Corbyn against @UKLabour’s sleeping base in Northern Ireland playing an official part in #AE17

Just in from the Labour Party in NI stalwart, Boyd Black…

Jeremy Corbyn has said it is ‘extremely unlikely’ there will be official Labour candidates in the Stormont Assembly elections.

This comment is unhelpful. It is also not surprising, as the promised official review by the party’s National Executive Committee (NEC) has been disgracefully delayed, in part by last year’s party leadership election.

Since it is the NEC that will make the decision about us fighting elections (albeit with a major input from Jeremy), this decision is ‘unlikely’ to be made until after the formal review of our position is completed, which will be after the Assembly elections.

This means the public are once again denied the opportunity to vote for an anti-sectarian party which offers an alternative way forward to the failed status quo.

The local party are due to discuss it on the 21st of this month, although on the current timing that may be too for them to enter the fray.

The party’s NI membership are thought to be sending £120k in dues annually now. That’s not just a lot of money for any local party, but represents lot of commitment and energy.

Not only is Jez against it, but Jon Lansman (kingpin of Momentum – non-existent in large parts of the UK, including NI) is close to Gerry Adams, who, for obvious reasons, is not that keen.

That said, this might be one to sit out. The competition for seats in the middle ground is likely to be fierce if the Fresh Start parties can effect a Big Billy/Big Mickey crush.

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  • T.E.Lawrence

    Feel very sorry for NILP activists ! (As they are very dedicated to politics and hold the same belief that I hold to try and help the Working Class People of this country). They would have got my second preference vote, but unfortunately while Corbyn leads them they will never be allowed to field official candidates in any NI Election !

  • Stephen McGlennon

    Kind of a slap in the face, really. I know a few people who joined from here and paid the extra £25 in order to be able to vote to keep him in as Labour Leader.

  • Karl

    I think its the LPNI, the NILP having been disbanded. Moving out of pedants corner, 0.2% of the vote after being represented in all 18 constituencies in the last election shows that the market doesnt want what they’re offering.
    I am agnostic as to whether they should be allowed to stand, but the electorate dont seem to think its the burning issue Boyd does.

  • T.E.Lawrence

    Thanks for the correction Karl – sometimes Old Timers like me need help with initials ! Kind of defeats everything Labour stands for if the guys and girls who come from NI are not allowed to stand in their own backyard ?

  • Karl

    Agreed. Maybe Jeremy would let them stand for PBP? He seems to have a greater affinity for their politics

  • T.E.Lawrence

    I think PBP could be in for a tricky ride this time round, the Shinners seemed to have stole a march on them ?

  • Karl

    I hope so. I dont see the point in fracturing the nationalist vote unless it has the wider purpose of increasing turnout or providing a wider choice across all constituencies.
    Looking forward to FF going north and showing the DUP how to do corruption properly.
    The British govt would have to find an extra 10 billion if FF and the DUP were running the boilers together.

  • T.E.Lawrence

    Any chance of taking the DUP down South ( and effing them out of NI ) to do Arther Daly’s along with FF ? Maybe that is a better solution ?

  • Zorin001

    The sight of the Healy Reas dancing circles round the DUP would gladden my heart.

  • Karl

    ….before they entered into a votes for roads pact and Kerry tarmacing industry went through the roof and even household pets were asphalted in the rush for the real black gold

  • Karl

    If you take FF. You’ll be crying out for the suspicion of corruption. Hankering after the good old days of the DUp when things didnt smell right about land for a fiver and legal firms connected to politicians relative. FF got away with being blatant for years.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    As a friend and one-time donor to the Labour cause in NI, I have to smile. I could not believe it last year when the NI party actually voted to endorse Corbyn in the leadership election. I feel sorry for those activists who voted against him, but those who voted for him only have themselves to blame. His awful disdain for N Ireland people unless they are Republicans, and woeful lack of judgment, was well known.

  • Zorin001

    Though it would be an All-Ireland venture and therefore progress!

  • Zorin001

    Frankly you would feel he needs all the seats he can get.

  • hgreen

    I think Labour supporters here in NI chose Corbyn for a variety of most reasons most of which which remain valid.

    I guess as a labour member I’ll be voting Green again.

  • Reader

    I gave the Provisional NILP guys a first preference vote last time round, though I knew they wouldn’t keep it once the count started. I think they are being badly treated and I wanted to give them a bit of encouragement.

  • RWP

    What’s really going on is that UK Labour know than Labour are most unlikely to win any Commons seats in NI, or indeed make much headway in the Assembly. Look at the Tories’ performance for a reasonable view of what’s likely in terms of electoral headway.

    It’s therefore a no brainer for the UK Labour party to stay out of NI, lest any Labour votes make the difference between unseating an SDLP MP, or simply alienates the SDLP sufficiently that Labour couldn’t rely on their support in future.

  • grumpy oul man

    Perhaps like most people on the other Island Corbyn has disdain for unionists because of their terrible track record on human rights and their inability to recognize the great wrongs they carried out when in power and their ability to turn to violence to block any progress.

    Lets be honest unionism chose Ian Paisley as its leader, a man with a international reputation for intolerance and self righteous utterances, also a man who did not blanch at starting his own terror groups when it suited.
    people tend to notice these thing even if unionists pretend they never happened the rest of the world knows unionism history.

  • grumpy oul man

    Dont know mate, more than a couple of people i know who would have voted shinner have told me they will votePB4P next time round.
    But time will tell.

  • Fear Éireannach

    The PBP’s carryon re Brexit was a disgrace, they have no more to offer than if SF are agin it then we’ll be in favour of it.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    And nationalism has chosen the former leaders of the IRA. Yet Corbyn hasn’t been troubled by that, it seems. In fact, he seems drawn to them.

  • grumpy oul man

    Certainly Adams and co get of lightly in world opinion but unionist gets what it deserves

    Here is the problem with unionism (now we know you don’t believe it but the rest of the world has open eyes) when you look at the NI they controlled you see a state based on the most appalling bigotry.
    Anybody in any doubt about how unionist laid the conditions for the birth of the IRA can go get a history book and see the violence between 1966 and 1969 starting with murder and culminating in attacks on civil rights marchers and house burning.
    then we have Ian paisley leading the UWC chaos where 39 people died, add to this the fact that when the civilized world was boycotting the disgusting regime in south Africa paisleys terror group was making arms deals with it.
    Now we look at the obvious hatred of Catholics shown by paisley and other unionist leaders at every opportunity (displayed with pride no less) and my favorite is this.
    When Adams said that they would use equality to beat unionism, did unionism try to beat the shinners at the equality game , no it didn’t what it did was announce loudly and for all to hear that they were not going to have anything to do with that equality nonsense and any attempt at equality was a IRA plot to attack them.
    You rightly point out often the history of Adams and co but the world rightly sees them as a product of unionism and a awful awful lot of people believe that if they were nationalist in NI being discriminated against and murdered for complaining about it they would be in the IRA as well.
    Perhaps if you just once looked at the history of unionism without the orange blinkers on them you might begin to understand why the world looks at it as it does.

  • MainlandUlsterman

    I am in hiatus as a Labour member and spoiled my ballot at the last council election rather than vote for Labour under Corbyn. He is a disaster area and the best thing I can do for the party is not vote for it until he goes.

  • hgreen

    I’ll support Corbyn until they come up with someone better. Hopefully that person from the left of the party will emerge soon as I agree Corbyn won’t win a general election.

  • Acrobat_747

    Exactly. The SDLP sends three MPs to Westminster whom the Labour Party can depend on.

    As big as the LPNI is, it is still behind the SDLP. The SDLP still is a big party in NI despite the lack of success at the polls.

  • Mr Caseydog

    I agree with you : Corbyn will not agree to official candidates here. He has a long standing commitment to republicanism and Irish unity. But Jeremy does not have total control over the NEC and Conference. There is a still a significant part of the party apparatus which opposes him.

    The NILP would have needed to take their case not only to Corbyn but also to the broader Labour movement in the rest of the U.K.

    However the NILP is dominated by the Corbynites, many of whom are very active on Facebook denouncing the right and centre of the party.

    Consequently they will be unable to muster any significant support when their application to run candidates comes before the NEC.

    They are doomed, as Frazer once said.

  • Gerry Lynch

    I hear the Natural Law Party are also involved in bitter internal fighting about whether they should contest the Assembly election. Although they have more chance of winning any seats than Labour.

  • Nicholas Whyte

    I agree with both of these comments. I can’t see any incentive for any UK Labour leader to allow official candidates in Northern Ireland. For once, it’s unfair to blame Corbyn – any of his opponents, and any conceivable Labour leader, would have taken the same line. (Yes, I know what Andy Burnham said – he committed to do no more than refer the question to the NEC, which is precisely what Corbyn has actually done.)

  • hotdogx

    The British have no interest in NI what’s more Corbyn is best pals with SF and believe in their primary goal of a UI.
    Does this come as a shock to you?

  • Nicholas Whyte

    I’m well aware of Corbyn’s views, thanks; I am just making the point that on this issue, i.e. whether or not Labour should contest elections in Northern Ireland, no Labour leader is likely to take a different position.

  • hotdogx

    Yes, I would believe so as the cost involved far outweighs the gains, plus possibly bringing up the north a problem everyone in Britain would like to forget and see resolved. In fact the British people would like to see a UI. They (labour) would rather leave the SDLP & SF to manage left wing issues in the north.

  • Gingray

    More fool them!