“Theirs is a vote for equality…”

One of the new TDs for Louth, and still Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, Gerard Adams, has thanked all those who voted for his party.

“I want to thank everyone who worked for Sinn Féin and all those citizens who voted for us.

“Theirs is vote is a vote for equality, a real republic and a United Ireland in which citizens are cherished.”

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  • ItwasSammyMcNally

    Pete,

    A party can have more than one policy, just as a blogger can (sometimes) have more than one theme.

  • The Word

    Of course, whatever about these two options the reality is as ever with Sinn Fein that the vote is about being just like those serious superior people, the English.

    But will their Cavan- Monaghan man continue to lead in the Dail? Has anybody ever seen a finer example of the last remnants of England in Ireland?

    The only problem for us is to get there before they topple us back into the UK.

  • Pete Baker

    Sammy Mac

    During the campaign unilaterally ‘burn the bondholders’ was Gerry’s emotional-based repeated pitch to the electorate.

    And nevermind the consequences.

    Now it was a vote for meaningless rhetoric.

    Go figure…

  • George

    Adams might have figured that now he has a new title he would be going under that one but obviously not.

    Still the bailiff I note. I wonder how much longer we all have to endure it. My prediction is that it will be out of fashion by the end of March.

    Also, I thought that Adams’ most repeated emotional-based pitch during the campaign was “cherishing” the citizens of the Republic. He certainly used it in the leaders debate, don’t know whether he wheeled out the burning the bondholders line.

  • Pete Baker

    George

    “Still the bailiff I note. I wonder how much longer we all have to endure it.”

    Until he either resigns, or is replaced by the next Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead.

  • George

    Pete,
    that may well be but it’s also a question of relevance.

    Seeing as Adams is now a TD in Dáil Éireann and for the first time since the 1986 “change of direction” there are more Sinn Féin voters south of the border than north of it, this Bailiff business seems a bit out of date.

    I would would have thought that the story now is that the leader of Sinn Féin is now Gerry Adams TD not Bailiff of wherever.

    But feel free to continue to call Adams what you see fit, just don’t call Pearse Doherty a civil engineer.

  • Pete Baker

    George

    “But feel free to continue to call Adams what you see fit, just don’t call Pearse Doherty a civil engineer.”

    Just the facts, ma’am. Just the facts. 😉

    And the fact is Gerry’s still Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead.

  • Driftwood

    SF is now in BNP territory, Adams and Griffin as the anti EU outsiders. Where hopefully they shall remain.

  • perseus

    “equality, a real republic and a United Ireland in which citizens are cherished.”

    .. meaningless rhetoric! eh?

    Criticizing adams for star-gazing ?

  • Kevin Barry

    PB,

    Do you have that whole spiel of Crown Steward etc on control v on your computer?

  • Carrickmoreman

    “I would have thought that the story now is that the leader of Sinn Féin is now Gerry Adams TD not Bailiff of wherever.”

    Anyone who isn’t petty would agree.

  • Bejasus

    As a Yank with no dog in any political fights, north or south, I have enjoyed having Slugger O’Toole as a way of understanding what the mainstream papers often leave out.

    But I have to say, the repeated references to the Bailiff thing — in the main posts — has long gone past the point of being either interesting or funny or meaningful. Whatever it aims to mock, I think it hits another target. But I know it definitely brings the tone of Slugger O’Toole down.

  • MonkDeWallyDeHonk

    Carrickmoreman and Bejasus

    I agree about the tedious Bailiff thing but, given the success that Sinn Fein have had (and despite the childish rubbish we’ll get from some Unionists on this site), that’s clearly what it is – that’s really all the ámmunition they’ve got.

    I don’t support SF (up to now I would have been FF but I don’t think that I would have bothered in this election).

    However, given the massive efforts of the pro British media to do GA + SF down, it was quite an achievement.

    My personal view is that SF’s economic policies are unrealistic to put it mildly.

    However, looking at their critics – a bunch of incompetents and crooks who have pawned Ireland to the IMF/EU. A new “leader” who apparently is going to renegotiate the whole deal – (and I called SF unrealistic!). And in the North we have a bunch of “leaders” whose sole expertise has been in sponging off the British taxpayer for decades and whinging about the way they are treated.

    I remember when SF stood in elections in the North in 1982 and Unionists laughed – in 3 months, they might well be laughing at a SF First Minister.

    If you look at it objectively, SF have exceeded the target they set themselves (which was a 100% increase in their seats!) and come a long long way since 2007.

    Whether you agree with them or not, that was quite a performance and I think most sensible people would acknowledge that.

    Unless, of course, you prefer to ignore the realities of political life and stick to tedious unfunny petty name calling.

  • Cynic2

    I cherish the people of Ireland too – especially those buried on beaches and bogs or beaten to death in hay-sheds

  • Nordie Northsider

    What a wretched, intellectually bereft post. We’ve just had the most dramatic election in post-war Irish history and Slugger offers up (1) a shocking expose of how a politician sometimes emphasises different things at different times (2) name-calling.
    Nothing to see here…

  • stewart1

    Well said Nordie

    Although PB is obviously struggling to deal with the SF success and the electorate’s support of GA.

  • Mark

    Pete , with all this cherishing going on , surely a hardened critic like yourself could find the good grace from somewhere to let Gerry Adams TD cherish his own little moment .

    We know this is a very low point for you Pete .You’ve made no secret of the fact that you wanted Gerry Adams TD to fail in GE11 but he hasn’t and while everyone knows just how sick you must be feeling at the thought of Gerry Adams TD becoming a TD , could you not find it in your heart to let Gerry Adams TD bask in the glory of becoming what you hoped and hoped and prayed and hoped he wouldn’t .Gerry Adams TD – it has a nice ring to it ..

  • perseus

    Mark,
    same thing happenend in the UK in 2005
    Paxman interviews George Galloway
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlE5cTcYZbs

  • Brian

    Seriously Pete?

    This is one of the more pathetics postings on this esteemed website.

    Nordie said it best already: ‘What a wretched, intellectually bereft post. We’ve just had the most dramatic election in post-war Irish history and Slugger offers up (1) a shocking expose of how a politician sometimes emphasises different things at different times (2) name-calling.’

  • socaire

    Mr Baker, if the British anointed your good self as Baron D**khead, Lord of the Dunghill, would that make it so?

  • Mark

    Perseus,

    Nice link , spot on ( I must find out how to do that , my computer skills are worse than my Irish ) …

    You know Perseus , if ever an election for a seat was fought over hearts and minds , this was it . Pete and the boys tried everything they could to stop Gerry Adams TD from becoming a TD . I don’t think Pete understands the mindset of Nat / Rep Community from the North , South , East , Far East and West in that the old ” yeah , but he’s our bastard ” attitude will always come out as long as the boot continues to come from certain elements who can’t stomach the fact that Gerry Adams TD has now become a TD and will now be known as Gerry Adams TD in the proper political circles and not those silly makey upy outer space circles that Pete seems to be going around in again and again and again .

  • Mick Fealty

    Brian,

    On the disingenuity scale, that’s a near perfect ten.

    Slugger is perfectly able to think and say different things at the same time. We have more than a quorum of Republican bloggers, and material from GE11 available.

    There’s been a lot of crap talked about this issue. And there’s been a lot of people who have tried to pretend things were other than they are.

    Pete is perfectly right to say that Mr Adams has an office of profit under the crown. It’s up to him to relinquish it, if he so wishes. Until he does, he retains the title until the next MP jumps ship.

    All the synthetic anger in the world won’t change that.

  • Mark

    Synthetetic anger is a bit rich Mick …

  • Mick Fealty

    No, judging my your ill-tempered outbursts on another thread, I am pretty sure yours is genuine Mark. And if you repeat your lies against Pete, you’ll be down for a black spot next time.

  • Mark

    Mick ,

    to pretend things were other than they are …. like dropping hints , innunendo , gossip ( wow , where have I heard that ? ) , repeating things they’ve heard at work / socially / at business meetings / family abroad …. or are they’re now different scales of true Irishmen in some people’s eyes ..?? based on the ability to speak the native tongue ? lol ….

  • Mark

    Lies ??

  • Mark

    You’re mixing up the Mark’s there Mick ….really – check or produce the thread where I made up lies – I”m sure you can ?

  • Mick Fealty

    Go back and read your last reply to him. I should more temporately say that you have accused him of lying. It’s probably more sloppiness than intentional, but it is what comes from insisting on playing the man rather than the ball.

  • perseus

    Mick,
    as far as I know the rules governing these matters in the House of Commons
    go back to the 16th Century.
    The tory cabinet mp responsible for the legal twists over a resigning MP
    has said he doesn’t intend to change the rules.

    Does anyone reasonably expect Adams to get involved in 16th Century archaic rules .?

    He’s resigned his seat .. now the ball is in London’s court ..

    The silly tittering was funny a few weeks back .
    .
    now its boring ..Is that fair?

  • Mick Fealty

    Look, I think it’s a ridiculous way to have to resign a seat. And I also think Adams did the right thing by signalling he was giving up the West Belfast seat.

    But them’s the rules. The only ones being ridiculous are those insisting the reality is different from the one that actually pertains. Blackening the name of anyone who points out the reality is pointlessly malign, and, more relevantly, it’s playing the man rather than the ball!

    If you don’t like the post, then move on without remark.

  • Mark

    Mick ,

    Pete has made Gerry Adams the ball in this thread and in many others ….

    Why have a comments policy if you can’t give an honest comment . You gave me a red card for telling some one to F??? off and fair play , I understand that ….but in IMHO some threads are started at a particular time in the day/night and about a particular topic ( Eoghan Harris ) just to get the juices flowing . It’s perfectly understandable but are the posters to be handicapped when the guys who start the thread are not ..??

    Mick , on one of your posts , you’ve called my sloppy and that’s playing the man but that’s what I am – a man and not a nancy boy …

    I know there has been alot of giddiness from me and this is a serious site but if a tone is set by the fire starter / thread starter , it’s hard not to follow the fire …

    But I heed your warning Mick and intend to stick ….to your rules from now on and the moustache joke was just that … a joke ….but at least I know now how to get a response from you as you won’t reply to my e mails ( all three I think ) …saucer of milk and all that …….

  • Kevin Barry

    This thread is simply hilarious.

    Mark et al, why are you getting worked up with PB? This thread of his is perhaps one of his weakest I have ever read, he’s constantly using a title that really means bo diddily and is somewhat peeved that GA et al did pretty well over the weekend.

    All I want to know is if he pastes in the title every time he writes a thread on GA.

    Mark, re PB using all of his power to stop GA from becoming a TD, please don’t pretend that a website like this has any kind of sway over voters. This site is full of political junkies who have already made there mind up and the wider public wouldn’t touch this place. Sorry Mick, that’s not meant as an insult or anything but this is a niche site and that’s why we all love it.

  • vanhelsing

    socaire,

    Gerry Adams took the role of MP for West Belfast and accepted the Queens shilling [quite a few over the years in fact]. He neglected to represent his constituents in West Belfast in Parliament and now the poor people of Louth have to endure him.

    You can’t have it both ways; as Pete points out he is the Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, whine about it all you like but he, and you, can’t have it both ways.

    Mark,

    regarding mick “but at least I know now how to get a response from you as you won’t reply to my e mails ( all three I think ) …saucer of milk and all that”

    He is a busy guy [especially over the last few weeks] – we all send him mail and sometimes he gets back and sometimes he doesn’t – but complaining about it on a public thread is not the way a man [not a nancy boy] deals with such set backs. Slugger can be a hard life at times but suck it in!!

    VH

  • socaire

    A few minor points, van, that stand out. This archaic language that still calls it the Queen’s shilling refers to enlisting in the English Army and it is now the taxpayer’s 5p. As for the stupid dunderheads who continued to support Mr Adams through the years in W Belfast and his new constituents – obviously stupid too – in Louth …….. well what can one say? I repeat in case you missed my point. The English Dáil can call the moon as the turnip but it does not make it so. And anyway, I, moi, am the Bailiff of wherever and have been since 1678.

  • “Which might come as news to those who thought they were voting”

    Pete, the Baron trivia is more likely to be news to the Plain People; they might even have missed the proposed arson attack on the bondholders. Equality, real republic and United Ireland are standard fare, not just for SF but also for other Nationalist parties; they’re tribal shibboleths and I’d be surprised if they don’t feature in SDLP rhetoric in the run up to #AE11.

  • “the wider public wouldn’t touch this place”

    KB, the wider public are maybe not that interested in political conversations but I should imagine that the ‘movers and shakers’ keep a wary eye – especially those at risk of being shaken 🙂

  • Mark

    Kevin ,

    I can’t whallop Pete in the gooleys so I just tried to use the language he was using . I don’t think I said Pete had any ( superhuman ) powers but I know what you mean …lol

  • vanhelsing

    Socaire,

    I understand your correction and did know about the Queens shilling and its original use. I was just using it metaphorically to represent taking money from the British Crown [err public purse]….

  • Kevin Barry

    Mark,

    Fair point, but, to be fair to PB, he had a bad weekend so it was to be expected that he would post something like this.

    I actually like most of his posts as it gets the creative juices flowing on this site and people talking. If it wasn’t for his single mindedness we wouldn’t be having this ridiculous thread

  • Mark

    Van,

    I know Mick is a busy man and my e mails were in relation to one of my yellow / red cards . I didn’t expect a reply and nor should I .

  • Kevin Barry

    Nevin

    Perhaps they do keep an eye on this place; if you’re running for office you are a political junkie in my book.

    But, to think they might be shaken by what a few crazies like us all think as we sift through everything they say and do to score political points against one another, no way does this have any sway on what happens in the real world. That’s part of the attraction of slugger for me, its a forum for all of us who might’nt normally get the chance to have a strong argument over politics in a very convenient place.

  • Mark

    Kevin ,

    If I wanted to find out how out what’s its like to be bi – sexual or indeed listen to people dishin du durt or swappin coddle receipes , I’d be over on Quija boards.ie where all the de banned folk ( dat’s not de fellas wit de drums ) hang out .

  • JB, the ‘mover and shakers’ aren’t just politicians. They include senior public servants (including watchdogs), developers, lobbyists – and media moguls.

    I do a little bit of ‘shaking’ in my own small way, aided and abetted by friends 🙂

  • Kevin Barry

    Nevin, fair point regarding movers and shakers. I really don’t want to come across as slagging of slugger, it’s a great site, but what i’m trying to say is that 9/10 voters would not be on here and have their opinions changed.

    Btw, nice blog you have on the go.

    Mark, couldn’t agree with you more.

    Getting back to the point of Pete’s thread, I would say that IWSMN hit the nail on the head, a party is allowed to have more than one policy. Also, GA’s claim that he wants to unilaterally burn the bondholders and have a country based on equality aren’t something at odds with each other.

  • Pete Baker

    Kevin

    “a party is allowed to have more than one policy”

    Nobody said they couldn’t.

    The point is that a United Ireland was not an issue in this election – see linked post.

    Unilaterally burning the bondholders, as Sinn Féin campaigned for, was.

    Claiming increased support for a United Ireland after the fact is, well, disingenuous at best.

    But if votes for SF are an indication of that support then there’s 90% opposed…

  • JH

    Pete are you really saying that people were voting for Sinn Fein in spite of their United Ireland stance? Because I think most voters would know it comes with the territory…

  • Mark

    and I would think that fact is pretty obvious to most people who are looking at if from an informed , unbiased , educated view …

  • Kevin Barry

    Pete,

    Thanks for the reply. I believe going on what you have quoted above from GA it was a vote for

    ‘a United Ireland in which citizens are cherished’

    Are you honestly trying to tell me that the Shinners dropped their desire for a UI from their list of things that they are campaigning for? With all due respect Pete, they blabber on about it at all times.

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

    Page 38 is entitled Uniting Ireland

    As for your link, which I believe I commented on, though not a debating point amongst the candidates as they all had bigger fish to fry, a UI does still form a part of SF’s manifesto which is what a party would campaign on. Whether it comes up or not in a discussion is another matter.

    Let’s be honest here Pete, people who would vote for SF would probably feel strongly about wanting a UI, it’s kind of the party’s raison d’etre.

    As for your last point, I believe you’re 100% correct, Southern Irish simply don’t want a UI 😉

  • Neil

    Still and all, great result there, regardless of what posh boy decides to call him. As for the winner’s quote, ah well. Some people expect a comprehensive restatement of all policies campaigned on. Not necessarily those in the demographic that we need worry about though.

    SF will now be judged on their performance. Here’s hoping for another 160% increase in representation. LOL.

  • Pete Baker

    “Are you honestly trying to tell me that the Shinners dropped their desire for a UI from their list of things that they are campaigning for?”

    Has comprehension suddenly been abandoned by our education system?

    Let’s try again

    The point is that a United Ireland was not an issue in this election – see linked post.

    Unilaterally burning the bondholders, as Sinn Féin campaigned for, was.

    Claiming increased support for a United Ireland after the fact is, well, disingenuous at best.

    But if votes for SF are an indication of that support then there’s 90% opposed…

  • Kevin Barry

    Now now Pete, no need to get your knickers in a twist or to be ignorant.

    I refer you to their manifesto once again, just in case you haven’t read it and I ask you, once again, are you honestly telling me and others that a UI is not an issue during an election for SF?

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

    Once again, Page 38 is entitled Uniting Ireland.

    It may not have been an issue for all the other parties, but according to SF’s manifesto, it was an issue for them.

  • perseus

    peteb
    I thought you’d studied the man , where’s the comprehension?

    his lines are not really directed at your kind
    thanks all the same for showing an interest ..

    I’m sure he reads slugger and will take on board
    the help you’re freely offering
    we didn’t know you cared ?

    Go raibh maith agat

  • Kevin Barry

    ‘Kevin

    “a party is allowed to have more than one policy”

    Nobody said they couldn’t.’

    AND

    ‘The point is that a United Ireland was not an issue in this election – see linked post.

    Unilaterally burning the bondholders, as Sinn Féin campaigned for, was.’

    I refer to the below

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

    Page 38 is entitled Uniting Ireland

    Not saying they didn’t campaign on burning the bondholders (here’s hoping), but the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead does also have creating the conditions for a UI as one of his objectives in this election as evidenced by their manifesto, so carping away at something that wasn’t brought up in a major debate doesn’t mean that it wasn’t an issue for SF.

    It’s ok Pete, I’ll let you off this time. I’m off to learn some Russian, спокойной ночи agus oiche mhaith.

  • perseus

    nice one kevin,
    DUP couldn’t wait till ROI election was over to get out of the starting blocks.
    A good one for peteb will be the crisis in the North when MMG is First Minister;
    Robinson says he may not put up a DFM..
    At least with this one, its entirely of DUP’s making
    as they changed the rules to allow the largest party to nominate FM.

  • Kevin Barry

    Thanks Perseus, whether Martin McG becomes FM or not all I know is that there’ll be no crisis, only synthetic anger.