A deal reached: May going to the palace

Just in… from the Guardian

We wait for the detail, but it’s a reasonable guess that this is a supply and confidence deal.

As I noted this morning, the Conservatives and DUP share 328 seats, which is an effective majority of 3. Sinn Fein abstentionism increases it to 6.

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  • SeaanUiNeill

    Any English Conservatives I’ve met will always say “Irish’ automatically when referring to here.

  • Simian Droog
  • hgreen

    Many in the SF leadership agree that their policy of competing in elections in which they abstain is no longer a sensible strategy. Surely after this fiasco their future participation in Westminster elections must stop.

  • Zorin001

    Turns out there are 45 LGTB MP’s this Parliament, 19 of which are Tories, wonder how well it will go down when the DUP tell them they are abominations?

  • Davie Sproule

    Jeremy Corbyn, Ken Livingstone and John McDonnell invited the IRA to our national parliament and eulogised terrorists.

  • Davie Sproule

    Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA. The DUP is not the UDA’s political wing.

  • Davie Sproule

    British politics is partisan. Labour and its voters will try to attack and smear the DUP but the Conservatives who are a Unionist party will stand side by side with their brothers and sisters in Ulster as they have always done so.

  • Skibo

    The IRA are gone. The last murder by the UDA was a couple of weeks ago. The UDA command endorsed the DUP and electioneered for them.

  • Skibo

    They will stand side by side till they start to lose votes and then you will see who your friends are.

  • Davie Sproule

    The IRA are gone

    The PSNI disagrees and a man was murdered in Belfast just over a year ago by the IRA.

    If you have even bothered to read about the situation in Carrick and the murder in Bangor you would know that those responsible in South East Antrim are renegade criminals they oppose the UDA and the DUP and in no way represent the good rank and file of the UDA in South and West Belfast who wish to move towards peace.

  • BERZERKERMG

    No, but it will embarrass the Conservatives and give ammunition to Labour, Lib Dems and Scots Nats. When this electoral cycle is over, the DUP will have damaged the reputation of unionism in the eyes of all major parties in GB and the hitherto oblivious British public.

  • 1729torus

    In the British system, Dublin advising London in the use of its authority is arguably informal joint governance

  • Neilo

    Indeed, Barney!

  • Macca

    They are Unionist in terms of the island of Great Britain – the fact that no one in Britain knows who the DUP is speaks volumes and tells us everything. This is a part of the Union they could not care less about.

  • The Living End

    Nigel Dodds could take a dump in the Queen’s hat and it wouldn’t change how people here vote. It’s ‘my side V your side’ until it’s all over (reunification).

  • Davie Sproule

    Perhaps you haven’t heard a Theresa May speech but she refers to “the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” “Our four nations” It is quite clear that they care and support the continued Union between NI and the GB.

  • The Living End

    You’d better let The Donald know

  • The Living End

    chip chip

  • The Living End

    murder in Belfast was ‘The IRA’, murder in Bangor was ‘renegade criminals’.

    T’was ever thus

  • Davie Sproule

    The South East Antrim “UDA” who are responsible for what happened in Bangor are a breakaway group who oppose the UDA and oppose the DUP they have kept the name UDA but are a seperate organisation.

    The murder of Kevin McGuigan in Belfast was by the Provisional IRA (as confirmed by the PSNI) whom Sinn Fein are the political wing of.

  • The Living End

    Unfortunately it being implicit allows the tories to completely deny it, which they have, and will. It’s in their nature

  • Surveyor

    They’re taking their sweet time about it aren’t they?

  • The Living End

    source?

  • Macca

    The Tories couldn’t give a tuppence for northern Unionists (check out the glee George Osborne is having at the DUP’s expense today for a snapshot of that). One day you will wake up and see how British politicians have simply used the north, historically, as a recruiting ground for their cannon fodder.

  • Davie Sproule

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/proshoukri-brigadier-ousted-28400076.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8442683.stm

    “The body which monitors paramilitary activity in Northern Ireland said in its last report that the UDA remained split into two distinct groups – the mainstream UDA and the south east Antrim group.

  • Macca

    I agree. It will make a huge difference to the British electorate, however. These DUP guys are going to be hauled into the spotlight like never before and it will, I believe, have a huge impact on the British public’s understanding/take of the narrative of the north.

  • The Living End

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/22/psni-provisional-ira-northern-ireland-kevin-mcguigan-republican

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/psni-officer-links-murder-of-kevin-mcguigan-to-ira-1.2323366

    “The PSNI chief constable insisted the PIRA’s organisational structure
    was there primarily for “promoting a peaceful political republican
    agenda”.

    However, he said: “Some current Provisional IRA and former members
    continue to engage in a range of criminal activity and occasional
    violence in the interest of personal gain or personal agendas.”

    I should add, ahem, If you had even bothered to read about the situation ….etc. etc.

  • 05OCT68

    Think the Telegraph or Standard are running a cartoon of an orange man with May in his breast pocket.

  • 05OCT68

    Flags!!!

  • hollandia

    Good try.

  • 05OCT68

    Can Unionism survive the cold hard, unrelenting spotlight of the great British media? Newsnight’s gonna have a field day outing them. Unionism will have a representative on Question Time every week being part of the new National Government, how will they deal with the great British puplic asking the hard questions? I sorta can’t wait

  • 05OCT68

    How do you know?

  • 05OCT68

    Will an increase in the Social Investment Fund be priority #1 for the DUP?

  • grumpy oul man

    The UDA linkage is going to take some explaining.

  • grumpy oul man

    Maybe you can try that one out when the DUP are questioned about there links to a active terror group.
    The english i suspect will care more about that than things that happened 30 years ago.

  • grumpy oul man

    No nothing can be done about who the UDA supports but working with them is another matter.
    Remember the people in Britain dont own orange tinted glasses such as those you wear.

  • jporter

    I know a couple of staunch Tories in England who are absolutely horrified.
    Of course the DUP itself, smug and arrogant as they are, haven’t a clue what’s coming.
    Of course I could be wrong and middle England will love them and not in any way want to dump NI quicker than they currently do….

  • jporter

    The election coverage last night saw them constantly being referred to as Irish Unionists (George Osborne) and the Ulster Unionists (everyone else).

  • jporter

    No, but does anyone honestly believe that the GB public reaction to the DUP will strengthen the Union?

  • the keep

    If they are unwilling to take their seats they shouldn’t receive any money from Westminster.

  • grumpy oul man

    The Scots torys have already said they wont work with the DUP.

  • Devil Éire

    Perhaps you haven’t heard a Theresa May speech but she refers to “the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” “Our four nations”

    Are you from Northern Ireland? If so, which of those “four nations” are you a member of?

  • JOHN TURLEY

    Their electorate have just said no.

  • lizmcneill

    And probably beyond.

  • Macca

    Yep, I’ve heard her say this. I don’t believe for a moment that she means it – a bit like “Brexit means Brexit” etc. George Osborne (and his attitude) is the guy you should be taking note of.

  • Korhomme

    Just announced (just after 9pm Friday). Kensington, the richest constituency in the UK, has gone Labour with a majority of 20 votes.

  • Reader

    Jag: Interesting week ahead in Dublin.
    Actually, it sounds utterly tedious. Straight to DVD.

  • harmlessdrudge

    I see you have no more “alternative facts” to share with us about the bankrupting Labour party (and coming from the most dependent / parasitic part of the UK that’s quite something).

  • Davie Sproule

    Simple question which party was in power during and in the decade running up to the global financial meltdown of 07-08?

  • Davie Sproule

    Northern Ireland.

  • harmlessdrudge

    No they didn’t. As I pointed out to you earlier when you claimed Labour were spendthrift and I shared facts about the profligacy of Conservative govts, you are citing what are now known as “alternative facts”. The IRA were never invited to the British parliament. It’s true, however, that British governments have had dialogue with the IRA over a period of decades. See e.g.,. https://ansionnachfionn.com/2017/05/22/thirty-years-of-secret-talks-and-negotiations-between-britain-and-the-ira/. If the British govt can have a dialogue with the IRA most reasonable people have no objection to a dialogue with elected nationalist politicians. Indeed, the only objectors are extremist supremacist bigots.

    Would you like to try again? Perhaps you should read more widely than just the right-wing British tabloid press? It has a habit of peddling lies that suit the agenda of billionaire owners. Not too long ago Nelson Mandela was also a “terrorist”. Remember? A terrorist is someone who resists the invasion and occupation of his country and other injustices imposed by a foreign or colonial power.

  • Davie Sproule

    You are posting Republican trash.

  • Devil Éire

    Northern Ireland is not a nation. Try again.

  • mickfealty

    They will now.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I fully agree, but…… Westminster, of course, all too often ignores Dublin pretty much nowadays. The Agreement is in place, operating in its own dysfunctional way, and “eaten bread is soon forgotten” as Richard Hamilton told the Derry Garrison in 1689. Richard Kearney’s model of open joint sovereignty was a very important part of making the Agreement work properly, and the failure to effect this has ensured that these casual arrangements are all too often ignored. More so now we have the DUP sitting at the big Westminster table.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Let us hope they are serious.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    I fully agree. See my comment to 1729torus below.

  • Macca

    Yes, until May’s coalition collapses. Between now and then, right- wing, left-wing and centrist UK media folk will attack May and the DUP from all angles and at different times for different purposes.

    At the moment they are focusing on the DUP’s anti-abortion, and LGBT “unfriendly” stance …this is them going in for a nice, easy, “soft” story. It’s a nice easy starter hinting at a far more tasty main course to come. As time moves on, their probing will get deeper and deeper and deeper: the Metro Brexit advert, RHI and so on will each get their turn in the spotlight if the coalition lasts long enough and May refuses to budge.

    My concern is just what will happen if there is another religious extremist attack on a British street? How will May square things up to the British public when the press goes to town on the backgrounds of some of the good folk propping up her government? It will be disastrous on so many levels for the UK government and their moral credibility will be shot. I would say many wise, old Tory heads have worked this out already and will be working flat out to make sure things don’t reach such an inevitable stage.

  • Marcus Orr

    Ireland of course. Proud of the Irish Harp on my British Passport.

  • Marcus Orr

    Of course they are Irish – so what ?

  • Marcus Orr

    Osborne is supposed to be an educated man, yet he says orange is the new blue as if he is unaware that his party was called (is still called?) the Conservative and Unionist Party and that as late as 1964 the conservatives won every seat in Northern Ireland in the general election (with the NI unionists an integral part of the tory party). “Orange is back!” might have been a better title.

  • Reader

    Devil Éire: Northern Ireland is not a nation. Try again.
    Nation: a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular state or territory.
    This may take a couple of iterations, so please be patient. Do you accept the above definition of Nation? And is the 26 counties a nation? 32 counties? 6 counties?

  • Devil Éire

    Do you accept the above definition of Nation?

    Yes, because I believe that is the sense in which Teresa May meant it.

    This may take a couple of iterations, so please be patient.

    Permit me to skip ahead. Of course, nations often transcend political boundaries. For example, the Irish nation (in the constitutional sense) is understood to include those people in Northern Ireland who identify as Irish.

    What then, are the ‘four nations’ that May refers to? Are they English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish, or are they English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish?

    If the latter, then I would argue that (according to your definition), Northern Ireland is not a nation since many unionists argue that there are two separate ethnicities in the region. If more people start to select ‘Northern Irish’ as their identity in the census then that might be an indication that a nation is forming.

    If the former, then I suggest that this is rather tone deaf of May since it doesn’t appear to leave room for those people in Northern Ireland who identify as British, but not Irish.

  • ThatNumber10

    What I thought was more brilliant was that the young people who got off their asses to vote Corbyn into power, by default voted the DUP in.

  • Reader

    Devil Éire: Permit me to skip ahead.
    You skipped ahead too far! My argument is not that Northern Ireland is a nation – instead that Ireland (32) isn’t, and neither is Ireland (26).
    You gave the reasons in your own argument – i.e. those who don’t belong, and those who are left out.

  • Devil Éire

    My argument is not that Northern Ireland is a nation – instead that Ireland (32) isn’t, and neither is Ireland (26).

    But who is your argument with? I did not make either of those claims.