrepresentative militants, who gave the whole movement a bad name. The Ardoyne, Derry and other riots were products of a complete absence of law and order in the more deprived areas of Northern Ireland and are utterly separate from any genuine politics. They should be recognised as such.

  • Kathy C

    The thing is people did leave and they became not Irish but American. Everything you refer to is, literally history. The Brits have not been in a position and nor have the vast majority of them wanted to be involved.

    This thread is supposed to be about Ireland so I will just say Bhopal to you. Not sure how much damage it did to the environment, but I know it killed thousands of actual people.

    You know I get really irritated, not at hearing from you, but the bias! it is so blatant and so ridiculous I find myself defending the Brits!

  • RepublicanStones

    Yep…destroying the lifestlye of the people of New Orleans and the Gulf….could be seen as an act of revenage by a british company. What do ya think?

    I think you need to put down the Camberwell carrott and step away from the keyboard.

  • lamhdearg

    UPDATE. FROM THE BBC WEB NEWS SITE
    31 October 2011.
    (can someone persuade Ardoyne repuplican, to give his (inside) view on the trial.)

    “Twenty-six charged over protests at Twelfth parade The Parades Commission said protestors were restricted to footpaths
    A sit-down road protest at the scene of a disputed Orange Order march in north Belfast breached a Parades Commission determination, a court has heard.

    Ronnie Pedlow, the former secretary of the commission, said objectors at Ardoyne were restricted to footpaths.

    He was giving evidence as a case opened against 26 people charged with obstructing lawful activity in a public place during a 12 July march in 2010.

    The case against a 27th man was withdrawn.

    A teenager is to face Youth Court proceedings over the protest.

    At least four of the accused were not in attendance when the case, which is listed for five days, got under way at Belfast Magistrates’ Court.

    The charges are being defended on the basis that residents and campaigners were involved in a peaceful sit-down protest which flouted no determination.

    Mr Pedlow told the court the restrictions imposed on bands and lodges passing Ardoyne shops on their return march included having no more than 30 supporters, no flags or emblems of proscribed organisations, and no sectarian or provocative behaviour.

    Laughter broke out among defendants packed in the public gallery as a further prohibition on drinking alcohol was outlined.

    The court heard details of two separate bodies operating in the area, the Crumlin Ardoyne Residents’ Association (CARA) and the Greater Ardoyne Residents’ Coalition (GARC).

    It was set out the prosecution intends to prove the protest at the centre of the case was led by GARC.

    ‘Restrictions’

    But Mr Pedlow said he could not give a definitive answer about who was involved.

    He also told the court that Parades Commission monitors were asked to pull out of the area due to unrest before the parade had passed.

    Following cross-examination by a series of defence lawyers, a prosecutor asked if the determination on CARA’s static peaceful protest authorised a sit-down which obstructed a road.

    Mr Pedlow replied: “No. The commision’s code of conduct and how the commission would place restrictions on it, would expect that any protest does not take place on a carriageway, but would take place on a footpath.

    “The commision would have met with CARA in the run-up to its consideration of the protest and would have heard from CARA about how it would intend to hold the protest.

    “They indicated they were holding a protest on the pavement and the commission accepted that.

    “To take a protest on the carriageway would be against the commission determination.”

    The case continues”

  • lamhdearg

    Twelfth parade protest accused has charges dropped The protest took place at a Twelfth parade in Ardoyne Continue reading the main story
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    A woman being prosecuted over a sit-down protest at a disputed Orange Order parade in north Belfast has had the charges against her dismissed.

    Jacqueline McAfee could not be identified on footage of the scene.
    from bbc