Outrage as British War machine send offensive Christmas card!…

Christmas week saw Newry and Mourne Sinn Fein Councillor Brendan Curran make another contribution to his party’s on-going attempts at ‘Unionist engagement’, endeavouring to understand the Unionist psyche, and of course creating a situation and atmosphere where Unionism will embrace and accept symbols, language and historical/ cultural expression important to Irish Republicanism.

Brendan was reacting to the heinous and unforgivable act of receiving a charity Christmas card that dared to carry symbols and words directly relating to the charity it was raising funds for. The Newry and Mourne PSNI Christmas Card had chosen its 2011 charity to be the RUCGC and PSNI Benevolent Fund.

Brendan found the card both “offensive and insensitive”, felt that the RUC reference should not be used because it was disbanded over 10 years ago, and did not think that people in Newry should be reminded of the “deplorable record” of the RUC.

Brendan has continually been a stalwart in the Newry Area for ensuring that people should not be offended, ensuring that references of bygone deeds and names are not used, and making sure no-one is reminded of “deplorable records”. One of his most notable contributions to equality and creating an inclusive environment in Newry City was the Raymond McCreesh Park..

  • SK

    The man who was upset about the Kilmainham Gaol tour is now lecturing others about being hyper-sensitive.

    What’s ‘irony’ in Ulster Scots?

  • FuturePhysicist

    “Irony” I believe

  • galloglaigh

    The PSNI should have no association with the RUC if they want to increase confidence in themselves as an impartial force. Recent events in the Creggan estate in Derry, give some insight into a force that still has a bit to go. Past policing, and its inadequacy to deal properly with investigations, is the reason why the RUC was a failed force of law and order. The PSNI need to move forward, and disconnect itself from a force that is viewed (and rightly so) within the nationalist community, as sectarian, partisan, and part and parcel of unionist mis-rule in Ireland.

  • Jimmy Sands

    What’s ‘irony’ in Ulster Scots?

    Irnbru?

  • Decimus

    I suppose this sort of thing makes it more difficult for the Sinners to sell the lie that the RUC was disbanded. If Curran would like to check he will find that the full title of the PSNI includes the RUCGC.

    As pointed out in the opening post the issue here is the blatant hypocrisy, or is it simply stupidity, of low level Sinner operatives. It’s as if they are utterly incapable of seeing anything beyond their own weird little bubble.

  • galloglaigh

    Very good Jimmy!

  • Sheesh he got a Christmas card so he has little about which to complain.
    I recall circa 1973, a Protestant friend being offended at receiving a card from a neighbour(!) which was sold as a fundraiser for Republican Prisoners of War (sic)..

    This year I got a card from London, sold as a fundraiser for a group of charities. The sender underlined “Help for Heroes” and circled another charity and (jokingly) pointed out “dont worry, my money is going to this one!”

    But lets be honest……..if you cant get offended by your family and friends at Christmas…..then you will probably never be offended.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Historically, the RIC/RUC have had an association with unionist terrorists. Is that acceptable in your view? And also – could you give us a wee link to show the full title of the PSNI, which includes the RUCGC?

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    It is true that there have been a very small number of both RIC (90% catholic) and RUC officers who have had associations with loyalist terrorists, but it is hysterical nonsense to use that in order to claim that the RIC and RUC as organisations did. I would expect nothing less though from a half arsed republican propagandist such as yourself.

    Here is a link for you.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Service_of_Northern_Ireland

  • Decimus

    And just to put the myth that the RUC was disbanded to bed once and for all (at least until another republican repeats it) here is a bit more detail to prove that it was not.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/32/section/1

    Name of the police in Northern Ireland.

    (1)The body of constables known as the Royal Ulster Constabulary shall continue in being as the Police Service of Northern Ireland (incorporating the Royal Ulster Constabulary).

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    From a half arsed loyalist propagandist, that’s not bad!

    I recall as a teenager seeing a book in the library in which a photojournalist had followed a loyalist terrorist asu during its activities in East Belfast. There were photos of them (all unmasked) preparing for and then participating in what I assume was a sectarian shooting in a Catholic neighbourhood.

    After the sectarian shootout there were pictures of them sitting in an RUC station where their guns etc were piled on a table and a beaming middle aged RUC man was passing around cups of tea. The book recorded that they were then released. I can’t remember whether they had their guns confiscated or not.

    I’ve never seen that book since, and I’m assuming that the events depicted in it happened right at the beginning of the Troubles, but that is definitely what was contained in it 🙂 🙂 🙂

    (That still cracks me up)

    Your link is lovely, but where does it say the full title of the PSNI includes the RUCGC? I couldn’t find it anywhere, even in the links and footnotes?

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Does incorporating mean including, or is my dictionary wrong? Or perhaps you have an Ulster Scots dictionary?

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    Just keep reassuring yourself and your fellow drones that the RUC were disbanded. If it happened your heads then it must surely have happened.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    I forgot to give you a wee link – you should read it… It is a detailed account of the RIC’s association with unionist terrorists in the 1920’s.

  • galloglaigh

    If it happened your heads then it must surely have happened

    That’s a bit like your library book – init!

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    An interesting link. That Frank Aiken was a particularily evil piece of work. Did you have a point though?

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    It is not like ‘my’ library book at all. You imagine that the RUC was disbanded. The official legislation regarding the setting up of the PSNI makes it very clear that it was not. I’ll repeat the relevant part just in case you missed it.

    Name of the police in Northern Ireland.

    (1)The body of constables known as the Royal Ulster Constabulary shall continue in being as the Police Service of Northern Ireland (incorporating the Royal Ulster Constabulary).

    Has it sunk in yet?

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Yeah my point being that incorporating and including have two different meanings!

    There’s two interesting snippets in that book. One based around Lisburn, and the other Derry. In both cities, the UVF, the RIC, and the British army went out together and murdered innocent men women and children, simply because of their religion. The RIC in Ulster, were a tool of oppression, and nothing to be proud of. Fact!

  • galloglaigh

    Again Decimus

    Incorporating and including have two different meanings.

    Has it sunk in yet?

  • galloglaigh

    P.S.

    Can you point me to where I said the RUC were disbanded?

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    You’ll excuse me if I don’t take your second hand allegations taken allegedly from a little know book with a gigantic pinch of salt. The main outrage that I saw mentioned in the write up about the book in your link related to Frank Aicken’s IRA unit going around the homes of eight innocent Protestants and murdering them simply because of their religion. He went on to be an Irish government minister.

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    So you don’t believe that the RUC were disbanded? That’s good. That means that you are marginally better educated than Brendan Curran.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    That’s right and the RIC, along with the UVF and the British army did the same. And indeed the number of victims outnumbered eight home by a considerable margin. In Derry alone the combined loyalist forces murdered forty people in two months. So who is worse in this instance – the IRA, or the combined loyalist forces?

    P.S. The book is fully referenced and the facts that are presented in it, can be cross checked for accuracy.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    And at a guess, considerably more well educated than your good self 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • ranger1640

    Curran can take the Christmas card and put it on display in the non cross community Cuchulainn centre, in south Armagh.

    Along with the rest of the republican MOPE’ry, of British oppression of republicans at Christmas.

  • ranger1640

    Curran can take the Christmas card and put it on display in the non cross community Cuchulainn centre, in south Armagh.

    Along with the rest of the republican MOPE’ry, of alleged British oppression of republicans at Christmas.

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    I’ve already given you a little bit of help in your education, so please allow me to help out a little bit more. It is a known and admitted fact that Frank Aicken ordered the butchering of eight Protestants in south Armagh simply because of their religion. That was his IRA policy. He went on to become a leading member of the Irish government so neither they nor the IRA had any problem whatsoever with that.

    There is no doubt that members of the RIC carried out reprisals during the 20s troubles, but the actions of individuals cannot be blamed on the entire force. Further it is becoming more apparent that those who were targetted and shot by individual members of the RIC were more often than not IRA members, or people who were very closely associated with them, so stating that they were shot simply because of their religion is nonsense.

    The RIC (90% catholic) were genuinely disbanded btw.

    Finally can I just congratulate you once again on the prompt manner in which you managed to divert the thread away from the moronic outburst by Curran.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Please provide evidence to say that those murdered in the 1920’s by the RIC, were in the main IRA personnel.

    Dr. Eamon Phoenix describes the book I linked to as “a fine piece of original research” and he commented that the sectarian violence from all parties, including the Ulster Specials, the UVF, the RIC, and the British army, was violence “which very often, and in most cases, affected innocent people”. So are you more educated, or is your opinion more valid that an academic with such respect?

    And please, don’t patronise me about education. You my friend, judging by your lack of understanding of references, and bad use of the English language, could do with a refreshers course in validating your argument. Your little library book just didn’t cut it – nor does your statement defending the sectarian nature of the RIC in Ulster at the time of partition!

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    I must say that I am absolutely fascinated by your opinion that the overwhelmingly Catholic RIC were sectarian. Certainly it is a fact that the Belfast Protestants and orangemen who often felt the brunt of both their batons and their buckshot would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

    Taking you a little further in your education. If one section of the community is trying to murder police, soldiers and Protestants then it is hardly surprising that it is that section of the community which suffers the brunt of the reprisals. Do you think it would have made much sense for the RIC to concentrate on the Protestant community when the IRA was operating exclusively from the Catholic community?

    To call the RIC sectarian is laughable, but then that is the label that republicans like to stick on all of their enemies. Despite the fact that there are few on the island of Ireland who are endowed with as much sectarian hatred as them.

    Oh and check out the big brain on you and modest with it.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Seriously… That propaganda has been laid bare. The Ulster Special Constabulary was the UVF incorporated into the RIC. I haven’t time to give you an education, in fairness I’d need a week. The RIC in Ulster were not majority Catholic, that is a falacy. And to again justify RIC/UVF violence by saying the IRA operated out of the Catholic community, shows your own sectarian socialisation. The UVF were doing what the IRA were doing, and, supported by academic research, they went hand in hand with the British army and the RIC on their sectarian murder sprees. The RIC, the UVF, and the British army in that period, were as bad, if not worse, that Frank Aiken and the IRA!

    Now… About that evidence regarding RIC victims and their alleged association with the IRA. Any time soon would be nice!

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    The USC was formed from the old UVF that is certainly true. The old UVF which fought in WW1 was an entirely honourable organisation and when the IRA came up to attack Lisbellaw they sent them scuttling away with their tails between their legs. Your constant efforts at trying to label the RIC, USC, British Army, RUC etc as being as bad as the IRA is as tiresome as it is moronic.

    I don’t have the time or the inclination to start rhyming off the details of known IRA men who were shot in RIC reprisals, but I suggest that you google Tomas McCurtain.

  • galloglaigh

    I have to go out, but the old UVF didn’t fight in WWI for a start. We have already established that on another thread. The old UVF ran amock in Derry, and along with the RIC and the British army, murdered 40 people in two months. That is a fact. Don’t ever make comment on republican violence, when on the other hand you defend the sectarianism that came from the loyalist community during the partition period. You’re a hypocrite….

    Unbelievable!

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    The old UVF didn’t fight at the Somme? By God, but you are capable of doing some mightily impressive mental gymnastics. Good luck with wherever they eventually take you.

  • Chris Donnelly

    Councillor Brendan Curran make another contribution to his party’s on-going attempts at ‘Unionist engagement’, endeavouring to understand the Unionist psyche, and of course creating a situation and atmosphere where Unionism will embrace and accept symbols, language and historical/ cultural expression important to Irish Republicanism.

    Quincy
    It is instructive and appropriate that you associate the symbols of the RUC which appeared on this card with unionism as the RUC was essentially a unionist militia.

    Having articulated that position, you then challenge (through irony) Cllr Curran to accept and embrace the symbols of unionism, which would be fine if it were not the fact that the PSNI are supposed to represent a new start to policing, leaving their baggage behind them.

    Taking your blinkers off for a moment, Quincy, can you please tell us how you’d respond to the PSNI sending out a Christmas card with symbols from a charity associated with Irish republicans?

    After all, we’ve all read how offended you were at the very existence of Kilmainhaim Gaol Museum…..

  • cynic2

    Given what we heard from Smethwick recently, will next years SF Card have the Army Benevolent Fund logo on it. After all, so many of them seem to have been in receipt f benefits from the Army and MI5 down the years

  • cynic2

    Still its nice to see all the Shinners in here arguing about a Christmas card but strangely absent from the threads on the release of British Cabinet papers that shows the hunger strikers died in vain and the deal was kept from them and the one on Boston College and the implications.

    Instead we have the sham fight here about a Charity Christmas card and Republican attempts to deny that Unionists exist

    Has Connolly House ordered a no comment line on the other issues? And why do so many bloggers here seem to be under control? Baaaaaaa

  • sonofstrongbow

    Shinners and their luvvies: the gift that keeps on giving.

  • The yokel

    It’s a funny old world. According http://www.irishhungerstrike.com McCreesh had to be rescued from the Paras by the RUC and a priest. So without the RUC McCreesh would not have gone on to die in the Maze and have a park named after him in Newry City

  • Decimus

    The yokel,

    I think most of the credit needs to go to his mum.

  • The yokel

    He has been a very naughty boy

  • galloglaigh

    Mick

    The above few comments are exactly what I was talking about earlier.

    Decimus

    Can you show me a link that states the UVF fought in WWI?

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    The point is the hypocrisy of the Sinn Fein half-wit who thinks it’s coherent to big up dead Republican terrorists (responsible for about 60 per cent of Troubles deaths) while taking offence at the police (responsible for less than 3 per cent).

    And worse, taking offence at a card raising money for the thousands in the wider police family still suffering the effects of the vastly disporportionate suffering the police had to bear.

    Selfish, morally vacuous and unintentionally hilarious. What an idiot.

  • cynic2

    I think all loyalists should be concerned at getting one of these cards from PSNI – given that its now clear that 30% to 50% of the Republican Movement was colluding with the RUC!!

  • cynic2

    Gallogliah

    “The above few comments are exactly what I was talking about earlier.”

    Your sense of superiority shines though. Sadly, so too does your bigotry and racism. And if you card or ban me for that Mick I presume you will do the same to him!

  • galloglaigh

    Pot Kettle Black cynic2. And if you want to brand me a racist bigot, please show me where you find my comments bigoted and racist. I could go through your comment history and write a book on your own bigotry!

  • galloglaigh

    given that its now clear that 30% to 50% of the Republican Movement

    Can you prove that cynic, or is that another case of you making up stories?

  • cynic2

    I suggest you read the Smethwick transcripts for yourself.

    As for the evidence just try reading you own sectarian rants on here. Now I suggest you have a Happy New Year playing with the other little Trolls

  • galloglaigh

    cynic2

    I suggest you take your own advice, and read the transcripts yourself. No evidence has been presented to the Smithwick Tribunal to back up what you say. Someone telling a story, is different to someone giving solid evidence. Solid evidence was not presented, just one man’s word. Big big difference my friend. It’s a bit like the loyal contributors on Slugger – You and others offer opinions, and when asked to back them up with links and evidence, you continually ignore such requests.

    As for Trolls, you are one of the biggest on this site. You are continually asked to substantiate your bigoted comments – again and again you cannot seem do this. So…

    Have a Happy New Year playing with the other little Trolls!

  • cynic2

    Galloglaigh

    To borrow a phrase:

    “I welcome this opportunity of pricking the bloated bladder of lies with the poniard of truth” and clearly exposure of your bias has pricked you. If you want the evidence just click on ‘profile’ beside your name, read back on your posts and try and see just how narrow perverse and green tinted a perspective you have, my friend

    On here too your bluster will not work. You make the most outrageous, unjustified and unverified or supported assertions, then when challenged scream for those facing you down to produce proof and to cite references. You quote at length but very selectively from alleged sources – many of which are themselves as well connected with reality as you seem to be, Then when other sources are quoted back to you you simply dismiss them out of hand, selecting only views that fit your mindset. When cornered or exposed intellectually (and its not that hard) you then become personally abusive and accuse anyone who has a different view of bigotry and sectarianism.

    I am content for anyone on this site to review my comments. They will see what sort of person I am – just as from yours they can assess you.

    I stand by my comments. Either sir you are a Troll or even worse, you really believe the posts you make here

  • Davy McFaul

    “It’s now clear that 30% to 50% of the Republican Movement was colluding with the RUC”

    If, (and it’s a big if) one accepts your claims Cynic you also realise that this means that that “gallant” force so revered by the Unionist community are responsible for deliberate murder of civillians don’t you?

    I just wanted to point to the implications of such a claim in case you’d missed it in your eagerness to wind the chucks up.

  • cynic2

    “this means that that “gallant” force so revered by the Unionist community are responsible for deliberate murder of civillians don’t you?”

    Does it? That depends what the aim was and who they were colluding with doesn’t it. They could have been trying to stop murders by the 50% not under control

  • cynic2

    Ps Davy ….very gallant – indeed they got a medal for it. ANd very effective which is why they won the war

  • Davy McFaul

    “Does it? That depends what the aim was and who they were colluding with doesn’t it. They could have been trying to stop murders by the 50% not under control”

    So it was only 50% of the Chucks that were doing the business then? Okay, I’m sure the families of the dead will be pleased to hear that. I’m sure that they’ll absolutely understand the RUC’s “aim” and how ineffective they were in acheiving it.

  • galloglaigh

    Davy

    Making claims against the gallant RUC like that – you will be branded a sectarian bigot. People like cynic only see what they want to see. They wouldn’t know proper history if it bit their leg!

    Cynic2

    That wee attack does nothing for your great standing as an outstanding member of the loyal Slugger community. Anything I put out there, is usually well referenced, and usually academic!

    Now…

    Your wee claim about the republican movement: It comes from Martin Ingram; a man who in his book Stakeknife, claims that the “RUC [was involved] in the murder of the Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane… The FRU [played] God with [lives]… The British State organised and participated in state-sponsored murder… [And] Brian Nelson… infiltrated the UDA, but, rather that save lives, instead he contributed to dozens of sectarian attacks… Nelson [and the UDA] was being used as an extension of the British army’s secret war on the Provisional IRA”. So do you also believe these allegations, or just the allegations that suit your biased and uncorroborated opinion?

  • galloglaigh

    ANd very effective

    They were that effective that the HET and the Police Ombudsman were set up to sort the mess out they left behind. The didn’t deserve the GC, and they deserve no credit whatsoever. They will go down in history as a partisan and sectarian force, who used the UVF and UDA to do their dirty work!

  • ForkHandles

    LOL, 2012 and the chuckies are still going on about all this ‘looking for ways to be anti british never mind how silly it makes them look” stuff. Really its time to get the men in white coats in for these guys….
    If we are not careful then one of them will start another one of those “who said wat to who in the hunger strikes” threads!! …. hmmm….

  • Decimus

    They will go down in history as a partisan and sectarian force

    Anything I put out there, is usually well referenced, and usually academic!

    What a remarkably strange person.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Not that you are on, can you show me where the UVF fought in WWI? UVF men joined the British army, as did IRA men. That does not mean that the UVF and the IRA fought in WWI.

    I recall an interview on Radio Foyle this year, where a guy told the story of his grandfather’s death at the hands of the honourable old UVF. His two great uncles, both Catholics and both from Derry, died on the front-line. His Grandmother met a Scots man who was stationed at Ebrington. He was a Protestant and eventually, after returning from France, settled in Derry. Him and his family lived in Bond street, an overwhelmingly Protestant street. He decided to convert to Catholicism, and the UVF decided that he should be murdered. That is how his life ended, at the hands of men you deem to be entirely honourable. Your a hypocrite when you talk of the wrongs of republicanism, and defend men like the old UVF!

  • Decimus

    Well referenced and usually academic. What was it? The Gerry Anderson Show?

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    Another kop out then… Good man… New year, no change!

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    For the record I don’t intend to play your ridiculous games in 2012. Just be aware that saying that the UVF did not fight in WW1 is as moronic as saying that the Bradford Pals did not fight there either. Now get back to your ‘academic research’.

  • galloglaigh

    It was Mark Patterson’s show, and it was a real interview – not out of a library book that I cant remember the name of.

    That just reminds me:

    I recall as a teenager seeing a book in the library in which a photojournalist had followed the old UVF during its activities in Lisburn. There were photos of them (all unmasked) preparing for and then participating in what I assume was a sectarian rampage in a Catholic neighbourhood.

    After the sectarian rampage there were pictures of them sitting in an RIC station where their guns etc were piled on a table and a beaming middle aged RIC man was passing around cups of tea. The book recorded that they were then released. I can’t remember whether they had their guns confiscated or not.

    I’ve never seen that book since, and I’m assuming that the events depicted in it happened right at the the time of partition, but that is definitely what was contained in it 🙂 🙂 🙂

    That comment of yours still cracks me up – It has to have been the comment of 2011 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    Are you ten?

  • galloglaigh

    So Decimus

    Where can I read about their battles in WWI? Are they on the British army’s history of WWI? They must have been a regiment? Perhaps they were incorporated into the British army (similar to the RUC sceneario), and like the RUC, they were perhaps (given that incorporated and included have two different meanings), were not actually included in the British army, more incorporated as other than the UVF?

    The Irish volunteers were also incorporated into the British army. After WWI, many would fight against the British in the War of Independence on the IRA’s side. So, were they also honourable, given that they were also at the Somme, and were as sectarian as the old UVF during the period after WWI in Ireland?

  • galloglaigh

    Na eleven and a half!

  • cynic2

    “Anything I put out there, is usually well referenced, and usually academic!”

    tripe iomlán

  • cynic2

    Galloaigh

    They still won the war.

    Night night diddums

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    Given your young age I suggest that you start with Wikipedia. When you get a bit older google Cyril Falls.

  • galloglaigh

    Decimus

    You can’t defend the old UVF given their history, then try and say people like De Valera were lunatics. The men you see as honourable, were anything but when they returned from WWI. All the evidence is there in a book I linked to a while ago. Dr. Eamon Phoenix praises its originality, and I recommend you read it. It might give you something to do, other than trolling on Slugger O’Toole. Ultimately, you’ll gain some education into the activities of the loyalist volunteers at the time this island was partitioned. They were as bad as the IRA in that period.

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    For someone who relies on referenced and usually academic information you are remarkably quick to denigrate entire organisations because of the actions or indeed the alleged actions of a tiny number of their members. Being only eleven and a half that is perhaps forgiveable, but when you get a bit older I suggest that you expand your reading material and try to get a bit of perspective in your life. People who were born in the fifties and sixties, and indeed later, with your perspective on Northern Ireland did some pretty horrendous things and went through some horredous shit themselves. I’d really hate for that to happen to you.

    Read a book or two that don’t back up the prejudices you have been reared with. Oh and good luck in the big school.

  • galloglaigh

    sin é go díreach!

  • Decimus

    galloglaigh,

    Well you achieved your aim in getting me a yellow card. Good for you.

  • cynic2

    Decimus

    We are all – mostly me – making the classic mistake.

    DONT FEED THE TROLL

  • galloglaigh

    cynic2

    You claim that its now clear that 30% to 50% of the Republican Movement were colluding with the RUC: It comes from Martin Ingram’s statement to the Smithwick Tribunal. In Martin Ingram’s book Stakeknife, he claims that the “RUC [was involved] in the murder of the Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane… The FRU [played] God with [lives]… The British State organised and participated in state-sponsored murder… [And] Brian Nelson… infiltrated the UDA, but, rather that save lives, instead he contributed to dozens of sectarian attacks… Nelson [and the UDA] was being used as an extension of the British army’s secret war on the Provisional IRA”. So do you also believe these allegations, or just the allegations that suit your biased and uncorroborated opinion?

  • Decimus

    Cynic2,

    You are quite correct and I won’t make the same mistake again.

  • Davy McFaul

    “LOL, 2012 and the chuckies are still going on about all this looking for ways to be anti british never mind how silly it makes them look stuff”

    I don’t know if that’s directed at me FH but if you’re suggesting that I’m either a Chuck or anti – Brit not only are you very presumptious but you are also very wrong.

  • cynic2

    Gallolaigh

    Some sites for you to carry out research on:

    http://www.trollz.com/home/error.php?a=flash

    I think you will find them more your intellectual level

  • galloglaigh

    Cynic

    You’ve clearly lost the argument. Now you’re resorting to man playing. See above question!

  • Mike the First

    Chris Donnelly

    “Taking your blinkers off for a moment, Quincy, can you please tell us how you’d respond to the PSNI sending out a Christmas card with symbols from a charity associated with Irish republicans?”

    There are a few things that you, and indeed Cllr Curran, need to get your head around. I’ll start with the two most glaring ones.

    The first is that it’s perfectly natural for the police service to support the benevolent fund for former officers of that service.

    The second is that the RUC was in fact not “disbanded”, but was renamed as the PSNI.

  • andnowwhat

    The card’s funny given that the very same group (and the CC’s office) told ex RUC part time reserve to fek off and find 20 grand each to fight a case recently. I know this because a friend of mine is involved in the case.

    I’ll post more detail tomorrow when I get my friend to go over detail, again

  • Tweedybird

    What about when the policemen where killed in the bombing of their station in Newry Brendan and the good folk of Newry came out and cheered? now that’s what you call offensive .

  • Davy McFaul

    How many of the population of Newry are you speaking about Tweedy, 100%, half, a third, a quarter, nine?

    What sampling are you using as a basis for your ‘what about’ and can your alleged reactions to Newry citizens to RUC deaths be used as a gauge as to how the citizens of Newry felt about that particular police force?

  • cynic2

    Now you’re resorting to man playing”

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  • galloglaigh

    cynic2

    Never mind the stupid links. What about the question I asked you:

    You claim that its now clear that 30% to 50% of the Republican Movement were colluding with the RUC: It comes from Martin Ingram’s statement to the Smithwick Tribunal. In Martin Ingram’s book Stakeknife, he claims that the “RUC [was involved] in the murder of the Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane… The FRU [played] God with [lives]… The British State organised and participated in state-sponsored murder… [And] Brian Nelson… infiltrated the UDA, but, rather that save lives, instead he contributed to dozens of sectarian attacks… Nelson [and the UDA] was being used as an extension of the British army’s secret war on the Provisional IRA”. So do you also believe these allegations, or just the allegations that suit your biased and uncorroborated opinion?

    You’re Trolling your way out of a difficult question, which you know has hit a raw nerve 🙂 😮 🙁

  • sonofstrongbow

    I’m always intrigued by Irish Republicans penchant for citing ‘British agents’ or loyalist terrorists as sources – so long as they appear to peddle the Republican narrative (it was the Brits {bogeymen} what done it).

    Should those same interlocutors challenge Republican myths they are dropped as speedily as hot rocks and name-called as sectarian baddies or securocrats.

    Republicans can also be relied upon to utilise this argument whilst trumpeting their brief in their own lack of bias. A sort of double whammy, but fun to watch nevertheless.

  • cynic2

    Gallolaigh

    Quick. Your friends are in trouble and only YOU can help them

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  • HeinzGuderian

    I must admit,The Slugger Arms hasn’t changed One bit in my absence.
    The drinks are on me,and One for your good self Mick. It looks like it’s going to be a long night. 😉

  • Davy McFaul

    In all fairness SOS Unionists are quite adept at doing exactly the same thing ala Seán O’Callaghan, Tony McIntyre, Darkie Hughes, Marian Price etc.