Trayvon Martin, the hoodie and new media

 Many on this side of the Atlantic will have become aware of the growing controversy surrounding the killing of a black teenage boy in Sanford, Florida, on February 26th of this year.

Trayvon Martin was a 17-year old black boy who was shot to death by George Zimmerman, a neighbourhood watch volunteer known for being particularly enthusiastic in his role. Zimmerman had contacted the local police prior to the shooting to report a boy engaging in “suspicious behaviour.”  

Most startlingly, Zimmerman has yet to be arrested over the killing, with Florida’s controversial ‘Stand Your Ground’ laws being cited as the reason why the local police have yet to arrest him (though the former Florida Governor who signed the bill into law, one Jeb Bush, has maintained that Zimmerman is not covered by the law.)

Already, Sanford Police Chief, Bill Lee, has temporarily stepped down as the controversy regarding the non-arrest of Zimmerman rages.

The tragic case has so many angles. The armed community watch officer empowered by controversial laws resulting from society’s fear of crime; the racist angle, whereby Martin would appear to have been a suspect merely on the grounds of being a black youth walking through a gated community.

But it’s also believed that the fact that Trayvon Martin was wearing a hoodie added to Zimmerman’s suspicions.

This particular aspect of the case has been seized upon by many of those protesting the murder, and new media- particularly Twitter- has been used to spread the word about the nature of many of the protests that have taken place across the States. An e-petition calling for justice has been signed by over 1.8 million people already.

The black film producer and ardent New York Knicks fan, Spike Lee, has been to the fore in spreading the word and encouraging black sports figures and celebrities to express solidarity with the Martin family and protest the killing by being pictured sporting hoodies. Already, many high profile basketball players have responded positively, and people have taken to sporting hoodies in all climates across the States to demonstrate their support for the Martin family. 

US President, Barack Obama, has already spoken out on the incident, stating that “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,” a statement which was condemned by Republican Presidential hopeful, Newt Gingrich.

  • lamhdearg2

    hoodies ok,hajabs?, I would not want to knock Obama, as with the exception of paul, i would prefer him to the others in the prez race, but did his comments not read a little like the unacceptable “they all look the same”.

  • No doubt Faux News and it’s army of delusional viewers will have it’s own version of the case. As Obama said, ‘there’s soulsearching still to be done by Americans’ 45 years after MLK and Selma Alabama.

  • Once you’ve fostered a gun-culture – be it Sanford FL or South Armagh – the inevitable follows.

    After that it’s all down to the quality of the excuses.

  • Harry Flashman

    So you were all there that dark rainy night and saw everything that happened did you? You know for a fact that the white guy is guilty because of course the young man who was shot was black and as we all black people are only ever victims of white racist crime.

    The police came on the scene and found a security man, cut and bleeding from a head wound, the security man had called the police to the scene, not normally the action of a white racist contemplating murder (is Zimmerman even white? I understood he is Hispanic).

    The security man said he was acting in self defence when he shot the young man, (substantially bigger than him incidentally, funny how the media choose to use a photograph of a cherubic little boy rather than the hefty big six footer Martin actually was). There appeared to be circumstantial evidence that the security man was telling the truth, under the law the police have no right to automatically arrest him but must investigate the case further and they are doing so.

    If they find enough evidence to charge the security man with murder I have no doubt they will do so, his case will then go to trial where he will be able to present his case and a jury will decide.

    You see that’s how the law works, crimes are investigated and people charged are allowed a fair trial, cases are not decided by internet jockeys, race baiters and overpaid sports stars, thank God.

    Funny how all the people who complain so much about lynch law actually want to lynch Zimmerman.

  • tacapall

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324,0,1231157.story

    Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the “capture” of George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin.

    “New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad announced the reward during a protest in Sanford Saturday. And when asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.”

    The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 10,000 black men to capture Zimmerman.”

  • Before anyone trusts any of the assertions made by Harry Flashman above, a reading of on-the-spot reports in the Miami Herald, and other local sources, would be salutary.

  • Mac

  • Harry Flashman

    Malcolm, unlike you apparently, I wasn’t actually there, if I am wrong in any factual detail feel free to put me and the other readers right.

  • South Down Stoop

    HF,

    1. No-one on this forum wants to lynch Zimmerman. They want, as far as I can see, for the homicidal shooting of an unarmed man to be greeted with at least an arrest warrant. No-one wants this – http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Lynching-of-woman-1911.jpg – and the fact that you would suggest that, knowing the racial implications of the term “lynching”, is downright racist.

    2. So say Zimmerman is Hispanic. That mean that it isn’t racist? The racial element to media coverage is due to the fact that the perception of black youth (and Hispanic etc.), by all other ethnic groups, as intrinsically more dangerous than others is still very prevalent in America today.

    3. I’m 6 foot 2. Say I’m walking through a residential area with my hood up one night (which I do occasionally, on my way home) and I don’t slow down when someone shouts at me. Say I’m listening to music. I’m much bigger than the Neighbourhood Watch fella who presumably thinks I’m a threat. Does that indicate a need for self-defensive homicide?

    4. Finally, no-one is suggesting this act was carried out in a co-ordinated KKK style fashion – as you have pointed out, why would anyone ring the police in this case? The message behind this incident is that the black youth was perceived to be a threat where in all likelihoods a white youth would not have been. It speaks to the larger racial divide that persists in modern America.

  • Harry Flashman

    “the fact that the perception of black youth (and Hispanic etc.), by all other ethnic groups, as intrinsically more dangerous than others is still very prevalent in America today.”

    That perception, alas, is unfortunately correct.

    As to the rest, allow the law to take its course, if there is evidence to charge Zimmerman I haven’t the slightest doubt that he will be so charged.

    Meanwhile Obama gets to whip up a bit of racial agitprop in a hugely important swing state in an election year.

  • Harry Flashman

    By the way South Down Stoop don’t fucking well call me a racist, ok?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Harry, you’re right out of the blocks on the defence when even the usually nutjob right in the USA are being careful with this one.

    There are a lot of strawmen in your first contribution above :

    not normally the action of a white racist contemplating murder (is Zimmerman even white? I understood he is Hispanic).

    Who said anything about anyone contemplating murder ?

    What the hell is going on when neighbourhood watch volunteers are armed and playing rent a cop ?

  • Harry Flashman

    I’m defending nothing other than the right to a fair trial after proper police investigation. Too many people are assuming that Zimmerman is guilty because he is white and Martin is black, let the law take its course is all I say.

    Regarding the fact Zimmerman was armed, he was a security man and in the United States and other countries with high crime rates security men are routinely armed.

    It also happens to be an extremely valued part of the United States Constitution that a citizen has the right to bear arms. We ever-so-sophisticated Europeans who have within our lifetimes seen millions of unarmed people docilely shipped off in trains to be murdered by their tyrannous rulers seem to think the right of citizens to defend themselves, their families and their property to be some sort of oddity.

    Americans have a rather more robust view of what constitutes a free citizen, I happen to admire them for it.

  • Harry Flashman @ 1:17pm:

    I wasn’t actually there …

    Which was precisely why I suggested referring to those with some local knowledge.

    Curiously, one person who was there, the victim, “carrying a bag of Skittles and an Arizona iced tea purchased from a nearby convenience store”, was only seventy yards from his father’s girlfriend’s front door. The shootist, who has repeated “previous”, was told by the police despatcher he shouldn’t be pursuing the victim (and, it seems, should also not be carrying concealed on “neighbourhood watch”). The one other close witness on record was promptly “dissed” by the local law enforcement.

    So much for plug a hoodie.

  • Harry Flashman

    So as I suspected I didn’t make any factual errors in my post, thank you Malc.

    You on the contrary have made an error, the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman “he shouldn’t be pursuing the victim”, he merely said he didn’t have to do it, two entirely different things.

    Are you suggesting the dispatcher said Zimmerman shouldn’t be carrying a weapon? Where did you get that from?

    All irrelevant anyway as the police will carry out their investigations and if they find evidence to charge Zimmerman they will do so, as is only right. Everyone else, including Obama, should stop grandstanding and stay out of what is an ongoing criminal investigation.

  • HF Zimmerman ignored instruction from his superiors when he called them for advice, to leave Trayyvon alone and not follow him. That doesn’t fit your narrative so you ignore it.

  • Harry Flashman @ 5:43 pm:

    1. The killing was on 26 February — four weeks gone. The whole point is that the authorities of Sanford have failed to advance the investigation greatly in that time. That is why the city commission has passed a vote of no confidence in Police Chief Lee, and why he has “stood aside”. The Grand Jury convenes on 10 April, but — since there has been inadequate “investigation” — it will be interesting to see what “evidence” is laid.

    2. The city manager, Norton Bonaparte Jr., is on record, this last week, that the Sanford police department “has had issues with the city’s African-American residents”.

    3. Which is another reason why the “racial slur” [“f*cking coon”, for those who missed it] that Zimmerman may or may not have used in his 911 call is at dispute.

    4. To fulfil the (loose) requirements of the Florida “Stand Your Ground” law — which is similar to that in two dozen States — the shooter must have reasonable belief of being in imminent danger. The tape of the incident does not, prima facie, reconcile that with Zimmerman going against the despatcher’s instruction to stay in the car, and not to approach Martin. The only other witness claims to have seen Zimmerman chase Martin, throw him to the ground, Zimmerman sitting astride Martin’s chest … all of which was dismissed out-of-hand by Police Chief Lee.

    5. “If Zimmerman were a police officer or a government official, he could be prosecuted by the Justice Department for using his official authority to violate Martin’s civil rights … Zimmerman was a volunteer watch captain, and even though he had a permit to carry his Kel Tek 9mm semiautomatic handgun, he didn’t have any official law enforcement or government authority.”

    6. Hence the FBI and the Justice Department are being involved. Hence, too, Senator Schumer wants the “Stand Your Ground” laws fully reviewed — which, in turn, means this or one like it will likely end on the Supreme Court docket.

    7. I stand by my earlier thought: in a gun-culture events like this are inevitable. My American grandchildren bring home “permission slips” to certify that alcohol is not kept in the house, before other children can come to play. Note that, in this mental state, possession of alcohol is more dangerous than that of guns.

  • Mac

    The officer in charge of this previous case, who decided not to prosecute the attacker in this video (despite having the video when making his decision) was the same officer in charge on the night of the Martin shooting.
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/cops-son-turns-shocking-videos-release/story?id=12529580#.T29p4RFwdM2

    Then again, the attacker in this video is the son a serving officer and grandson of a judge.

  • Alias

    Most racist crime in the US is committed by black people against white people. In fact, white victims account for 90% of all racist crimes.

    There is also a racist factor in violent crime with blacks being 48 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than whites are to commit violent crimes against blacks.

    “there are roughly eight times as many whites as blacks; and there are about six times as many violent criminals per capita among blacks as among whites. So, if criminals chose their victims at random, without regard to race, one would expect the black-on-white victimization rate per black person to be 48 times as large as the white-on-black rate per white person. Thus, it does not appear that black criminals take affirmative action to find white victims.”

    The US media, however, likes to pretend that racism is something that whites do to blacks rather than something blacks overwhelming do to whites. Hence we see the cherubic face of Trayvon and a mugshot of Zimmerman and the activation of the ‘civil rights’ clowns to convey the impression that this death was the result of white racism when there is nothing whatsoever to support that bogus assertion.

  • Just when one thinks reason might prevail, along comes Alias, trolling an anecdotal and statistically-dodgy article dated 1996.

    So, for the record, from the FBI statistics for 2010 (the latest to hand):

    In 2010, the races of the 6,008 known hate crime offenders were as follows:

    58.6 percent were white.
    18.4 percent were black.
    8.9 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
    1.1 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
    1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
    12.0 percent were of unknown race.

    Suddenly, knowing the propensities of the lunatic right that prowls Sluggerdom, we can expect the definition of “hate crime” to be redefined.

  • Reader

    Malcolm Redfellow: Suddenly, knowing the propensities of the lunatic right that prowls Sluggerdom, we can expect the definition of “hate crime” to be redefined.
    If you are treating “hate crime” as a synonym for “racist crime” then the lunatic right are going to have to wait their turn. You got there first.
    What do the figures look like once you have stripped out homophobic and sectarian attacks?

  • wild turkey

    Malcolm

    having read your recondite replies to some commenters on this post, i commend you. as an american i am deeply disturbed, but not at all surprised by the dynamics and outworkings of this event. ah, one of my first memories of american tv news had to do with Emmet Till

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till

    …. but a friendly word, ok? the banjo players in Deliverence will always play their tune; it is rote and received learning and they know no better. it is the pinnacle of their hollowed eyed fearfed aristry.

    let the aliases and flashmen of the world spout all they want, it remains a historical fact that the confederency lost the war, and yes that war and mindset, with tasteful artifacts and memorobilia, still persists in the finest trailer parks across the globe.

    personally i find it encouraging that these people can occassionaly lift their knuckles off the greensward and put paws to keyboards. perhaps after many many generations and benevolent genetic mutations these very people may actually be the progenitors of a rational, evidence based and humane discourse. personally, i doubt it. but live in hope

    malcolm, you like to read? check out H L Mencken;s essay on the “Anglo-Saxons”. he isn’t writing about the English aristocracy

    Mahalo

  • South Down Stoop

    HF,

    You used the word “lynching” in the context of a young unarmed black man by a non-black man. I stand by my assertion.

  • Alias

    Malcolm, blacks are 12.1% of the US polulation, so even among the hate crime stats that you quoted, they over-represented at 18.4% by 50% whereas whites are under-represented. You have simply proven yourself to be in error when you contend that blacks do not commit more hate crimes. Can you not grasp what your own stats are telling you?

    The ever-reliable Wiki has some interesting statistics:

    According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 percent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

    According to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims”, published in 1993, of the 1.3 million violent crimes that are interracial, 75% involve white victims and black offenders, 15% involve white victims and other-race offenders, and 10% involve black victims and white offender.

    And according to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

    As of 2008, a statistics report which surveyed all persons arrested for offending, stated that of the crimes surveyed for which the identity of the offender could be determined, 77.2 percent of all persons arrested were white or Hispanic, 20.3 percent of people arrested for offending were black or black and Hispanic; and the remaining 2.4 percent were of other races. After arrest, 45.1% of violent crimes and 17.4% of property crimes nationwide were cleared by arrest or exceptional means.

    As of 2008, statistics report that of 16,277 murders, 10,568 were committed by males, 1,176 were by female, and 4,533 were committed in which the offenders sex was unknown. Likewise, 5,334 murders were committed by white offenders, 5,943 were committed by black or black and Hispanic offenders, 273 were committed by offenders of other races, and 4,727 murders were committed by offenders whose race is not known.

    According to Anthony Walsh, “Whites constituted 82.2% of the American population in 1999 (US Bureau of the Census, 2000), with arrest rates for murder (48.9%), rape (63.1%), robbery (46.0%), aggravated assault (64.4%), burglary (68.1%), larceny/theft (64.9%), motor vehicle theft (58.0%), and arson (72.4%). It should be noted that the “white” category in the UCR includes non-black Hispanics, and the “black” category includes black Hispanics.”

    A 2008 FBI Uniform Crime Report on rape and sexual-based crime published by the United States Department of Justice stated that of the crimes surveyed, whites represented 65.2% of persons arrested for rape, blacks represented 32.2%, with American Indians and Asians ranking just above 1%. “Hispanics”, “Hispanic-White” or “Hispanic-Black” was not specified into any specific category.

    According to the latest “Hate Crimes Reported by Victims and Police,” a 2008 Bureau of Justice Statistics Report, hate crime offenders were predominantly white (61%), whereas the victims were predominantly black (72.9%) and targeted because of their race (51%). Among religious hate crimes, the majority of victims were of Jewish faith (65.7%) with less than one in ten offenses aimed at people of the Muslim faith (7.7%). Among crimes aimed at ethnicity and national background, the majority of hate crimes were of anti-Hispanic bias (64%).

    Reporting at the annual meeting of the American Sociological Association (August 3, 2008), sociologists at Bowling Green State University found that men who attend college are more likely to commit property crimes during their college years than their non-college-attending peers. The research draws from three waves of data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and examines education, crime levels, substance abuse and socializing among adolescents and young adults. Also, according to Naci Mocan of the University of Colorado and Erdal Tekin of Georgia State University, “We find that unattractive individuals commit more crime in comparison to average-looking ones, and very attractive individuals commit less crime in comparison to those who are average-looking.”

  • Alias

    Also, if you two contributers, Malcolm and Wild Turkey, want to hurl insults as a substitute for facts and argument, can you at least make them entertaining to read? Do you really think the juvenile tripe you both posted serves any practical purpose or merits the smug delivery? I’m not asking for Oscar Wilde quality – just something that doesn’t make me grimace on your behalf. Thanks.

  • Harry Flashman

    @ardmajel55

    Have you a link to that?

    @Malcolm

    “[“f*cking coon”, for those who missed it]”

    Amazing aural abilities you have Malcolm, no one else who has listened to that tape has been able to understand clearly what he said, it’s quite inaudible. The use of “c**n” is entirely conjecture, it could as easily be “punk” or “c*nt”, no one can make it out. Nothing like convicting a man on hearsay is there?

    The tape describes the lead up to the shooting, not the shooting, in the incident the shooter received an injury, so unless he injured himself, there is prima facie evidence that some sort of affray took place. It is for the police to investigate and to decide whether to charge Zimmerman. They are doing so.

    It is no surprise that politicians who dislike the freedom granted to US citizens by the US constitution want to use this incident to restrict that freedom, left wing politicians always want to restrict people’s freedom.

    @South Down Stoop

    “You used the word “lynching” in the context of a young unarmed black man by a non-black man. ”

    Your personal opinion about the appropriateness of an analogous choice of words by someone in a discussion, is merely that, your personal opinion. It does not constitute “RACISM!!!!”, the catchall phrase of lefties losing an argument, find me the dictionary definition of racism as such if you wish to stand over your assertion.

    Listen you self righteous prig, I’ve experienced more real racism in real life, frequently on this very forum, than you will ever know, I know what racism is, I am not a racist and what I said in no way constituted racism, so fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

  • Mac

    I’m wondering Harry, if you ever get tired of defaulting to the stereotypical right-wing position, especially in cases like this.

    Here’s the issues.
    Zimmerman is the one with previous form, not Martin, despite the smear campaigns by arch-coward Glenn Beck and others to imply otherwise, only one of the two participants has previously been arrested and charged with a violent crime. Can you guess which one of the two assaulted a police officer?

    Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police in the previous year, quite frankly paint the picture of someone with a problem with black males, especially when he is calling the police to report black males he describes as 7-9 years of age as acting suspicious.

    Zimmerman did not have to follow anyone, in fact, he was told not to be the police dispatcher, if you want to pretend for the purposes of this discussion you don’t understand nuance, and someone telling you ‘We don’t need you to do that’ isn’t a polite way of telling you not to do something, fine, be my guest. But most post-pubescent English speakers would be able to pick up on that fine.

    He chased a boy he didn’t like the look of because ‘these assholes always get away with it’. What assholes? Get away with what? He had no reason to suspect that Martin was doing anything wrong or ‘was on drugs or something’ other than because of his own prejudices regarding black males.

    After chasing a 17 year old returning from the shop, he then shot Martin, and the officer in charge who made the decision on whether or not to charge Zimmerman has previously demonstrated (to put it lightly) questionable judgement on arresting white males who assault black males.

    If that’s the type of justice system you favour, and Zimmerman is the type of guy you want walking the streets armed just because it’s the opposite of what Obama and ‘the lefties’ want, fine.
    As for myself, I find neither acceptable, and that is not a left/right issue.

  • South Down Stoop

    “Funny how all the people who complain so much about lynch law actually want to lynch Zimmerman.” HF, March 25, 12:27pm

    I did not ‘cry racism’ as a last resort as you claim I have, I believe the facts impartially speak for themselves, in a way above and beyond any liberal-conservative divide. I did not ride in on a horse. I’ve never heard of the word “prig”, if I’m honest, but I’ll take it as a well-veiled compliment.

    My opinion (of your words) is that in equating calling for the arrest of Zimmerman, one man who openly admits to killing another man, to the days of mass lynching of ethnic minorities in America, is a ridiculous and racist false equivalency. I realise it’s not the safest thing to call someone else racist on a regulated forum, but it is what your words have motivated me to say. My opinion, not the opinion of the entire left (although I’ll ask them at the next global conspiracy board meeting).

  • Mencken on race [see wild turkey, above]:

    I admit freely enough that, by careful breeding, supervision of environment and education, extending over many generations, it might be possible to make an appreciable improvement in the stock of the American negro, for example, but I must maintain that this enterprise would be a ridiculous waste of energy, for there is a high-caste white stock ready at hand, and it is inconceivable that the negro stock, however carefully it might be nurtured, could ever even remotely approach it. The educated negro of today is a failure, not because he meets insuperable difficulties in life, but because he is a negro. He is, in brief, a low-caste man, to the manner born, and he will remain inert and inefficient until fifty generations of him have lived in civilization. And even then, the superior white race will be fifty generations ahead of him.

    Err … really ?

    Elsewhere in recent comments: no, not all crime is “racial” or “hate” crime. Should that be your obsession, seek early treatment.

    The alleged mutter by Zimmerman has been well reported. Its prevalence on the “new media” is a propos the other element in the title piece here by Chris Donnelly. I merely relay the accepted version.

    Since Godwin’s Law is clearly imminent, this is where I bow out.

  • HF No need for a link if you can read, it’s in the sunday papers but then you would be happier with Faux news version since they tell you what you want to hear.

  • Alias

    The real issue in this case is racism in the US, not whether Zimmerman killed Martin in self-defence. If that was the issue, this case would be just another of the thousands of anonymous shootings that occur in the US each year.

    As usual, the left skews the debate by focusing on white-on-black racism in the US while ignoring the more prevalent black-on-white racism.

    As Mr Redfellow has helpfully – albeit unwittingly – shown by posting FBI stats, racists form a far greater percentage of the black population than they form as a percentage of the white population.

    Therefore, the focus should be on the issue of black-on-white racism in the US and on ways in which its prevalence could be reduced.

    But don’t hold your breath waiting for that to occur while the leftist mind-set and its disposition to ignore facts are in the ascendancy.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    This case has been plucked from the US news and made spectacular not due to the facts and circumstances, but because it fits a template the media wants to push. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and wait for the full facts and circumstances and ignore the sensationalism — the last time this template made national news was the Duke lacrosse case and y’all should recall how *that* one turned out.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Now, for those of you who still feel the need to try and push the narrative, can you explain why these stories didn’t get a national push?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenagers-poured-gasoline-boy-walking-home-school-set-fire-cops-article-1.1033062

    Now, I could go on — I stopped at two not because of a lack of instances but because too many links would put me in the queue — but the substance of the posts is that black on white crime doesn’t get this sort of push, even when it is sufficiently gruesome. Simply put, Black racism / black on white violence doesn’t fit the template and is swept under the rug.

  • lamhdearg2

    Its just the same here, sectarian hate crime is the call almost every time people from one side attack people from the other, but police are investigating is the more common line when the rolls are reversed. A more strange thing to me is who is telling the prez its a good thing to take sides in a African American v not African American spat in an election year, as someone pointed out, it may help him win the state, i would ? will it not harm him across the country.

  • pauluk

    Dozens of black people are murdered every weekend in the US – by other black people – but there’s never a word said about it by so-called civil rights proponents Sharpton and Jackson. Now they are calling Hispanics ‘white Hispanics’ just to be able to maintain their racist narrative. What pathetic professional race baiters.

    Here’s the most current twist to the controversy, giving a somewhat different perspective on Martin:

    Further complications have emerged in the story of the mysterious death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. Specifically, previous information about Trayvon Martin’s suspension – which was allegedly for “tardiness” – has now been reported to be incomplete by the Miami Herald.

    Moreover, following a week of coverage suggesting the teen was spitefully attacked in cold blood, more details are now emerging as a statement by the shooter, George Zimmerman, suggests there may have been more of a confrontation than was believed at first.

    First, Martin’s school suspension record. According to an investigation by the Miami Herald, Martin was suspended twice – once in October of last year for graffiti, and prior to the shooting for possession of a bag with traces of marijuana and a “marijuana pipe.” Martin was also found in possession of some jewelry and what the Herald describes as a “burglary tool,” though these items were not convincingly established as being owned by Martin himself, following an independent investigation by police.

    Both offenses, which would fall under the umbrellas of “vandalism” and “possession or use of alcohol and/or controlled substances,” would be sufficient to merit ten day suspensions under district policy. Martin was apparently also suspended at an indeterminate time in the past for tardiness and/or truancy, though the Herald does not specify for how long.

    Martin’s family and family attorney have dismissed the charges as attempts at “demonizing” him. As contrary evidence, they cite a previous school’s wish for Martin to remain there because he was a good student.

    Second, after being universally blasted for his actions, George Zimmerman’s written statement to the police raises further doubts about what happened on the night in question. Good Morning America reports on Zimmerman’s explanation:

    George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.

    Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.[…]

    In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman’s description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

    Zimmerman was treated for a head wound after the incident. How he received it has not been decisively established. Police have also told the media that while their investigation of the shooting may be completed in a few days, there will likely be no charges for weeks, if they come at all.

    more

  • Harry Flashman

    “HF No need for a link if you can read, it’s in the sunday papers but then you would be happier with Faux news version since they tell you what you want to hear.”

    Then it should be a simple matter for you to link such a well-established fact as you claim, I am unable to find it, help an aging techno-dinosaur out will you, and give me a link to your claim.

    Stoop, you called me a racist, a very deep insult, for making a simple and understandable analogy, you did not care for that analogy I accept that, but you have absolutely no right to traduce my character in such a vile way simply because you happen to disagree with a choice of phrase.

    Just for the record, however, in case you think the idea of Zimmerman being lynched is extreme have a look at this.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/new-black-panther-leader-1398575.html

    The Black Panthers are offering a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman,

    “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad said Saturday at a rally in Sanford, where Martin was killed Feb. 26…”He should be fearful for his life,” Muhammad said. “You can’t keep killing black children.”

    You can retract your vile allegation that I am a racist and we can resume debating this issue on reasonable terms.

  • Harry Flashman

    All I have said all along is that there might, just might, be more to this story than is being alleged.

    Maybe it’s true that Zimmerman is a racist murderer, then let the law take its course. You simply cannot convict a man on hearsay.

    Is there another side to the story, unlike everyone who is so certain of Zimmerman’s guilt I have the honesty to say I don’t know.

    From a local newspaper

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager

    “Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they’re not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, “Well, you do now” or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

    Zimmerman began yelling for help.

    Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    Lawyers for Trayvon’s family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

    One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.”

    Is Zimmerman a liar? Maybe. Is he a racist murderer? Perhaps.

    ‘Maybe’, ‘perhaps’, am I the only one who believes in a man’s right to a fair trial and the concept of reasonable doubt? Everyone else seems very certain Zimmerman is guilty, I wish I could be so certain about things I don’t actually know.

  • South Down Stoop

    The Black Panthers have never gained as much traction within the Black community as the KKK had with whites in their peak of the Dixie South, where the South’s political establishment essentially had a two-tier justice system when it came to racially motivated crime. Trying to compare the two is inaccurate and misleading.

  • Harry Flashman

    South, I am not “comparing” anything; Zimmerman is in hiding and is under threat of death from several groups other than the Black Panthers, he is justifiably in fear for his life.

    Can anyone doubt his fate if he fell into the hands of those threatening him? He would be killed by a mob without benefit of trial or jury, he would be, er, not sure what word I can use since you deem the dictionary definition of such an act as inherently racist.

    Still no retraction of your accusation that I’m a racist I see.

  • South Down Stoop

    Nope, no retraction yet.

    I’ll go through your original reasoning here –

    “Funny how all the people who complain so much about lynch law actually want to lynch Zimmerman.”

    Which you then expanded on by saying:

    “The Black Panthers are offering a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.”

    Now, the second comment here does not follow from the first. “All the people” who complain about lynching includes me. It includes the vast majority of American citizens. The Black Panther movement (and all militant movements who want Zimmerman summarily executed) are not “all” those who complain about lynch law – in fact, they are far from being even a substantial minority. Zimmerman is in fear for his life, but not from everyone who ever opposed lynching. That’s absurd, and (dare I say it again) quite racial in its logic. So the only folks who oppose lynching are those damn Black Panthers – i.e. a group of illegal and militant African Americans?

    With regards to your defense of the use of the term lynching in this context:

    “He would be killed by a mob without benefit of trial or jury, he would be, er, not sure what word I can use since you deem the dictionary definition of such an act [I presume you mean lynching] as inherently racist.”

    Dictionaries are handy books, fair enough, but using a word that is ‘dictionary-definitive’ does not abscond you from any political insensitivities. An example:

    The Hispanic for Black is “negro”. Does this justify Hispanic people using this word, in spite of the historically derogatory connotations?

  • Aptronym

    Harry Flash….you are missing the point.

    You asked….and I quote…”Am I the only one who believes in a man’s right to a fair trial and the concept of reasonable doubt?”

    And the answer is No!! That is exactly what all these people are protesting about. They too want a fair trial.

    Zimmerman has not/was NOT even arrested; and therefore won’t even be tried.

    That is why people are angry!

    Can you even agree that given the (at best) uncertain circumstances of the shooting – where a boy carrying only a packet of skittles was shot dead, that a fair trial of the shooter should at least take place?

  • Harry Flashman

    So because I alluded to lynching in my comment about how groups of people are declaring a man guilty without allowing for a proper investigation and trial, a perfectly reasonable analogy, I’m deemed to be a racist? Is that it?

    Here is Merriam-Webster’s (standard US dictionary) definition of ‘lynch’;

    “to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal sanction”

    Nowhere does it say that it can only be used in relation to killings of blacks in the southern states of the US or that any use of the word outside this context should be regarded as offensive.

    Definition of ‘racism’

    “1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2 : racial prejudice or discrimination”

    Oddly enough Merriam appears to miss the definition “saying something on an internet blog that I don’t like”, maybe I should contact them with the new definition as defined by self righteous South Down prigs.

    Stoop, you’ve insulted me personally and without warrant, I’ve given you a fair opportunity to retract that vile insult, you have declined to do so.

    Fuck off, I want nothing more to do with you.

  • South Down Stoop

    I’ll live. . .

  • Dread Cthulhu

    “The Black Panthers have never gained as much traction within the Black community as the KKK had with whites in their peak of the Dixie South, where the South’s political establishment essentially had a two-tier justice system when it came to racially motivated crime. Trying to compare the two is inaccurate and misleading.”

    Point of fact: The KKK peaked in the twenties in what is now the rust-belt, not the South.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    “Zimmerman has not/was NOT even arrested; and therefore won’t even be tried. ”

    Point of fact: They are still investigating and, iirc, convened a grand jury.

    Additionally, as more comes out about Trayvon — his suspension record, the contents of his Twitter feed — a different image is coming out. They’ve even gone so far as to use a more recent picture than that of the 13 year old child they’ve been using.

  • Aptronym

    Dread Cthulhu,

    I am not sure what your point is.

    You know (or maybe you don’t) that the State Attorney General only decided to convene a Grand Jury after the public outroar and protests against the Police/Prosecution’s decision not to arrest/prosecute Zimmerman.

    I am not going to get into a back and forth about this. My point is very simple…

    In a civilised society, when incidents like these (which are unclear at best) occur, due process, i.e., arrest and fair trial, should ensue.

    If you believe that is an erroneous basis on which our systems should be predicated, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  • BluesJazz

    If only Zimmerman had tweeted his thoughts, like Liam Stacey, maybe he would have ended up in jail.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    “You know (or maybe you don’t) that the State Attorney General only decided to convene a Grand Jury after the public outroar and protests against the Police/Prosecution’s decision not to arrest/prosecute Zimmerman.”

    Given that neither one of us was there and that neither of us is an expert on the laws in Florida, I’d say that you’re assumption that he should have immediately arrested is spurious on its face. I would concede that he ought to have been brought in for questioning, but that’s as far as the limited details would permit, unless, of course, you’re privy to some information that isn’t in the news reports.

    “In a civilised society, when incidents like these (which are unclear at best) occur, due process, i.e., arrest and fair trial, should ensue.”

    No, due process is an investigation followed *perhaps* with an arrest. The days of simply arresting an individual and sorting it out later are long gone, given the US’s litigious society. As more facts come to light, Trayvon is seeming less the victim — Zimmerman’s broken nose and head injuries would suggest that *something* preceded the shot.

    Zimmerman needed to be investigated (and the initial investigation, prior to the efforts to whip up the mob, may have been deemed sufficient) and the decision to arrest him made soberly without pressure from the mob.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    “If only Zimmerman had tweeted his thoughts, like Liam Stacey, maybe he would have ended up in jail.”

    Perhaps if they weren’t showing an image of Trayvon that looks to be about four or five years out of date, folks wouldn’t be thinking him a little angel.

  • Mac

    “You know (or maybe you don’t) that the State Attorney General only decided to convene a Grand Jury after the public outroar and protests against the Police/Prosecution’s decision not to arrest/prosecute Zimmerman.”

    That’s the issue in a nut-shell. As I posted above, the ‘officer in charge’ who made the call that Zimmerman had no case to answer has previously decided not to charge another white youth with assault despite viewing video footage that shows the drunken assailant punching a black man from behind and knocking him out, then screaming hw was gonna kill the ***** whilst being restrained. The assailant, has a father who is a serving policeman and grandfather who is a judge, Zimmerman has a judge for a father.

    The issue here isn’t if racist attacks are a white only thing, or a black only thing. Only a fool would deny that black people cannot be racist and that they act on this hate.

    The issue is the judicial system’s response.
    It did a diservice to everyone when it dismissed offhand Zimmerman’s actions. I would no more want Zimmerman walking my streets armed than I would an armed black man harbouring racist thoughts and being likely to act on them.

    It’s not a black/white thing, or a left/right thing for me, it’s an issue of justice.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mac: “The issue here isn’t if racist attacks are a white only thing, or a black only thing. Only a fool would deny that black people cannot be racist and that they act on this hate.”

    Sadly, there is no shortage of fools.

    Mac: “The issue is the judicial system’s response. It did a diservice to everyone when it dismissed offhand Zimmerman’s actions. I would no more want Zimmerman walking my streets armed than I would an armed black man harbouring racist thoughts and being likely to act on them.”

    The problem, as I see it, is that when the shooter is white, is it automagically assumed that there is a racial component, while, when the shooter is black, the possibility of race being a component is downplayed / disregarded, even when there is evidence to support the charge.

  • Mac

    DC
    No the problem is a police officer with previous form of ignoring a crime even when he had video footage of the crime taking place and eye-witnesses is the same officer who decided Zimmerman had no case to answer.

    Look at this video
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/cops-son-turns-shocking-videos-release/story?id=12529580#.T3HKpuwpy7r

    If you were a police officer would you let this man walk?
    If you were Trayvon Martin’s parents would you have faith that the same officer’s decision not to arrest your unarmed son’s killer was the right decision?
    He was not my son, and I’m disturbed.

    Both cases share the same sad background, it’s only because of the so called ‘mob’ and ‘narrative’ that people say the media are pushing, that this is coming to light.

    If there was no ‘mob’ or ‘media narrative’ Zimmerman would be walking the streets right now armed. If Zimmerman’s previous assault charge against a police-officer had not been expunged he would not have been armed at all and a young man would not be dead at his hands.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mac: “No the problem is a police officer with previous form of ignoring a crime even when he had video footage of the crime taking place and eye-witnesses is the same officer who decided Zimmerman had no case to answer.”

    Each incident is a one-off. Going on what limited information we allegedly have — grass stains on the back of Zimmerman’s outfit, Zimmerman’s bloodied / broken nose and the injuries to the back of his head — it would *seem* that Trayvon had the upper hand prior be to being shot.

    Mac: “Both cases share the same sad background, it’s only because of the so called ‘mob’ and ‘narrative’ that people say the media are pushing, that this is coming to light.”

    The problem, Mac, is that mob has pretty much fouled the jury pool, meaning there is a chance that Zimmerman walks *EVEN* if he’s guilty — no way to get a fair trial. Likewise, I’d be more sanguine if they weren’t using a picture of Trayvon when he was thirteen and a mug-shot of Zimmerman — too much effort to whip up the mob. There is already a “bounty” on Zimmerman’s head, for instance. Now that the tragedy has been whipped up into a frenzy, what happens, realistically, if Zimmerman is found not guilty?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mainly, I fed up with the hypocrisy that makes Trayvon cause celebre, while the everyday murders of black youths in New York, New Haven, Los Angeles, et al and ad nauseum. Why is that, do you suppose?

    I don’t know what happened and neither does anyone else. To gin up outrage to boost some politician’s careers is irresponsible.

  • Mac

    Just out of curiosity DC, i’ll ask again, would you let the man in that video walk?
    If the man who ruled he had no case to answer was making the decisions on a case that effected you would you be happy?

    “Mainly, I fed up with the hypocrisy that makes Trayvon cause celebre, while the everyday murders of black youths in New York, New Haven, Los Angeles, et al and ad nauseum. Why is that, do you suppose?”

    I do not feel my interest in this case is any way hypocritical, my interest is based on the actions of the police officer with previous form of allowing violent offenders to walk free, whether his motivation to do so was due to it being a white on black crime or because the offender had familial links to Florida’s justice system is something everyone will have a different opinion on.
    What I would hope is that people would be in agreement that it was wrong for him to do so and his actions put the public at risk, they can argue to their hearts content after the fact why he did it.

    “The problem, Mac, is that mob has pretty much fouled the jury pool, meaning there is a chance that Zimmerman walks *EVEN* if he’s guilty ”

    No, the problem once again, is that there would be no chance of Zimmerman sitting in front of a jury without ‘the mob’. The police officer saw to that until the story broke.

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mac: “Just out of curiosity DC, i’ll ask again, would you let the man in that video walk? If the man who ruled he had no case to answer was making the decisions on a case that effected you would you be happy?”

    No, it wouldn’t. Says nothing concrete about this case, now does it?

    Mac: “I do not feel my interest in this case is any way hypocritical, my interest is based on the actions of the police officer with previous form of allowing violent offenders to walk free, whether his motivation to do so was due to it being a white on black crime or because the offender had familial links to Florida’s justice system is something everyone will have a different opinion on.”

    Or, possibly, the facts and circumstances indicated that he wasn’t guilty. You take his guilt as a given — are you privy to some bit of information that the general public isn’t?

    Mac: “What I would hope is that people would be in agreement that it was wrong for him to do so and his actions put the public at risk, they can argue to their hearts content after the fact why he did it. ”

    Again, assumes that Zimmerman did something illegal — would you be happier if Trayvon simply beat him to death, as the leaked information would seem to indicate, given the injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head / skull?

    Mac: “No, the problem once again, is that there would be no chance of Zimmerman sitting in front of a jury without ‘the mob’. The police officer saw to that until the story broke.”

    And if Zimmerman hasn’t committed a crime under Florida law, what has been achieved with this cynical circus? As for the story “breaking,” this is a month old story with no response until the usual collection of race-baiters decided to get involved. The only one missing is Sharpton’s buddies from the Tawana Brawley incident.

    Were I a betting man, the outcome here is going to be like the Duke rape case — a great deal of furor, signifying nothing, based on the information released to date.

  • Mac

    “No, it wouldn’t. Says nothing concrete about this case, now does it?”

    Of course it does, it says that the officer in charge, the man who made the decisions is not someone we can trust to act in the best interests of the public. He let a violent offender walk free without charge and like the Zimmerman case is only now facing calls to explain his actions because of the ‘baying mob’.

    The ‘baying mob’ will become a more regular occurrence thanks to the power of the internet and smart phones.

    I do not take Zimmerman’s guilt as given, but the facts of the case, from Zimmerman’s previous assault on a police officer to his reporting of 7 year old black boys as acting ‘suspiciously’ to 911 dispatchers, to his externalised state of mind on the 911 call would give me concern that his innocence should be decided on by this specific police officer instead of by a jury and judge.

    I’ll make it clear, I’m not interested in a discussion about left/right black/white election year issues. I’m interested in seeing justice done by those who command more respect than this cop. If Zimmerman is innocent I hope he walks free, if he is guilty, I hope he is taken off the streets, everything else is just a sideshow.

  • Mark

    Your right Mac , if he’s guilty he should be sent down the river so to speak – end of story , the rest is just conversation but what a conversation .

    The issue of race in America has never been resolved . There was a good movie called Crash in 93/94 that dealt with racial tension in LA . It was quite an eye opener and if you haven’t seen it and have a spare couple of hours ………

    The Music Industry has a lot to answer for in relation to the ” anti honky feeling ” that is prevelant in some parts of the states . There is no doubt that some of white middle America is terrified of the black culture and all that goes with it . This isn’t helped with labels called Death Row records . Now there’s a bounty offered by the new Black panthers .

    It’s ironic that probably the most influential artist of his generation is Tupac Shakur whose mum was a panther is the 60 / 70’s and if you listen to his tracks you can hear the aggression and anger towards the perceived injustices by the ” white man ” .

    Tupac ended up been shot dead outside a Mike Tyson fight in 94? after a rift developed between East coast and West coast rappers / gangsters .

    There is no doubt that the caption at the top of the screeen of the hooded gang is a very powerful image and while Zimmerman seems to have a touch of the Harry Callaghans about him , until all the facts have come out , it’s hard to make a proper judgement .

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mark: “There is no doubt that the caption at the top of the screeen of the hooded gang is a very powerful image and while Zimmerman seems to have a touch of the Harry Callaghans about him , until all the facts have come out , it’s hard to make a proper judgement .”

    Given how low the threshold is for an indictment at the grand jury level, that they haven’t indicted Zimmerman is suggestive that the evidence is in Zimmerman’s favor thus far.

    As for art / culture, the fella who decided that “genuine African American identity / culture = thug life did his people a terrible disservice.

  • Mac

    “Given how low the threshold is for an indictment at the grand jury level, that they haven’t indicted Zimmerman is suggestive that the evidence is in Zimmerman’s favor thus far.”

    Did they even bother with evidence before releasing him?
    Firearm incidents are supposed to carry automatic drug/alcohol tests on the shooter, as well as retention of the shooters clothes for forensic tests.

    Zimmerman was not tested for alcohol/drugs and was allowed to go home in the clothes he was wearing when he shot Martin.

  • Mark

    DC ,

    ” thug life did his people a terrible disservice ”

    Couldn’t agree more …….although the Bloods and the Cribs were around a long time before Mr Smalls and his crew were around . Tupac was so ahead of his time and I’m sure the suits ( whoever they are ) were uncomfortable with his rise in popularity and Hip Hop in general .

    Incidently , when I referred to the ” percieved injustice of the white man ” , of course there was and I was talking with regard to Tupac’s view of the world at the time .

    One of the most successful and brilliant TV series of all time is the Sopranos and I’m sure most people have heard of it . On a regular basis Tony ( or T to his capos ) refers to Black people as mullies which is sort for moulinyan ( eggplant?) which is a slag word for black people in the States . This kind of mainstream racism doesn’t help although Richard Prior in his prime might have something to say about that …………………………come on Benfica !

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Mac: “Firearm incidents are supposed to carry automatic drug/alcohol tests on the shooter, as well as retention of the shooters clothes for forensic tests.”

    Sounds like someone has watched too many CSI programs.

    For starters, you’re confusing police procedure with state law. What may be the norm. Drug testing I know isn’t de rigeur as you would state, requiring either the suspect to volunteer or a court order compelling the suspect to provide a blood, urine or hair sample. There is no law permitting the police to willy-nilly violate a suspects rights in this fashion.

    I know the drug test part is bunk — the only reason Trayvon got tested is that a tox screen is an automatic part of an autopsy.

    Now, you can argue that the police dropped the ball, but that may be what appeared to be the open and shut case — as the evidence leaked suggests, Trayvon had Zimmerman down and was beating him when he was shot. That should be easily ascertained from the autopsy via the track of the round.

    Now all *that* said, if the prosecutor doesn’t have the evidence for a grand jury, which is a pitifully low legal threshold to clear, this may simply be what it appears — a man defending himself whilst being beaten.

  • Mac

    “Sounds like someone has watched too many CSI programs.”

    Never watched CSI, but do they test the victim of a shooting for dugs/alcohol and not the shooter like they did in this case?

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Florida law requires an autopsy in the case of this nature.

    The shooter, not being dead, hasn’t surrendered his Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights.

  • I had forsworn this thread, seeing where it has been heading, but Mark @ 5:59 pm causes me to pause for thought.

    I defer to his knowledge of what has gone for “music” of late, but the racism goes back to the beginning of the record industry.

    Had Mark been around to see the juke-boxes (now, there in itself is an etymology to make your eyes water) with two distinct sections — “country” and “race” (choose the wrong one in many bars and be prepared to depart through the window-pane) — and he’d have to recognise the problem from way back. Now, Sam Phillips at Sun Records … etc., etc., as the ol’ fella drools away in the corner.

  • Mark

    Malcolm , I suppose the closest thing to Sam Philips in the present day industry would be a certain Simon Cowell ( which says it all really ) and I just wonder would the likes of Jerry Lee get past the second round of a modern day talent show ……….I’d like to think so but I have my doubts .

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Hey, Mac — you were asking about the lead investigator??

    http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-manslaughter-charge-151838720–abc-news-topstories.html

    “The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

    But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News. “

  • Mac

    “Hey, Mac — you were asking about the lead investigator??”

    I have read that already, along with the other reports from witnesses who claim that the police did not call them back, witnesses who feel they were not called back because their version of events does not fit with the story a PD in full spin mode is leaking to the public.

    So no, not the lead investigator, the ‘officer in charge’ (the term the reports are using) who made the decision to release Zimmerman without charge, the guy who decided not to charge the drunken thug in the linked video, perhaps he’s the same narcotics officer who was on the scene first who peppered Zimmerman with questions.
    Hopefully it will all come out now that a proper investigation has been promised.