Words, and actions…

At the launch of his party’s “26 counties” local government manifesto, the Sinn Féin party president, Gerry Adams, TD, declared

Sinn Féin will expose corruption and root it out of public life once and for all.

[Unless ‘good’ republicans are involved… – Ed]

He also claimed

Sinn Féin will also advocate on behalf of whistle-blowers who may come forward to defend the public interest.

[Depending on who they are blowing the whistle on… – Ed]  Obviously!



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  • fordprefect

    I’m still wiping the tears from my eyes from laughing, exposing corruption!? Let’s hope he starts with himself. Whistle blowers!? Whoever Ed is has it spot on. By the way, I’m a republican (socialist variety) you know, the type the likes of SF and co. don’t like to talk about when there’s an election looming! Though having said that, I’m a socialist first.

  • megatron

    Incisive commentary Pete.

  • socaire

    Why is”26 counties” in inverted commas?

  • Politico68

    Tomorrow in the Sunday Times – FG 25, SF 21, FF 19, Lab 7. Despite the juvenile sneers and the scare tactics, you can sure if SF ever hold office, the cosy cartel of corruptors, liars, cheats and elitist tax avoiders will be weeded out of Irish society.

  • Pete Baker

    Just the facts, megatron.

    socaire, they’re not ‘inverted commas’, they’re quotation marks.


    No scare tactics involved. Just pointing to Sinn Féin’s recent record of dealing with whistle blowers.

    When they’ve been on the receiving end of the whistle…

  • cynic2

    “you can sure if SF ever hold office, the cosy cartel of corruptors, liars, cheats and elitist tax avoiders will be weeded out of Irish society”

    Corruptors – does that include rapists and paedophiles

    Liars – who were never in the IRA?

    Cheats – what exactly do you mean by this one? Do Bank robbers count for example?

    Elitist tax avoiders – does that include fuel launderers and tobacco smugglers and money launderers

  • socaire

    Oh, I get it, Pete. It’s a quotation. How remiss of me.

  • socaire

    Well, why is “local government manifesto” not in quotation marks too? Are you trying to make a(nother) sneery anti Republican point?

  • Pete Baker


    No. A partitionist one. 😉

  • Dixie Elliott

    A proven paedophile protector exposing corruption? Give me a bucket…

    Perhaps he could begin telling us where the Northern Bank money went and how did so many in his party become very rich?

  • Dixie Elliott
  • gendjinn

    1. Those SF are denouncing are the allies & material supporters of FF, FG and Labour.
    2. The same group is largely despised by the public and the public want the situation dealt with. FF, FG & Labour have failed. Who’s left?
    3. SF know that if they get power and fail to follow through they will be on the scrap heap like the PDs, Greens and soon Labour.
    4. If they do follow through, they reduce the power of their rivals and will be repaid in further electoral growth.

    Yes, obviously SF won’t do that……..

  • “No. A partitionist one.”

    It’s so unlike you to do a promo for the Shinners, Pete 😉

    I’ve checked out the 6 County manifesto where the Shinners hold Executive power and there’s no mention whatsoever of corruption or whistle-blowing. If they can clean up this stable they’re obviously well fitted to cleaning up the 26 County one too.

    The 26 County electorate will also be mightly impressed with these fine words from the 6 County manifesto:

    Sinn Féin supports the new Community Planning powers under RPA as a measure for the greater empowerment of citizens. For the first time Statutory agencies will be required to sit around the Community Planning table with members of the Community and Voluntary sectors and elected representatives to identify, plan and prioritise the real needs of local areas. Community Planning powers, for the first time, provide local people with the opportunity to participate within the democratic processes of defining what is best for local areas. Much more positive partnership working can occur between councils, citizens and the statutory agencies in deciding on the range of services and how they will be delivered within local areas.

    This sort of talk will most certainly enhance Shinner prospects in the two jurisdictions. And let’s not forget that as the super councils on the border are likely to have nationalist majorities the 6 County expertise will not just be limited to that region:

    Community Planning powers will provide for much greater and integrated cross-border partnerships between local authorities north and south.

  • Politico68

    Cynic, all of the above, as long as there is proof of course. Dixie, 45% does not equal a half. A majority of the electorate either believes Adams or doesn’t care. The game is up, the witch hunt and hate campaign simply is not working. SF on the rise everywhere. U both are just going to have to live with it.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    Believe it or not, I’d like to see SF do well in the elections down south sooner rather than later.

    If they get into a position of power soon they’ll have the responsibility of not rocking the economic boat down south.

    And they wouldn’t be in the position of New Labour who inherited a relatively fat piggy bank and could distract us all with shiny things whilst they ran the country into the ground.

    Down here they’re quite praising of the Republic’s impressive recovery.

    If I understand correctly SF were opposed to some of the key reform policies which has made this turnaround possible (Politico68, I bow to your superior knowledge in this matter).

    They will then either have to get real or they will flounder.

    If they can root out corruption down south then so much the better, corruption is a massive dragstone to the fortunes of a country and its people.

    In the course of this I would be surprised if they didn’t accumulate enemies.

    I personally welcome a healthy Republic, with a thriving economy, free from corruption and one where SF are either discredited or have had to admit some hard truths and change their tune.

  • aquifer

    Revolutionary gangs don’t tend to do so well on corruption when they get in control of countries. And great leaders end up gathering girlies for themselves.

    Before Fianna Fail got into corruption, they were crap at economics.

    Before that they were the IRA too.

    Maybe being able to murder people with a pistol while spouting slogans is not a suitable qualification for high office.

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Politico68: “A majority of the electorate either believes Adams or doesn’t care.” That’s the problem in a nutshell, someone whose record would have ensured that never have survived as a party leader in any other European assembly can simply shout “the enemy making political capitol” as a get out of jail free card. It’s a bitter inditement of both the indifference of electorate, but especially of Sinn Féin who continue to stand behind him, that GA can behave as he has done to his niece Áine’s suffering, and, as with Ireland herself since the Elizabethan conquest, people either believe her (secondary) abuser or just don’t care.

    Sinn Féin should present itself with the face of a much cleaner vessel if its going to champion anti-corruption. Its the standards we set for ourselves and those we support that permit us to have any right to speak of morality in public life.

  • Comrade Stalin


    If they get into a position of power soon they’ll have the responsibility of not rocking the economic boat down south.

    The political boat too.

    SF criticized the government for allowing the DUP to influence them in exchange for support in the Commons. In the same vein, won’t unionists be justified in questioning the neutrality of any future Irish government which is operated by a coalition comprising SF ?

  • cynic2

    “Community Planning powers will provide for much” …..more opportunity for graft

  • SeaanUiNeill

    Hey, cynic2, you’re lambasting me over on another thread for bringing that up……….

    Nice wee earners those highly subsidised, utterly inefficient wind turbines……….that need to be carefully supported if planning permission is to be granted when they are to be sited on skylines described as totally unacceptable in the published guidelines…….good thing the control of planning is passing to responsible publically elected representatives who are supposed to speak for the entire community interest…..

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    “Our pledge is that Sinn Féin Councillors, right across this state, will exercise vigilance and will rigorously pursue evidence of corruption, whether by council members or officials.

    “Sinn Féin will also advocate on behalf of whistle-blowers who may come forward to defend the public interest.”

    Now there is something interesting. Adams the cult leader who will never disassociate himself from the actions of the provos. Is now an “advocate on behalf of whistle-blowers”!!!

    Would these the same whistle-blowers that the provos shot for whistle-blowing. Or the best that they could hope for is to get their whole life in the provos called into question, people like Brendan Hughes and Dolours Price. When they said Adams was in the IRA and involved in the murder of Jean McConville, he and the sinner/provo propaganda machine went into overdrive in rubbishing their claims.

  • ArdoyneUnionist
  • ArdoyneUnionist

    Is Tom McFeely, still in the shinner/provo cult. They could make him planning minister or get on a financial committee.



    By the way why is Gerry not on the wall any more??? Did his face not fit???

  • Niall Noigiallach

    The Sinn Fein obsession continues. Like crack heads dying for the next hit, they line up to contribute regurgatated nonsense to their hugely successful Stop The Shinners campaign. On this week’s show folks, Raymond Gilmour.

    Sweet mother of f*cking God. I might as well chip in since all the cool kids are doing it too. Here goes:

    “Cult, Adams, murder, past, victims, cult, McGuinness, play park, fleg, cult, Adams, murder, member of, cult, past, murder, IRA, IRA, IRA, IRA, past, (insert name of this week’s victim to be used as political football), past cult, Adams, leader, fleg, arrest, Adams, godfathers, provos, iron grip, member of, past, cult, Adams”

    Can I join your gang now? You all seem to have your fingers on the pulse. Please? Pretty please? I’ll say “cult” again.

  • Charles_Gould

    Niall please moderate your language.

  • Niall Noigiallach

    Apologies if it offends Charles, it was not the intention

  • Dixie Elliott

    23% believe he wasn’t involved while 32% don’t know….that hardly means ‘doesn’t care.’

    The electorate in the South have jumped from FF to FG for decades and if some happen to jump to the Shinners for a while, it doesn’t mean that party are on the rise it means only that the electorate are gluttons for punishment…

  • Morpheus

    No, pretty sure it means on the rise 🙂

  • ArdoyneUnionist

    The Adams cult, sex, police and defamation.


  • Dixie Elliott

    This is what the Southern Electorate can expect of the Shinners should they trust them with their votes….

    It is regarding the campaign to have the Project Kelvin Telehouse returned to Derry:

    On 19th February 2009 Martin McGuinness said

    “I am delighted that the campaign fought by the elected representatives, the business people and supported by the people of has successfully resulted in the reversal of the decision to place the ‘Telehouse’ in Coleraine instead of Derry.
    The revelation by Martina Anderson of the siting of the ‘Telehouse’ in a location other than Derry City sparked a united campaign which has seen the decision reversed.
    Now that the people of derry have won this battle i would encourage the business community to use every contact and influence at their disposal to ensure that this project delivers on the potential for jobs and economic spin-off that this type of facility is capable of attracting. i will be there to support them in these endeavours.

    Not only will it act as a magnet to attract financial services, ICT companies and other high tech providers but it will greatly enhance the capabilities of our own indigenous companies to expand their operations. It could also assist in creating the opportunity for extended faculties at magee university positioning it to gain full independent university status.”

    This was followed up by Martina Anderson, at the Easter Sunday Commemoration -on 4th April 2010 saying

    ” For too long, Derry has been represented by a brand of nationalism that was content to take the crumbs from the table – happy to sit at the back of the bus. It’s time to show that those days are gone. We are no longer second-class citizens and we all have an opportunity to demonstrate that at the May elections,”

    Then McGuinness goes and joins with Peter Robinson in asking the British Chancellor of the Exchequer to locate the Enterprise Zone in Coleraine…

    A case Martina of another bus might be along in a moment you can sit in the back of that if it comes…

  • Dixie Elliott

    Sinn Fein’s political slogan here in the North is ‘We Deliver’ It seems that McGuinness has delivered to the wrong address…


  • Politico68

    Whatever happens after these elections, one thing will be certain, SF will have a much bigger mandate. They will be judged on their policies and overall performance as reps; if the polls translate to votes, they will be the biggest party in Ireland, with more counselors and MEPs than any other party. You guys will simply have to live with that. As much as it stings and as much as you hate SF, you are whistling in the wind. The entirely of the elite political and media establishment have thrown everything at the Shinners to try stop them, it has failed, it will always fail. Our day is here.

  • Morpheus

    The whole thing reminds me of the last time I was on the rollercoaster in Barrys. It’s like we have gone up the slow bit, turned the corner and we’re heading for the fast, exciting bit.

    If the Shinners do well, how long before a ‘crisis’ hits Stormont?

  • cynic2


    The best polls show you have around 22% of the vote in some areas. Don’t get carried away with it. Wrap a pig in a flag and people will vote for it as the DUP have proved for years. It doesn’t mean that the pig is up to the job or will deliver

  • Mark

    AU ,

    Why even mention Gilmour ? He’s already named names . The Judge in his Supergrass trial called him a liar and dismissed all his evidence . Who’s going to believe him now ?

  • Niall Noigiallach


    The next crisis is already in the making I think. I’d give it to November if the Shinners do well. Unionism just isn’t prepared currently for the type of changes that the next 10-15 years are going to bring. Next Saturday will probobly be the worst day in 2014 to be a unionist when all the vote counting has been completed. Interesting times times ahead.

  • Charles_Gould

    There is little point in these “futurung” posts. People rightly don’t take any notice of long range forecasts. And the short range forecasts we can all just wait to see..

  • Niall Noigiallach


    There’s no long range forecasting there. The changes I am referring to are the demographic changes in the North, the fact that there is a much younger nationalist population, the unionist population is much older. Over the next ten years we’ll see anniversaries of 1916 and partition also, these will naturally encourage debate and thought, couple that with the rise of Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail recently stating that by 2019 they hope to be contesting elections in the North. Will Britain still be in the EU? If not what impact will that have here? What if Scotland does vote for independence? All of those changes plus more. Are Unionists really prepared? I don’t think so. Look at the flag protests. Unionism doesn’t do change to a great degree. It’ll be a series of almost haemoraging strokes one after the other over a period of years.

  • Politico68

    Cynic, after the election it is quite possible that the shinners will be the biggest party in Ireland. If they get circa 20% in the 26 counties and 24 % in the north, they will be the leading party on the island.

  • Comrade Stalin


    What sort of changes are you predicting over the course of the next 10-15 years ? I’m assuming that SF are going to do well in next year’s general election and get themselves to the point where they ready to negotiate coalition membership.

    The best way to deal with a problem like Sinn Féin or any other party selling itself as some sort of anti-establishment alternative is to give them a few government ministries, stand back and watch them fuck it up. That’s how the Green Party and the PDs were seen off.

  • Mc Slaggart

    Comrade Stalin

    SF are like FG and FF in that they are a party rooted in the struggle for Irish freedom. The strange case Gerry Adams and case of the murder of a widow mother come to my mind.1

    1The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in “Silver Blaze” by deducing it was the owner of the house who was the criminal. How did he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only person who could have committed the crime without arousing the dog was someone the dog knew as a friend; the dog’s own

  • Comrade Stalin

    Why do you think SF haven’t been in government despite standing for Dáil elections for 30 years then ?

  • Mc Slaggart

    Comrade Stalin

    “Why do you think SF haven’t been in government”

    Eamon Gilmore : Irish labour: Democratic Left : the outworking of the 1970 split in Sinn Féin.

  • Niall Noigiallach


    I’ve mentioned some changes above but mainly the growing nationalist population, possible Fianna Fail candidates in the North and continued growth of Sinn Fein in the South. It all provides a real challenge to Unionism. Is Unionism capable of handling such change?

  • Zeno

    “There’s no long range forecasting there. The changes I am referring to are the demographic changes in the North, the fact that there is a much younger nationalist population,”

    Niall, what demographic are you referring to? It should be obvious to anyone now that Catholics can not just be defined as Nationalists. As the Catholic portion of the electorate increased since the GFA the numbers voting Nationalist have fallen by 48,000.
    49% of the electorate currently describe themselves as neither Unionist or Nationalist and in the under 35 age group that rises to 60%. Nationalists are in a minority and Unionists are only slightly ahead of them.

  • Comrade Stalin


    That doesn’t make any sense. You said that SF are rooted in the struggle for Irish freedom. What did you mean, and what does the 1969 split have to do with it ?


    Zeno got in ahead of me. There may be a growth in the number of people designated as Catholic in the census (even this is questionable) but that does not necessarily translate into an equivalent increase in the numbers likely to vote for reunification. I’m not convinced Fianna Fáil are in any way serious about standing for elections in NI, if they were they would have done it already, and if they eventually do they will be competing for existing nationalist votes, not creating new ones.

    The biggest threat to the union is unionism itself. For me personally the only force that has pushed me towards transferring to nationalists and seriously considering voting for reunification has been the illegal antics of recalcitrant loyalism backed up by the big house Unionists.

    Unionist dickheadery aside, I think northern nationalists are quite happy living under partition, with a devolved government that they exert control and influence over. Why throw all that away to be governed from Dublin by politicians who have no base in NI and probably care as little about us as they do in London, and throw away things like the NHS, the local BBC and so on ? I’m sure there are some SDLP and SF voters who would feel that way.

  • Dixie Elliott

    If it wasn’t for elections The Adamsites would have nothing to look forward to…

    Between now and the next election they’ll be sitting in Westminster with the lesser Adamsites saying ‘ah sure thats another great stride towards a United Ireland… And all the while Marty will have been seen with the British Queen more times than Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris put together…

    And Ó Muilleoir will be Máirtín with ‘Our fighting Boys’ as they return from ‘war’….

  • Morpheus
  • Comrade Stalin


    There would be a modest strategic advantage to SF taking their seats, not least that it would offset the DUP votes.

    But SF will never take the oath. And with the DUP holding Downing Street’s ear it is unlikely that either this administration or the next will consider modifying the oath to suit republicans.

  • Politico68

    CS, Sinn Fein could possibly step aside from westie elections altogether and hand the sdlp the seats to off-set the DUP.

  • Niall Noigiallach

    CS & Zeno,

    You are both right, the rise in number of Catholics does not automatically mean that they will vote for reunification in any future referendum however that is not the point I was making. The last Life & Times survey showed us that catholics, while they may in fact be in favour of the union, do not vote for the main unionist parties, 1% I think the figure was. The facts also tell us that catholics will in fact vote for a nationalist candidate instead. As this continues, what impact will it have on unionism. I’m not talking about about a 32 county republic but an increased nationalist electorate in the north. Is unionism capable of handling that type of change? What about a possible nationalist First Minister, a real possibility in the foreseeable future, but does anyone on this site think for a second that unionism will ever accept that outcome?

    I respect where you’re coming from saying that Fianna Fail maybe aren’t serious about standing for election in the north but thats always the way with things like that. Everyone thinks it wont happen until one day it happens. Like the nationalist majority on Belfast City Council. One day it just happened. Fianna Fail aren’t going to let Sinn Fein do the all-Ireland thing on their own for much longer, their ego demands they should be taking the lead on that. A possibility is that they use northern participation to rejuvenate their party to a certain extent and attempt to shed their present image. Imagine that, FF going all northern while SF go all southern. What if FF do actually fight elections in the north and in around 8-10 years do well and secure a ministry or two? What if they do it and they’re already part of a southern coalition government with SF at the time? Ministers north and south. What impact will that have on unionism?

    I might be thinking out loud a bit but none of that is beyond the realms of possibility. Think of your own lives over the past 10, 15 years whatever. What age were you back then? What changes have you saw and how many changes have there been in your life and how have they shaped you? Things change, and for me, unionism finds it difficult adapting.

  • Politico68


    Excellent synopsis of whats likely to befall. For political nationalism the real push for unity will only come when nationalist politics is dominant in the North – circa 2023. there will be a vote on unity within the next twenty years, that is a certainty. If there is a political party sharing power in Stormont while at the same time in government in Dublin, it will be a very interesting to see how the electorate responds to that. We simply do not know what economic and social conditions might prevail at that time. In so far as the polls show zero interest in Unity at the moment, there is no guarantee that will always be the case. The only thing we know for sure at this present time is, the Protestant Population is in irreversible decline and Unionist voters are disappearing with it. As you correctly point out, political Unionism is heading straight into a very uncomfortable period, how they manage it, is anybody’s guess.