POTD – There was talk of a dirty protest!

Sinn Fein ard fheis Waterfront Hall

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  • northbelfastview

    Sums Sinn Fein up beautifully. Towards a new republic, but can’t leave the past alone.

  • Turgon

    Hopefully they allow the children to eat.

  • galloglaigh

    Yeah I hope they don’t do what the British government did during the Great Famine, and not let our children eat!

    Who can’t leave the past alone eah!

  • northbelfastview

    See what I mean now we are going back to the time of the potato blight. For republicans the past is like some sort of comfort blanket.

  • Turgon

    galloglaigh,
    Look my apologies. I did not know that your children were starved by the British Government during the famine. I am really sorry. It must truly have been awful. I am sure you and your wife were devastated.

    Tell me from which King did you get the telegram for your 100th birthday? Since if you had children during the famine you must have reached 100 long before Queen Elizabeth became Queen. Then again maybe Queen Victoria sent it.

    Intergenerational cross century MOPEry strikes again.

  • TwilightoftheProds

    I thought it was pretty funny.

    Says something that Shinners seem to be lighter in tone than sluggerites…hunger strikes, great famine…say wha?

    I’m told they were selling bottled water branded ‘Only our rivers run free’….this is all as much Noel’s House Party as the Republic 2016 or veneration of armed struggle.

    Good.

  • lamhdearg

    I hope the Blanket coverage the shinners have received for their conference is repeated for the rest of the partys.

  • A little something for the Naíolann (show).

  • carl marks

    northbelfastview (profile) says:
    11 September 2011 at 9:16 am

    Sums Sinn Fein up beautifully. Towards a new republic, but can’t leave the past alone.

    Tell me, which is your favourite day out of these two things
    1/ the battle of the Boyne
    2/ the Somme
    Neither has of course anything to do with the past.

    arrange the following words into a well known phrase,

    pot kettle black

  • galloglaigh

    carl marks

    Something I highlighted yesterday in relation to others’ not being able to leave the past alone.

    Pot kettle black indeed.

    What Turgon fails to realise, is that all the people in Ireland, except the ‘Landed Gentry’ were refused the economic might of the British Empire during the Famine. That’s how history has recorded it, and rightly so!

    P.S. I sent the card back to the King: I don’t like foreigners sending me silly cards on my burfday!

  • northbelfastview

    Carl would that be whataboutery??? I bet your da Carl, is bigger then my da!!!

    However I do take on board your point Carl.

    From now on, I will never say that Sinn Fein are a revisionist republican party trying to rewrite history. Oh dam I already have.

  • galloglaigh

    Sinn Fein are a revisionist republican party trying to rewrite history

    The problem with some of our history, is that it has been written with the help of the state’s account of what happened. Bloody Sunday shows that, even though the state tried to whitewash the murder of citizens, the campaigning by the families, with the help of Sinn Fein, ensured that the truth was set free in the end. Re-writing history, and uncovering the truth, are two different matters all together.

    If you would like some more examples, an Gorta Mór is a classic example. The Tories arming the UVF is another. That is still denied by some in their ranks. More recently, you have the role of the UDR in pay-rolling and arming loyalists, or the RUC’s failure to protect citizens. The Ballymurphy Massacre. And so on… And so on…

  • carl marks

    northbelfastview
    if pointing out the hypocrisy of those who live in the past and accuse others of not being able to leave the past alone is whataboutery then maybe it is.
    im glad your da is a big man, mine was merely a good one only 5′ 6″ tall,, and you never answered my question whats your fav day out did i not list it. was it the relief of Derry.

  • tacapall

    Galloglaigh you only have to walk up the Falls Road to see who’s trying to rewrite history. What happened to that dream of a 32 county socialist republic.

  • northbelfastview
  • northbelfastview

    Curragh 2.10 result. We win again!!!

  • galloglaigh

    tacapall

    That dream has been delayed, due to the greed of the Irish political class in the south. They learned nothing from history: If those in power take all the spoils, it’s those at the bottom who suffer. Those at the bottom usually bite back, and put those at the top out on their arses!

    What you are pointing out, is a change in tactic, not a rewriting of history. Again that is two different things.

  • galloglaigh

    Curragh 2.10 result. We win again!!!

    but can’t leave the past alone!

  • northbelfastview

    My favourite day out, St Patrick’s day with all my Royal Irish Rangers/Regiment comrades singing all our favourite traditional songs. But what barring has that with this sinn fein poster, and their revisionism and constant attempts to rewrite history?

    If you wait long enough I’m sure MP willgo out of his way find a nice poster at the Unionist parties conference. So you can comment about, but if I remember right (taking into consideration and knowing how republicans like to remember for us) the poster is at a sinn fein conference.

  • carl marks

    On the pic at the top of the thread will the DUP TUV and UUP have instead of a crèche a place for parking Zimmer frames,

  • northbelfastview

    What’s wrong galloglaigh don’t you do irony?????

    I think they feed the horse on potatoes. Is that ironic for you.

  • northbelfastview

    There you go Carl, we do agree on something.

    Quote from Carl “On the pic at the top of the thread will the DUP TUV and UUP have instead of a crèche a place for parking Zimmer frames”,

  • northbelfastview

    Snapper MP, must be wetting his Irish navvy pants, at all these posts on one of his snaps.

  • northbelfastview

    Maybe the DUP could have a creche for toy boys????

  • galloglaigh

    NBV

    Ironic that you complain about others looking to the past, while you do the same. Init!

    Horses and spuds; bad mess to clean up!

  • northbelfastview

    Your quite right gall, it was not right of me to mention the the irony of the poster at a sinn fein conference. Where the shinner mantra this year is Towards a new republic, with the inference of moving forward, while their poster makes reference to the long gone Long Kesh.

    How silly of me to make a comparison, I should have know that sinn fein are not a revisionist party.

    Oh, I think I just seen the first Pegasusof the autumn fly past.

  • galloglaigh

    Mods, ignore that last comment. Apologies, please remove!

  • Jeeze, is humour not allowed on a Sunday?

  • pippakin

    MP

    I think everyone was trying to avoid the smell…

  • Limerick

    “More recently, you have the role of the UDR in pay-rolling and arming loyalists, or the RUC’s failure to protect citizens. The Ballymurphy Massacre. And so on… And so on…”

    Some pretty impressive examples of republican attempts at rewriting history there. Well done you.

  • Limerick

    Should the word (Long) not be replaced with (Car)? 🙂

  • galloglaigh

    Some pretty impressive examples of republican attempts at rewriting history there. Well done you

    Since you think I’m attempting to rewrite history, why don’t you explain that? Instead throwing jibes, throw some evidence in there big lad.

    You might even get a ‘Well done you’ if you succeed, but somehow I doubt it.

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    Where to start? Your nonsense claim that the UDR pay rolled and armed loyalists for instance is so laughable that it is hardly worthy of comment.

    The RUC paid a fairly heavy price in defending citizens mainly because the lunatics who made up the Provisional republican movement were targetting and murdering them.

    The Ballymurphy ‘massacre’ took place in the midst of the Provisional murder campaign. Without their earnest endeavours there would have been no soldiers (brought in incidentally at the request of nationalists) on the streets of Ballymurphy.

    Given that the Provos were responsible for the bulk of the deaths here, and that most of the remainder were in response to their efforts, it is understandable that they should like to rewrite history.

  • galloglaigh

    Your nonsense claim that the UDR pay rolled and armed loyalists

    This little article says my claim is not nonsense, but you can make your own mind up.

    Some of the points raised, by the British army themselves are as follows:

    The `For UK Eyes Only’ documents, uncovered by the Pat Finucane Centre, reveal how:

    • Army chiefs feared that 70 soldiers in one UDR unit were linked to the UVF in west Belfast, including one member of the notorious Shankill Butcher gang;

    • One UDR unit was suspected of siphoning-off £47,000 to the UVF while UDR equipment was regularly stolen from another unit to support the loyalist terror group;

    • UVF members were regularly allowed to socialise at the UDR’s Girdwood barracks social club;

    • Army chiefs considered secretly testing firing UDR soldiers’ weapons to check whether they had been used in sectarian murders;

    • The collusion investigation was then suspended after a senior UDR officer claimed it was damaging morale within the regiment.

    This is taken from the files uncovered:

    However, following the impetus given to the recruiting of Protestant paramilitary and extremist groups by the imposition of direct rule, (the UDA in particular was estimated to have a strength of 4,000 – 6,000 members in Belfast plus 15,000 supporters by September 1972), the problem of divided loyalties amongst UDR recruits became more marked. Joint membership of the UDA (which had objectives incompatible with those of HMG [Her Majesty’s Government]) and the UDR, became widespread, and at the same time the rate of UDR weapons losses greatly increased.

    As for the RUC failing citizens, a few names come to mind. , Mark Haddock, Freddie Scappaticci, and Torrens Knight. All these men were RUC Special Branch agents, and the RUC failed all their victims, by allowing them to carry out their actions, in the name of the Crown.

    As for the Ballymurphy Massacre, you claim it took place in the midst of the Provisional murder campaign, yet the Provos were a small and poorly armed organisation up until events like Ballymurphy, internment, and Bloody Sunday. It doesn’t excuse the murder of innocent civilians by the British army, just as much as the IRA cannot justify their killing of innocent civilians. The soldiers were brought in to protect Catholics, who were being burnt out and murdered by loyalists; pogroms were facilitated by the B-Specials. Bombay street and the ‘Battle of the Bogside’ are two examples. Remember Burntollet? Don’t also forget that, by that stage (1971), the UVF had been actively carrying out sectarian bombings and murders for at least five years.

    Given that the Provos were responsible for the bulk of the deaths here

    A point I made earlier:

    Loyalist Sluggerites like to put the 60:30:10 argument forward when pointing out who did what.

    I take it the 60 and the 30 relates to republican(60) and loyalist(30)?

    One thing that is always overlooked in that argument, is the republican and loyalist volunteers who were paid state agents. Were their actions supported and protected by the state? Does that therefore change the 60:30:10 argument?

    Three names come to mind:

    Mark Haddock, Freddie Scappaticci and Torrens Knight.

    Now if you like, you can present evidence to nonsense my claim, but I won’t hold my breath!

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    No matter how much you might like it to the actions of a few UDR members do not equate to ‘the UDR pay rolling and arming loyalists’. That sort of blanket crap is used by republicans to attempt to justify the murders of farmers and postmen. Aka rewriting history.

    Neither do the alleged actions of a few SB officers equate to ‘the RUC failing to protect citizens’. In fact the RUC paid a very heavy price in lives and injuries doing just that despite the best efforts of republican psycopaths.

    The soldiers were brought in to seperate rioting loyalists and republicans. The riots in Belfast came about because republicans started them in order to put pressure on the RUC who were fully deployed in Londonderry. When nationalists came off worst in those riots they pleaded for the army to come in. Not long afterwards the geniuses in the republican movement started shooting at them.

    Can you just confirm whether or not you believe that the Troubles largely consisted of British agents shooting at each other?

  • galloglaigh

    a few SB officers

    Ha ha, I like that one… You ever think of doing standup?

    The reason why collective unionism desn’t like inquiries into the past, or investigations into the states role in the last forty years, is that it will unravel the truth, and put to bed the few bad apples claim.

    The riots in Belfast came about because republicans started them

    Ah right, so it was republicans who started burning Catholics out of their houses in Bombay street, and the used the B-Specials to reinforce them. Now who’s rewriting what happened. I note you failed to give any evidence. Perhaps that’s why you’re a little confused my friend!

    You ask me a question, and yes that is a small chapter in a very long book. A book which will one day be published. I can tell you something for nothing: While unionists are correct to say the IRA campaign was wrong, so too are nationalists when they claim the loyalist/British campaign was equally wrong. That is the problem with loyalists, you will never admit (i) The recent conflict was started by unionism and loyalists (ii) The forces of unionism, be they state or militia, were as culpable as republicans, in drawing out the conflict, and inciting sectarianism within their own ‘community’.

    That’s what annoys me, that people like Turgon for example, blame republicans for all of the conflict, when unionists were as much to blame. That is a fact which you cannot deny.

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    Unionists and nationalists lived cheek by jowel for decades until republicans decided, rather stupidly that the time was ripe to remove Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom. The resulting nationalist riots in support of their Londonderry comrades led directly to a loyalist response and the burning of Bombay Street. Unionists were also burned out of their homes by republicans of course but that tends to be airbrushed out. Rewriting of history you see.

    “That is the problem with loyalists, you will never admit (i) The recent conflict was started by unionism and loyalists (ii) The forces of unionism, be they state or militia, were as culpable as republicans, in drawing out the conflict, and inciting sectarianism within their own ‘community’.”

    The conflict was started by republicans and it ended when they surrendered their weapons and repudiated violence. Just like turning off a tap.

  • galloglaigh

    Again, you are forgetting the resurfacing of the UVF in 1966, and the bombings in 1969. The B-Specials and loyalist hard men were busy getting their hands dirty, when the Provos were a poorly armed, and badly organised group. That is the fact of the matter, and no matter how you dress it up, it’s the truth. The wheels of the Orange state were falling off in 1969, and now the horse is nearly dead from dragging the carriage for four decades.

    The conflict started when English Protestants put Irish Catholics off their land, because they wouldn’t reform, and become loyal citizens.

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    That gigantic chip on your shoulder is based largely on bollocks.

  • galloglaigh

    You see again, you throw jibes, without any substantiated evidence to back your case. It would appear, that the chip is on your shoulder, and your last few (uncorroborated) comments, have come from the little hole behind your bollocks: your arse.

    If you have nothing more to offer in way of evidence, I’m off to bed. Don’t spend all night looking, as you won’t find any!

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    You are the one making the accusations and therefore you are the one who needs to provide evidence. So far all you have provided is the Anphoblacht version of history.

    Good luck with your eleven plus by the way.

  • galloglaigh

    That’s a bit of a cop out. I’ve given the evidence, you’ve given the Orange Chronicle’s version of history.

    Just another point. You say republicans were helping their comrades in Derry – would that be when the B-Specials ran amok in the Bogside, smashing up houses and beating old men to death. Ever heard of Sammy Devenny? If the Provos were so heavily involved in violent acts, why did the people of the Bogside beat the B-Specials out with stones and bottles. Where were the Provo guns then?

    P.S. never did the eleven plus, but sure ye don’t need that to get to university these days!

  • Reader

    galloglaigh: You say republicans were helping their comrades in Derry – would that be when the B-Specials ran amok in the Bogside, smashing up houses and beating old men to death.
    Your timing is off, I am sure he was referring to the Battle of the Bogside, and the ill-judged supporting riots in Belfast.

  • galloglaigh

    I am sure he was referring to the Battle of the Bogside

    And what I have described was the Battle of the Bogside, when the B-Specials were beaten out of the Bogside with bricks and bottles. Not a Provo gun insight.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Ladies,PLEASE…………..the dirty,little,sectarian skirmish is over.
    One side surrendered.

    Do try and accept that fact and move on FFS !! 🙂

  • Reader

    galloglaigh: And what I have described was the Battle of the Bogside, when the B-Specials were beaten out of the Bogside with bricks and bottles.
    The B Specials didn’t take part.

  • galloglaigh

    Reader

    The Battle of the Bogside was an event that you seem to know little about. Take some time and read the link from the Museum of Free Derry, and you will find that the B-Specials did take part. In fact the B-Specials were disbanded due to the Hunt report into the event. Hunt recommended a ‘complete reorganisation and disarming of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, including the disbanding of the B Specials auxiliary force seen by many as a Protestant army’.

    The unionist government surrendered the B-Specials, and it was replaced by the UDR – another sectarian force which armed and funded the UDA and UVF.

    HeinzGuderian

    I think it is fair to say, that almost all of those involved, (P)IRA, INLA, UVF, UDA, RUC, UDR, and the British army all stopped killing innocent citizens, and each other. That is not surrender, that’s compromise.

  • Limerick

    gallglaigh,

    I suggest that you read the biased article that you posted a link to. In it you will find that, far from running amok in the Bogside, the B Specials were not deployed against the rioting mob, but were in fact held back.

    And that far from ‘beating the B Specials out with stones and bottles’ the nice folks of the Bogside were in fact struck down with terror that they were about to be deployed against them. Hence their delight at the arrival of the British army which they had long been calling for.

    I remain supremely confident however that the facts, contained within the very link that you provided, will not get in the way of the folk memory that has been created in the minds of gulpins like yourself.

  • galloglaigh

    Sorry, you’re quite correct, and thanks for pointing that out. It was actually the RUC and loyalist hardmen who ran amok in the Bogside, and who were driven out by the good people of that area.

    Every day’s a school day.

    Gulpin… Nice!

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    No one was driven out, but the British army was driven in.

  • galloglaigh

    Well you see, no matter how you twist it, the RUC and the Loyalist hard men were beaten out by the people. If they weren’t, why did they send the army in if the RUC had stopped the riot? Rewriting doesn’t make the truth, evidence does. Present some?

    The RUC repeatedly charged the crowds defending the area but were driven back by fusillades of stones and petrol bombs, some rained down on their heads from people positioned on top of the high-rise Rossville flats.

    Through Wednesday the Police would launch sporadic baton charges, to drive back the… attack from the Bogsiders, until they themselves, at 9 o’clock, were finally driven back from a barricade they’d held all day.

    Well that’s what the BBC say anyway!

    And when the British were driven in, it didn’t take them long before they too would start killing innocent Catholics.

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    The army were sent in because of the bleating of the republican mob. They were terrified out of their wits that the B Men were going to be deployed to back up the RUC. To put things into a bit of perspective for you the RUC at the time was only 3000 strong. That is less than half the strength of the current woefully overstretched PSNI.

    As we have seen republicans in Belfast and other areas kicked off serious rioting in order to stretch the RUC and prevent them from restoring order in the Bogside. Their immediate reserve was the USC, but they were not deployed and the army were instead at the request of the nationalist mob.

    At first the nationalists, greatly relieved at not having to face the B Men, welcomed the soldiers with tea and buns. Before long however they were shooting at them. Imagine their surprise when the troops started shooting back.

  • galloglaigh

    At first the nationalists, greatly relieved at not having to face the B Men, welcomed the soldiers with tea and buns. Before long however they were shooting at them. Imagine their surprise when the troops started shooting back

    From memory it was not the entire nationalist community that were shooting at the British army. It is true however, that the British army (and obviously yourself) wrongly believed that to be the case. They started killing innocent Catholics, because the Provos were shooting at them. It still doesn’t dispel the fact that the people of the Bogside beat the RUC and loyalist hardmen from their streets with bricks and bottles.

  • galloglaigh

    Sorry for the misuse again!

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    The people of the Bogside embarked on an orgy of rioting and violence because their sectarian hatred led to them being incensed by the sight of Protestant Apprentice Boys. They then pleaded for the army to be brought in to ‘save them’ from the B Specials and shortly afterwards they began attacking them as well.

    The short term result of their actions was that the army ended up shooting a number of nationalists dead. The long term result was thirty five years of sporadic violence and almost four thousand deaths.

    This is something that you think they should be proud of?

  • Brian

    “The people of the Bogside embarked on an orgy of rioting and violence because their sectarian hatred led to them being incensed by the sight of Protestant Apprentice Boys. They then pleaded for the army to be brought in to ‘save them’ from the B Specials and shortly afterwards they began attacking them as well.”

    God forbid people discriminated againts for centuries would take offense to the Apprentice Boys marching through their neighborhoods and taunting them after their recent peaceful attempts at securing civil rights left them beaten by loyalist mobs and state security forces.

    The Apprentice Boys were in the thick of the initial fighting, btw.

  • Limerick

    “God forbid people discriminated againts for centuries would take offense to the Apprentice Boys marching through their neighborhoods and taunting them after their recent peaceful attempts at securing civil rights left them beaten by loyalist mobs and state security forces.”

    Oh Jesus Christ. Worth thousands of deaths was it?

    “The Apprentice Boys were in the thick of the initial fighting, btw.”

    They fought back did they?

  • galloglaigh

    The people of the Bogside embarked on an orgy of rioting and violence because their sectarian hatred led to them being incensed by the sight of Protestant Apprentice Boys

    The Apprentice boys march was in August. The RUC and Loyalist hardmen started attacking the Bogside in January.

    Again, you’re not making sense. Your dates are all wrong.

  • Mark

    ” because their sectarian hatred led to them being incensed …..”

    Maybe their sectarian hatred as you put it stemmed from the fact that they had been pissed on from a height by Unionism for years before that ….. and what grates with Nationalists is that Unionism knows that !!

  • galloglaigh

    Let’s keep this to one thread.

    Examine the dates. Sammy Devenny was attacked by the RUC in April. The RUC had been attacking the Bogside since January. The ABOD march was in August. The RUC pogroms continued from January to August. The riots had nothing to do with hatred for the ABOD. The people in the Bogside were seeking rights denied by Unionist mis-rule. You obviously need to start reading on this issue as you are totally wrong.

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    The RUC and ‘Loyalist hardmen’ did no such thing. You need to stop relying on republican propaganda for your history lessons.

  • Limerick

    “Maybe their sectarian hatred as you put it stemmed from the fact that they had been pissed on from a height by Unionism for years before that ….. and what grates with Nationalists is that Unionism knows that !!”

    Mark,

    If being ‘pissed on from a height’ can justify that sort of hatred then what do you reckon being subjected to a sustained murder campaign would do?

  • Limerick

    “You obviously need to start reading on this issue as you are totally wrong.”

    galloglaigh,

    I strongly suggest that you read up on the so called battle of the Bogside and pay particular attention to the dates and what kicked them off.

  • galloglaigh

    The RUC and ‘Loyalist hardmen’ did no such thing

    You need to stop relying on the Orange Chronicle for your history lessons.

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    That’s a really interesting link, but I don’t see any reference in it to the RUC or ‘Loyalist hardmen’ attacking the Bogside. I do however see references to republicans rioting in the Bogside.

    Did you have a point?

  • galloglaigh

    Saturday 4th January 1969:

    As the march entered Derry it was again attached at Irish Street, a mainly Protestant area of the city. Finally the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) broke up the rally that was held in the centre of the city as the march arrived. This action, and the subsequent entry of the RUC into the Bogside area of the city, led to serious rioting

    Saturday 19th April 1969:

    There was serious rioting in the Bogside area of Derry following clashes between Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association (NICRA) marchers, and Loyalists and members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC). A number of RUC officers entered the house of Samuel Devenny, who had not been involved in the disturbances, and severely beat him with batons causing internal injuries and a heart attack. A number of other people in the house were also beaten by the police including Devenny’s 16 year old and 18 year old daughters. [Samuel Devenny died on 17th July 1969 as a result of his injuries]

    There’s at least two examples. Maybe a trip to specsavers tomorrow might cure your bad eyesight?

    Did you also notice the amount of loyalist bombs in that early period. Long before the Provos came in to the fight:

    30th March 1969

    4th April 1969

    20th April 1969

    24yh April 1969

    26th April 1969

    19th October 1969

  • galloglaigh

    Do I need to keep proving you wrong?

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    There is still no reference in your links to the RUC and ‘Loyalist hardmen’ attacking the Bogside. I’m not sure what you think you are proving, but you are failing badly.

    As I have already explained those bombs were directed at the unionist government. To suggest that the IRA launched their terror campaign as a retaliation for them is utter nonsense.

  • galloglaigh

    It’s there in plain English. You’re failing to impress with the denial of the facts. Read the links. Accept you’re wrong.

    The bombs were bombs. The RUC were to busy attacking the civil rights movement to worry about their buddies and comrades in the UVF.

  • galloglaigh

    A number of RUC officers entered the house of Samuel Devenny in the bogside.

  • galloglaigh

    and the subsequent entry of the RUC into the Bogside area of the city

  • Limerick

    “The bombs were bombs. The RUC were to busy attacking the civil rights movement to worry about their buddies and comrades in the UVF.”

    galloglaigh,

    No one is denying that the bombs were bombs. Your claim is that the bombs led to retaliation from the IRA and that is utter nonsense. The bombs were aimed at the unionist government and would have done nothing but delight the IRA.

    The RUC arrested the leadership of the UVF and they were sentenced to long terms of imprisonment. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your bullshit version of history.

  • Limerick

    “A number of RUC officers entered the house of Samuel Devenny in the bogside.”

    In pursuit of rioters.

  • Limerick

    “and the subsequent entry of the RUC into the Bogside area of the city”

    In pursuit of rioters.

  • galloglaigh

    Mark Thomas McDowell (45), a member of the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), was severely injured when a bomb he was planting exploded prematurely at a power station near Ballyshannon in County Donegal.

    Clearly an attack on the gerrymandered Unionist government.

    Now you’re getting into a chicken and egg scenario. The rioting initially started because the RUC, the B-Specials, and loyalist hardmen attacked civil rights marches during a march from Derry to Belfast in January 1969. Why were they attacked? Because they were a threat to the gerrymandered and discriminatory unionist one party rule. No matter how you twist it, you’re wrong.

    And even more laughable to suggest that there was a riot in Sammy Devenny’s living room.

    You’re views are getting more laughable by the minute. When are you on stage? I’d like to see that show!

  • Brian

    Limerick

    We get it. The damn Catholics are just uncivilized and entirely to blame for the Troubles. They love orgies of violence and destruction which is why they unilaterally started the Bogside Battle. They also all supported the Provos.

    No matter that the first policeman shot, the first civilian murdered, the first soldier killed, the first house burned out, and the first bomb planted during the troubles were all by Unionists.

    Thanks

  • Limerick

    galloglaigh,

    The RUC and B Specials did not attack a civil rights march and again it is a testament to the power of republican propaganda in your community that you believe that they did. In fact they were attacked by a crowd of loyalists, and it was alleged that some of themn were off duty B Specials. At the time wildly inflated figures were put forward to back this up by nationalist politicians, but these were later shown to be false.

    I never said there was a riot in Devenny’s living room. The riot was outside and when the police gave chase to the rioters a group of them made their escape via his front door. The police gave chase and encountered Devenny. The republican myth is that they then beat him to death. The reality is that he suffered a heart attack. The myth of course has long since been accepted as fact.

    If you believe that the IRA launched their terror campaign in response to a bomb in Ballyshannon then you are quite clearly bonkers.

  • Limerick

    Brian,

    Calm yourself down.

  • Mick Fealty

    I thought the post was in the humour category. What happened?

  • galloglaigh

    Limerick

    I guess your username does exactly what it says on the tin.

    Your attempts to rewrite what happened to the Civil Rights march, and the beating of Sammy Devenny, are the stories peddled by Paisley and his ilk. But the world and their dog know the truth. I have posted enough evidence to make my point, and give it strength. All you have posted is unsubstantiated comments of your own. The B-Specials, the RUC, and loyalist hardmen started the troubles. Think what you want, but history will prove you wrong.

    On another note:

    I see the British army again admits to shooting an innocent Catholic in Derry. The truth is unravelling, and rightly so. They were all bad apples, that fell from a rotten tree!

  • Brian

    Limerick

    I am calm.

    You may have noticed from the vitriol I have gotten on other comment threads from Provo supporters I am hardly a ‘Republican’ in the sense it is used in this wee country.
    I hardly swallow Republican propaganda and have little time for the self proclaimed ‘soldiers’ of the pure and true Irish republic over the last several decades.

    However, what happened during the civil rights marches is not up for debate. Catholics, with support from others, marched and all they wanted was equal rights. They were met with violent mobs, some of whom were armed with clubs and wood spiked with nails. In some instances the forces of the sectarian state took part and in others they sat and did nothing to stop the violence.

    The IRA had ceased to exist by 1969 other than a small group of dreamers. Their resurrection in the form of the Provos owes everything to Unionist instransigence and violence, along with a healthy dose of British heavy-handedness.

  • Reader

    Mick Fealty: I thought the post was in the humour category. What happened?
    Any post on Republican mythology was bound to turn into this. Even if it was flagged as humour.
    But think yourself lucky that most people avoided the shit jokes this time.

  • galloglaigh

    Just to clarify a point I made earlier on this thread:

    The Police Ombudsman’s Office has provided to the Devenny family details of the Drury Report which established that on the night in question RUC officers entered their home at 69 William Street in the city sometime between 8.30pm and 9.06pm.

    The Report records that prior to the police entering the house there had been ‘significant’ rioting, and that Mr Devenny, his son Harry and two family friends stood at his front door watching the riots. It also reports that as the rioting intensified the group went into the house and tried to close the front door. A number of youths ran passed them. Some ran upstairs and some into the backyard.

    The Report records that the police forced the Devenny’s front door open but did not make any attempt to find the youths who had run into the house.

    Among those in the house were nine Devenny children, ranging in ages from three years old to 21 years.

    The Report says that officers beat Mr Devenny about the head and kicked and batoned him in front of his younger children. It records that he cried out repeatedly for the police to leave his children alone. It says he was left lying on the floor with blood pouring from a number of headwounds and with his dentures and spectacles broken.

    The Report records that RUC officers attacked 16-year-old Catherine Devenny, who was lying on a sofa while recovering from surgery. It says she received baton blows to her thigh and back, was pulled off the sofa and kicked, before losing consciousness.

    It records that 18-year-old Ann Devenny crept to her father and lay across him to protect him. She was then kicked and thrown across the room. She struggled back to her father but officers lifted her by her hair and forced her against the fireplace.

    It records that as the officers left, Harry Devenny, aged 21, came into the room and was hit by a baton.

    The report also details the officers’ attack on a family friend, who was left unconscious in the hallway and on another man in the house.

    It identifies four officers that it believes knew what happened but who ‘were in fear of retribution from colleagues’ if they told the truth.

    It records that a General Amnesty announced by the Prime Minister for Northern Ireland in respect of all criminal offences committed between October 5 1968 and May 6 1969 meant there could be no prosecution in relation to the Devenny case.

    The Police Ombudsman has said she notes the gravity of Mr Drury’s
    conclusion:

    “Whilst it is appreciated that the officers…. on duty in the riot area on the day in question were under extreme provocation, being constantly attacked and sorely tried, there is no evidence that their action could be justified in any way and this code of conduct can never be condoned in any force responsible for the preservation of law and order.”

  • Limerick

    “Your attempts to rewrite what happened to the Civil Rights march, and the beating of Sammy Devenny, are the stories peddled by Paisley and his ilk. But the world and their dog know the truth.”

    galloglaigh,

    Then they must know that he died from a heart attack, because that is exactly what was discovered at his post mortem.

    “The B-Specials, the RUC, and loyalist hardmen started the troubles.”

    Is there any way of gauging just how widespread belief in this nonsense is in the general nationalist community? Obviously republican drones take it as a given, how else could they reconcile themselves with the disgusting crap that their people did in the Troubles, but is it widespread amongst normal nationalists? If we are to believe Brian’s claims to be a non drone then it must be current amongst at least some of them.

  • Limerick

    “It also reports that as the rioting intensified the group went into the house and tried to close the front door. A number of youths ran passed them. Some ran upstairs and some into the backyard.”

    Exactly what I told you.

  • Limerick

    “I see the British army again admits to shooting an innocent Catholic in Derry.”

    The man might still be alive if republicans in Londonderry hadn’t decided to start a ‘war’.

  • galloglaigh

    How many innocent Protestants did the army kill in the battle of the Shankil?

    Let’s not twist it again. The UVF and the RUC started the recent troubles. Just like they did in 1920 in Derry!