MoD offer compensation to Bloody Sunday families

The BBC are reporting that the Ministry of Defence has offered to pay compensation to the families of those killed and injured on Bloody Sunday.

Following the Saville enquiry and David Cameron’s apology for Bloody Sunday in the House of Commons, the solicitors Madden and Finucane who represent a number of the families wrote to the Prime Minister. They asked the government what steps it was taking to “fully compensate” the families for “the loss of their loved ones, the wounding of others, and the shameful allegations which besmirched their good name for many years”.

The Ministry of Defence has now written to the lawyers saying that it would like to resolve the compensation claims as quickly and efficiently as possible “where there was a legal liability to do so”. The MoD said that it acknowledged the pain felt by the families for nearly 40 years and that members of the armed forces “acted wrongly” and that the government was “deeply sorry”. The sisters of William Nash, one of the victims, have, however, denounced the offer.From the BBC:

Mr Nash’s sisters, Linda and Kate, said they would never accept MoD money.
“It is repulsive, offensive,” Linda Nash said.
“Not now or at any time will I accept money.
“I’ve already told my legal team I want to go forward with prosecutions.”
Her sister Kate Nash said her view was that her brother’s life was “too worthwhile to accept monetary compensation”.
“Nothing can compensate for his loss,” she added.
“He was too precious.
“The only thing that can give me peace is if the perpetrators are brought to justice.”

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  • michael-mcivor

    The law tighten’s around the brit goverment’s neck as they look for a money-way out-

  • sonofstrongbow

    The government has of course already spent massively on Bloody Sunday and no doubt will continue to fund whatever legal actions the families wish to pursue. Whenever the compensation comes along I expect the amounts offered will again cause upset to other victims and will underscore that a hierarchy of victims exists that is heavily weighted in favour of victims of ‘Crown Forces’ in the “war”.

    Although compensation is appropriate if the government thinks that this latest proposed expenditure will resolve the issue it is very mistaken. Despite an obscenely expensive inquiry and a frank apology by the Prime Minister in Parliament, and no doubt large payouts to come, Bloody Sunday will rumble on.

  • carl marks

    sonofstrongbow

    Bloody Sunday will rumble on.

    Thats the sort of thing that happens when you murder innocent people and then lie through your teeth afterwards.

  • AGlassOfHine

    Thats the sort of thing that happens when you murder innocent people and then lie through your teeth afterwards.

    DFM………………..are you listening ?

  • Harry Flashman

    “Thats the sort of thing that happens when you murder innocent people and then lie through your teeth afterwards.”

    Martin McGuinness believes we should leave the past behind, no need to examine past atrocities, murders committed in the course of the Troubles should simply be left behind.

    Double standards much?

  • JR

    Son Of Strongbow,
    Well the only thing worse than having your innocent 17 year old son killed by crown forces, is have those crown forces plant evidence on him and brand him a criminal for decades because they can’t face their crime.

    Don’t blame the victims for the cost of nearly £200 million cost of the Inquiries so far. Blame the system that took this to admit they were wrong.

  • carl marks

    AGlassOfHine, Harry Flashman.

    i repeat
    Thats the sort of thing that happens when you murder innocent people and then lie through your teeth afterwards.

    applys to all, however we are talking about bloody sunday,
    JR. about sum it up

  • carl marks

    sorry typo should have read,
    about sums it up

  • Harry Flashman

    “those crown forces plant evidence on him and brand him a criminal”

    If you are referring to the allegation that soldiers planted a nail bomb on one of the victims (not Nash as far as I am aware) I think you will find that Saville rejected this claim and accepted that the young man had been carrying the nail bomb in question.

  • sonofstrongbow

    JR,

    Have you heard of the Saville Inquiry? Do you know the Prime Minister apologised for the behaviour of the Para troops fulsomely and openly in Parliament in front of the World’s media?

    The victims’ innocence has been established and the earlier handling of the incident lambasted and accepted as wrong by the government.

    There were no findings of murder. However setting that to one side the behaviour of some troops was undeniably reckless and fire was opened inappropriately. Notwithstanding what must have been a difficult and frightening situation for the soldiers the actions of some were unjustifiable.

    All this is in the public domain and is accepted by most people. Such a level of investigation will not be applied to many many other victims yet the due pound of flesh is rejected in favour of a demand for continuous bloodletting.

    As has already been alluded to I thought Republicans weren’t doing the ‘past’ anymore? I was thinking of the savings to the public purse when the HET, CAJ, the Pat Finucane Centre et al were all stood down.

    Not another false dawn surely?

  • Dec

    ‘If you are referring to the allegation that soldiers planted a nail bomb on one of the victims (not Nash as far as I am aware) I think you will find that Saville rejected this claim and accepted that the young man had been carrying the nail bomb in question.’

    Harry

    Saville used the word ‘probably’. How they arrived at this conclusion given that inquiry heard that neither the soldier who first examined Mr Donaghey nor the army medical officer who received him at the aid post had found anything suspicious when they had checked over Gerald Donaghey’s body.

    ‘Whenever the compensation comes along I expect the amounts offered will again cause upset to other victims and will underscore that a hierarchy of victims exists that is heavily weighted in favour of victims of ‘Crown Forces’ in the “war”.

    Strongbow

    The difference being that the British Government and MOD typically spend 40 years implying their victims had it coming before eventually stumping up with the truth.

  • sonofstrongbow

    Dec,

    Good spot. Yes there is a “difference”. It is that the Government has admitted wrongdoing. The victims of Irish Republican murder gangs remain categorised as having ” had it coming”.

    I do hope that Marty does become the next squatter in the Viceregal Lodge and the families of the police officers murdered in Londonderry a few days before Bloody Sunday lodge a compo claim at the Aras.

    Although I doubt it will happen. No one does long-livid bitterness as well as an Irish Republican: if Heineken did MOPEry ………..

  • Dec

    ‘Good spot. Yes there is a “difference”. It is that the Government has admitted wrongdoing. The victims of Irish Republican murder gangs remain categorised as having ” had it coming”.’

    Not by society at large or the history books. I’m sure even you can discren a difference there.

    It’s interesting that you appear to be assuming that the families of murdered police officer families haven’t been compensated. I’m pretty sure they have been. Another disadvantage in having been murdered by HMG.

  • Typical of ‘Aglassof Heinzy to twist everything. This compensation stunt by MoD is to hopefully avert court prosecutions by means of bribery. Don’t think many are fooled though.

  • AGlassOfHine

    Typical of ‘Aglassof Heinzy to twist everything. This compensation stunt by MoD is to hopefully avert court prosecutions by means of bribery. Don’t think many are fooled though. ???

    I think you will find old dear,that madden and finucane wrote to the Government seeking compensation.

    Typical of your good self to twist the facts.What,what ?

  • ranger1640

    The government have told the world of their part and even apologised for their acts on January 30th 1972, and are going to pay compensation as requested by the families of the victims.

    It seems others who seek high office and who had an active role on that day, are finding it a bit more difficult to tell the world what they did???

    But did we really expect anything different!!!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15022909

  • Old Mortality

    And there I was thinking it was all over since it was only ever about truth and justice. But I suppose David Ford may to blame by putting the boot into legal aid and the likes of Madden & Finucane have to eat don’t they? So enough of that oul guff about truth and justice.

    Mind you them Nash women are letting the side down a bit. Not true Derry wans.

  • galloglaigh

    I would agree that this is a good move for the families. They should all take compensation. Those who don’t think it is morally right, can donate the money to Children in Crossfire for example. These families deserve compensation, given what the government and the MOD have put them through the last forty years.

    I would also agree, that there is sufficient evidence available to put at least one of the soldiers in the dock. If it is good enough for former republican and loyalist combatants to be put in the dock for past actions, then the same should apply to the military.

  • ranger1640

    Can I ask a question that doesn’t seem to being asked and McGuinness has brought up?
    Exactly how easy is it to leave the IRA???

    The provisional republican moment watchers here can confirm or dismiss this.
    I was under the understanding that the provos did not canvas for members, people came to them?

    Not only that but the first approach was always declined? This was to ensure that if you came back to join you were serious.

    So you have come back for a second time to join, the provos have now sorted out your bonafides and you have now joined. You get your induction/oath, your belt and beret, and then start your terror training meeting the various members of your team.

    Is it conceivable that after the above, the contacts and IRA knowledge you build up? That the day arrives and you dander into the pub, meet with your OC, and tell him that as of closing time tonight you are no longer a member of the provos, and with that you hand over your belt and beret, and leave???

    That just does not sound convincing!!!

    I would have thought that members would have been discouraged from leaving (hence the second approach and your seriousness to join). As obviously you would have knowledge of all the members in your team/company, their actives, locations of arms, safe houses and training locations.

    Can they seriously take the chance of you leaving with all this information???

    It’s just inconceivable.
    Is it not a case that when you join the provos it is for life or until death???

    If McGuinness is to believed, in that he left the provos in the early 70’s he is certainly making it sound like the provos was more akin to a country club with the joining and leaving!!!!

    And let’s remember provos never lie, just like you can’t be a good republican and be involved in crime!!! Now there’s and oxymoron.

    It wasn’t honest,

    http://www.u.tv/News/I-didnt-kill-anybody-McGuinness/04ef728b-a314-40fd-9430-4fc2d0b7a9db

  • sonofstrongbow

    McGuinness claims to have left a couple of years after Bloody Sunday – the oft cited “recruiting sergeant” for the IRA; and him a Wan!

    He now tells us he never did nuffink guv (his ‘I didn’t inhale speech).

    The explanation could be that he was dismissed after failing to hit his targets after a number of ‘could do better’ reports. Standing in front of Free Derry Corner his beret and dark glasses are ripped from him and trampled underfoot and he is forced to do the ‘walk of shame’.

    I can see it could have happened that why. Couldn’t it?

  • Old Mortality

    Galloglaigh
    ‘I would agree that this is a good move for the families. They should all take compensation.’

    Even the ones who wittered on about just wanting truth and justice? I can remember at least one who did on camera.

    ‘Those who don’t think it is morally right, can donate the money to Children in Crossfire for example.’

    Or the Bloody Sunday Trust?

    And should the compensation payments take into account any ‘commissions’ that might have been received from lawyers?

  • galloglaigh

    … the ones who wittered on about just wanting truth and justice?

    They’ve had the truth… The justice is slow in coming… Maybe one day… Before the soldiers in question pass into the eternal oven?

    Last week there was a thread on the decision the Orange Order made about Elliot and Kennedy. Nationalist posters were thanked for not using it as a stick to pick holes in the Order. Bloody Sunday, and we all know what happened, is no excuse to blame Martin McGuinness for what happened. Out of control soldiers engaged in grave killings of civilians. Most of whom can be deemed innocent, with the exception of Gearld Donaghy (only because of the controversy surrounding the nail bombs).

    Maybe loyalist Sluggerites could stick to the topic, and debate the issue of compensation for the families, and whether or not they agree. Let’s not have a poking match at someone who did not contribute to the killings on Bloody Sunday.

  • galloglaigh

    Ranger1640

    As far as I’m aware, when your position within the Provos is compromised, by going to jail for example, you have the choice of becoming non-active militarily, or you can continue.

  • ranger1640

    Galloglaigh “As far as I’m aware, when your position within the Provos is compromised, by going to jail for example, you have the choice of becoming non-active militarily, or you can continue”.

    Galloglaigh, is non active militarily, leaving the provos??? Or is it you’re just not a bomber or shooter but something else????

  • AGlassOfHine

    “Maybe loyalist Sluggerites could stick to the topic, and debate the issue of compensation for the families, and whether or not they agree. Let’s not have a poking match at someone who did not contribute to the killings on Bloody Sunday.”

    It’s up to the families to accept compensation or not,as the case may be.

    As for the DFM not contributing to the killings that day?Well,I for one,would be very interested as to his activities. I’m not certain he told the truth,the whole truth,and nothing but the truth. Are you ?

  • Limerick

    “It’s interesting that you appear to be assuming that the families of murdered police officer families haven’t been compensated. I’m pretty sure they have been. Another disadvantage in having been murdered by HMG.”

    The BS families were of course compensated back then as well.

  • AGlassOfHine

    ‘As far as I’m aware, when your position within the Provos is compromised, by going to jail for example, you have the choice of becoming non-active militarily, or you can continue.’

    The Loughgall Lost Souls being deemed Militarily Non-Active,I presume ?

  • Limerick

    Hine,

    Au contraire. Dead Provos tend to contribute more to the ‘struggle’ than the living ones. Especially nowadays.

  • Belfast_Citizen

    Bla bla bla bloody sunday – When will this bloody sunday saga ever end? it was tragic what happened but those people killed on bloody Sunday were not the only ones killed during the troubles. What about all the other victims who haven’t had their (multimillion pound) day in court?

    At least the British government has put it’s hands up and admitted fault, I wonder if the Irish government is going to come clean too about the dodgy dealings with the IRA it was involved in.

  • iluvni

    Are all these legal firms, even after the report and the ‘apology’, still on the gravy train?

  • between the bridges
  • bumper14

    Madden and Finucane have made millions out of “Bloody Sunday”- tax payers money. Can anyone divulge what exactly they have done with it all or how much they contributed to Sinnfein/IRA?

  • bumper14

    What about some compensation for the scores of Protestant protesters that were seriously injured by rubber bullet headshots at the Drumcree protest?

  • Little James

    I see the solicitor representing the “Ballymurphy Massacre”, Paddy Murray, is the son of “community activist, conflict resolution” expert, Sean “Spike” Murray.

    On and on it goes.

  • Yes, of course. It is the fault of the families that their loved ones were murdered. Why can’t they stop their whining and get on with life?

  • galloglaigh

    At least the British government has put it’s hands up and admitted fault

    Aye, after 40 years, two inquiries, and £200 million. If they had of admitted fault in 1972, Bloody Sunday would be a distant memory!

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