Vote Hume now in RTE’s Ireland’s Greatest

Northern chauvinists like me who may hold differing opinions may still want to vote North in the great RTE competition that ends tonight. So go to! Details in the website and in this letter to the Irish Times from my very old (I mean long time) friend. It’s short notice I know but longer than for Strictly or X Factor. Vote now for John Hume.

 

The Editor, The  Irish Times

Dear Madam,

As a friend of John & Pat Hume I would like to ask your readers to vote for John Hume in RTE’s current competition which ends this Friday evening 22nd October 2010.

All of the other contenders either did, have done, or are doing great work. John Hume however I believe has been instrumental in fundamentally altering for the better the lives of everybody on this island both North & South in a way that will be felt for generations to come.

At this stage in his career I think it would be a great tribute to him to win the RTE contest and therefore I would ask your readers to please vote for John Hume.

Voting can be achieved by texting GREAT4 to 53125 (this number applies both North & South) or Telephone from the Republic 1513 717 104 or from the North 0901 6565 804.

Yours sincerely

Willie McCarter

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Anon

    No Lemass? Surprised.

  • Why would anyone want to vote for the likes of Hume and Paisley whose confrontational street politics set the mobs here at each other’s throats? Willie’s old enough to know better.

  • Blair

    Nevin,

    Exactly, and what possible good did Pearse and Connolly ever do?

  • Neil

    It’s alright Nev., Collins is on there, or Connolly.

    Bono though? Fucking Bono. 5.1 million pounds for wages and about 120k in actual charity money handed over. He’s probably outside my house now, pushing a bin liner through my letter box.

  • Alan Maskey

    John Hume was undoubtedly a good man. This cannot be said of any other Northern political leader.
    Let’s hope B chan do not get hold of this poll

  • Oracle

    Was Eamonn Mallie not nominated….. surprised by that

  • Greenflag

    LOL ,

    For bravery in the face of overwhelming odds

    Connolly and Collins

    For sheer intelligence and humanity

    Mary Robinson

    For moderation, foresight and tenacity

    John Hume

    For forgetting to tell his wife that Mr Gorbachev was coming to visit and then being told by her that a strange man with a spot on his forehead who had difficulty speaking english was at the door looking for something 😉

    Bono

    The greatest Briton (half American ) was of course deservedly Churchill . Charles Darwin came a credible fourth while Cromwell edged in at tenth place ( he did’nt get any of the Irish vote 😉

    It would not surprise me if Bono won simply on the basis that he’s not one of dem politicians .

  • The Pict

    ABBB

    Anyone But Bloody Bono
    Glasnevin’s Greatest Gobshite though!

  • Nordie Northsider

    They did right to arrange voting so that you can only vote for those named. Otherwise Dustin the Turkey would be in with a chance.

    What’s the odds that Rodney Connor disputes the results?

  • Dewi

    Whitaker usually wins these don’t he?

  • Driftwood

    Or Jack Charlton?

    Or the irish guy off the X Factor who used to manage Take That.

    Actually if they did a real poll Arkle would win.

  • Alias

    Given that Stephen Gately, Adi Roche, and Phil Lynott made the top ten in RTE’s list, it is safe to assume that populist nonsense generates populist nonsense.

    The actual 20th century choice is between James Joyce and Éamon de Valera.

  • pippakin

    There is only one Mary Robinson and none of the men mentioned get even close.

    Mná na hÉireann

  • Halfer

    I agree with you on James Joyce alais, although Im rooting for Irelands favourite scotch man James Connolly

  • Alias

    Well, I’d vote for Connolly out of that lot too, but not for his socialism – for his burning humanity.

  • Driftwood

    Hume is RTE’s token Nordie and was carefully chosen to avoid controversy.

    They could have chosen a real Irish hero like Field Marshal Montgomery of El Alamein, or Blair Mayne.

  • Alias

    Maybe the German’s will do a similiar poll and nominate the Queen.

  • Alias

    Chaim Herzog or Yitzhak HaLevi Herzog (also an Irish citizen) would also be on any genuine list

  • Rory Carr

    ……his burning humanity” which expressed itself in his revolutionary socialism.

  • lover not a fighter

    As I don’t believe that John Hume’s health is in a good enough position to run for the Irish presidency (which he would have won easily) then this could be a little consolation.

  • pippakin

    Anon

    I agree it is surprising, but I think Sean Lemass is often denied real recognition.

    Not that I would change my mind, still Mary Robinson by a mile.

  • Rory Carr

    If you are so keen to include Anglophile Irishmen, Driftwood, why not also William Joyce?

  • Driftwood

    I was trying to remember the Duke of Wellington’s retort on being born in Ireland, and relating it to Arkle, but anyway, Lord Haw Haw would fit alongside his fellow collaborator, Sir Roger Casement.

  • Rory Carr

    Pity that there is not a facility for a negative vote whereby we could all have our votes counted as taking away from any that Bono might receive from his fathead fans.

  • Alan Maskey

    I thought Ray Houghton was Ireland’s favourite Jock.

  • Alan Maskey

    But maybe Dustin the Turkey is Ireland’s greatest son.

  • joejoe

    Wolfetone should be in there. A C.O.I. man with something to lose who could have settled for a life of ascendancy, but wanted a better and fairer Ireland for ‘catholic protestant and dissenter’.

  • Blair

    joejoe,

    He also wanted to dismantle the Catholic church in Ireland, but that side of his ambitions tends to be ignored.

  • Alan Maskey

    Maynooth was onloy established in 1795, Blair. Though Tone had al lthe prejudices of Protestants, did he advocate a return to the Penal Laws or just of Robespierre’s way of dealing with Papishes?

  • Blair

    Alan,

    He wanted to ape the French revolutionaries. I doubt that fans of the Catholic church would have been worried about his motives though. If his revolution had been successful it is quite likely that he would have been decorating a tree himself shortly thereafter.

  • qwerty12345

    Driftwood – “Lord Haw Haw would fit alongside his fellow collaborator, Sir Roger Casement”

    Not to mention Fred Crawford CBE.UVF gun smuggler extraordinaire.

  • Alias

    Yes, Rory, a well-intentioned fool. Hence “but not for his socialism – for his burning humanity.”

  • Alias

    I think it’s only for 20th century folks?

  • Connolly is the only one who can easily fit into any of your
    For bravery in the face of overwhelming odds

    For sheer intelligence and humanity

    For moderation, foresight and tenacity

    and a Briton (Born in Glasgow)

  • lover not a fighter

    And that would have been a bad thing because ? ? ?

  • Blair

    Lover,

    I suspect that Catholics in Ireland may not have been all that keen on that particular section of Tone’s plans. Indeed I suspect that the ancestors of those who tramp out in the rain to celebrate the man would have been instrumental in lynching him.

  • Dewi

    strange Brian o’Driscoll ain’t in the mix…

  • Alan Maskey

    Or John Joe Reilly. Or Rosie McCann, from the Banks of the Bann. To say nothing of the bold Taedy Quill. Or Peig Sayers. Or Christy Ring.

  • Hume is undoubtedly one of the most wretched “Irishmen” who have ever lived. He sacrificed constitutional nationalism in order to assuage his ego, he brought unrepentant IRA killers into the Government of Northern Ireland. What a truly miserable creature.

  • Alan Maskey

    So waht do you thjink he should have done? Do you approve of his links with Raytheon? Does this redeeem him in any way to you?
    To be fair to Mr Hume, I don’t think he ever voted PSF.

  • lamhdearg

    Maybe it John lent his holiday home in spain out to some of those kids in west belfast it would stop them killing themselves and help him become irelands greatest non british person.

  • Tochais Síoraí

    So who’s your greatest Irishman then, David V?

  • lamhdearg

    irish person

  • pippakin

    lamhdearg

    That’s better, and it’s Mary Robinson.

  • Anon

    Vote for John Hume? Hmm, lets see I never voted for him when he was in front-line politics and I think I’d sooner gnaw through my own ankle than vote for him now, despite your exhortation.

  • latcheeco

    Himself, obviously.

  • I would say Chris De Burgh.

  • pippakin

    Well done John Hume.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Fair play to John Hume. Well deserved. Although another Derryman, Seamus Heaney, should have been in the mix.

  • lamhdearg

    David would you really put Chris De Burgh before Phil Lynott.

  • lamhdearg

    hume won best irish, goodnight

  • Blair

    Connaught,

    Strictly speaking Heaney comes from County Coleraine. And he’s a dick.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Blair,

    To be the only living member of the esteemed Irish literary tradition with Bernard Shaw, WB Yeats and Samuel Beckett to win the Nobel Prize in Literature means Heaney deserved to be listed. He doesn’t get the recognition or respect for his achievement in Ireland that he gets abroad.

    Many great men have been “dicks”. It doesn’t detract from their great achievements. I don’t agree he is anyway..

  • Mr Tayto gutted, apparently.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Token Nordie? Who else is there born and reared in Ulster apart from Seamus Heaney or Georgie Best that should have been nominated?

  • Alan Maskey

    How do you feel Gay Byrne feels? Or David Norris? Boy George? Emmet Stagg? Cathal O Searcaigh, Colm Toibin, MIchael D. Higgins.
    Let’s end these homohobic votes.

  • Blair

    Connaught,

    Only my humble opinion of course, but to be truly great and come from Northern Ireland you need to have a degree of impartiality. I’ve noted his poems about the evils of meeting a British Army checkpoint, or being offered British honours, but I’ve never seen his work on the slaughter inflicted by his neighbours McGlinchey and Hughes.

    That leads me to conclude that, despite his erudite description of his mother beating the washing, he is in fact a dick.

  • pippakin

    Blair

    Butting in I’m afraid, but I’m inclined to agree with you.

    Heaney has built a good part of his career waxing lyrical about the Brtis, whilst simultaneously taking advantage of any publicity etc that could possibly be extracted from the ‘relationship’.

    Divorce is not nice, especially when there’s no pre nup!

  • Gerard

    The series was sometimes interesting but was mostly sentimental. It have been better if if it spent more time detailing and discussing achievements, this results from the programme’s failure to define what is meant by ‘greatest’. Greatest for me has to be about demonstrable achievements both in Ireland and abroad; on this measure I think Hume strands out from the others.

    Another fault is with the series’ the narrow range of candidates’, i.e. almost entirely 20th Century figures included for their political roles. I would have included St Colm Cille, for being the foremost among the Celtic monks who were the first to give a meaning to an Irish nation and were a civilising influence on early medieval europe. Any suggestions for an artist, an engineer or an explorer?

  • Blair

    Pippakin,

    He’s never turned down the Shilling sfaik. The man has a skill alright, but I don’t see any Yeats in him.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Blair,

    I don’t think his poetry is in the same class as Yeats. He’s probably on a level with Kavanagh. But his achievement on the world stage as a native of Ireland is still worthy of the highest respect. Not many from this small island will ever achieve that in literature.

  • pippakin

    Blair

    i completely agree. Heaney is no Yeats. He is that all too common creature who knows what pays.

  • pippakin

    Republic of Connaught

    nonsense! You are talking about some of the most talented and lyrical people in the world! Heaney is of his time and he does not rise above it.

  • Republic of Connaught

    Pip,

    Only after he’s long dead will we know if Heaney’s poetry lasts the test of time.

  • pippakin

    Republic of Connaught

    True! but I think I can safely say that Heaney is no Van Gogh.

    I’m being unfair I know and I’m sorry.

  • dena

    Will you all get over yourselves the people have voted
    JOHN HUME IS THE GREATEST

  • Dixie Elliott

    Or Martin [UK City of Culture] and friend of the Torys McGuinness?

  • Alan Maskey

    “All” Hume did was decommission the psychos. In that sense, it is a negative sort of achievement.
    The proud sons of Erin have producfed many a strapping broth of a boy. James Joyce lists many of them in Ulysses. They include: Cuchulin, Conn of hundred battles, Niall of nine hostages, Brian of Kincora, the Ardri Malachi, Art MacMurragh, Shane O’Neill, Father John Murphy, Owen Roe, Patrick Sarsfield, Red Hugh O’Donnell, Red Jim MacDermott, Soggarth Eoghan O’Growney, Michael Dwyer, Francy Higgins, Henry Joy M’Cracken, Goliath, Horace Wheatley, Thomas Conneff, Peg Woffington, the Village Blacksmith, Captain Moonlight, Captain Boycott, Dante Alighieri, Christopher Columbus, S. Fursa, S. Brendan, Marshal Mac-Mahon, Charlemagne, Theobald Wolfe Tone, the Mother of the Maccabees, the Last of the Mohicans, the Rose of Castille, the Man for Galway, The Man that Broke the Bank at Monte Carlo, The Man in the Gap, The Woman Who Didn’t, Benjamin Franklin, Napoleon Bonaparte, John L. Sullivan, Cleopatra, Savourneen Deelish, Julius Caesar, Paracelsus, sir Thomas Lipton, William Tell, Michelangelo, Hayes, Muhammad, the Bride of Lammermoor, Peter the Hermit, Peter the Packer, Dark Rosaleen, Patrick W. Shakespeare, Brian Confucius, Murtagh Gutenberg, Patricio Velasquez, Captain Nemo, Tristan and Isolde, the first Prince of Wales, Thomas Cook and Son, the Bold Soldier Boy, Arrah na Pogue, Dick Turpin, Ludwig Beethoven, the Colleen Bawn, Waddler Healy, Angus the Culdee, Dolly Mount, Sidney Parade, Ben Howth, Valentine Greatrakes, Adam and Eve, Arthur Wellesley, Boss Croker, Herodotus, Jack the Giantkiller, Gautama Buddha, Lady Godiva, The Lily of Killarney, Balor of the Evil Eye, the Queen of Sheba, Acky Nagle, Joe Nagle, Alessandro Volta, Jeremiah O’Donovan Rossa, Don Philip O’Sullivan Beare

  • Watcher

    Hume is a great man and thoroughly deserving winner.

  • Rory Carr

    Alan Maskey,

    You left out the dancers: Debbie Reynolds; Ginger Rogers; Dan Dailey; Jimmy Cagney; Donald O’Connor; Gene Kelly and of course, last but not least…Fred O’Staire

  • Rory Carr

    “Seamus Heaney is no Van Gogh,” observes Pippakin with her usual degree of insight. Who’d ‘a’ thought it?

  • Rory Carr

    Not as gutted as failed blogger, David Vance I imagine.

  • dodrade

    A pretty poor list considering who they could have picked. Two terrorists (one of whom was Scottish), a hypocritical pop star with delusions of grandeur, and two politicians whose reputations are vastly greater than their actual achievements.

    That said, Hume was the best of a poor bunch, for good intentions if nothing else.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Why ?

  • pippakin

    Rory Carr

    I was reflecting on the difference between Sunflowers and Dandelions and lo and behold you appear.

    Dandelions get everywhere.

  • Alan Maskey

    Jimmy Cagney should certainly have made the list. A good Catholic, second best Holllywood dancer after Freddie and he loved his mother (look ma, I’m top of the world).

    Then there are the sportsmen: Ray Houghton, Roy Keane, Master McGrath, Cassius Clay, Jack and Maureen Lynch and, of course, the greatest Irishman of them all, Jesus H Christ.

  • pippakin

    dodrade

    I believe Mary Robinson is one of those rare politicians who would have been a great leader of any country or time.

    She fought for and won women’s rights in Ireland, dragged the Presidency into the twentieth century, and formally ‘met’ leaders of PIRA. She fought and won battles for the underdogs of Ireland and on leaving office went on to do the same for the UN.

    She did not win this vote. John Hume was as much made by the troubles as any other. Mary Robinson rose above them.

    Having said that: well done John Hume, and if I sound grudging, you’re right!

  • Alias

    RTE’s other telephone poll resulted in Dustin The Turkey being voted to represent Ireland at the Eurovision, so I guess we should be thankful that they edited Stephen Gately out of the top 5 in this poll or we’d end up with a dead dancer as Ireland’s greatest.

  • Rory Carr

    I’m sorry, Alan, but your list remains deficient. How on earth could you think of including Pater the Hermit and Peter the Packer and yet leave out the one Peter who, more than any other, helped Ireland (or a selfish portion of Ireland at least) attain a truncated form of nationhood? I refer, of course, to Peter the Painter.

  • Gabriel Mary Byrne

    Stephen Gately was leading the polls when it was first opened to the public. Then you could not vote for him or Brian Boru, or Daniel O’Connell. (Not enough archive footage of the latter two you see)