Former IRA volunteer – ‘outraged..by (PIRA) execution’ of Joe O’Connor.

You could file this under ‘too little, too late’?

Rusty recently provided a lengthy and detailed examination of the Provisionals’ execution of IRA Volunteer Joe O’Connor, this lead me to ask should former members/supporters of the provisional Republican Movement honestly examine this and other lies of the organisation they used to belong to before they moved on.

While I’m not a great fan of Mairtin og Meehan (sorry Mairtin) he puts it front and central with the address he gave at Joe O’Connor’s 10th anniversary commemoration:

On behalf of grassroots Provisional IRA Volunteers and Sinn Fein Activists, I apologise to the O’Connor & Notarantonio families for Joe’s political assassination. I make the apology as a former Provisional IRA Volunteer, former Sinn Fein member and Ex- Political Prisoner. I do so in the full confidence that the vast majority of Provisionals at that time were rightly outraged by such a callous execution carried out in their name! It was disgraceful and totally besmirched Irish Republicanism!

Is anyone still denying the Provos murdered O’Connor?

  • joeCanuck

    Thank you, Mark, for your final sentence. Assassination or execution doesn’t suffice.

  • Cynic

    Wasnt he shot in mistake when they actually planned to murder his colleague?

  • Mark McGregor

    You think?

    The seven bullets to the head were meant for someone else?

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    I have no idea if they murdered Mr O’Connor or not.
    I didnt care then.
    I dont care now.

  • Mark McGregor

    But you’ll do a (few) thousand words on not quite supporting current SF at the drop of hat, many hats.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Ah….MMG…….surely you are the one who does “not quite supporting” so much better than I do.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Mark,

    Good post.

    Very uncomfortable reading for SF supporters such as myself.

  • lamhdearg

    What do they call it “house cleaning” beasts

  • Carrickmoreman

    The question is: who cares? The 10 year anniveresary of the murder of a criminal, who used the name of the IRA as a way to make profits, is hardly something worthy worrying about. Now, the murder of his Unclue Francisco Notarantonio was an outrage.

  • lamhdearg

    carrick ok to murder your own?

  • Glad to see more space devoted to Joe O’Connor’s unjust killing Mark….

    Maybe it will help establish the truth behind Joe’s murder. Is imperative that an inquiry be held to clarify the circumstances of his death and determine the organisation responsible. Such an investigation would enable his family closure and afford Joe’s children some dignity.

    As for not being the biggest of my fans Mark? At least your’e honest….

  • I’d like to clarify that Jo-Jo O’Connor was never ‘convicted’ in any Court of committing any offence Carrickmoreman….

    Thus, where is the evidence for naming him a criminal? Have U any facts that he ‘used’ the IRA’s name for self-profits or are U speaking about an extremely loaded PSF member from West Belfast who has a considerable criminal history? Maybe your term is yet another smear against principled Republicans who refuse to tow the Party line!

    Was it not criminal and unrepublican to execute a Volunteer?

  • joeCanuck

    “Toe the line”, AR.

    Joe the pedant 😉

  • Cynic

    Who was with him before he was shot?

  • Dr Concitor

    a criminal, who used the name of the IRA as a way to make profits,
    Someone like Slab Murphy then? or does he still retain the tittle of “respected republican”

  • pippakin

    Another investigation? J O’Connor and his Uncle were not the only ones murdered by people taking advantage of their paramilitary status to terrorise their own community.

    Investigations should be held into each and everyone of them but it is, unlikely.

    As much as some of us dislike it, surely it is time to think of amnesty for those cases that do not involve sexual abuse of anyone or the physical abuse of children.

  • “an inquiry be held … Such an investigation…”

    AR – never thought I’d see you advocating people going to the PSNI and giving evidence.

  • Mike

    “I do so in the full confidence that the vast majority of Provisionals at that time were rightly outraged by such a callous execution carried out in their name! It was disgraceful and totally besmirched Irish Republicanism!”

    As opposed to all the other hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of callous “executions” (ie cold blooded murders) carried out by the PIRA??

  • aquifer

    In the long and disgraceful litany of callous murder maiming and deception wrought by violent irish separatists why should Mr O’Connor count for more than any other victim.

    Because he was one of our own sectarian gang?

    Because he could have been a cabinet minister in the IRA grand lotto political pyramid selling socialista scam?

    It couldda been me

    Oh really?

    3000 dead, not many ministers, it is after 9/11, go work out the odds and quit wasting young lives.

  • J Kelly

    Mark this a nonsense of a story Meehan in no way speaks for the grassroots. You whats interesting the so called real IRA recently killed a young derry man without trial or conviction and RNU expelled a prominent member of RNU in Derry for placing the flag on his coffin. Meehan talking on behalf of IRA volunteers or SF activists is a joke.

  • JJ Malloy

    What is the RNU again?

    Sorry, there are just too many abbreviations to keep up with. Splinter groups of splinter groups of splinter groups.

    But I’m sure one of them will “free” Ireland

  • Skintown Lad

    Mr Meehan, in what court would you suggest O’Connor could have been tried? One which neither you nor the O’Connor’s murderers would recognise, or the ones we hear are conducted shortly before someone is found tortured, shot dead and dumped on a country road?

    Your hypocrisy on this issue is deafening.

  • the pseudo-morals at work here.

    You have to wonder why they go to such lengths to legitimise the ‘correct’ bunch of murdering scumbags. I’m sure there’s a condition attached to that.

  • pippakin

    st etienne

    ” You have to wonder why they go to such lengths to legitimise the ‘correct’ bunch of murdering scumbags. I’m sure there’s a condition attached to that. ”

    I’m not sure it is as straight forward as you imply. It is important when apportioning blame, to remember that some of those giving the orders are said to have been employees of the British, that clouds both the ‘evidence’ and the guilt.

    In addition loyalist paramilitaries were, and allegedly still are every bit as bad as PIRA and again there is the issue of collusion.

  • Reader

    pippakin: I’m not sure it is as straight forward as you imply.
    This bit is straightforward: there is absolutely no group of people so attached to a steep hierarchy of victims as militant republicans.
    I would be more offended and less entertained if they could ever actually agree with each other.

  • pippakin

    Reader

    I am as opposed to community thuggery as anyone but it is important to bear in mind that as time goes on and more truth emerges there may be what may be described as extenuating circumstances.

    If it transpires that some of the people giving the orders were working for the ‘opposition’ and that is on either side, then surely it is right to ask where the blame should rightfully be directed.

    I’m absolutely opposed to the continuation of these ‘community groups’ they do more harm than good but historically the truth is not yet told and no one should rush to judgement, except of course in the case of sexual offences, child abuse and people like Mrs Jean McConville where no amount of collusion could ever warrant the murder of a widowed mother of ten.

  • I don’t think anyone of sane mind would attempt to define a difference between prod terrorists and republican ones.

    Collusion and so forth is a separate subject. Fact is without paramilitaries there would be no one to direct.

  • as time goes on and more truth emerges

    aye right enough like.

    I’m absolutely opposed to the continuation of these ‘community groups’ they do more harm than good

    You don’t say. Nice definition of ‘community groups’. I’m sure real community groups will appreciate being tarred with militant psychopaths.

  • pippakin

    st etienne

    Oh, well, in that case which came first the chicken or the egg.

  • pippakin

    st etienne

    Hello again.

    I think anyone with a working grey cell will know which ‘community group’s I referred to.

  • King Kai

    Always wondered how the pira had so much support after killing more catholics than anyone else. Does housekeeping not count?

  • old school

    The British police had called to his house an hour before he was killed, with some traffic summons. Joe was avoiding them as he had no money to pay them and was certain to go to jail.
    At his inquest it was stated he had some coins in his pocket, but nothing else.
    Slab Murphy he was not. Attempts by the Rafia to label anyone a “criminal” smacks of surrealism.
    Joe was a working class Volunteer. A world away from the landlord class who ordered his death.
    They may kill the Revolutionary, but never the Revolution.

  • Cynic

    The Revolution is dead. You fought the war and lost my friend

  • Brian

    Old School

    Are you a former volunteer? And did you know Joe well?

    Who would have ordered his death? WOuld it have come from local commander or the top?

  • Reader

    pippakin: If it transpires that some of the people giving the orders were working for the ‘opposition’ and that is on either side, then surely it is right to ask where the blame should rightfully be directed.
    Blame is individual – the people who did the murder are equally guilty no matter who was giving the orders.
    Likewise, the people giving the orders were equally guilty no matter who they were working for. Though so far as I understand they are still Provos in good standing.
    Or were you only concerned with corporate responsibility? Then you’re ready for the Chuckie flame war – and welcome to it.

  • Big Maggie

    ArdEoin Republican,

    “Is imperative that an inquiry be held to clarify the circumstances of his death and determine the organisation responsible.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by this. Inquiries are only mounted when the murder suspects are government agents or the armed forces. The Bloody Sunday inquiry is good example.

    If you mean a police investigation, could I suggest that it’s a little late in the day for that? We’re talking about a murder that took place 10 years ago. It’s practically a “cold case” by now. Added to that, Mr O’Connor’s passing didn’t exactly retard the progress of human achievement. Sorry, but better and more important people have been murdered since October 2000.

  • Alias

    It’s obvious what he means by it: an inquiry by some kangaroo tribunal consisting of other murder gang members who would all reach the conclusion that they were shocked by members of murder gangs murdering other members of murder gangs when they should confine the franchise to murdering non-members. The rival murder gang, PSF, might be suitably chastened and his particular murder gang might look holier-than-thou. Honour among vicious sectarian murderers and all that…

    The family is, according to him, only entitled to truth but rather obviously not to justice as justice makes things difficult for members of murder gangs and we can’t have that, can we?

  • pippakin

    Reader

    I’m, reluctantly, in favour of amnesty for most of the atrocities committed during the troubles.

    I’m also inclined to think that most of the ‘operatives’ of the paramilitary groups were, possibly still are, completely indoctrinated into believing whatever those as the top of dung heap told them. In addition it was not in their interest to disobey an order given by the commanders.

    The most important thing is: it may be possible to find the person who pulled the trigger it is very unlikely they will ‘find’ the one who loaded the gun and gave the order, that means some poor fool who was told and fully believed he was doing the right thing, carries the can for the entire crime.

    It may be the above does not apply to the O’Connor case but it applies to some.

    If they are going to make an example, I don’t want the monkey on trial, I want the organ grinder.

  • HeinzGuderian

    pathetic 🙁

  • HeinzGuderian

    What are we to make of organisations that kill people, cover it up, don’t admit to it for decades then appeal for information about it?

    You really, really could not make this up.

    Absolute laughing stock.

    What sort of imbecile can’t see through this hypocrisy?

  • HeinzGuderian

    pip…….pathetic……

    What are we to make of organisations that kill people, cover it up, don’t admit to it for decades then appeal for information about it?

    You really, really could not make this up.

    Absolute laughing stock.

    What sort of imbecile can’t see through this hypocrisy?

  • pippakin

    HeinzGuderian

    I’m not sure what you are getting at. Are you calling me a hypocrite? or denying people the right to change their mind? Not sure, but I am sure that it is not pathetic to look at these old cases and find what in them can be of help to peace in the future.

    You are entitled to your opinion and that’s fine but have the grace to treat a serious subject seriously.

  • John, could U point out to me where and when I advocated people giving evidence to the PSNI in relation to the killing of Vol. Joe O’Connor?

  • Maggie, my proposal is for an independant investigation and/or inquiry be held into the reasons behind Jo-Jo’s killing……

    Such an inquiry could be held within West Belfast chaired by someone independant…..with possibly senior members of that particular community on the panel etc..There are precedants for this type of community investigation….

    All the family desire are the facts, why an armed group chose to assasinate O’Connor rather than wound him? The family have also stated that they do not want the identies of those responsible being made public…..

    I strongly believe that Joe’s three children have every right to know why their father was shot dead and which organisation carried it out.

  • redhugh78

    Aye hold on a minute,
    sure lets form a committee, we will call it ‘Justice for Joe’,
    you can have any position on it Martin except treasurer.

  • Brian

    “What are we to make of organisations that kill people, cover it up, don’t admit to it for decades then appeal for information about it?”

    You mean like the British Army?

  • Red Hugh, your flippancy about holding an inquiry into the execution of Vol. Joe O’Connor is nothing short of a joke.

    Either does his family have the right to the truth or not?

    That’s what’s important here, please don’t be hypocritc because I’ve no doubt you cheered when U read the Bloody Sunday report and witnessed the relief on the victims’ relatives faces?

    But now attempt to smear someone who calls for justice for another victim who was not only killed but whose entire integrity was also villified by supporters of those who carried out the killing…..Life is so cheap, isn’t it?