Friday Thread: The United Kingdom explained

An ignorance of certain sensitivities has got me into enough trouble in the past when referring to Our wee province / Northern Ireland / Our Occupied Six / OUR wee country / the North of Ireland / Here … er there.

This may help, but I do think that there’s a gap for someone to make a similar video simply explaining … there …. to visitors.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Bravo! Spiffing! Splendid!

  • john

    Very good although he did skip through Northern Ireland and could have made it more complex if he wanted too

  • Greenflag

    A good primer but sadly lacking for the experts among whom there are about 1.8 million in that part that is ‘often ‘ forgotten 😉 Fair enough for confused Americans , Brazilians , Russians , Germans and maybe Swaziland . A bit too slanted and generous in the listing of those numerous territories and countries that won their independence without the shedding of blood . But only the USA and India are shown as the eh ‘violent ‘ revolutionaries ? No mention of the eh ‘violence ‘ emanating over several centuries from the second biggest Island in the ‘British ‘Isles nor indeed from Kenya , Cyprus , Palestine , etc etc .

    So lads sorry you sheep worrying yokels all those ‘rebellions ‘ , ‘covenants’ , Easter uprisings , Boyne battles, and Somme sacrifices rate for nowt ?

    So four co equal sovereign nations sharing one passport ?

    About as clear as the three persons on the one sovereign God ;)?

    In defence of the English and lets face it they need some help I as an Irishman take exception to the ould enemy being referred to as ‘slave driving colonial masters ‘

    I know for a fact that they ‘invented ‘ the tea break and cricket and cucumber sandwiches and they were the first State to abolish ‘slavery ‘

    Still despite the criticism’s a hell of a lot of info compressed into 5 minutes . Alas a similiar production for Northern Ireland would run to 5 hours and would probably take 5 years to get agreement on the ‘production and editorial and historical research teams and then about 50 years to get the relevant Assembly Ministers to agree on it’s broadcast 😉

  • Nice little bit of Friday fun but the ‘Republic of Ireland’ label now seems to have been dropped from the official lingo.

  • Clanky

    I know for a fact that they ‘invented ‘ ….. cricket

    I think I would rather be considered as a slave driving colonial 😀

  • A very amusing presentation.

    One other peculiarity not actually mentioned was the feudal hangover status of the Channel Islands. The title of the Queen there is the Duchess of Normandy and a long standing joke amongst the Islanders is that by virtue of the Norman conquest in 1066, they “own” England.

  • Seems to be a hyperlink problem so google this for some more fun: “Rathlin – the Scottish island off the Irish coast”.

  • Greenflag

    Nevin ,

    ‘Republic of Ireland’ label now seems to have been dropped from the official lingo.

    You may have a point .Perhaps all those international bond gamblers avaricious and anonymous from Germany , France and Britain misread the acronym ROI as meaning ‘Return on Investment ‘ as in too good to be missed ?

    But all is not lost . I read our new Finance Minister in waiting is loud in his admiration for Germanic ‘fiscal ‘ rectitude and rumour has it that there are plans afoot to remove the old ROI which can in these googly days have numerous interpretations – from Republic of, to Return on, to the FG ambitious member for Mayo Mr Ring’s preference, a return to ‘ Realm of Ireland ‘ under Queenie .

    Not to worry the money men of Frankfurt have it sewn up . From ROI to NNWBI which in the new vernacular will read Nord Nord West Bundesland Irland . Disrespectful wags of a Spike Milligan irreverence standard are already ahead of the game with their Nord Nord West Bankrottesland Irland .

    But I know where we can hold all those German prisoners of war when we defeat them in the coming economic armageddon . Those 160, 000 empty houses owned by developers who stopped developing will cater for at least 5 each . And we can create immediate jobs by increasing our Army self defeence forces to about 200,000 to guard the POW’s ?

  • Greenflag

    @ clanky,

    ‘I think I would rather be considered as a slave driving colonial ‘

    You might think that clanky but I could’nt possibly agree
    ———– more 😉

  • qwerty12345

    According to this only people who are geographically inside the Republic of Ireland are Irish. This should offend all nationalists and a good number of unionists.

    Fail.

  • JH

    Yeah and I’m from Belfast but I’m not a British citizen so there’s something not quite right there!

    But then I suppose it’s the same as saying Gerry Adams isn’t the Crown Steward and Bailiff etc, it depends on your perspective.

    However I was under the impression that there are no ‘British citizens’ only ‘British subjects’ since it isn’t a republic?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Nice little bit of Friday fun but the ‘Republic of Ireland’ label now seems to have been dropped from the official lingo.

    It never was the “official lingo”. From Article 4 :

    The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

  • Mark

    What is a modern day royal family , I mean ffs ! really if you think about it ….. a royal family ?

    What are you saying to yourself when you wonder about the royal wedding ?

    The only princes you’ll find in a republic are from Harrry Potter .

    Do they really have blue blood ? What makes them better than you ?

    The Russians don’t have one , neither do the Americans or the Chinese or the French ………

    Did Mike Tindall really get the top job on merit ?

    For Queen ….. and Country Music , We miss you Freddy .

    Come on Wales …

  • Mark

    Jammy bastards

  • Reader

    JH: However I was under the impression that there are no ‘British citizens’ only ‘British subjects’ since it isn’t a republic?
    Nope – Thaggie changed the title to Citizen a couple of decades ago. The ‘republic’ bit is a red herring. I think there still are British Subjects scattered around the world, though. Just not in the UK.

  • CS, this thread is about the UK.

    “Agreement between the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the Republic of Ireland Hillsborough, 15 November 1985″**

    “a comprehensive political settlement embracing relationships within Northern Ireland, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and between the two Governments.” .. Framework Documents, 1995

    Most UK government websites now seem to use Ireland but the older phrase still appears in Westminster committee reports.

    ** Irish government version is an agreement between the Government of Ireland and the Government of the United Kingdom.

  • Barry the Blender

    Nevin,

    Your search – “Rathlin – the Scottish island off the Irish coast”. – did not match any documents

  • smellybigoxteronye

    Agreed with qwerty12345.

    This was a good video – all fairly accurate except for the “Irish” and “Northern Irish” thing. We have de Valera to blame for this for trying to claim the island as the Republic’s territory, for attempting to name the Republic “Ireland” on its passports, and inaccurately calling the passport of the Republic an “Irish passport”.

    (note a certain political blog is also guilty following de Valera’s warped views, evidenced by its navigational links – cough!)

  • Nunoftheabove

    smellybigballbagonye

    It could scarcely be described as a non-Irish passport…unless you perhaps have it in mind to introduce us to an alternative paradigm of inaccuracy ?

    As for “trying to claim the island as the Republic’s territory”, the definition of the Republic as declared happened to include all parts of it to begin with. Still does, for some.

    Those from the north whose lives are empty and meaningless to a similar degree such that they worry about things like this have their own passport issues, leastways they do if they regard themselves as truly British. Those from the north who hold UK passports are part of a kingdom which includes Great Britain and (sic) Northern Ireland (as, I believe, has been the case since 1927). Would that not tend to suggest that those people are, ahem, United Kingdomish rather than British per se, NI being defined – accurately enough, I’d say (geographically, at least) – not as part of Great Britain but separate from it and merely part of the UK.

    They can call themselves whatever they like for all I care, don’t get me wrong. Without coming over all Wendy Austinish on anyone’s ass, just wondering how the pedants among their number feel about that and/or explain it.

    On second thoughts, don’t bother – there’s only so much depressing Gregory Campbellish gibberish a fella can take in the one week.

  • Barry, try travelmag rathlin in your search.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Mark:

    The only princes you’ll find in a republic are from Harrry Potter

    Just because there is no formal monarchy in republics, doesn’t mean people don’t see to be able to find ways to substitute for them. Have you noticed how in the USA and Ireland there is a great proportion of family dynasties ? Look at how Dail seats are passed from father to son to grandson. You’ve still got parts of the De Valera line in the Dail and a descendant of Michael Collins ran for the Presidency a decade or so back.

    If you look at the militant republican elements up here in NI, family tradition and bloodline is a part of an individual’s standing in the community. You often hear about people being referred to as being “from a traditional Republican family” etc. Republicans tend to intermarry etc. and keep to themselves.

  • Mark

    Comrade ,

    Its one thing to admire someone, to be in awe of them or respect them , its another to knowingly fund their lavish lifestyle .

    What have they ever achieved ? They take the piss . In this day and age , their decadence is disgusting . Its always the subjects who foot the bill ….

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  • A big thank you to Mick and the team for sorting my web link blockage!!

  • Reader

    Nunoftheabove: Would that not tend to suggest that those people are, ahem, United Kingdomish rather than British per se, NI being defined – accurately enough, I’d say (geographically, at least) – not as part of Great Britain but separate from it and merely part of the UK.
    Are you sure that language pedants are worth invoking to deal with the Humpty-Dumpty labels of the British Isles? (Which is where I live)
    For instance: the name of the big island is not ‘Britain’, but ‘Great Britain’. The big islanders could call themselves ‘Great British’, but haven’t chosen to do so; having adopted the broader term ‘British’.
    And did you see or hear any definition of what ‘Britain’ was?

  • Mike the First

    Nunoftheabove

    All UK passports say “Britsh citizen” (or another form of British nationality) in them.

    And you might be interested in noting that the UK, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man together make up the British Islands.

  • Nun,

    Northern Ireland is more clearly defined than some of the other brands. Just think of the different territories that carry the Ulster (6 n 9), Ireland (26 n 32) and Britain (+ n – NI) labels.

    I suggested about ten years ago that UK was a more appropriate state label than Britain and this has been taken up by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office and the Office for National Statistics.

  • Mainland Ulsterman

    Nun,
    “Would that not tend to suggest that those people are, ahem, United Kingdomish rather than British per se, NI being defined – accurately enough, I’d say (geographically, at least) – not as part of Great Britain but separate from it and merely part of the UK. ”
    British means UK-ish. Hence British passport, British citizen, etc. Britain is bigger than Great Britain. When the PM talks about what Britain is negotiating at the UN or in Europe, he’s clearly referring to the whole country, not just part of it.
    But then I live in a place where there is a road called South Parade which is further north than North Parade. It doesn’t do to get all literal with place names. I could point out that the country of “Ireland” shouldn’t call itself that, as it is not the whole island, but that would be pedantic.

  • Belfast84

    Im born and bred in Belfast, I hold an Irish Passport which i am entitled to own, as a is anybody born in Northern Ireland.
    When i meet people from abroad they refer to me as Irish,
    I refer to myself as Irish not “Northern Irish” because i am a citizen of Ireland. Get some small facts in order before putting together videos pls!!!