Just what we need another extremist Political Party

And so it has come to pass that the BNP have registered with the Election Commission to  field candidates in council and assembly elections here.

What with the general election down south this seems to have slipped under the radar very nicely for the extremist party.

This photograph of scrawled graffiti was taken a couple of weeks ago off the Castlereagh road  in East Belfast.

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  • joeCanuck

    Dangerous people or stupid kids?

  • Dangerous people looking for gullible kids joe

  • Mark McGregor

    Mooch,

    I just love it when a facist can’t ever get the bloody swastika round the right way.

    A demonstration of how the graffiti merchants often don’t understand the acronyms and symbols and may just be splashing up anything offensive? I doubt they understand the politics – though C18, FTP and the swastika aren’t directly connected with a serious and legal political entity like the BNP.

  • Maybe i need to go back to specsavers – i don’t see BNP on the wall – and your point is ???

    Oh as Mark says BNP are a legal political party just like Sinn Fein / IRA

    Move on nothing more to read here !!

  • Whilst there ARE deniable links between C18 and the “legitimate BNP ” i think it’s fairly safe to say that there is an insidious overlap between the two organisations

  • jfcb

    Combat 18 – FTP & swastika’s are the calling cards of the cavemen who vote BNP.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Perhaps an electoral pact between BNP and éirigí is out of the question.

  • Nunoftheabove

    fitzjameshorse1745

    Probably both penetrated by the spooks to similar degrees and elements of both appear to be on comparable intellectual levels judging by some of the comments on this site.

  • pauluk

    MP: there is an insidious overlap between the two organisations

    Insidious: Is that like, for instance, the link be the IRA and the GAA?

    Just trying to think of a local example. 😉

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Well thats true of course but basically whatever philosophy (sic) they have is secondary to the publicity they can get at election time. Presumably Nick Griffin will visit……perhaps there will be a small pre-arranged counter demo and some local TV journo will be suitably outraged at having to interview Griffin.
    And of course BNP do “egotists” almost as well as éirigí does. They have a lot in common and perhaps should consider a voting pact for transfers or consider running an agreed candidate in some constituencies.

  • Tweedybird

    Thats all we need in this country…. another extremist party, and just a comment on some of the earleir posts, C18 is linked with the BNP on the mainland and if i’ve got my facts right, I think the UVF had links with C18 in the past.
    Mark your right, it shows you the mentality of these people when they can’t even get their sympols/emblems right.

  • Stephen Blacker

    I would agree with belfastjj that this photo does not directly state that the BNP did this but it does have all the hallmarks of a BNP supporter. I sincerely hope that whoever did this has no understanding of the history of Hilter and the Nazi’s because it would be extremely nasty if Neo-nazi’s got support from naive people in our towns and cities. Say NO to racism.

  • fordprefect

    Fitz
    Name me one Eirigi egotist. I could name you a lot that were/are in the SDLP, Lord Fitt of “Hells Bells” (who advised British troops before they arrived here in the north, on how to treat the “natives”), Austin Curry (who jumped ship when it suited him, and, couldn’t name a street in the constituency where he stood in the free state!), Margaret Ritchie, Alisdair McDonnell and Alex Atwood, to name but a few!
    Nun
    I thought the BNP would be a natural home for you, going by your views and politics.

  • fordprefect

    Tweedy
    The BNP/C18 were linked to the UDA, especially Johnny Adairs brand, i.e. Morons!

  • lamhdearg

    what is the point of this post.

  • vanda

    Keep them where you can see them and let the electorate decide.

  • Nunoftheabove

    fordperfect

    No I’m crystal clear in my opposition to fascists of all descriptions, you on the other hand seem to locate no difficulty or self-consciousness whatsoever in opposing the BNP on one hand (took a lot of profound refelction and mental strain for you, did it ?) while simultaneously aligning yourself with parties, forces and organizations partly or wholly supportive of totalitarian reactionaries in the middle east – racist, homophobic, imperialist, misogynist – that’s how sound your left wing credentials are comrade and you’re tremendously welcome to them.

  • joeCanuck

    One point could be that we should be ever vigilant towards those who would disrupt society.

  • joeCanuck

    And no slipping into name calling (both of you).

  • Cynic2

    “insidious overlap between the two organisations”

    barking mad racist policies? riven with internal feuds?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    éirigí egotists……..lets see.
    well yers yer man from that place and the other fella that lives in that other place ….oh and yer woman whats her name.
    I never caught their names….but definitely egotists.

  • fordprefect

    Nun
    Like I said before (ad infintum) your miniscule brain is a lot like Sarah and Annes!

  • fordprefect

    Fitz
    Yes, like round this place, when the name of a member of the SDLP is mentioned, everyone says: who?

  • Zig70

    They should all have to take a dna test. Then they’d realize that they are all a bunch of mongrels like me. The idea of a pure race in the british isles in this day and age. Gullible people fed an exciting story that we are under threat from dark forces, a familiar thread.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Ford Prefect…..
    “Yes, like round this place, when the name of a member of the SDLP is mentioned, everyone says: who?”

    Yes thats what happens when you live in Mongolia. But in fairness Im not suggesting that the BNP and éirigí merge (that would be daft)……..merely an electoral pact.

  • fordprefect

    LOL@Zig! Maybe a lie detector test would be better!

  • fordprefect

    Fitz
    You mean like the way the SDLP tried to have an electoral pact with (right wing) New Labour? Or is it the way they tried to have an electoral pact with (right wing) Fianna Fail?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    I still think that éirigí outvoting the SDLP is a long shot. Outvoting the man who prints the ballot papers might be possible.

  • fordprefect

    Fitz
    Fair enough,though, I never said that Eirigi were going to outvote the SDLP. As for the man/woman who prints the ballot papers, you never know! LOL

  • While the offensive slogans will probably be removed from the wall, they will not have been in vain, the hate mongers efforts have now been duely recorde given some milage on slugger.

  • Valenciano

    When the BNP membership list was leaked they only had about 40 activists in NI some of whom denied it anyhow so they’ll struggle to achieve anything other than a derisory vote if they stand.

    Overall they’re thankfully past their peak anyway. The party is skint and Griffin’s habit of behaving like, well, a fascist dictator by expelling anyone who expresses the slightest disagreement with him has led to a fracturing of the activist base, some of whom have gone on to form their own micro parties. This is all assuming that they even put up any candidates anyway. They’ve been threatening to do that since at least 2002 so I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • Well said Paul

    “MP: there is an insidious overlap between the two organisations

    Insidious: Is that like, for instance, the link be the IRA and the GAA?

    Just trying to think of a local example”

    So we have a thread with NO link to a legal politicial party – yet the poster is giving them airtime !! IRONIC

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/bnp-now-formally-registered-contest-elections-northern-ireland

  • Just a thought MP are you a Democrat ??

  • vanhelsing

    Does having a swastika the wrong way round mean Nazism in distress 🙂 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_terminology

    I have to agree with other posters – there is however no mention of the BNP on MPs photos. That said their brand of politics has no place in NI and this is an issue that Unionists and Nationalists can stand shoulder to shoulder on. Oppose at every step..

    VH

  • Zachariah Tiffins Foot

    Some paint on one wall does not a political movement make.

    Then again perhaps PhotoGuy has stumbled on something here. We should consider ignoring the mainstream polling organisations, and even elections, and just form governments on the basis of the number, and artistic merit (?), of wall-daubings?

    That being said I’d be living a pretty weird life in all manner of ways if I took my lead from advice given by graffiti ‘artists’.

  • Cynic2

    “the hate mongers efforts have now been duely recorde given some milage on slugger.”

    Maybe if we all stop talking about politics it will go away

  • tuatha

    Vanhelsing – a swastika as shown is oneof the most ancient symbols of the sun,from Sumerian to Vedic India, The nazi ideologist Spengler reversed it into der Hakenkreuz of ill repute to differentiate it from those of a tinted persuasion.
    I find it strange that this was done with a 3″brush & paint rather than in the usual moron manner with a spraycan. Has an odd olde, worlde feel to it.

  • vanhelsing

    tuatha,

    Nice post -was aware of it’s origin in India somewhere…

  • Munsterview

    The swastika is also a Celtic symbol! A business man friend some fifteen years ago looked up Celtic art in 19cen, illustrations old history books and had some beautiful Celtic Carvings done by local craftsmen in Indonesia based on the designs. Among these was a full sized Celtic oblong shield with all the original decorations.

    When he got back the carvings imported and put them on display, he was quickly berated by a tourist visitor : among the shield decorations was a small but prominent ‘right way round’ swastika. While all details were authentic and corresponded to the 200 BC design, he got so much hassle from customers that he just withdrew the shields from sale and gave them away to special customers.

    Whatever the swastika may stand for in the East, in practice the Nazi brand identification is such that left or right symbols will probably always have negative connotations in the West and in Europe in particular.

  • orly

    How many of you raging about the BNP are similarly disgusted by SF or the PUP for example?

    Thought not.

  • Tweedybird

    “Orly”, don’t include everyone with your broad sweep, we’ve had enough of ALL extremist groups in this wee country of ours.

  • View from Wavertree

    Utterly depressing -it’s like exploring an alien planet even though it is home!

  • orly

    @tweedybird

    Just find it funny to see such faux-anger at the BNP when we already have far less savoury characters already in the government (and making a spectacular hash of it)

  • Tweedybird

    orly

    There is no answer to that, between the balls up with the water service, the shambles of the education system and the mistakes made in the health service, you’ve hit it on the nail.

  • or another extremist terror group?

    but then, we knew from the start of the peace process they hadn’t really gone away – what was it again, a change of strategy?

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    BNP are appalling of course and they should f*** off out of Northern Ireland, but it is amusing to hear Irish Republicans criticising a party for bully-boy ethnic supremacism and intolerance against other ethnic groups. What’s the problem, do they not pick on the right ethnic groups?

  • Neil

    It’s of course also a source of amusement in the Nationalist community, as we know where the BNP will make the best head roads: among the denizens of the village who see no hypocrisy in hanging an Israeli flag from a lamp post while displaying their Nazi tattoos.

    Of course we’d both be wrong to tar an entire group with any one brush, but while you may like to infer that Irish Republicans share some kind of ethos with the BNP, it will be interesting to see where they stand. No doubt the Nationalist strongholds of the Village, East Belfast, Coleraine and Ballymoney will be high on their list.

    We’ll continue building an Ireland of equals, you guys can concentrate on your uber Britishness – the source of much amusement amongst actual real Brits who laugh at your keenness while distancing themselves from you as quickly as possible.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Indeed Sinn Fein do very much share an ethos with the BNP, though the BNP haven’t killed as many people as those “building an Ireland of equals”.

    Please let me be part of this serene vision of equality. If I behave really well, will you let me apologise to the IRA for having misunderstood them, forgive me for my Britishness and let me change my nationality to yours? Because you’re right, an Ireland of equals should mean one of the nationalities to adopt the nationality of the other one. That’s um … equal … isn’t it?

    The BNP will go after loyalist votes of course and will get some – but I’d be surprised if a majority of unionists voted for them. Sinn Fein on the other hand, despite being more violent …

  • Neil

    Indeed Sinn Fein do very much share an ethos with the BNP, though the BNP haven’t killed as many people as those “building an Ireland of equals”.

    That’s true. But when you say bully-boy ethnic supremacism and intolerance against other ethnic groups you fall into the usual unionist mistake of thinking that there’s an ethnic angle to the strife here, which involved white Christians only. It’s akin to when Unionists talk of ethnic cleansing, when white Christians fight with other white Christians it’s not ‘ethnic’ strife. But sure, have a good whinge you’ll feel much better.

    Please let me be part of this serene vision of equality. If I behave really well, will you let me apologise to the IRA for having misunderstood them, forgive me for my Britishness and let me change my nationality to yours? Because you’re right, an Ireland of equals should mean one of the nationalities to adopt the nationality of the other one. That’s um … equal … isn’t it?

    You see that’s not a mistake we Nationalists are likely to make and here’s why. We never forced a soul to give up their language, or tried to force people into our Nationalism. We learned that from your lot, you know the ones that can’t stand to see an Irish footballer playing for their national team (ROI), instead preferring to attempt to force them to be British (and failing lol – congrats to Gibson on his goal the other night by the way). In much the same way as the British have forced Britishness on Irish people from the days of the Penal Laws, through the Plantation and right up until, well, last year as mentioned in the football example.

    No, you be British, we’re not so fucking stupid as to try to force people to be a different nationality. We’ll leave that to the Brits and the Unionists. We’ll accept you for who you are, but we certainly won’t expect the same in return as that would not be your typical form.

    The BNP will go after loyalist votes of course and will get some

    Well, be honest will you. All their votes will come from Loyalists. The same loyalists who like to attack immigrants regularly in and around the Village/South Belfast, you know the ones.

    – but I’d be surprised if a majority of unionists voted for them. Sinn Fein on the other hand, despite being more violent …

    Sinn Fein aren’t violent – that would be the IRA you’re thinking of. Sinn Fein are a political party. The IRA is an organisation born out of a desire by Irish people to have civil rights and have some say in their own futuire, in their own country. That’s why the beloved Brits handed back 26 of the 32 stolen counties don’t ya know.

    You have to compare apples with apples. The BNP aren’t fighting for independence. Their fighting for a few moronic, individual IQ Loyalists who hate fenians; jews; arabs; chinese; and every non WASP on the planet. The same guys who hang up Israeli flags over the 12th and scrawl swastikas on walls like retards they don’t see the inherent problem in Israeli supporting Nazis.

    Your attempt to insinuate that these buck eedjits have anything to do with Republicanism will fail, 90% of incidents involving attacks on immigrants happen in Loyalist areas, are carried out by Loyalists, and the British national party will appeal to these people and these people only. Sorry bud but their your problem not ours, not one Nationalist will vote for them. They are Loyalist ya see.

  • Mark

    Judging by the chants at the match last night , the BNP already has it’s hooks into a section of the Northern Ireland football fans . Their behaviour before and after the game was pathetic . Screaming and shouting at the elderly like wild animals , they were urinating in people’s gardens in front of young families , these middle aged men with no shame who are a huge embarrassment for the community in general . What makes these guys tick ? Are they such failures in their personal lives that they resort to this .

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    “you fall into the usual unionist mistake of thinking that there’s an ethnic angle to the strife here, which involved white Christians only.”
    Ethnicity 101 – it’s not just about race. Ulster Protestants are widely recognised as a distinct ethnic group. You don’t have to be a different colour or speak a different language to be in ethnic group! If all white Christians were the same ethnic group, then the French and Germans not to mention Irish and British would all be one indivisible group.

    “we’re not so fucking stupid as to try to force people to be a different nationality”
    2 problems with that:
    1. you just implied we weren’t even a different ethnic group from you, let alone nationality.
    2. Irish nationalism is lost if it does not seek to make another people change its identity, is it not? Nationalists, even of the moderate variety, long held that British people in N. Ireland were not really British, they were suffering from “false consciousness”. There was one indivisible Irish people, wrongly divided by outsiders. We were to be defined as Irish, whether or not we agreed. In the milder form, we would be convinced by argument to accept this Irish nationality; in the Republican form, violence was used to try and force the issue. But in both cases, the Irish nationalist narrative holds that either (1) there IS ALREADY only one single people on the island, the “Irish” people or (2) there are two peoples at the moment, but the British people will have to change. In both cases, an unwelcome identity is allocated to people who don’t want it. That’s what I mean by “forced”.

    “Well, be honest will you. All their votes will come from Loyalists.”
    I didn’t suggest otherwise. I said some Loyalists would vote for them, not that some of their votes would come from Loyalists.

    “Sinn Fein aren’t violent – that would be the IRA you’re thinking of. Sinn Fein are a political party.”
    Oh come on. You know as well as I do that the two were inextricably linked. Heard of the phrase “the Republican movement”? And Sinn Fein still justify and indeed glorify the IRA’s terror campaign, albeit they belatedly realised it wasn’t working and had to give up. Sinn Fein is riddled with unapologetic former IRA men and women. Certainly, they have no moral high ground over BNP members when it comes to links to extremist violence. They are both in the mire, Sinn Fein more so obviously.

    “your attempt to insinuate that these buck eedjits have anything to do with Republicanism”
    You misconstrue, I was not implying the Republicans have close links to the BNP, of course they don’t. I was saying the BNP is a vile British ethnic supremacist party and Sinn Fein are the Irish equivalent. Only worse, because, while their words are framed in the language of the liberal left, they have justified and in some cases carried out repulsive sectarian murder, based on a complete lack of respect for the only other major ethnic group they come into contact with.

    They are both horrible, I am not defending the BNP for a minute. But don’t let the Irish violent purveyors of ethnic hatred off the hook just because they are Irish. Have some humility: if 1969-98 showed us anything, it was that Irish Republicans have no moral high ground over anyone. How’s that “fight for independence” going?

  • The regional organiser is on Nolan at the moment and he is answering none of Nolans questions.
    He is not a shining example of political awareness thats for sure

  • Stephen Blacker

    Moochin Photoman,

    I am just after hearing that too, I found myself feeling sorry for him because he was that useless. Don’t know where he came from but it is obvious that he does not know how politics works, cant see them getting must of a foot hold after that performance.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Some good news at least.

    I’d be surprised anyway if the BNP succeeded where more locally-rooted extreme Loyalist parties have failed.