Ian McCrea, another one who failed to get the memo?

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  • The further west you go, the more the DUP are more interesting in maximising their traditional vote than attracting new voters. Gregory Campbell is another example.

    But where else in the UK or Ireland would a local representative not wish to maximise the success and publicity for his constituency?

    Ian McCrea has stated on Twitter that his reason for being a humbug when it comes to local GAA success was about wasting public money on celebrating Tyrone’s success.

  • iluvni

    Are the GAA crowds down this year? Seems there are swathes of empty seats and terracing in many of the games that have been on BBC.

  • Mick Fealty

    Good question. Not so far as I know. But it may just be that you are watching more GAA earlier in the Championship, or that Tyrone supporters know their team is getting past its best.

  • iluvni. Maybe ’cause and effect’ are kicking in with the cases you mention. Donegal to beat londonDerry, indeed.

  • The “public money” argument would be more convincing if he was equally vociferous in opposing funding for Loyalist/Unionist cultural events.

    No, this is naked spite.

  • CW

    I think it’s also partly due to the fact that the backdoor system has diminished the role of the provincial championship. Winning Ulster for the likes of Tyrone, Down, Armagh or Donegal isn’t the big deal that it used to be now they have a second crack of the whip and a chance of All-Ireland glory which was once so elusive for northern counties not so long ago – so less supporters turn up at early round matches.

    As for McCrea, he’s entitled to his views, but imagine the outcry if an English MP, whose local soccer club reached the FA Cup final and he posted on Twitter that he wanted them to lose. He would be asked to resign with immediate effect. But this is NI of course. Sometimes I’m glad I don’t live there any more. At least I can rejoice in the fact that my adopted county, London recorded a rare victory in the championship! Hopefully they can progress a bit further this year.

  • between the bridges

    CW ‘As for McCrea, he’s entitled to his views, but imagine the outcry if an English MP, whose local soccer club reached the FA Cup final and he posted on Twitter that he wanted them to lose’….
    indeed but the local football team is unlikely to have held events celebrating the ira murder gangs…

  • I think the fact that Championship Games are not necessarily “knock out” is having an effect.
    Certainly I have walked away from matches where ten years ago I would have been saying “well thats it for another year” whereas now I tend to wak away from games (Antrim and/or Armagh) wondering who we get in the qualifiers.
    There was a time when Gaels would be guaranteed just one day out. Now its a case of endless summer. At times its almost a relief to get knocked out after two or three Sundays.
    And a relief that Wicklow and Carlow are away from home.

    The Qualifiers is alas merely a way of maximising the GAAs income. And “money” rather than “ideal” underpins every GAA decision.
    As to Ian McCrea……is anybody really surprised?

    And of course AlaninBelfast is only half right when he wonders whetherr theres any other place in Ireland or Britain where a local representative would make such a statement.
    Lets not kid ourselves that (perhaps) John Reid would be thrilled at a Rangers success in Europe.
    Or that (perhaps) Adam Ingram would regard a Celtic success in Europe with a good heart.
    They would of course issue statements congratulating their rivals.
    But is that for real?.
    Indeed can we imagine that Paul Goggins formerly some minor role in the NIO………was unhappy at Manchester Uniteds failure against Barcelona?
    Are there not a lot of ABUs out there?

    Likewise some of our local representatives Martin McGuinness, John O’Dowd, Patsy McGlone, Dominic Bradley……to name but a few must be aware of the intense local rivalries…….Tyrone/Derry…..Armagh/Down…..and will obviously not issue a public statement saying “in your face!!!!”.

    A few months ago, Darron Gibson scored a goal for Ireland …about which he was congratulated on the SDLP website.
    Im sure all Sluggerites would agree with that sentiment.
    If they dont……well its not exactly just people like Ian McCrea who have “not got the memo”.

    Or can we not assume that

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Iluvni

    Attendances are definitely down very significantly. It’s particularly noticeable at Armagh and Tyrone games. They are probably two of Ulster’s three or four best-supported counties, and both have enjoyed a decade of unprecedented success. Now that both counties are in serious decline on the field (Armagh have been well off the pace since our last Ulster victory in 2008) you can see clear signs of supporter fatigue in both counties. It’s not surprising: many people, and particularly families, just can’t afford as many big days out any more.

    This must also be coupled with the fact that none of the Ulster teams are likely All Ireland contenders at the moment.

    However, last year when Down emerged after fifteen years in the wildneress, their enormous, dormant, fanbase re-emerged, hungry for glory. If Cavan ever got their act together, you’d see the blue army mobilise very quickly.

    The Derry wans have always been notoriously poor supporters, though no doubt there’ll be plenty of Oak Leafers who will now condescend to show up and support their team, now that they’ve reached a provincial decider.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Re. McCrea

    There’s not much point in getting upset about this. The striking thing is not the bigotry, the spite or even the pettiness. What’s striking is the childishness. This sort of crap would prompt a groan even in a student’s union setting. It’s just so incredibly immature.

    Serious question: what is Ian McCrea’s level of education? I don’t mean to be funny about this, but his Tweet strikes me as the work of a person without much advanced education.

    Did Ian do his A Levels?

  • Jack2

    Reminds me of an old saying.

    “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt.”

    Low level education and parachuted into a cushty job by Daddys coat tails.

  • Rory Carr

    “They would of course issue statements congratulating their rivals.” says Fitzjameshorse meaning politicians whose bitter rivals (indeed bitter sectarian rivals0 triumphed in a contest in which their team blew out.

    And there lies the difference. The genteel studied hypocrisy (or “good manners”) that is a necessary feature of civilised life elsewhere in the world is not for NI backwoodsmen. The advances in how we treat with respect those of different cultures, creeds, races, sex and sexual orientation that began in the 1960’s and that demands that all politicians lead by example in their display of tolerance seems to have bypassed the unionist hinterlands.

    If, as Philip Larkin opined, “sexual intercourse was invented in 1960 “, then I fear that McCrea and Campbell remain virginal in the extreme.

  • JR

    BTB,
    So you are saying that Tyrone were more guilty of supporting the IRA than Donegal?

  • Rory Carr

    p.s. “Great to see Tyrone beat (sic) …today.”

    This from a grammar school boy who now has the effrontery to advertise that he is “a member of the Board of Governors for Coagh Primary School.”

    God spare the pupils! Back to the classroom with you, you grammar-deficient lout!

  • galloglaigh

    btb, When has the Derry county team ever held ‘events celebrating the ira murder gangs’. I don’t suppose you might actually have a photograph of such an event? Perhaps a link? You were on here last week apologising for the UVF’s pogrom on the Short Strand, and now you’re attacking the GAA. Might you have the same tendencies towards all things Irish that McCrea does?

    Andrew Gallagher, I think naked spite is putting it lightly. I would say it’s more bigoted sectarianism. McCrea talked last year (or the year before) about how republican rioters should be shot. Did we hear that view when it was his fellow loyal citizens. McCrea is all that is bad in the DUP. If Robinson thinks he can win the Catholic vote, he needs to seriously think about those who are put forward for election. He might have a bit of work to do; his party is short on those whom Catholics would vote for.

    P.S. I wonder if it is one of our MPs who has a super-injunction out. Maybe that MP might be worried his son finds out he likes little boys?

  • iluvni

    Whats the point in the Ulster GAA looking to develop a 40000 capacity Casement Park?..would it be, like the Maze was to be, an expensive monument to vanity and not necessity.
    Wouldnt Ulster GAA fans prefer Casement a smaller redeveloped stadium, frequently packed, as opposed to a soulless cavern…or is that only a question NI fans faced?

  • Nunoftheabove

    Cretinism of this magnitude really ought not to come as any sort of surprise. Not really. Not coming from those quarters it oughtn’t. I think we all know the kind of people out there who find celebration or genuine enjoyment of any recognizable form – other than when it’s very directly at their neighbour’s expense – unbecoming and distasteful. In some cases, it often seems, almost literally impossible in any circumstances. Unbiblical. A physical strain. This kind of comment is probably as close as some of the mean-spirited, cheap, crass, mediocre, simple-minded hayseed yahoos ever come to a collision with anything which might by chance induce them to approach a smile or a giggle.

    The moral of the story is simply that we ought to eat, drink, make plentiful merriment and get it on folks for tomorrow may be the day we wake up as plain damn bloody miserable as this shower. The only pity of it is that there ain’t no hell for them to go to when all the earthly agony’s over.

  • The Raven

    “seems to have bypassed the unionist hinterlands”

    Rory, it would have been a little more palatable if you’d said “some of the inhabitants of the unionist hinterlands”.

    Some of us backwoods Prods may enjoy leaning on a gatepost at the end of the day, chewing a blade of grass and looking over this green, unpleasant, bungalow-pocked land, but that doesn’t mean *all* of us want to burn our Catholic neighbours off it.

  • Yes Hypocrisy.
    On several levels.
    It is deemed churlish that Ian McCrea made this statement. He has committed the cardinal sin of not being a “lets get alonger”.
    Likewise it would be churlish not to recognise young Rory McIlroys triumph regardless of the flagwaving. He is to all us “a neighbours chile” (sic).
    And it would be a cardinal sin against “lets get alongerism” to hold back on the congratulations.

    And rightly so.
    But there is real “lets get alongerism” and the fake variety……which means that people who pride themselves on their impeccable middle of the road credentials would not have a good word for Darron Gibson etc.
    He has in some eyes given up the right to be a neighbours chile.

    At least Ian McCrea is not a fake.
    And theres a lot of fakes out there.

  • Just for the record “Galloglaigh” is the hurling club in Dungiven named for an individual who might have been famous in another field?
    Not that I have a problem with it.
    Ive been to matches there.

  • otto

    This isn’t about Alliance Fitz.

  • galloglaigh

    fjh, I don’t remember talking about Dungiven. Is their team also the Derry County team? Perhaps I’m missing something. McCrea has no problem supporting UVF and UDA bands. His family has a long affiliation with the UVF. But sure that’s OK. Hypocrites!

  • Reader

    As has been hinted above, there are plenty of people who won’t support a local sportsman or a local team as a result of personal political sensitivities. Some of them are no doubt perched over a keyboard right now, planning to have a go at McCrea.
    Still – a politician should know better. As Mick pointed out – didn’t he get the memo?

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Iluvni

    A fair question. Personally, I think Casement should be reconstructed on a more modest scale, with some of the money earmarked for the project being redirected to much-needed refurbishments at Clones.

  • galloglaigh

    ‘At least Ian McCrea is not a fake’

    Indeed he is not. His views are well known, and shockingly partisan, if not downright sectarian. He should represent all his constituents, that would be a true politician!

  • Reader

    Rory Carr: Back to the classroom with you, you grammar-deficient lout!
    Where’s the verb?

  • between the bridges

    JR… No, I am sure they are on a par.

    Galloglaigh, attacking the gaa? moi? sorry to upset the gaa love in but it’s along way from being soley a sporting Organisation. Apart from the ira murder gang parades, you can’t be a member and be a unionist so why is it expected that unionist should pretend to support ‘their team’?

  • No Otto.its not about Alliance…..so I dont know why you insist on bringing them up on every post.
    I dont believe I mentioned the Alliance Party.
    What gave you the impression that I had mentioned Alliance?

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    You should go to the Ulster Senior Hurling Final on Sunday – Antrim v Armagh.

    It could be a McCrea moment for you – you’d barely know who not to support 😉

    As for the man this thread is about – I’m delighted to hear he dislikes the GAA and Ulster teams from the occupied territories in particular. It’ll be a real worry if people like him have anything positive to say about Gaelic games.

  • Rory Carr

    Raven,

    When I referred to the “unionist hinterlands” I was thinking more in terms of McCrea and Campbell as the human hinterlands of backward unionism rather than the literal geographical term. I appreciate that rural does not equate with backward and all too many of my fellow Londoners confirm that urban does not necessarily equate with progressive.

    Reader,

    The verb is implied in the imperative and is perfectly correct.

    “And so to bed” is one of the most well-known of such forms of usage.

  • Hibernicle

    Mind you, at some level, albeit a fairly low level, Mr McCrea seems to engage with Gaelic football. He refers to the “Ulster semi’s” as if he was used of watching football and I suppose by default he could be classified as a Donegal fan!

  • JR

    BTB,
    That unionist rule is definitely the strictest we have in the GAA. The county boards have to run background checks on every member just in case we let a unionist in. If god forbid a unionist joined the GAA then all our secrets would be out. Like the one you seem to be already aware off. The fact that it’s not a sporting organization at all!! It’s a secret gaeilic martial arts organization where we pretend to play football and hurling but are actually plotting how to rid the world of Protestants. If you watch the Sunday game it’s nearly all about the IRA and Irelands struggle to throw off the yoke of oppression. Hardly a reference to sport.

    I wish you and your noble comrades well on your important mission to expose the Gaa for what it really is. We all know Northern Ireland would be better off without it. Think of the thousands of young kids that are forced to get some exercise at the weekends.

  • Mark McGregor,
    Alas I will be in another place on Sunday.
    But for the record Id NOT be supporting Armagh.
    I am in the unusual position of being from Antrim……but living in County Armagh, where I am engaged in missionary work with culchies and other unfortunates.
    I have however put down roots and gone native to the extent of having two Armagh sons (both living in this God forsaken place) two Armagh grandsons, one Armagh Daughter-in-Law and one Armagh “DIL Elect”.
    Usually of course theres no clash.
    But interestingly at the double header in Croke park last year, I think my commitment to Antriim (hurling) v Dublin was higher than the Armagh (football commitment) v Dublin.
    Until the last few minutes in the football and (we were right next to the Hill) the Dublin supporters (for whom there must be a word) started doing their usual “ignorant as get out” nonsense.

  • grandimarkey

    between the bridges:

    “you can’t be a member and be a unionist”

    Pray tell, how not?

  • Mark McGregor

    JR,

    The problem is people like BtB, McCrea and others are working on a belief of what the GAA is supposed to be about and used to be – a sporting organisation with an equal cultural and political focus.

    Most in the GAA will recognise those days are over and it’s now an organisation mainly focused on sport with an infrequent nod of the head to culture but with the political aspects put to bed along with the truly amateur status in many counties/clubs.

    I’m happy to feed his misconceptions in the hope the organisation will once again become a strong cultural and political body. At the same time I’ll cheer the Saffs on regardless of how that all works out (though £13 for a Ulster Hurling final would test anyone!)

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    I think most will agree there’s nothing worth supporting more than the defeat of a Dub.

    Though thanks to McCrea og’s mate Brother McCausland – Ulster teams from both the occupied and unoccupied territories will soon be celebrating or not in a new multi-million pound Casement. That’ll also make a much better setting for SF’s larger Hunger strike commemorations.

    It’ll sure beat the hell out of the trip to that Clones kip!

  • cynic49

    Minister of the Crown tweeted that it was a good result for Donegal. Same message but more subtle!

  • JR

    MMG,

    I suppose that means you can’t be a unionist and be a member of Comhaltas or learn Gaeilge either.

  • Thats fair comment.
    The GAA is a very different organisation to what it was when I was a youngster.
    There was of course as much hypocrisy as there is now.
    GAA do hypocrisy surprisingly well.
    But those of us a certain vintage remember the “Soccer Police” who would happily tout up anybody attending or playing a soccer match.
    Except of course if he played for the county.
    Likewise the whole “foreign dancing thing” and of course the foreign sport ban never extended to Golf.

    But the controversy over a Ladies game ending badly in Tyrone is remarkable only for the fact of those faded camogie pics in most club rooms. Where the Ladies are modestly attired.
    No Chix With Stix there.

    And those of us a certain vintage recall bus trips to the Glens of Antrim to cheer on our Belfast club.
    In that part of the world they play tippy tig with hatchets.

    But I think the best aspect of the 21st century GAA is the facilities for under age players. Simply amazing.
    And yet it is also the worst aspect ……do underage players as young as ten need all the beaurocracy of inter club transfers. The excuse that it is because of “insurance” is a bit nonsensical.
    I was at a under8/under 10 tournament on Saturday where parents were baying for the sending off of a 9 year old! Get a grip.
    But Ive seen worse.
    A underage team sheet objected to because a name was not in Gaelic! Get a grip.
    Or several years ago where our parents walked out of an under 12 match at half time because rumours were emerging from the other dug out that they would claim the match because the team sheet had been signed by an unauthorised person…the reason being that the authorised persons mother had died the previous night.

  • Mark McGregor

    JR,

    I’d suggest you read the preamble, basic aim, dedication, 1.8 etc.

    It’s meant to be an Irish, nationalist organisation with a sporting focus.

    It may be fashionable to support the sporting and ignore the politics – that just means a lot of people are part of the GAA without actually supporting what its supposed to be about.

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    Let’s not forget you told lies (or so you claim) to get the sports banned from your son’s school – hardly a stand-up supporter of the GAA by any stretch of the imagination.

    Indeed, lying to get it banned makes you seem like less than a supporter and more of a genuinely hostile and active opponent of the GAA.

  • At the same time I’ll cheer the Saffs on regardless of how that all works out (though £13 for a Ulster Hurling final would test anyone!)

    Seriously, you are complaining about paying 13 quid to get into a sporting event in the year 2011??!

    The half-time burger and coke at Old Trafford costs about that much.

  • Well if I told lies…..I told lies.
    If I claim to have told lies and didnt…..then Im still telling lies.
    A different thread of course.
    But as I said on that one or implied…..the early accomodation of the “old” RUC within the respectable society of the GAA would have changed little.
    Nor would the early facilitation of the GAA within the integrated education system have facilitated change within GAA.

    Both needed a bit of manners put on them.

  • Mark McGregor

    FJH,

    I believe in using language and situation with flexibility to make a point. Making the point is often more important that being totally accurate over the event.

    You made a point. I’m not going to hold your feet to the flames too often over the contradiction.

  • andnowwhat

    He just keeps digging that hole..

    http://twitter.com/#!/ianmccreamla

  • ayeYerMa

    Slugger’s majority (i.e. Republican obsessives) were ecstatic about the Republic of Ireland beating Northern Ireland recently in football. What’s the difference? Unlike the GAA, at least the IFA doesn’t pretend to be about more than just sport.

  • Oh I will happily point out more of my own contradictions.
    Im very consistent about my contradictions.
    Take Conall McDevitt MLA tonight.
    Like me ….Conall would be critical of Mr McCrea.
    Unlike me….Conall has McCrea on his list of Facebook Friends. Which I think is a tad inconsistent of him.

    Conall has over 2,000 Facebook Friends (including me!!!!) but I seriously wonder how anyone can befriend Ian McCrea and then affect to be outraged by the things he says.
    Its “Outreach Gone Mad”

  • foyle observer

    ayeYerMa, the difference, as if you don’t know full well already, is that unlike those who celebrated their team, the Republic of Ireland winning against Northern Ireland, McCrea isn’t a GAA fan. We all know he doesn’t know a single thing about the sport or the organisation.

    He’s a blind sectarian bigot, like his father, who led prayers for those two terrorist scumbags who carried out the Miami Showband Masscre.

    There ye are. Hope this clarifies.

  • Drumlins Rock

    As a Tyrone Prod I will confess my heart made me slightly smile when I heard Tyrone lost, at least we will escape the OTT hype this year, then my conscience said tut tut your friends and neighbours will be so disappointed and you are a Tyrone man after all, finally my head over ruled and said, you don’t give a stuff about sport, ignore it.

    Ian is a prat btw, but that is whom the wise DUP voters of Mid Ulster have chosen to represent them.

  • between the bridges

    JR..thanks for the summary couldn’t have put it better myself! lol!

    grandimarkey (profile) 27 June 2011 at 8:37 pm
    between the bridges:

    “you can’t be a member and be a unionist”

    Pray tell, how not?

    1.2 The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.

    2.1 Membership of the Association shall be granted only by a Club, to persons who subscribe to and undertake to further the aims and objects of the Gaelic Athletic Association, as stated in the Official Guide.

    And let’s not forget what happens if a prod plays this all inclusive sport..http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protestant-gaa-star-hounded-out-by-vile-taunts-1049377.html

  • ayeYerMa, the difference, as if you don’t know full well already, is that unlike those who celebrated their team, the Republic of Ireland winning against Northern Ireland, McCrea isn’t a GAA fan.

    foyle observer,

    The similarity with the McCrea case lies with the hypocrisy factor.

    There were several “celebrating” the ROI’s victory on here who decided to turn a blind eye towards the sectarian behaviour exhibited by a minority of ROI during the match ,despite them being the first to the barricades when NI fans misbehave.

    Sectarian bigotry (as preached by Slugger’s Holier than The Huns) is generally a one-way street.
    A view also held by McCrea and his ilk.

  • ayeYerMa

    McCrae really has no tact or politician’s guile in making such jibes (though perhaps that is hard with the Twitter character limit). Here’s what McCrae should have said in criticism of the GAA (again, not possible on rubbish forms of communication like Twitter):

    The thing about sports such as hurling is that they are much older than the GAA. Is it really not time that the GAA just became a normal sports body and dropped all the political stuff? At present all the political, nationalistic and terrorist martyrdom is really doing no favours to such an ancient game. There was also the recent refusal of all Ulster counties but down to meet the Queen. Given such de-politicisation, I’m sure many Unionists could be encouraged to play such a sport when reminded that Carson did so, and perhaps more prominently re-embrace the Irish aspect to their identity.

  • between the bridges

    ayeyerma.now now!! play by the rules! we all know that if a proddyorangebigot dare’s to criticize the inclusive grab all association that just proves you’re a proddyorangebigot! this fact is supported by the huge numbers of non bigot PUL that play and support the glorious above reproach sport.

  • JR

    BTB,
    Couldn’t have put it better myself !

  • between the bridges

    JR..touche!
    On a serious note, having recently been stung, how can you justify 20quid for a raffle ticket? When a mate asks you to buy a ticket for his garlic club you just don’t think to say ‘how much’ you just say ‘aye ok’ and wonder why the toe rag’s smirking at ya!! I am as happy as the time I was rat arsed in killybegs and had it pointed out to me that although the girl was indeed attractive the collection tin did not say ‘pensioners’ fund…the moral is dyslexia and drink do not mix as well as ‘sport’ and politics…

  • grandimarkey

    “you can’t be a member and be a unionist

    1.2 The Association is a National Organisation which has as its basic aim the strengthening of the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic Games and pastimes.

    2.1 Membership of the Association shall be granted only by a Club, to persons who subscribe to and undertake to further the aims and objects of the Gaelic Athletic Association, as stated in the Official Guide.”

    This, of course, would mean you couldn’t be a member and Unionist if the particular brand of Unionism you espoused was ‘hardline’.

    Why can a Unionist not want the retention of the Union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain while at the same time happily promote Irish Culture on a 32-County basis? The Irish tourist board does it. And if Peter Robinson is serious about attracting Catholic votes then he may have to do some of it too.

    Irish culture spawning all 32 counties is not the death knell for the Union, far from it, the more secure Nationalists feel their culture is in the Union, the more secure in general within the Union, surely?

  • between the bridges

    grandim… nothing hard or soft line in ‘in a 32 County Ireland’…pray tell me how many PUL members this wonderfully inclusive political/religious/sporting institution attracts? What percentage of county/club level players are PUL? 0%? If you go to your local GAA clubhouse for a pint how many PUL are in there? But sure it’s all our fault cause we are all bigots and sure it’s only ‘sport’.
    I would have a lot more respect if you just called it what it say’s on the tin. CNR political/cultural/religious/sport for CNR community and other non-prods (well maybe we will take a few tame ones) association

  • BTB,

    How many counties does Ireland have then? There are plenty of real and perceived barriers between the GAA and the PUL community – flag, anthem, the occasional foray into politics – but this particular issue is hardly top of the list.

  • between the bridges

    andy…more counties than PUL playing gealicball.

  • grandimarkey

    “nothing hard or soft line in ‘in a 32 County Ireland'”

    Indeed.
    Why is Irish culture being promoted on a 32 county basis so at odds with the retention of the Union?

    “pray tell me how many PUL members this wonderfully inclusive political/religious/sporting institution attracts? What percentage of county/club level players are PUL? 0%? If you go to your local GAA clubhouse for a pint how many PUL are in there?”

    Believe it or not, the GAA does not keep records of their members religious affiliation, so such statistics are rather difficult to come across.

    I myself am not a member of the GAA, just someone who watches and enjoys it immensely, I don’t think all 90,000 who fill Croke Park every year are active members either, membership isn’t required to watch and enjoy the sport.

    “But sure it’s all our fault cause we are all bigots and sure it’s only ‘sport’.”

    I haven’t been commenting on Slugger for long, but I do believe this falls into the MOPE category. I did not once infer that Unionists were bigots or anything was at all their fault in my last comment. I simply stated that those from a more hardline Unionist background or persuasion may be more at odds with the 32 county nature of the organisation than someone from a more liberal or centre-ground background who may not see an Island wide sport as something so diametrically opposed to the principles of Unionism.

    “I would have a lot more respect if you just called it what it say’s on the tin. CNR political/cultural/religious/sport for CNR community and other non-prods (well maybe we will take a few tame ones) association”

    But it doesn’t say that on the tin. That’s your interpretation of said tin. That GAA is not institutionally anti-PUL. It is unashamedly Irish, one must admit, but that does not automatically prevent anyone from the PUL joining or simply enjoying the sport, it would be those PUL community members aversion to the unashamed ‘Irishness’ of the organisation that prevents them from taking an interest.
    Promoting Irish culture across the Island is not going to have any impact on the Union.

    Anyway, I do hope Down manage to make it through the back-door this year and repeat last years success, I don’t see it happening though. Perhaps we may see the Sam Maguire (named after a Protestant Man by all accounts) back over the border sometime soon though.

  • between the bridges

    grandmi.. i said “But sure it’s all our fault cause we are all bigots and sure it’s only ‘sport’.”

    you say ‘it would be those PUL community members aversion to the unashamed ‘Irishness’ of the organisation that prevents them from taking an interest.’

    which i found mildly amusing but the ‘sure Sam was a prod’ is a beaut! do you realize how many times that one gets trotted out? lol

  • grandimarkey

    “grandmi.. i said “But sure it’s all our fault cause we are all bigots and sure it’s only ‘sport’.”

    you say ‘it would be those PUL community members aversion to the unashamed ‘Irishness’ of the organisation that prevents them from taking an interest.’”

    Fair enough. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I don’t see anything institutionally ‘anti-PUL’ in the GAA. You disagree.

    But I’d love it if you answered my question.

    Why is Irish culture being promoted on a 32 county basis so at odds with the retention of the Union?

  • between the bridges

    grandmi… sure that an easy one… 6 counties are British!!

    now can you answer me if the gaa is so wonderful and so open why name grounds/club/trophy’s after people who murdered PUL?

    What part of ‘protestant Irish’ culture does the gaa promote?
    why if it’s such an open association is there next too zero PUL players/supporters?

    sorry i forgot you answered that one it’s our fault! lol

  • JR

    Heres a question for you BTB.

    If someone in their younger days gets involved in the Provos, commits a crime then goes to jail. Then a few years later gets out and starts selling lots of those tickets you got stung for. Raises lots of money then volunteers his time to build a new changing facility He also trains the under 14s to win a number of competitions.

    In your opinion is that man excluded from having anything named after him because of his past?

  • between the bridges

    JR.. yes…. billy wright was a ‘christian’ would you associate with a team or club or sport named after him?

  • galloglaigh

    All 32 counties in Ireland are Irish. If they were British, they would be in Britain! Thankfully they are not!

  • galloglaigh

    Billy Wright was no Christian. He’s burning in Hell for his crimes against his fellow man. He was a drug dealing scumbag who had Catholics murdered for his birthday.

  • between the bridges

    gollywog.. i take it then that you would not support a team of competition named after that christian?

  • galloglaigh

    “gollywog”

    Very PC indeed. I bet you use words like nigger, paki and taig too!

    If I knew what a ‘team of competition’ was, I might answer.

  • between the bridges

    gollygosh…typo..’team or competition’…answer away old bean

  • galloglaigh

    Until you address your question using my username, you don’t deserve an answer.

    Maybe I should call you ‘fresh air between the ears’, but then that would lower me to your level.

    Play the ball, not the man!

  • between the bridges
  • galloglaigh

    And your point is?

  • between the bridges

    Dear GG I must apologize for not engaging at level of intellect required when conversing with a special person like you. The quality of your first two posts made me acutely aware I was out of my depth so I hid behind comedy rather than deal with your serious issues. So pretty please with bells on would you tell me if you would support a team Or competition that carried the name of the born again Christina you don’t like?

  • Nunoftheabove

    galloglaigh

    To the contrary, there is nothing unbiblical about the Rat’s actions at all. In loyalist terms, Irish catholics and/or republicans are or were straightforwardly analogous to the Amalekites and therefore to be slaughtered on the very orders of the christian God.

    Did the alleged Jesus come to bring peace ? Nope. Not according to the gosepl of Matthew he didn’t. Not a bit of it. He came not to bring peace but a sword is what Matthew ‘tells’ us the man himself said.

    UnChristian my arse.

  • galloglaigh

    Nunoftheabove

    Now you’re talking.

  • between the bridges

    Nun…don’t confuse him!

  • galloglaigh

    That’s right I’m a stupid inbred Catholic. Old habits die hard!

  • between the bridges

    GG no one asked for your life story, just answer to a simple question….i think my proddyorangebigot crystal ball is providing the answer…

  • galloglaigh

    It would, wouldn’t it.

  • between the bridges

    GG once again i am underwhelmed by your insightfulness

  • Nunoftheabove

    galloglaigh

    Just to be clear, I was disagreeing with you in literally every respect. In purely christian terms, there is no reason whatsoever of any kind to make the assumption that Mr Wright went to or remains in hell. I personally rather regret the fact that there isn’t one for him to go to, but leaving that aside, I repeat, there is nothing essentially unbiblical about what the Rat did at all. Christians can argue until they’re blue in the balls about why they take issue with that but the facts are that there are simply no convincing biblical grounds for them to do so, assuming that they stay clear of what they ususally do which is to say that while they are (of course !) bible-believing, they choose the bits they like and use words like misinterpretation or contextual misplacement about the bits they don’t like, which are inconvenient or which cause them difficulty. A much more honest approach would be to say that they don’t believe in it at all (either it’s all true or it isn’t; I’m clear which camp I’m in). This would have the distinct benefit of relieving them of a lifetime of looking and sounding exceptionally foolish and, on occasion, behaving unbelievably immorally. Bit like a believing practicing Christian like Billy Wright did, say.

  • between the bridges

    Nun… i refer to my last comment to yourself!

  • galloglaigh

    It’s funny that we are talking about Wright in an entry dealing with the sectarian bigotry of Ian McCrea!

    Between the bridges, what is your point?

  • FuturePhysicist

    A bit of sporting schadenfreude, he’s hardly the only one in the north happy to see Tyrone lose,

    Anyway if Donegal do win he’ll have to put up with Pat Doherty celebrating and you can’t be having that and Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin if Monaghan or Cavan win it.

    Do Sinn Féin have an elected representative for each of the remaining counties outside of Ulster?

    Kildare? Kerry? London?

  • FuturePhysicist

    still in the hunt for the Sam Maguire Trophy I mean.

  • between the bridges

    GG my points…are although as a politico McCrea should have had the sense to say or to be more precise twitter nothing on the subject. The reaction his remarks receive are the same reactions any PUL receive if in any they do not show support for “their team’’ and god forbid any PUL who dare’s criticize the glorious game!
    Many on here where very quick to brand Norn iron supporters and the IFA as sectarian, yet ridicule any suggestion that the GAA is far from perfect!!
    Now the impartially of these views is clear for all to see…
    Grounds… named after royal family bad… named after IRA good
    Anthems… GSTQ bad…SS good
    Flags…union or red hand (prod version) bad…tricolor and red hand (yellow) good.
    Players…CNR at high level, bad (just look what happen to poor Neil) PUL player at any level in GAA….nonexistent cause they are all bigots and don’t like our ‘sport’ and its obvious we are non sectarian because ‘Sam’ was a prod so there!

  • grandimarkey

    between the bridges

    grandmi… sure that an easy one… 6 counties are British!!

    Irish culture can not be promoted on a 32 county basis because 6 of those counties are British.
    The 6 British counties you refer to contain a great many people who want to promote and enjoy Irish culture. Why are they not allowed to do so on an island wide basis?

  • between the bridges

    grandi…whoosh…

  • lamhdearg

    He got the memo.
    Martin said “there was no justification for an attack on a family CAR “.
    message to non irish nationalists, do not say you dont care for the G.A.A. or else, and in the mean time irish nationalists will slag of the O.O. and burn out O.O. halls (another attempt last night) attack O.O. parades (as happened on friday night in east belfast). but if non irish nationalist hit back the press will gladly run with the psni line that the loyalists started it. and some on slugger will wonder why the loylists” have got a problem”.

  • galloglaigh

    lamhdearg, if you know who burnt Mr McCrea’s car, you should go to the PSNI with your information.

  • Looks that the thugs who burnt this unpleasant man’s car didn’t get the memo either. It’s a disgusting act irrespective if you agree or disagree with the man’s politics.

  • Comrade Stalin

    lamhdearg, I really don’t believe McGuinness meant that he cared more for the car than for the terrified family inside the house.

    There is no justification whatsoever for any attack like this, end of. Even worse when it involves terrifying young children.

  • Nunoftheabove

    Assuming this attack is directly flowing from his comments above, this is straightforwardly a freedom of speech issue. Either this man can say as he pleases – and is fully entitled to expect to be robustly ridiculed and satired in return for so doing, from time to time – or he can’t. I for one will say that I do defend his right to say whatever he likes and will defend the right of myself and others to articulate our reactions – in writing or verbally – to what he says and what he represents, in return. What I won’t do is defend those who attack his family car – and, in effect, his family – because they disagree with what he says. I will take particular exception to those who – without even having the morality to acknowledge it -refuse to take personal responsibility for their own actions as a consequence of what he says on account of finding his opinions ‘offensive’.

    This is a very basic, very minor test of a decent society so let’s hear a whole lot less about this man’s alleged responsibility to choose his words carefully and hear a whole lot more about his right to say what he likes and to encounter no threat to the personal safety of his family as a result. Anyone prepared to admit that they don’t – or couldn’t – pass this very easy test without using the words ‘but’ or ‘however’ ?

  • pauluk

    The message is clear: Mock your local GAA, and we’ll come and get you!

  • Republic of Connaught

    Whoever burned his car should be locked up and banned from the GAA for life – if they’re even members. McCrea, like anyone else, is entitled to be an annoying individual without having his car burned out.

  • pippakin

    Whoever did it should be made to buy the victim a new, top of the range, car.