Ireland unfree…….. shall never be at peace…

On Saturday I paid my first visit to Kilmainham Gaol. All I can say is wow. Is it any wonder we have supposed dissident republicans!!! Is it any wonder we still have young men queuing up to ‘fight for Ireland’!! Kilmainham front to back is a monument and appeal for blood sacrifice. It’s an overtly romantic homage to murder and destruction, and a legitimisation for it in the future. The entire historical narrative of ‘occupied’ Ireland since day dot, the unashamed exaggeration of scale and importance of successive ‘rebellions’, the martyrdom of 1916 (and almost total ignoring of the fact that a World War was ongoing), the sanitisation of the brutal Civil War, etc. It goes on.

The most extreme ‘dissident’ could not produce an exhibition or tour more suited to his needs. Yet this is the work of the statutory bodies of Government!!! When you produce and propagate partial propaganda and spin like this, you have no right to condem those who choose to relive it………. you are responsible! I had a working knowledge of Irelands past and all of its major events before my visit. Directly after my visit I for the first time truly understood why armed Irish Nationalism still prospers. More worryingly to me, I now realise why it will never go away.

  • Greenflag

    ‘They did run away you know.’

    As do all guerilla armies everywhere when faced with better arms , and more numerous soldiery and the resources of an empire behind them.

    But they did return again and again and again to fight another day . It seems to me that when one reads the comments of such as yourself it’s almost like you can hardly wait for the violence to start up again 🙁

    But then I suppose you believe that it was ok for the Army to shoot dead unarmed civilians on Bloody Sunday . You’re in good company -so too does the dictator in Syria and so too did Gadaffi and so too did Mubarak and so too did the former Tunisian despot and so too does Mugabe .

  • lamhdearg

    “Both sides had blood on their hands, as usual in the North, but one had the power of the state on their side.”,both had the state on their side, Aiken had Collins and therefore the free state. i dont see anyone who murdered folk in their homes because they did not believe as the murders did as hero’s, if seems many do see Aiken as some kind of hero, a lot of the people of Louth did not mind his methods.

  • Greenflag

    ‘a lot of the people of Louth did not mind his methods.’

    And even more people in Fermanagh and Down and elsewhere did not object to the methods of the B Specials who of course eventually had to be disbanded by HMG just as the Black and Tans were and the UDR etc . It seems that Unionists just could’nt /can’t be trusted with majority rule no matter which ‘army’ is the army of the state .

    Maybe theres a reason for that lamhdearg -you might wonder eh ?

  • sonofstrongbow

    Greenflea,

    Thanks for telling me what I think.

    You’re right on one account they did “return again and again to fight”. The lone police officer, dog club or Remembrance Day participant was always around the next corner. Did all that killing do it for you big boy?

    Murderous Irish Republicans always knew how to fight right from the day a mob of them killed two middle-aged peelers at Soloheadbeg in 1919. Although to be fair they were only following their sectarian antecedents back to God knows when.

    You seem comfortable with your ‘Army’ shooting unarmed civilians. As long as it’s for Mother Ireland eh?

  • Munsterview

    Hurling match about to start so brief !

    Here is a sample of the history narrative that ‘lamhd…..’, ‘sonofstrongbow’ and their kind were indoctinerated in. This is their historical narrative.

    http://www.masonicdictionary.com/orange.html

  • sonofstrongbow

    Forrest,

    What do you mean “about to start”? Your hurling of nonsense is long underway.

  • Munsterview

    sonof …… show a bit of respect to your elders!

    If not your own pseudonym lends itself to a very appropriate
    sobriquet, irrespect of the reflections that it may cast on your
    maternal lineage. You have been warned !

  • SK

    300+ posts later and without a single instance of Mr Dougan explaining precisely what it is that tripped the mope switch in his head while visiting the belly of that southern beast. A shame really.

  • SK

    “The ‘Boys Of The Old Brigade’ were loath to stay around when there was a possibility of lead coming in their direction.”

    _

    Their biggest victory lies in the fact that folks like yourself will die obsessing about them.

  • SK

    “Yet another mind-reading Republican. Did the priest tell you that it would give you the power of second-sight as he lifted his cassock for you behind the confessional?”

    _

    Oh dear.

  • Munsterview

    sonof : “… Yet another mind-reading Republican. Did the priest tell you that it would give you the power of second-sight as he lifted his cassock for you behind the confessional?….. ”

    Disrespectfull, self indulgent, sectarianism !

    Already flagged as offensive by me and will now be directly complained of to Mick.

    This is not tolerable, much less acceptable to the standards of this site and I expect Mick to act strongly on the offence.

  • Limerick

    “The UVF smuggled German and Austrian bought arms into Larne. This seems to indicate they were using more than one Kaiser to advance their cause.”

    Paddy,

    That was before Germany tried to capture and subjugate large parts of western Europe. The UVF handed those rifles over to the British government to help aid the war effort shortly after hostilities began.

    “The number of IRA men who sided with Hitler was about two, I think. ”

    The IRA chief of staff sided with Hitler therefore the IRA sided with Hitler. Just in case anyone was in any doubt about that they stuck up a statue of him which they continue to worship at to this very day.

    “Colonel Gaddafi in his long career has changed his political orientation several times. More recently he has allied himself with the UK and US:-”

    His attempt at rehabilitation under the tutelage of the arch deceiver Blair was short lived. He will go down in history as the man who exported terror to, among other places, Britain and via his IRA allies, Ireland.

  • Limerick

    “Truly, we’ve sparred on a matter that – like I said at the very outset – I could detect no appreciable parting in perspectives.”

    Charminator,

    I’ve got a great idea. Why don’t you simply state whether or not you consider people who write “No Huns Here” to be racists?

  • Limerick

    “The killings were in response to multiple murders of Catholics in an attempt to get them to stop.”

    Brian,

    Rather like the Greysteel massacre then? Do you consider it to be as worthwhile as you appear to think going around gunning down Protestants in their night clothes was?

  • lamhdearg

    Munsterview, please read your post of 3:32, and then tell me how you think you know my upbringing. ps Wanker.

  • Greenflag

    sonofstrongbow,

    ‘You seem comfortable with your ‘Army’ shooting unarmed civilians.’

    The Irish Army has not to my knowledge ever shot unarmed civilians in Ireland . I wish I could say the same about the British Army but the public records and the history books tell us they did so and in numbers during earlier historical periods, which killings and wars included women and children and enslaving them for export . All of course part of any expanding Empire’s civilizing mission 🙁

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    You accepted:

    “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are racists.”

    I previously made very clear:

    “Since I already made clear that I didn’t approve of “No British Here” or “No Irish Here”, I’m a little surprised that you should have any doubts [re more derogatory terminology]. After all, since I do not agree with language which at least refers to the nationality in question by it’s proper name [ie British, Irish], then I would have thought it logical for you to reason that I most certainly would not agree with language which is abusive even with respect to that nationality [ie Fenians, Huns or whatever colourful terms should be inserted]!”

    That’s just about as cogent and clear as the English language gets. If English isn’t your first language though, might I recommend Google Translate as an excellent tool.

  • Limerick

    Charminator,

    We already no that you do not approve of the language used. The question is do you regard the people who write “No Huns Here” as racist or not? Perhaps a more important question might be “Why are you refusing to answer?”

  • Limerick

    “The Irish Army has not to my knowledge ever shot unarmed civilians in Ireland . ”

    Greenflag,

    They have however tied unarmed prisoners to landmines and then blown them to bits. I don’t recall the evil Brits ever doing anything like that.

  • ORegan

    Hmmmm….

    On 19 June 1920 Lieutenant-Colonel Gerald Smyth made a speech to the ranks of the Listowel RIC in which was reported as having said:

    Now, men, Sinn Fein have had all the sport up to the present, and we are going to have the sport now. The police are not in sufficient strength to do anything to hold their barracks. This is not enough for as long as we remain on the defensive, so long will Sinn Fein have the whip hand. We must take the offensive and beat Sinn Fein at its own tactics…If a police barracks is burned or if the barracks already occupied is not suitable, then the best house in the locality is to be commandeered, the occupants thrown into the gutter. Let them die there—the more the merrier. Should the order (“Hands Up”) not be immediately obeyed, shoot and shoot with effect. If the persons approaching (a patrol) carry their hands in their pockets, or are in any way suspicious-looking, shoot them down. You may make mistakes occasionally and innocent persons may be shot, but that cannot be helped, and you are bound to get the right parties some time. The more you shoot, the better I will like you, and I assure you no policeman will get into trouble for shooting any man.

    Attributed to Lt. Col. Smyth, June 1920[10][11][12]

    The report in the Irish Bulletin noted that the content of the speech proved too much for many of the RIC men who refused to carry out the order and one officer, Constable Jeremiah Mee, put his gun on the table and called Smyth a murderer. He and 13 others resigned, actively changing sides in the conflict with many joining or assisting the Irish Republican Army. Mee became a confidant and ally of Michael Collins.

    Less than a month after his controversial instruction to the unit Smyth was shot dead by an IRA party led by Dan “Sandow” O’Donovan.

    Wikipedia

  • lamhdearg

    Oregan,
    you do know that wiki is not gospel?.

  • Munsterview

    Lamh : “…..Oregan,
    you do know that wiki is not gospel?.”

    The poster concerned is presumably using his real name ORegan, could you extend to him as a new poster to this site the common curtsey of using his surname correctly, especially as unlike your good self, he do not use a pseudonym !

    As to the unfortunate Lt. Colonel Smyth, that statement was all too true and indicative of a certain English mentality when dealing with Irishmen who wanted the freedom of their country, as his fate was in the only answer to his kind that they and their comrades understood.

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    You see, the difficulty here, is that you’re not actually reading what I’ve said. I really cannot understand why my plain, straightforward English is confusing you.

    You accepted:
    Limerick:

    You accepted:

    “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are racists.”

    “Since I already made clear that I didn’t approve of “No British Here” or “No Irish Here” (language which you concluded fitted your neat little racist acknowledgement, as I’ve reproduced above), I’m a little surprised that you should have any doubts regarding more derogatory language.

    If I think “No Irish Here” is racist, am I apt to say that “No Fenians Here” is perfectly admissible. Would such a conclusion be in any way logical? Would it make any sense? You ask why am I refusing to answer, but perhaps more pertinently Limerick, why are you refusing to listen?

    Again, you said – not me – that “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are racists.”

    Thank you. If you understand that much, I have absolutely no idea how you could think that replacing British with Huns makes the language LESS, rather than MORE offensive. Truly, I fail to see why you expect me to help you alone the final 1% of the journey of logic: it really doesn’t require any great leap.

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    More substantively, you have commented in reply to “the Irish Army has not to my knowledge ever shot unarmed civilians in Ireland”, with “They have however tied unarmed prisoners to landmines and then blown them to bits. I don’t recall the evil Brits ever doing anything like that.”

    You may, however, wish to familiarise yourself with the conduct of the Crown Forces in Kenya during that country’s struggle for liberation.

    http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000039423&cid=4&ttl=Mau

    The English courts are presently hearing a series of test cases on this very matter, so fortunately you can expect to learn a great deal more in the coming months about the conduct of the Crown Forces during a period more recent than Ballyseedy.

  • ORegan

    Wiki NOT Gospel?? NO!!!!!

    But, unfortunately(?), Lt. Col Smyth is deader than the proverbial ‘door knob’!

    And the evidence is corroborated on many other sites.

    Accept REALITY??

  • Brian

    “Rather like the Greysteel massacre then? Do you consider it to be as worthwhile as you appear to think going around gunning down Protestants in their night clothes was?”

    No. I never said any of it was worthwhile, but without context your statement was misleading, incomplete, and purposely biased. I simply supplied it.

  • lamhdearg

    ORegan,Accept REALITY??, really wiki word for word, i will have to did out someone else’s reality from it for reader’s. nice post munster, nice and short.

  • Alan N/Ards

    OReagan

    When you are next on Wiki have a look at the Altnaveigh murders of june 17th 1922. Six protestant civillians were brutally murdered by an IRA gang led by the bold Frank Aiken. The brave IRA crossed the border and murdered in cold blood- John Heslip 54and his son Robert 19-Joseph Gray 20- Thomas Crozier and his wife Elizabeth- James Lockhart.

    You seem to be the typical person from the America’s who veiws of the history island of Ireland through green tinted glasses.

    By the way the people of Ireland sorted out their differences in 1998. Does the Belfast agreement of 1998 mean anything to you? The majority of the people who live on the island of Ireland (something you don’t do) voted for it.

  • ORegan

    1) Limerick or someone said the British did not commit atrocities.
    That is simply untrue.

    2) I am not form America. I am a Canadian from Canada. ( We do not use the term Americas or even North Americans, as it mixes us up with the U.S.). We actually defeated the Americans in the War of 1812 and… torched the White House. I agree that history is only as relevant as ones complete understanding.

    3) If the “differences” were truly sorted out there would be a united Ireland, under one government. Tolerant and open. Eventually a vote for NI to join the Republic will win. Reality.

  • Alan N/Ards

    ORegan

    Did you check on wiki regarding the atrocities at Altnaveighn in 1922? Maybe it’s hard to read it through your green tinted glasses.

    I am from Northern Ireland. Many of us here don’t use the term Ireland as it mixes us up with the Republic. We have never defeated the Republic and they have never defeated us. That is why we have the Belfast Agreement of 1998.

    It was passed in a referendum held on the island in 1998. You obviously don’t keep up with what’s happening on this island. The people who LIVE ON THIS ISLAND spoke on that day. We compromised. If there is a majority to merge with the Republic then sobeit. But it won’t be in my lifetime.

  • Limerick

    “No. I never said any of it was worthwhile, but without context your statement was misleading, incomplete, and purposely biased. I simply supplied it.”

    Brian,

    If the massacre was not worthwhile then what was misleading about me mentioning it?

  • Limerick

    “You see, the difficulty here, is that you’re not actually reading what I’ve said.”

    Charminator,

    I am reading exactly what you said. In summary your position is that you take a dim view of people who say “Brits out” and by inference I should also conclude that you take a dim view of people who say “No Huns Here”.

    I’ve got fantsatic news for you. I get what you are saying.

    However would it be possible for you to answer the question that was actually put to you rather than the one that you would like to have been put to you.

    I’ll try again.

    Do you consider people who write “No Huns Here” to be racists? Yes or no.

  • Limerick

    “You may, however, wish to familiarise yourself with the conduct of the Crown Forces in Kenya during that country’s struggle for liberation.”

    Charminator,

    I can’t see any relevance in your whataboutery. Greendub attempted to claim that the Irish army has a blameless record. I simply pointed out that they had taken people prisoner and then tied them to their own land mine and blew them to bits.

  • Limerick

    “Lt. Col Smyth is deader than the proverbial ‘door knob’! ”

    ORegan,

    As are the urinals who murdered him.

  • Limerick

    “I am a Canadian from Canada. ( We do not use the term Americas or even North Americans, as it mixes us up with the U.S.). We actually defeated the Americans in the War of 1812 and… torched the White House.”

    ORegan,

    I think you will find that the 27th Inniskillings did that. After they ate the President’s supper.

  • ORegan

    “urinals” ?-not a Canajun expression.

    -At least you acknowledge he IS dead!

    Are you rewriting history to an English perspective?

    Historians assert that the attack was in retaliation for the American burning and looting of York (now Toronto) during the Battle of York in 1813, and the burning down of the buildings of the Legislative Assembly there.

    “Governor-General Sir George Prevost of CANADA wrote to the Admirals in Bermuda calling for a retaliation for the American sacking of York and requested their permission and support in the form of provision of naval resources. At the time, it was considered against the civilized laws of war to burn a non-military facility and the Americans had not only burned the Parliament but also looted and burned the Governor’s mansion, private homes and warehouses.”]

    That would be Upper CANADA

    Did you miss this part of Altanveigh?: (Note last sentence)

    “Aiken has been accused by unionists of ethnic cleansing of Protestants from parts of South Armagh, Newry, and other parts of the north, in particular the killing of seven Protestant civilians in Altnaveigh in June 1922. The incident was a revenge attack for the killing the previous day of two local Catholics and the sexual assault of a woman by the Special Constabulary..”

  • Charminator

    Thanks Limerick.

    But let’s forget the “dim view” reference.

    What you accepted earlier was that – and I quote:

    “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are RACISTS.”

    Not that you understand that I take a “dim view” – the language you now choose.

    What you last said was:

    “In summary your position is that you take a DIM VIEW of people who say “Brits out” and by INFERENCE I should also conclude that you take a dim view of people who say “No Huns Here”.”

    Now, instead of changing your earlier acknowledgement from RACIST to DIM VIEW, stick with the earlier obvious and straightforward conclusion you made. Let’s be consistent here at least. THEN, make the obvious logical inferences.

    But no word-games: if you earlier said, “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are RACISTS”, lets not now backtrack to reduce the terminology to DIM VIEW.

  • ORegan

    And would this be Winston Churchill who sent the TERRORIST Black and Tans to Ireland??

    http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1922/jul/18/murders-altnaveigh

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    With respect to the conduct of the Crown Forces, you earlier made a generalised statement that:

    “They [Irish Army] have however tied unarmed prisoners to landmines and then blown them to bits. I don’t recall the evil Brits ever doing anything like that.”

    I merely pointed out that the Crown Forces have been known, amongst other things, to castrate with a pair of pliers their adversaries after severe beatings. Such conduct, I am saying, is inconsistent with your very over-broad statement that “I don’t recall the evil Brits ever doing anything like that”. Given your apparent familiarity with the War of 1812 (and I might deduce British military history), it is therefore surprising that you should comment that ANY military, British or otherwise, would not ever “doing anything like that”.

  • Limerick

    “But no word-games: if you earlier said, “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are RACISTS”, lets not now backtrack to reduce the terminology to DIM VIEW.”

    Charminator,

    The only word games in use here are coming from yourself. You steadfastly refuse to use the term racist with regards to those who write “No Huns Here”. Why is that?

  • Limerick

    ORegan,

    Your mental gymnastics are now leading you to Winston Churchill? Why?

  • Limerick

    Charminator,

    I don’t recall the British army ever tying unarmed IRA prisoners to their own landmines and then blowing them up. Do you?

    I strongly suspect that if they had we would have been subjected to, at the very least, a barrage of dire folk songs about the subject. Yet the Irish army atrocity appears to be so little known that people feel they can boast about how blameless they are.

  • ORegan

    Jeez!

    CiviliZed?

    I merely point out that the ENGLISH were lead players in TERRORISM in Ireland.

    Especially WINSTON CHURCHILL!

  • Limerick

    ORegan,

    And you are of course completely wrong about that. I’m more concerned about how you managed to mentally juggle the burning of the Whitehouse, by the British, to references to Winnie?

  • Charminator

    Many thanks Limerick.

    But please explain why you initially accepted that “I understand that you believe that Irish people who use the term “No British Here” are RACISTS” before then reducing your acknowledgement to “In summary your position is that you take a DIM VIEW of people who say “Brits out” and by INFERENCE I should also conclude that you take a dim view of people who say “No Huns Here”.”

    I find this wordplay highly disingenuous. Please explain why your understanding of what I said changed from RACIST to the more reduced condemnation of DIM VIEW?

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    You claim:

    “They [Irish Army] have however tied unarmed prisoners to landmines and then blown them to bits. I don’t recall the evil Brits EVER (emphasis added) doing anything like that.”

    You now comment “I don’t recall the British army ever tying unarmed IRA prisoners to their own landmines and then blowing them up.” Such a highly refined set of circumstances! I was unaware that only such a specific set of circumstances could give rise to condemnation. Perhaps castration with a pair of pliers of adversaries after severe beatings is somehow more acceptable? Or perhaps even the innovation concentration camp creation of the Boer War which killed tens of thousands (see victim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LizzieVanZyl.jpg)?

    Your view that “I don’t recall the evil Brits ever doing anything like that” is entirely unjustified and over-broad. That is all.

  • ORegan
  • lamhdearg

    Alleged County Tyrone Real IRA leader granted bail Kevin Barry Murphy faces explosives charges
    Police believe a Tyrone man who appeared in court on terrorism charges is a member of the Real IRA’s army council and its leader in east Tyrone.
    Fingerprints on a coffee grinder were said to link KEVIN BARRY Murphy,

    I have a child due soon, i wonder should i call it (if it’s a boy) BILLY WRIGHT ***************, NO I DONT THINK SO, as i am not a silly sausage, living my life through old mans tales, eh M*N8734 V812.

  • Munsterview

    lamhd : “….I have a child due soon,….”

    I find some of the attributes of Loyalists men on this site absolutely fascinating but knowledgeable as I try to be on the subject, some things arise out of the blue like the above that I would never have guessed in a month of Sundays and I find totally astounding !

    How common is the phenomena of males becoming pregnant, do they carry full time and is it a cesarian delivery ?

    PS : Excuse my manners, I am still in shock at what I read, heartiest congratulations of course !

  • Brian

    The pyschopath billy wright is hardly the equivalent of Kevin Barry

    ‘I’m more concerned about how you managed to mentally juggle the burning of the Whitehouse, by the British, to references to Winnie?’

    Limerick that comment gave me a good laugh

  • Limerick

    “I find this wordplay highly disingenuous.”

    Charminator,

    Then why not simply state whether you consider people who write “No Huns Here” to be racist or not?

    Why do you steadfastly refuse to answer? You had no hesitation whatsoever in labeling the English folks who wrote “No Irish Here” as racist.

  • Limerick

    “Your view that “I don’t recall the evil Brits ever doing anything like that” is entirely unjustified and over-broad. That is all.”

    Charminator,

    I disagree. They never did do anything like that (tying unarmed prisoners to their own landmine and blowing them up). The Irish army however did.

    Your deballing accusations are both unproven and irrelevant.

  • Limerick

    “It was YOU who had Canadians and Americans mixed up.”

    ORegan,

    Er, no it wasn’t.

    “Winston Churchill is well known as “the man who sent the Black and Tans to Ireland” and defended them!:”

    So what? We were discussing the British (27th Inniskillings) burning down the Whitehouse. You claimed that it was Canadians who had done that, and I patiently explained that it was not. You then randomly inserted Winston Churchill into the conversation.

  • babyface finlayson

    Limerick and Charminator
    No doubt you are both having a great laugh, but it is getting very tedious for the rest of us (yes, I did take a poll) . Enough.

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    I note that you have not acknowledged why you downgraded your acceptance of what I accepted from RACIST to DIM VIEW.

    I shall leave that to others to review the record and consider who is wasting time here.

  • Charminator

    Limerick:

    I note your reference to the castration accusations. The Boer War concentration camp starvations were equally unproven, were they? Compared to your isolated reference to Ballyseedy, I would have thought the killings of tens of thousands in death camps was of a much greater magnitude.

    Again, the record of the Crown Forces across the globe is a very well documented one. I shall leave it to others to judge.

  • Charminator

    Babyface Finlayson:

    Apologies for the back and forth and I too find it tiresome. In fact, as the record should show, I commented at the outset that I didn’t think there was any substantive point of division. I had not, however, it seemed paid appropriate attention to the verbal acrobatics which some find amusing.

    On the poll question, it would – for transparency purposes – perhaps even have added value if fellow commentators were also asked as to who is sparring with whom.

    Tit-for-tat and ‘youse are both equally culpable’ is often such an easy claim to make: in many cases though, a closer review of the record can reveal much more.

  • Limerick

    “I shall leave that to others to review the record and consider who is wasting time here.”

    Charminator,

    As shall I. Your inability to answer a simple question should be obvious to all.

  • Limerick

    “Compared to your isolated reference to Ballyseedy”

    Charminator,

    Isolated? Ballyseedy was the result of a deliberate and intentioned action. The deaths of your Afrikaans Boers allies were not.

  • Munsterview

    Charminator : you have made some very good posts here in slugger and some worthwhile contributions to genuine debate.

    Taking that at face value, not everyone here, wants worthwhile contributions, understandings or real debate that could lead to a meetings of minds.

    Some of the easiest and effective tactics for derailing real discussion is ‘Trolling’ and ‘Windup’ especially when coming from an unexpected source such as a poster operating in a non usual pseudonym but never the less with as fixated on purpose as when expounding their ‘ to the right of Gengis Kan’ polemic politics.

    Do you not recognize such poster in their ‘wind up merchant’ mode when you encounter one ?

    Reflect before you respond !

  • lamhdearg

    Munsterview,
    do you have children.

  • Munsterview

    Lamhd…. Yes TG and a grandchild.

    As to my query, just a ‘piss take’ made in fun, no malice intended. However if you found it upsetting or it spoiled a mood for you, especially if it is your families first child and all the magic that go with that, then I have no hesitation in apologizing to you for my post, no hurt was intended.

  • lamhdearg

    No hurt was felt, so no apology needed.