Robinson tells Cameron he’s playing a ‘powerless-inside-the-union card’ on Scotland…

I was asked yesterday why neither of the two leaders in Northern Ireland said much on the subject of Scottish independence. This may be one reason. Expressing his frustration with the lack of progress on corpo tax, the First Minister said this:

“What, effectively, you are saying to the people of Scotland is that if you want more fiscal autonomy than you have at the present time, the only way to have it is through independence. That is the wrong message for the Government to be giving to the people of Scotland.”

Risky (his more cautious colleague keeps it battened down), but in a funny sort of way part of the DUP’s almost unique “devolutionist” positioning on the Union…

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  • OneNI

    The DUP has the electoral support of 0.6% of the electorate of the Union – down 0.3% on previous GE.

  • FDM

    Risky (his more cautious colleague keeps it battened down), but in a funny sort of way part of the DUP’s almost unique “devolutionist” positioning on the Union…

    ———————

    If you accept that they are not actually “unionists” then you will understand Peters point of view quite readily.

    Theo-nationalism is what Peter and co. are offering,

    The unionist claptrap is just a means of keep the Catholic Irish types in their box.

  • FDM ‘if you accept they are not actually ‘unionists’ then you will understand Peter’s point of view quite readily’

    That covers it totallyFDM. The kind of unionism practised by the DUP is strictly of the mercenary variety and amounts to telling whitehall to ‘keep the money coming, and any of your laws we don’t like we won’t have them here’. Having cake and eating in other words.

  • BarneyT

    Interesting FDM and Daniels

    It seems that corporation tax is just one area that the DUP are prepared to see united in Irish terms. Surely true unionism would accept tax levels deemed appropriate to the other elements of the UK?

  • Morpheus

    @BarneyT

    “true unionism” would also accept the ruling of the Parades Commission which was brought in under UK legislation. Still, here we are…

  • Brian Walker

    I missed this story when I was combing the Herald. Has anyone else reported it? Our guys have a point in ticking off Cameron for sitting on his hands in the lead-in to the Scottish referendum .

    I argue below that the unionist side may be trying to get their act together at last. Trouble is, corporation tax is very divisive. Once one lot gets it the others demand it and England isn’t going to be left out. Clearly another one per cent is all anybody’s getting for the time being at least . I’ve never pinned much hope on a breakthrough, despite Owen Paterson’s campaign. It might have been kinder of the Treasury to have ruled it out for this Parliament a couple of years ago.

    And we can rule out fiscal autonomy for Stormont for as far as the eye can see. For one thing our tax base it too small and we will always need some bailout from Westminster.

  • FDM

    @Brian Walker

    “For one thing our tax base it too small and we will always need some bailout from Westminster.”

    ——————————-

    Only in a “unionist” built world would your comfort blanket be the fact that you are a economic and political basket-case. A gibbering, penniless dysfunctional wreck.

    Rather than try and stand on your two feet in the world lets hold out the begging bowl and look shamefully toward the ground.

    Well if thats all that “unionism” has to offer then you can have it. I have some pride and I am for standing on my own two feet.

    Unsustainable economic positions will not survive in the long term. At some point the English are going to point you to the stands.

    “Stand up for the Ulstermen?” Don’t they have to get off their begging knees first?

  • BarneyT

    NI will need GB to sustain it…and it’s clearly a precarious existence. They can’t exist alone clearly so it’s either GB (constantly forking out) or a stronger “relationship” with the ROI to create an economic entity that can trade and sell itself and exist as one. And we know what that discussion leads to, resulting in the inevitable stalemate as sovereignty raises its head once more.

    Many argue that a United Ireland is economic suicide however surely it’s time now to regard it as the longer term viable option as the GB handout can’t go on forever and the wee six is just not viable.

  • Morpheus

    ‘More loyal to the half-crown than the crown’ springs to mind, eh FDM? Granted that is not as funny in new money but we are where we are – have you any suggestions on how we go about standing on our own two feet and loosing the begging bowl?

  • FDM [4.46] I heard Jeffrey Donaldson on the radio extolling the virtues of the union to NI nationalists and to Scots and top of his list was the subsidy. and the welfare state. Which is funny because the NHS and welfare were forced over the heads of his predecessors in the UUP in the late 1940s, who, at election campaign back then called the NHS communism. There’s not a lot of pride or self respect evident in unionism these days if that’s their main reason for being advocates of squeezing the English pips until they squeaked.

  • BarneyT[1.49] Ah, but that would imply unionist loyalty to their English fellow citizens, and that is completely absent as ever was in 1974 and 1998.

  • Neil

    Here’s former ‘canny political operator’ Robinson, doing his best to underline for Salmond just one more time a nice ready made argument to use against call me Dave in the Scottish debate: “I think David Cameron will live to regret the decision because if I were Alex Salmond I would be saying to the Scottish people devolution is so inflexible that even when you make a good case for the devolution of powers, Westminster refuses.”

    Having done so throwing in this quote for good measure “Even if in 2014 the Prime Minister was to take the wrong decision in my view it doesn’t make the policy wrong, it makes his decision wrong.” I think that’s Pete’s version of flattery.

    http://www.u.tv/News/NI-not-giving-up-on-corporation-tax/ba388002-5a0c-491c-a72e-e67dd7ee83ad

    Call Me Dave’s going to wish he’d never heard of this part of the world.

    For my money I say if they got it they’d have a half dozen reports on the merits of a reduction then after several years conclude it’s not really a goer and shelve the whole idea.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Daniel:

    Which is funny because the NHS and welfare were forced over the heads of his predecessors in the UUP in the late 1940s, who, at election campaign back then called the NHS communism.

    I’m reasonably sure this is not true. The NI government at the time was entirely within its rights not to create a public health service or a welfare state here. But, as is still the case today, the British allocated the funds in the block grant so they brought it in anyway on the basis that they had nothing to lose. It was not done over their heads.

  • anne warren

    So Mr Robinson is telling Mr Cameron
    “That is the wrong message for the Government to be giving to the people of Scotland.”

    In Sept 2012 Mr Robinson talked of defending Scotland’s place in the UK with a Saltire in one hand and a Union flag. Does that slogan remind anyone of another?

    Unionists want a vote in the Scottish referendum
    A leading Orangeman in Northern Ireland called for Ulster Scots living in the province to get the vote in 2014.
    “We are stakeholders as well,” said The Grand Lodge’s David Hume (now there’s a Scottish name with pedigree) before adding: “Surely a decision such as this should not ignore our input?”
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/as-others-see-us-the-view-from-northern-ireland.2012099521

    The DUP wants to partition Scotland
    SCOTLAND should be partitioned if particular areas reject independence but a majority votes Yes, says Ulster Unionist Party former deputy leader John Taylor, now Baron Kilclooney

  • anne warren

    Sorry forgot to add question before hitting send!!

    Are these the right messages for the Government to be giving to the people of Scotland?

  • Comrade Stalin

    I wonder how David Hume would take the question of Irish Americans voting in any border referendum here. After all, surely they are stakeholders and that we should not ignore their input.

  • GavBelfast

    This is YET another thread which shows that many Irish nationalists, including or more accurately especially those who don’t actually live in or have investment in Ireland other than as wacky keyboard generals, just don’t GET British citizens in NI who want to see NI continue to be part of the UK, for the good of NI as a whole.

    So Unionists (the Unionist people?) didn’t want the NHS, or other benefits of being part of the UK? Or, if they do,. it’s just part of squeezing money out of the English?

    Guys: you just don’t get these people you mock and criticise. Yet you want to unite with them (well, some of you do, others want to ignore them or see them swim for it).

    Still if it amuses ….

  • FDM

    @GavBelfast

    Gavin did it ever occur to you that Irish people in the north east part of the island

    DON’T

    a. want to be beggars or be seen as beggars in the world.
    b. want to be beholden to some hooray henry Lomdon city banker or essex builder.
    c. want to be seen by other Europeans as isolationist troublemakers.
    d. want to be associated with the British Army, Navy and Airforce using the rest of the world as some sort of safari park/gunnery-range where the locals are the game.
    e. want to be associated with the xenophobic views that UK nationals are seen as holding.
    f. want to be associated with the butchery and excess that was the British Empire and the tarnished view the world has of British nationals.
    g. want to be attacked by muslims because we are seen to have assaulted muslim countries and individuals.

    DO

    1. want to be self-determining.
    2. want to form a positive financial place in the world and not consign ourselves to a dependent state forever.
    3. forward our own foreign policy which forges close relationships with Europe and has extremely positive and productive relationships with the wider world.
    4. want to nuture our culture, language, arts, dance, music, literature, science, engineering etc…
    5. want to become the ecomomic powerhouse of the island rather than some backwater inconvenience to England.
    6. want to walk around the world with at least a clean slate with the individuals that we meet out there, sans baggage.
    7. want to work for Ireland to have its “time in the sun”.

    Preferably we can get to 1 to 7 without “unionist” beggars holding us back for another hundred years.

  • Comrade Stalin[9.02] I’m sure I read this from a published source and unionist party figures in the election[s] in late 40s/early 50s calling the NHS communism, which would fit with their far-right politics back then. They were hostile at the very least to the 1948 welfare reform act in place in Britain by Atlee’s government.

  • GavBelfast

    FDM,

    You make my point for me – nicely written, and quite pseudo-intellectual actually, but neo-nationalist drivel all the same.

    The worst of both ‘sides’ here, whether they actually live in NI or just cheerlead / taunt / pontificate from outside, really are as each other.

    A pity other people who ARE broadly prepared to compromise and live-and-let-live a bit are adversely affected by such people!

  • Reader

    danielsmoran: I’m sure I read this from a published source and unionist party figures in the election[s] in late 40s/early 50s calling the NHS communism, which would fit with their far-right politics back then. They were hostile at the very least to the 1948 welfare reform act in place in Britain by Atlee’s government.
    The rhetoric was little more than the Conservative rhetoric of the era – remember that the NHS was a UK Labour project, and Labour here had been squeezed to near oblivion by the cunning communal politics of the Unionist party.
    However, they didn’t have to be forced to accept the NHS – they were just bribed by central government. But fair enough, since the NHS was largely founded on Marshall plan support which was used in other countries to rebuild shattered industries.

  • BluesJazz
  • FDM

    @BluesJazz

    http://www.newsletter.co.uk/community/your-view/frustrated-by-inability-to-express-britishness-1-4944658#.UVQ_nwFn2OY.facebook

    well said that man
    ————————————-

    From the article…

    “in favour of their ethno-religious, parochial, Ulster-Protestant nationalism.”

    This reads strangely familiar [raises eyebrow in Roger-Mooresque way]. I think I got a finger-lashing from Comrade Stalin for expressing the same sentiments last week? When I wrote it I was a sectarian bigot?

    However not to detract from IJPs more articulate and clearly content-rich addition to the debate.

    Well said that man.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I think I got a finger-lashing from Comrade Stalin for expressing the same sentiments last week?

    The sentiments that you expressed sought to characterise anyone whose views you found disagreeable as “Protestant” which is absolutely not the same thing.

    The statement that the unionism espoused in the modern age by the UUP and DUP is ethno-religious parochial Ulster-Protestant nationalism is a statement of fact in my opinion.

  • FDM

    @Comrade Pravda

    “The sentiments that you expressed sought to characterise anyone whose views you found disagreeable as “Protestant” which is absolutely not the same thing.”

    —————————————-

    I tell you what I will do then.

    Here is the link, here is the time.
    11 March 2013 at 9:38am

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2013/03/09/the-judges-are-right-to-speak-out-against-coat-trailing-politicians/comment-page-4/#comments

    You make your own mind up people!

    Particularly notice IJPs use of the phrase “protestant nationalist”. You know the one that had Comrade Stalin calling me a sectarian bigot? Is IJP a sectarian bigot then against protestants? I’m confused CS? Please explain???

  • DC

    Below is a video of those at the opposite end of IJP, people who are not so comfortable about things (with a SF involvement) and have been hurting and recognise ‘an imperfect peace’ when they see one:

  • FDM

    There we were having a something approaching a sensible debate. Then DC comes in…

    2:32 in the video.

    “Today is a very big day in Unionist culture”.

    says jamie.

    Whats that Unionist flag on the right?

    Its the Israeli flag.

    Roy Bradford was right, they are the lost 13th tribe of Israel!

    Christ the night…

  • DC

    I was thinking more along the lines of 3:47 in:

  • FDM

    For what it’s worth I’ve enjoyed reading what you’ve had to say and note that aside from hysterical straw men and man playing few have actually tried to engage in any of the points youve raised, Nevin, Reader and Blus Jazz being notable exceptions.

    I saw IJP’s piece and thought to myself while clearly correct I had to hold back from going ‘no sh*t Sherlock’. As Cardinal O’Fiach noted, for CNRs it’s about the national question, for PULs it’s all about religion. Little I’ve seen since 98 has changed my opinion and the past few months have confirmed this in a striking way for me.

  • Comrade Stalin

    FDM,

    It’s not some sort of a competition. We’re just two people with opinions. If you take it any more seriously than that I really suggest you should find a hobby.

  • Comrade Stalin

    footballcliches,

    Do you think any of the flag protestors are at all concerned with religion; do you think any of them even attend church ? Nah, it’s much more than religion. It’s about asserting supremacy of one identity over the other.

    If you read a few of FDM’s contributions from a few days ago you’ll see his laundry list of what he expects to happen when nationalists have a majority. He anticipated that the legal system would be used to ban Orange marches, enforce an Irish language act, increase cross border stuff etc. In other words, as a nationalist he anticipates doing what loyalists did with their majority ie using it ti reinforce identity supremacy.

  • Comrade,

    I read your points and am mindful of what the editor of the Daily Express noted back in the 50s(?) in relation to his paper being an irony free zone, but let’s go through a few of the points you’ve raised, I’m sure FDM will be along to sink a few of your points in his own time of course.

    Do I think flag protestors are concerned with religion? Yes and no, but they do use it as the prism to define who there enemy is. For them it’s the marker to separate themmuns from ussuns or whatever parlance they like to use. Further, so called unionists and IJP and FDM are right, they’re not unionists but Protestant nationalists, define their politics via the prism of religion, see TV Mike in his speech and IJP’s coverage of it.

    As for FDM’s assertions, he speaks for himself and not nationalism as a whole though I cannot fault him for what should be done tbh, unfortunately we’ll be far too lenient when/if a majority. The OO being banned? It has been before and is a seditious organisation, a poison on the populace and the sooner we treat it here like it is in Scotland, coat trailing sectarian scum, the better.

    Enforce an Irish language, damn straight, why not? It’s the least I expect, parity of esteem for language rights and cultural rights, or Are we to go down the rather vague and undefined APNI notion of it being ‘needs based’? Then again, I’m mindful of a post of yours where you noted you hated someone at a wedding addressing everyone with an Irish greeting, it being a so called sectarian marker to deliberately make Protestants feel uncomfortable, so you’re not really the tolerant liberal kind when it comes to the use of Irish, are you?

    ‘Enforcing’ cross border cooperation, if Nats are the majority and it be the will of the people how is this enforcing identity supremacy as opposed to the out workings of a democratic decision? But why not have it now? Is this not part of the agreement or are you with Hot Air Jim and want nothing to do with the South?

    Go around city hall, how’s that identity supremacy coming along for Irish Nats? How about we recognise the Irish identity of the majority of the Belfast populace alongside the British identity, you know, some parity of esteem? Otherwise, if being Irish is so offensive to protestant nationalists we’ll just make the place nice and neutral instead. Share the space with all us guys or no one gets to have a cultural expression, get it?

  • FDM

    @footballcliches

    ‘no sh*t Sherlock’.
    ————————————

    Couldn’t agree more, which was why I surprised to take so much “man attack” about something that was both patently obvious and also very easy to evidence.

    @CS

    “In other words, as a nationalist he anticipates doing what loyalists did with their majority ie using it to reinforce identity supremacy.”

    Lets be clear about the shopping list. It wasn’t a list of MY wishes, they were just extrapolations of what COULD forseeably happen. Call it a “Future Shock” list, if you are familiar with that phrase.

    Of that list I would however say this. IF it were within my power I would most certainly ban all Orange Order parades tomorrow and indeed would probably go further and actually proscribe them as an organisation.

    They serve NO useful positive purpose to the greater good. They are destabilising to our peace. I trust I am being crystal clear there in my viewpoint.

  • DC

    Of course there is a fallacy in IJP’s argument in that this ‘mainland’ British plurality isn’t that pluralistic because it doesn’t extend to cover N Ireland’s take on its own unique British identity.

    And if unionists must tolerate a reduction in flag flying how come nationalists can’t tolerate an orange march down a road once a year?

    If the number of days a flag flies isn’t supposed to affect anyone’s british identity why should a march down a road once a year affect anyone’s irish nationalist identity?

  • Barnshee

    FM did it ever occur to you that British people in the north east part of the island

    DONT
    a. want rid of the hangers on in DLA ,Social security the rest of teh benefit culture also want rid of “republican murder gangs “and “protestant murder gangs” on the rates” and avoid being seen as beggars in the world.
    b. want to pay their full part in their nation state
    cc. want to be rid of isolationist troublemakers.
    d. are happy want to be associated with the British Army, Navy and Airforce and free to be a critic of the government when they act against our wishes
    e. want to be associated with the views that UK nationals are seen as holding.on abuse of society by anyone -immigrants included
    f. do not want to be associated with the butchery and excess that was and is the Irish nationalism and the tarnished view the world has of Irish murder gangs.
    g. want to be protected against attacked by muslims and are happy with actions that enhance that protection.

    DO

    1. want to be fully participating in our nation state
    2. want to form a positive financial place in the world and not consign ourselves to a dependency forever.
    3. Support a foreign policy which confirms practical and valuable relationships with Europe and the wider world.
    4. want to avoid “ language, arts, dance, music, literature” we have no interest in particularly where those are uses as “weapon” (“every word a bullet”??) and have zero wish to contribute to then financially directly or through taxation
    5. want to use our presence in the UK as a springboard and become the economic powerhouse of
    6. want to walk around the world with at least a clean slate with the individuals that we meet out there free of our association with republican murder gangs
    7. want to EARN our “time in the sun”.

    Preferably we can get to 1 to 7 without “ a public sector dependency and eleven plus failures holding us back for another hundred years.

  • FDM

    @Barnshee

    I see what you did there.

    They say that imitation is sincerest form of flattery.

    Bless you.

    I actually did start to respond to that drivel. Then I said “meh, its all garbage” and went to lunch instead.

  • DC,

    You said something above, what it is, I don’t know or care as its indecipherable. I’ve a mate from Kilkeel, if you want I can send him round to help untangle you mate, ok?

  • Barnshee

    FDM
    Glad you recognised the “garbage”

  • DC

    I will untangle when i get home with more time on my hands.

  • anne warren

    In reply to DC at 12.14 today

    “how come nationalists can’t tolerate an orange march down a road once a year?”
    That means:
    ONE Orange march ONCE a year

    In 2010/2011 the parades commission wrote there were 3962 parades.
    66% were Loyal Order/Broad Unionist

    That’s 2,642 parades

    Ditch 2,641 and I am sure nationalists will be more than happy to tolerate AN Orange march down a road ONCE a year

    The OO gets to choose which one it wants to keep!!

    http://www.paradescommission.org/fs/doc/publications/2011-ar-final.pdf

  • DC

    OK – well having read IJP’s piece in the News Letter it would appear that he is appealing to the reader to accept that the existing unionist tradition and its take on british identity is ‘alien’ if not extreme; yet ironically speaking out of the other side of his mouth IJP exhorts the reader to accept that proper Britishness is about ‘pluralism’ and ‘tolerance’ (some tolerance given the flag reached designated days due to nationalists wanting it taken down for good); pluralism was his word not mine, so in my comment i mentioned ‘plurality’.

    Now to me it seems to be a pluralism on IJP’s/Alliance terms and some pluralism if the unionist tradition is unable to express its cultural identity in a manner that it wants to at this time such as flying the flag on 365 days if it so wants.

    So basically his argument is a false one as British pluralism does allow for the flag to be flown 365 days in places like Carrick and Newtownabbey etc because that’s what pluralism is about, doing things in a multitude of ways rather than just one way, the Alliance way which is what he seems to be wanting people to buy into.

    My other point was that those in Alliance would contend that having a flag restricted to designated days despite a lack of consensus, should not affect anyone’s identity, citizenship and indeed rights in any way.

    If that is true and the ‘excessiveness’ of the flag has been cut back to a number of days because such people that backed the stance view it as tolerable, why is it that nationalists can’t tolerate an orange march down a road once a year because on Alliance’s rationale this would not seem to erode rights or anyone’s citizenship and actually would not be about a matter of equality.

    If flags and emblems don’t equate to a reduction in identity, rights etc nor should an orange march down a road register much with nationalists as it is after all an expression of someone else’s identity which isn’t really affecting the rights or material well-being of nationalists, all things being equal – no violence, peaceful counter protests, while the orangemen walk down the road.

    That’s all it should be about, a counter protest to the orange institution, it’s not about nationalists’ rights being reduced nor equality for nationalists going to dirt.

  • DC

    Proper pluralism would be about the flag staying up there 365 days a year and the irish tradition and identity furthered in some way that would not be open to a successful legal challenge such as two flags.

  • Seamuscamp

    DC

    “Proper pluralism” is about many things. You want it to be about all things, in a partial sort of way – “Be reasonable, do it my way”.

    A democratic decision has been taken, following consultation with the authorities on such matters. That decision was to reject a SF proposal to exclude the fleg entirely and to endorse the existing hegemony as decided by the Assembly. What is wrong-in-principle with such compromise?

    The fleg in NI, by tradition, hasn’t been a symbol of British identity but rather as the brand image of a particular tribal ascendancy. Not really about religion; about political domination

  • Comrade Stalin

    Proper pluralism would be about the flag staying up there 365 days a year

    You’re saying the UK isn’t a pluralist country then ? The flag generally does not fly there 365 days a year.

  • DC

    A democratic decision has been taken, following consultation with the authorities on such matters. That decision was to reject a SF proposal to exclude the fleg entirely and to endorse the existing hegemony as decided by the Assembly. What is wrong-in-principle with such compromise?

    Because the dynamics of the decision showed nothing has changed in terms of relations between political unionism and nationalism in the city – proof was that of an attempt by nationalists at total – bigoted – removal of the union flag; a pan nationalist, ideological charge at the flag, this was then countered by Unionists who asked east Belfast constituents to say to Alliance – nothing seems to have changed, just you hold the line till consensus is sought.

    Did that happen? No. And all hell broke loose.

    I bet all those loyalists and soft unionists that backed Alliance did so because they reckoned Naomi Long was hard headed maybe even a bit bolshy but astute enough to slip these kind of punches by nationalists…instead Alliance went ‘across’ community than cross community.

  • FDM

    DC and his fleg…

    DC why not go out and buy the biggest fleg you can buy?

    Nail it to your bedroom ceiling over your bed.

    Get your wife to wear a flag dress a la Ulstergirl here.

    https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=3753548131977&set=a.1333391149565.42650.1674641211&type=3&theater

    Get the dog a union flag doggie jacket!

    But will you please stop boring us to death by hijacking every single thread turning it into a fleg protest.

    #NotInterested.
    #Democracy.
    #GetALife.

  • DC

  • DC

    Let’s all take the union flag down! ah – that’s a really f**cking brilliant idea – where’s Alliance?

    There they are – thanks for your help – thank you and good night!

  • DC

    Alliance, Vote For Change!

    Bet you weren’t expecting that kind of change! Tough shit!

  • DC

    but – we will still hope to get your vote in loyalist carrick and from the newtownards road and newtownabbey – f**kin fat chance of that!

  • FDM

    DC.

    Not interested in your swearing.

    Not interested in your mobocracy.

    Not interested in your fleg.

  • Otto

    Posting from the pub again DC?

  • DC

    This is for those that need to understand the modern day Alliance Party. Alliance – a soft unionist option?

    No, Alliance is not a soft unionist option!!!

    So to the theme tune of Kate Bush Babooshaka:

    ALLIANCE A SOFT UNIONIST??????????????

    AYE AYE THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA.

    AH, ALLIANCE, AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    BABOOSHKA, BABOOSHKA, BABOOSHKA-YA-YA!

    ALLIANCE – ALL YOURS,

    THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • Otto

    Karaoke then. Steady on the Sake DC.

  • DC

    I will be voting Long next election so that i can be sold short.

  • guess the word:

    An emotional state in which something is so important to you that you are always thinking about it, in a way that seems extreme to other people.

  • DC

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    Anger and pride – the things that Robinson was turfed out for:

    THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • Guess another word:

    A sudden and complete failure of a previously stable state.

  • DC

    Alliance Party – making David Trimble look like Captain Planet.

    Alliance a soft Unionist Party?

    THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    Anger?

    Who is known to get angry within Alliance? Anger – it really can cloud judgement.

    THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    Fiery red heads – poor temper and poor judgement???????????

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • Otto

    I did wonder DC. I thought you meant me and Joe.

    Happy to admit to being quite proud of Alliance lately.

    You miss us really though don’t you?

    The door’s always open.

  • DC

    I don’t hold grudges.

    I just wonder why a party should tolerate someone that has a blistering temper to the point where i imagine it has turned out to be counter productive.

  • DC

    Here’s a clue:

    Fiery red heads – poor temper and poor judgement?

    And now whether Alliance is a soft Unionist Party, to theme of Kate Bus:

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    *Bush

  • Otto

    It’s a party not a prayer group DC.

  • DC

    Here’s who i think would get really really really angry, that bullshit that bullshit-ya-ya:

    http://i49.tinypic.com/2uo2ale.jpg

  • Otto

    Whatever.

    Pay your subs, shoot your mouth off

    When was the last time a liberal party kicked someone out for having an opinion?

  • DC

    I will join again when you guys grow a set and take down your bad-tempered deputy:

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • FDM

    I said to my wife sbout an hour ago.

    “One of the guys on Slugger is about to have a meltdown”.

    How wrong can you be?

    Kate Bush is both talented and foxy.

  • DC

    and of course – stop taking union flags down just because there is a pan-nationalist vote at complete removal.

    Keep your cool – stay strong and all that. Don’t get angry!

  • DC

    Although i have been involved with the PUP lately not as member but working with sound people that don’t angry and and don’t belittle me and don’t put me down and don’t lose their temper and do not tend to be horrible and pushy.

    And they also like the flag and that is cool with me.

  • DC

    so – i can’t see me re-joining Alliance any time soon.

  • DC

    Kate Bush is both talented and foxy.

    I’ve no local or regional political hook to hang this song on, but so what – enjoy:

  • FDM,

    Well done. If it was an hour earlier, you guessed a word before I even defined it.

  • DC

    Heathcliff it’s me!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Um … okaaay ..

  • DC

    Um … okaaay ..

    ALLIANCE A SOFT UNIONIST PARTY???

    AYE AYE – THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA.

    AH, ALLIANCE, AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    ALLIANCE A SOFT UNIONIST PARTY???

    AYE AYE – THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA.

    AH, ALLIANCE, AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    Comrade, when does Naomi start knocking doors in west belfast?

    THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA.

  • DC

    HEY COMRADE!!!!!!!!!!!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    Comrade, when does Naomi start knocking doors in west belfast?

  • DC

    ALLIANCE A SOFT UNIONIST PARTY???

    AYE AYE – THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA.

  • DC

    ALLIANCE IS A PARTY FOR UNIONISTS??

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!#

  • DC

    IAN PARSLEY A UNIONIST?

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    ALLIANCE IS A PARTY FOR UNIONISTS?????

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    NAOMI LONG HAS A CALM DISPOSITION:

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    ALLIANCE IS A CROSS-COMMUNITY PARTY – REALLY!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    ALLIANCE IS FOR LIBERALISM!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    ALLIANCE IS FOR GAY MARRIAGE!!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

  • DC

    ALLIANCE IS FOR ABORTION!!!

    SHOUT IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g9EJlHiuMGI#t=70s)

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA!

    AYE AYE: THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT, THAT BULLSHIT-YA-YA

  • FDM

    “One of the guys on Slugger is about to have a meltdown”.

    —————————————————————————————-

    It’s reminiscent of when my brother’s class gave there form teacher a nervous break down by humming constantly, sadistic little shits.

  • FDM

    Is it safe for Naomi and I to leave the panic room now?

  • DC

    I do apologise, I appear to have dragged things off topic and gone a bit OCD on Kate Bush and Alliance and that lovely wee flag, the lesser spotted Union flag.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I think you need to lay off the booze, seriously.

  • DC

    Ah one more night on it won’t hurt, sure we all have our vices and Alliance’s is taking down union flags at pan-nationalism’s behest.

  • FDM

    @DC

    “the lesser spotted Union flag”

    Not lesser spotted at all. There are plenty of spots and splashes on the Butchers apron.