POTD – On Parade

Newtownards Road

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  • JR

    Put MP, They refer to the Old UVF. Those honorable guys who defended Ulster from Democracy in the 1920’s

  • ranger1640

    Not much difference between that and the new republican mural being painted at the junction of Northumberland Street, Falls Road.

  • andnowwhat

    Don’t think that amount of people wore jeans in 1915 JR.

    Nice one Ranger, Whataboutery in the second post.

    Is there some sort of “be first to adhere to an internet cliché” competition going on on Slugger that I’ve missed?

  • Well said Ranger

  • between the bridges

    Andnw… I believe the whatterbouttery first appeared in post one (not a pop at you JR) your inability to recognize this confirms you own position of stature in the whatterbouttery camp. Whereas I am renowned for my impartial stance!! demin of course was the clothing of choice for the cowboys circa 1880’s. re photo the shadows give it a ‘high noon’ ambiance.

  • ranger1640

    I didn’t think I was indulging in whataboutery, it is how you interpreted the post. I was bringing to the forum the similarities between the murals. Both murals depict terrorists in one form or another. How the groups portray the scenes may differ but in essence it is terrorist graffiti.

    My personal option is that all of this type of ghastly offensive graffiti should be removed.

  • andnowwhat

    @BTB

    JR’s post refers to the oft used nonsense (that no one actually buys) is they are celebrating the “old UVF”, something that anuses us all endlessly.

    Now, where is the whataboutery in that?

  • between the bridges

    andnw..thank you for confirming my post.

  • andnowwhat

    Fair enough Ranger.

    I’m curious to know what’s the spur in this spate of UVF murals? Is it related to the community’s recent rejection of them in the assembly elections, for example?

    I’m also thinking about this behaviour relative to the recent report on PUL children. There are those who would argue that the UVF had some legitimacy in the past (an argument for another day) but today they are gangsters, nothing else but gangsters. Is this the iconography people want their children to be inspired by?

    Why was a Glens mural painted over to be replaced by an UVF one? Surely a positive image being painted over by a negative one?

  • between the bridges

    Andwn.. my turn for the whbtty…if these gangsters had got themselves supported by ‘their community’ and elected, would that now make them respectable gangsters? Is this the iconography people want their children to be inspired by?

  • between the bridges

    re the glens mural been painted over now that IS a crime!

  • andnowwhat

    BTB

    Unlike many unionist posters on here, I do not seek to dictate to the PUL community what they should or shouldn’t do.

    Just as they don’t have the adequate insight to comment on mu community, so I do not have enough insight to comment with adequate voracity on their’s.

  • andnowwhat

    BTB

    In case you missed it, the gangsters did get themselves elected in the form of Dawn Purvis.

    They were given every chance to transform but failed to big style.

  • between the bridges

    Andnw…They were given every chance to transform but failed to big style. i agree with you on that. perhaps if they had called themselves the real continuity 6 county uvf they may have been able to fool some of the people some/all of the time eh?

    Re the uvf verus the superglens I am a fan of one and not the other

  • JR

    BTB,

    Me? Wateboutary? Never!! I was merely pointing out those in the crowd scene depicted flying those purple UVF flags obviously supporting the actions of the 1912 UVF’ers who went to the Somme. That is what those flags stand for isn’t it?

  • between the bridges

    JR. according to my source ‘They refer to the Old UVF. Those honorable guys who defended Ulster from Democracy in the 1920′s’… 🙂

  • andnowwhat

    Hmmm, I didn’t think the rules regarding whataboutery were so complex.

    Clearly I am wrong

  • tacapall

    “Fears over loyalist ceasefire”

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/fears-over-loyalist-ceasefire-16012270.html

    A senior unionist has raised fears loyalists could be planning to target dissident republicans.

    The politician, speaking on condition of anonymity, said “an informed security source” had revealed that “elements of the UDA and UVF were looking at the dissident threat”.

    here was an example of this in the period leading up to the recent Stormont and local government elections when two UVF murals were painted on the Newtownards Road in east Belfast.

    They showed men in balaclavas carrying guns — paintings designed to deliver a war message.

    Guess thats what the mural is about then.

  • between the bridges

    andwn..there are no rules on whataboutery just a sliding scale therefore it is possible to be right while being wrong.

  • I had a very interesting conversation about these new murals today. I’m left with the conclusion that the sinister element of these cannot be ignored. I was also told on very good authority that there are to be 10 new murals in total around East Belfast, unfortunately all of them of the balaclava wearing AK-47 toting variety.

  • Trapattoni

    This is a reaction to Niall O’Donnghaile’s election in East Belfast and elevation to position of Mayor, Loyalists in East Belfast reacted in a similar fashion to Joe O’Donnell’s election a decade ago, it was a spate of flags across the east rather than a spate of murals back then. It eventually lead into what can only be described as a long hot summer for residents of the Short Strand. Hopefully there will be no repeat of that.

  • “I was also told on very good authority that there are to be 10 new murals in total around East Belfast”

    Wrong – higher

  • andnowwhat

    Sorry Trappatoni but the latest spate of murals started before Niall’s appointment.

    I’d go for a reaction to the people rejecting the PUP. They started VERY soon after the assembly results.

  • MonkDeWallyDeHonk

    Tapacall

    “A senior unionist has raised fears loyalists could be planning to target dissident republicans ”

    In reality – a bunch of cowardly so-called “loyalist” spides high on drink/drugs will kill the first easy target Taig that they can find.

    They will then issue a statement from someone with a sickening self-awarded “military” rank claiming that they have struck a great blow for Ulster by killing a vital Republican dissident.

    That was the usual procedure for the UDA/UVF in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s.