“this Assembly notes the lawful but illogical determination issued by the Parades Commission…”

As the BBC reports, the Northern Ireland Assembly has rejected a tabled Sinn Féin amendment, and supported the DUP’s original motion on the recent north Belfast determination of the Parades Commission by 43 votes to 42 – here’s the Commission’s earlier defence of that decision.  And here’s the resolved text from the NI Assembly

That this Assembly notes the lawful but illogical determination issued by the Parades Commission on 9 July 2013 in relation to the application by the three Ligoniel Orange Lodges for a parade in Belfast on 12 July 2013; further notes the consequences of the determination and its outworking in that attempts to build a shared future have been harmed by the actions of those who oppose the concept of sharing space and respecting cultural identity; and calls, not only for the rule of law to be upheld, but also for respect and tolerance to be shown for everyone’s cultural identity.

And, from the BBC report

Addressing MLAs, First Minister Peter Robinson called for the debate to be carried out in a “measured way” because of the “tension” and “volatility” of the situation.

He condemned the violence over the weekend and said those involved in attacking police officers should be in jail.

The first minister said the Parades Commission had got it “completely wrong” and said its decision had been made for “political reasons”.

Mr Robinson said an all-party group had been set up with the “purpose of agreeing an alternative to the Parades Commission”.

That would be the ‘all-party’ group announced in May – with 3 representatives from the DUP, 3 from Sinn Féin and 2 each from the other 3 Executive parties.  Now to be chaired by Richard Haass…

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  • Morpheus

    What way does this work? The Assembly was recalled, there are 108 MLAs in the Assembly but the votes were 43-42. I am no Albert Einstein but that adds up to 85. Where are the votes of the other 23?

  • Pete Baker

    They were either not there for the debate/vote, or they abstained.

  • Pete Baker

    It’s not rocket science…

  • Morpheus

    Condescending much? Can’t I ask a simple question?

    This issue was deemed important enough for Stormont to be recalled and over 20% didn’t vote. David McNarry was there even though he has a stint put in yesterday.

  • SK

    As delightful as ever there, Pete.

  • brian2013

    Interesting that there wasn’t a petition of concern lodged. Were SF and SDLP happy enough to allow the Unionist parties let off some steam?

  • foyle observer

    Unbelievable.

    William Humphreys MLA took time to blame Nationalists for putting the statue of Mary on that loyalist ‘bonefire’.

    He should be utterly ashamed of himself but then the DUP are ashamed of absolutely nothing.

  • David Crookes

    Whether anyone likes it or not, the PC is part of the government of NI. By condemning a decision of the PC, the boneheaded MLAs are voting for instability. The fascist thugs who are planning to cause trouble tonight will ignore all the ritual lines about condemning violence, but they will applaud their MLAs for condemning a decision of the PC.

    Westminster, the PSNI, and the PC will have to stand firm both against the lawbreakers and against their lackeys in Stormont.

  • Gopher

    The result outcome of today’s vote was not strange at all. After the annual reading last night at the Percy Bysshe Shelley society Dunnamanagh, this year it was the “Masque of Anarchy” coincidentally. The consensus among the patrons was this was a vote SF were quite happy to lose. Keeps alive the big Orange bogey man for another year . It was also rumoured around drinks the DUP would not have been unhappy to lose today in a dead rubber debate. The Society hope to book Stormont next year as they have been impressed by the theatrics.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Guys, this is democracy in action.

    Our government has officially voted to slam the Parades Commission’s pro-violence decision as ‘illogical’. Hopefully this will lead the quick demise of this wickedly sectarian, unaccountable body and we can enter a new era of respect and tolerance of all cultures and identities in Northern Ireland.

    If you don’t like today’s decision you are anti-democracy – there’s no other way to look at it.

  • NOT NOW JOHN

    UPC – That wasn’t a government decision – that was an Assembly decision. I thought you above all people would understand the difference between Assembly and the Executive – if you don’t, one really begins to wonder what your support for the commemoration of the Glorious Revolution is all about.

  • Johnny Boy

    Humphreys’ silly claims aside, this seemed like a refreshingly restrained debate (by usual standards). Of course a lot of nonsense was talked, but if the Parades Commission is the sacrificial lamb that precipitates a genuine move towards resolution; that’s a pretty good result.

  • Sweetcheeks

    UPC – would you say that those who “don’t like” Belfast City Council’s vote back in December 2012 with regard to the flying of the Union Jack are “anti-democracy”?

  • Morpheus

    What happens if/when the replacement for the PC doesn’t say what the OO wants to hear? Do we just keep going until we find one that suits an organisation that’s membership makes up less than 2% of the entire population of Northern Ireland?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Sweetcheeks: UPC – would you say that those who “don’t like” Belfast City Council’s vote back in December 2012 with regard to the flying of the Union Jack are “anti-democracy”?

    You seem to have missed my point…

  • NOT NOW JOHN

    “What happens if/when the replacement for the PC doesn’t say what the OO wants to hear?”

    Morpheus, that is the elephant in the room. I will leave it to those calling for the abolition of the PC and its replacement by something different to answer that question. However my money is on there never being a replacement on the basis that the OO/DUP lot will not agree to anything that won’t be guaranteed to do their bidding as was the case in the days of the old Stormont when the RUC took parades decisions.

  • seamas

    Morpheus. You’ve hit the nail on the head. The Orange Order has to accept that the authorities, in whatever guise, have a right to restrict the right to parade. The courts are there to ensure the authorities don’t over step the mark. It’s very telling that throughout all the parade disputes the OO have never went to court.

  • Johnny Boy

    Replacing the PC opens a door for OO, it just has to be hoped that they march through.

  • Kevsterino

    I think the Orange Order messes up their image every summer, by being seemingly more anachronistic each year. They will probably hang on for another 50 years or so, but compared to what they once were, they are already impotent. That makes them surly. Unless they get used to the idea that they march with the permission of their neighbors, they will look more like bullies every time they don’t get their way because of whatever regulating body disagrees with their analysis.

    Northern Ireland is changing. They can either be part of that change, or will diminish ever further in their influence.

  • Morpheus

    The OO have been ranting about the ‘non-elected and non-accountable’ Parade’s Commission. OK, how about we hand control over to those who were elected and are accountable to the electorate? Shall we put it out to the local councils to decide if the parades in their local area should or should not go ahead?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Kevsterino: I think the Orange Order messes up their image every summer, by being seemingly more anachronistic each year. They will probably hang on for another 50 years or so, but compared to what they once were, they are already impotent. That makes them surly. Unless they get used to the idea that they march with the permission of their neighbors, they will look more like bullies every time they don’t get their way because of whatever regulating body disagrees with their analysis.

    Northern Ireland is changing. They can either be part of that change, or will diminish ever further in their influence.

    You must have missed the 500,000 people marching/spectating throughout NI on Friday.

    I have never seen so many people watching the Belfast twelfth parade as I did this year. The numbers seem to get bigger every year as the world gets to know about one of the biggest, most unique cultural events in the world. Keep dreaming about the OO’s demise – it ain’t going to happen.

  • Sweetcheeks

    “500,000” !!!

    LMFAO, PSML, LOLZ, etc.

  • Kevsterino

    I think the more the world knows about 11th night traditional hate-fests, the less attractive it becomes. Excepting of course places that hate the Irish and Catholics as much as in loyalist Ulster. But that isn’t a very big market.

    I had to laugh at the politician who said he had no problem with a tricolour on a bonfire. You can’t connect with normal people with that bullshit!

  • Is being delusional a trait of trolls?

  • Kevsterino

    Sometimes it appears to me that UPC is just a sock-puppet. Is that a delusion, Joe? I mean, I can’t get my head around the idea that a real person looks at the world through such restrictive blinkers.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Sweetcheeks: “500,000″ !!!

    LMFAO, PSML, LOLZ, etc.

    “The Orange Order said the parades had firmly established the annual national holiday as a major tourist attraction.

    “Some half-a-million people either took part in parades or lined the routes of 18 demonstrations,” a spokesman said.

    “The day’s events highlighted the organisational ability of the Orange Order, in particular with its five flagship Twelfths in Portrush, Newtownstewart, Cookstown, Hillsborough and Antrim, which all lived up to their billing.”

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/glorious-twelfth-is-now-a-major-tourist-attraction-1-1866638

  • NOT NOW JOHN

    “….they will look more like bullies every time they don’t get their way because of whatever regulating body disagrees with their analysis.

    The Orange Order rarely get its way. Indeed it has a remarkable history of failing to get its way. It is worth noting that the Orange Order opposed the Act of Union, it opposed Catholic Emancipation, it opposed Home Rule for Ireland, it opposed O’Neill’s reforms, it opposed one-man-one-vote, it opposed the suspension of the old Stormont, it opposed power sharing, it opposed the Anglo-Irish Agreement, it opposed the Good Friday Agreement, it opposed the parade policy at Drumcree and it opposed the designated days flag flying policy at BCH. Of course all these came to pass in spite of the opposition of the Orange Order and it supporters. One would think that such a history of remarkable failure would make it question its judgement, but not a bit of it. If at first you don’t succeed, fail, fail and fail better.

    The Orange Order appears to get British and Irish public opinion so wrong so often that it almost calls into question the laws of averages. Is this time to be any different? The idea that abolishing the Parades Commission and replacing it with something different will lead to it getting a clear run on parading is clearly fantasy thinking.

  • Sweetcheeks

    Oh right, the Orange Order said that 0.5m people turned out – must be true then.

    Do you have an independent source to back up your ridiculous claim? No? Didn’t think so.

  • Sweetcheeks

    Why the hell did Joe get a ‘yellow’? F**king ridiculous.

  • Pete Baker

    Focus gentlemen…

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Sweetcheeks: Oh right, the Orange Order said that 0.5m people turned out – must be true then.

    Do you have an independent source to back up your ridiculous claim? No? Didn’t think so.

    The Newsletter printed it so obviously they believe the numbers.

  • Am Ghobsmacht

    UPC

    “You must have missed the 500,000 people marching/spectating throughout NI on Friday.

    I have never seen so many people watching the Belfast twelfth parade as I did this year. The numbers seem to get bigger every year as the world gets to know about one of the biggest, most unique cultural events in the world”

    If there was indeed ‘500 000’ (?!) then logically a fair whack of them must be foreigners, who, perhaps, as you say were there to witness the big day.

    Good.

    Which would then surely mean that in order to keep these people coming or indeed increase their number (for the good of the local economy) we should implement practices that would proudly showcase the big day.

    I ask you then, in the interests of good PR and marketing, which of the following should be implemented:

    1 a/ More burning of foreign flags at bonfires b/ less burning of foreign flags at bonfires

    2 a/ More environmentally friendly bonfires b/ less environmentally friendly bonfires

    3 a/ More public drinking b/ less public drinking

    4 a/ More disrespecting the wishes of local clergy and residents b/ less disrespecting the wishes of local clergy and residents

    I’m just curious and depending on your answers might send them as suggestions to the tourist boards of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia and Serbia so that they may/may not gain from the lesser known practices for building a greater public image by burning each other’s flags for all the world to see…

    It is a fantastic day out and very impressive and I personally thoroughly enjoyed myself and was glad that my foreign wife enjoyed it too.

    I simply can’t comprehend how the overall performance of the day will be in anyway diminished by not burning tri-colours, respecting the environment or by not playing outside of certain places of worship.

    ————-

    Anyhoo, with regards to Sinn Fein not putting up a petition of concern, well, some one hit the nail on the head earlier, so to summarise, “why slay the goose that lays the golden egg?”

  • Sweetcheeks

    Once again, you’re deliberately twisting things to suit your own ends. Just like last night when you lied through your teeth about something that UTV’s Mark Mallett had tweeted: do you think we all can’t read or use twitter?

  • Comrade Stalin

    I’m glad that the choice was made not to deploy a Petition of Concern against this motion, which is one which is of symbolic significance only. The moral high ground is the place to be.

    The motion which passed is unacceptable because it sought, implicitly, to shift the focus of blame to the Parades Commission which is unacceptable given what has occurred since the motion was tabled.

    And I am at a loss as to how unionists can demand respect and tolerance when William Humphrey is willing to stand up and tell some cock and bull story about how a statue came to be on a bonfire that nobody in their right mind would believe. How can unionists demand respect and trust while actively trying to deceive the public about transgressions emanating from their own quarter ?

    They’re also digging a hole for themselves over the Parades Commission. A fundamental tenet in any negotiation is to never let your opponent know what you are thinking. Every time unionists bitch about it in public, nationalists make a mental note to increase the price they will demand in exchange for its abolition.

  • diarmaid

    If anything this decision today shows what the DUP and Unionism would do if majority rule was restored, and hopefull is a shot accross the bow of the SDLP about getting involved or any more chattin about going to form an opposiiton with the UUP. When it comes to it, unfortunately still, Unionist will vote along that way when they don’t get what they want, and will disobey the law and their political parties will justify that as they have shown wit hthe response to the flag protests and to this.

    How they cannot comprehend that the OO calling people to the streets created this, and they forget, they marched up the road in the morning, whats all the fuss about having to mach back down it in the evening. Its unnecessary disruption to the people who live there. go and march via your own street, outside your own house and leave the rest of us to supporting our families.

    I am disgusted. My mother is in the city hospital for treatment and I was unable to visit on friday as I work and live in the south and was afraid in a southern reg car that day (friday) or over weekend i would be targetted – from the looks of how they attacked the police i dont think my concerns were unresonable.

    also all this nonsense about the tourism of the parades. look at the caravan sites in co donegal in the summer – full of belfast residents, and from other areas of ni, they empty. look at their main march in derry – if it brough so much tourists – why is it that trade was slow and a worse day for business in the city. this is their flagship event – it scared people from the town – on a weekend when cities accross the south and the uk enjoyed a bonanza because of the weather, the north was dead! the pubs and restaunants and parks and city centres all accross the south and uk were buzzing with people as loyalists rioted and recked belfast and people in derry left for the seaside south. lost revenue to ni.

  • babyface finlayson

    I’m struggling to see the point of this ‘debate’ with an outcome of a one vote majority. Will any legislation flow from it?
    As Pete says, the all party working group had already been established, so this, it seems to me, was merely a bit of sabre (ceremonial sword) rattling.

  • JB [6.36] Except of course the OO are, or seem to be under immpression that axing the Parades body would see a return to the good old days when they could march unfettered, but they’ll just get another govt body – this time with increased legal clout. Ardoyne will join Drumcree in the lost lands for Orange. The past is orange the future is 5h1te.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Comrade Stalin: The motion which passed is unacceptable…

    Why are you anti-democracy?

  • Ulster Press Centre

    diarmaid: If anything this decision today shows what the DUP and Unionism would do if majority rule was restored, and hopefull is a shot accross the bow of the SDLP about getting involved or any more chattin about going to form an opposiiton with the UUP.

    I take it you condemn the flag vote on Belfast City Council also???

  • Gopher

    @ diarmaid

    Just to fill you in on the plot of the pantomime today on the hill today. A legendary football manager was once asked before an end of season game in which having wrapped up the league was unimportant to him against a team threatened with relegation if they lost, “An easy three points today?” “Are you f****** joking” came the reply “That’s six points next season”

    Penny beginning to drop yet? The whole debate was pointless, nothing at stake but in other news UUP were forced to vote for a DUP motion helping Peter leech further votes from the suckers (no daylight left there), Big Jim got pacified, Agnew’s seat got slightly more untenable and NI 21 are traitors (who cares the people that might support them a/ dont vote b/ dont vote DUP) just like Alliance (bye bye east Belfast). The only thing that went wrong for the DUP today is they managed to win the vote and wernt able to claim an all out cultural assault against unionism (sic).

    SF of course were much to smart to win this this vote, seriously when have you not seen SF try their b***** off in a competitive vote when a petition of concern was as easy as crossing the road. No today was a day to look statesman like and screw a few more voters off the SDLP. QED you prove how easy it all is for them, classic in one non issue vote any attempt the SDLP have of becoming relevant is up in smoke because SF inflate the Big Orange Bogeyman will run Northern Ireland and you buy into it.

    So to paraphrase SF and the DUP run a panto up here which requires the stupidity of the other parties and violence or the threat of to operate

    BTW you would be perfectly safe on the Lisburn Rd on the 12th Southern plates or not. You might have to dodge a few drunks but that is about it plus you would get to see how lamentable the big orange bogeyman is.

  • NOTNOWJOHN[7.34] Very true, and in fact you could interchange the OO list of failures to get its way , with Ian Paisley who tried to turn back these historic tides and has a political failure to show for every decade of the troubles.
    His only success [on his own terms is entirely due to Trimble’s gamble in 1999 which cause a tsumi of UUP voters over to DUP and if that trimble gift hadn’t happened, the DUP would still be also-rans in unionism.

  • brian2013

    “You must have missed the 500,000 people marching/spectating throughout NI on Friday.

    I have never seen so many people watching the Belfast twelfth parade as I did this year. The numbers seem to get bigger every year as the world gets to know about one of the biggest, most unique cultural events in the world. Keep dreaming about the OO’s demise – it ain’t going to happen”

    Comedy gold.

    I did miss it, and only saw the reports on the national and international news. You know: the riots, baton rounds, water cannon, petrol bombs, Nigel Dodds being carried off to A&E, all that stuff that tourists just can’t get enough of.

  • Pete Baker

    Again.

    Focus gentlemen…

  • UserAinm

    Pete,

    There’s not a lot to say, it was a sham fight, an irrelevance.

  • NOT NOW JOHN

    damielsmoran, yes indeed, and both the Orange Order and Paisley always succeeded in dragging the loyalist mob along with them in a manner similar to that which the Orange Order is doing today. It was only when David Ervine came along that the loyalist working class gained a leadership able to think for itself and prepared to work for its own interests rather than some promised grand unionist paradise in the sky.

    I longed to ask Paisley as he chuckled his way through those North/South meetings in Dublin with Martin McGuiness and the Irish Foreign Minister (revelling in the attention now given to him in his exalted position) how his ‘Smash Sinn Fein’, ‘No Dublin Interference’, and ‘No to the Good Friday Agreement’ campaigns were going.

    Of course Paisley now walks the plush corridors of the HOL along with his good Lady wife while his son sits safely in his father’s seat in the HOC far from the maddening crowd. Meanwhile the sons of the Loyal Sons of Ulster who supported him in his prime still get arrested and jailed doing the Orange Order’s bidding. Who is looking foolish now?

  • Hopping The Border

    “The Orange Order appears to get British and Irish public opinion so wrong so often that it almost calls into question the laws of averages.

    One of the best lines I have seen on this site in sometime.

    Also just to point out that the article from which UPC quotes from is dated 13.07.2010.

    I would have thought a man so enthralled with parading would know that the flagship event was in Derry this year, and not as he quotes “cookstown” etc.

    In relation to today’s proceedings, rather uneventful bar some ridiculous claims from the DUP.

    What will be interesting is how NI21 set out their stall on parades.

    As was mentioned most “nationalists” seem happy for parades to proceed provided it’s not done in the “we march where we want, if it offends you, tough” mindset and supporters etc behave themselves, the question is whether there are unionist votes in taking a firmer line on disciplined parading.

    Speaking to various unionists I know there seems to be, but it is a brave step for any union party to take.

    Also in relation to the GAA/Irish on TV point made by UPC, surely even where you live you have more than one channel, and in any event, as I have asked before, how can an entire language be offensive? Bizzare.

  • Hopping the border[11.29] third paragraph from end
    Aye, there’s the rub. The conduct of the urban lodges caused the ‘contentious parades’ that’s why the big five [thus far and no further] parades of which two are now doomed to the dustbin of history, Drumcree and Ardoyne, is the Waterloo of Orangism. This is where the media fall into the trap of comparing hundreds of marches and then, from that they wonder aloud why these five core OO hatefests cause such angst. The reeality is the ‘hundreds of parades are organised precisely as window dressing to dwarf the core parades. Two of which are, as I said earlier, are now history, explaining the riots over ardoyne.

  • Fact: The USA faked the moon landings.
    Fact: The Israelis destroyed the World Trade Center.
    Fact: MI5 murdered princess Diana.

    And so on.

  • Hopping The Border

    What are the other three?

    I’ve never heard of this big five theory before so it’s a genuine question?

    As regards parading stopping at certain points/re-routing parades is not the answer in my opinion (i.e. Obins street) which leaves two possibilities:

    (1) Orders/bandsmen/supporters/buckfastboys behave themselves

    (2) Feeder parades are abolished and parading moves to starting in CBDs of towns progressing to “the field” where it finishes (nuclear option).

  • Comrade Stalin

    What will be interesting is how NI21 set out their stall on parades.

    Alliance and NI21 both performed superbly in the Assembly today and both backed the Sinn Féin amendment which supported the Parades Commission and the police, and called for mutual respect and dialogue on the issue.

    There was no messing about from Basil. I think this is because both he and Alliance know that they have no need to be ambiguous on this one.

  • Sp12

    The news today
    A bunch of young earth proponents pass judgement on what’s logical and what’s not.
    Rioting continues.

  • Hopping the Border[12.21] I admit the ‘five’ core marches is my take, but from what I see, the hundreds of rural marches which are non-contentious, appear to be pre-arrangd to swamp the urban lodge parades which have become notorious because of the conduct of marchers there. My 5 list includes Drumcree, Whiterock, Ormeau, Short Strand and Ardoyne. Others are non contentious because marchers behave with respect to their hosts.

  • JH

    If ever there was an indication that this assembly is markedly out of kilter with the thrust of public opinion it’s that this motion passed at all with the wording it had.

    Our society is paying the debt of voting for stability at the expense of policy at the last election. It’s our mistake to endure until the next. It should not be made again.

  • @UPC,

    “Comrade Stalin: The motion which passed is unacceptable…

    Why are you anti-democracy?”

    A major part of democracy is respect for the rule of law–respect for legal decision-making bodies is part of that. Democracy is also not just about majority rights but about minority rights as well. Maybe you don’t realize this because of the quality of “democracy” that has existed in this corner of the UK for most of its existence.

  • babyface finlayson

    danielsmoran
    “‘hundreds of parades are organised precisely as window dressing to dwarf the core parades.”
    I don’t see any particular evidence for that. The hundreds of rural parades predate the trouble at your big 5.
    My impression is that rural lodges look at what is happening with bemusement and embarrassment.. They have their day out and go home to milk the cows. No time for riots.

  • Ulster Press Centre

    Hopping The Border: Also in relation to the GAA/Irish on TV point made by UPC, surely even where you live you have more than one channel, and in any event, as I have asked before, how can an entire language be offensive? Bizzare.

    It’s interesting that you think if I am offended by the sectarian GAA on my television I should just change the channel, yet if I were to say the people of Ardoyne should stay in their homes during a 15 minute protestant parade along Crumlin Road I would be being offensive/discriminatory/provocative/etc.

    An interesting insight into the NI Nationalist mindset….

  • Ulster Press Centre

    tmitch57: A major part of democracy is respect for the rule of law–respect for legal decision-making bodies is part of that. Democracy is also not just about majority rights but about minority rights as well. Maybe you don’t realize this because of the quality of “democracy” that has existed in this corner of the UK for most of its existence.

    And yet I seem to have missed your condemnation of Belfast City Council’s sectarian, anti-protestant decision to rip down our national flag from city hall a few months back…….

    Is majority rule ok as long as it’s the prods suffering from it???

  • Ulster Press Centre

    danielsmoran: I admit the ‘five’ core marches is my take, but from what I see, the hundreds of rural marches which are non-contentious, appear to be pre-arrangd to swamp the urban lodge parades which have become notorious because of the conduct of marchers there. My 5 list includes Drumcree, Whiterock, Ormeau, Short Strand and Ardoyne. Others are non contentious because marchers behave with respect to their hosts.

    Those five are contentious because Sinn Fein and their catholic fundamentalist travelers made them so.

    At the Athboy conference Gerry Adams painted a different picture. ‘What if you ask any activist in the south what was the big eye-opener this summer, Drumcree… a big eye-opener… Ask any activist in the north did Drumcree happen by accident and they will tell you, no. Three years of work on the Lower Ormeau Road, Portadown and in parts of Fermanagh, in Newry, Armagh and in Bellaghy and up in Derry. Three years work went into creating that situation. And fair play to the people who put that work in. And they are the type of scene changes that we have to focus in on and develop and exploit.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Long-War-Sinn-Fein/dp/0862786061

  • Barnshee

    The Decision by the PC WAS stupid Parade down but not up?

    It should have been Parade or no Parade full stop

    (I am amazed the OO can still walk having shot themselves in the foot so many times)

  • Barnshee. I suppose the PC deduced the morning walk would be long over by the time the hooligans managed to seperate themselves from their buckfast sodden matresses, so there wouldn’t be any bother, but it’s still illogigal to let one and not the other.

  • Morpheus

    “It should have been Parade or no Parade full stop”

    It’s called compromise Barnshee, neither side got what they wanted.

  • flockofseagulls

    Observation: Unionist MPs and MLAs appear to “re-act” whenever there is physical violence emanating from within a particular section of the Unionist community.

    What do they do when there is no crisis ?
    I would apply the inactivity label to nationalist politicians also when things are calm. What is stormont doing for the population as a whole ?
    Where are the inniatives ? New ideas, legislation, strategy for things that are really important to the vast majority ?

  • Barnshee

    “It’s called compromise Barnshee, neither side got what they wanted.”

    its part of the same stupidity that put a time limit on Last year thinking the prods would never get back to met it Prods bus in and walk– PC exposed as brain dead– and they do it again this year ( a bit miffed at last year I suppose)

  • Kevsterino

    One declaration I remember hearing often that I haven’t heard in a long time is “Where Orangemen can’t walk, Protestants can’t live.”

    Is this no longer the case?

  • Hopping The Border

    “An interesting insight into the NI Nationalist mindset….”

    There is something of a difference between thousands of marchers descending on an area outside your home, telling you you are a second class citizen (http://tinyurl.com/pey39cg @1.14) and singing and songs calculated to offend having just spent the night before burning anything connected to your religion and culture and having GAA games available on one channel of the multitude available to you for a couple of hours a year.

    But you knew that.