Bonfire did not wipe Council’s eye after all…

Further to Mark’s post, ‘Belfast bonfire builders wipe Council’s eye’, Belfast City Council have been in touch and have offered us this statement to clarify that the bonfire he mentioned on Friday was not part of their bonfire management scheme:

Despite attempts by council officers to engage with those responsible for the bonfire at the City Hospital, the organisers indicated, at an early stage, that they did not want to be involved in the council’s bonfire management scheme, but would rather ‘do their own thing’.

Therefore, this bonfire was not eligible for Peace III funding and has not received any public money – nor will it do so.

The council nevertheless will continue to work with those communities who wish to work with us in order to ensure that bonfires in the city are managed safely and with minimum impact to the environment and wider community.

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  • slappymcgroundout

    Mick, do they throw rocks at the full moon? Some strange people there in NI. I don’t wish to dehumanize them, but I’m having visions of Neandertals here. Cave paintings in France would seem to be a step up in class.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Mick, would commentators on here not need to verify their posts before publishing them on Slugger? There have been quite a few inaccurate posts lately that do not stand up to the most basic investigation, or that have inaccurate headlines.

  • TheHorse

    Does it matter whether it got funding or not, it is on hospital property and is illegal and dangerous, it should have been removed by the council and the police.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    I have to agree.
    Can anything actually be posted without being “stood up”.
    Does it not reflect badly on the Slugger brand?
    Will the thread be withdrawn or at least “Closed” for further comment and at Editors note stating that it was inaccurate.
    While I would not go so far as Drumlins Rock in saying that there have been quite a few inaccurate posts lately…..it appears that some at least have had dybious accuracy and seem to reflect wishful thinking by people rather than a solid story.
    And of course this kinda obvious inaccuracy ……and thankfully we only know about it due to the vigilance of the City Hall …much derided by journalists.
    So frankly the author of this inaccurate piece…..who is the author of “questionable” pieces has opened himself (and Slugger) to the ridicule which will no doubt attend any new post.
    Deeply disappointing for anyone who values journalistic integrity and I thank you for posting this correction.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Oh as Ive made clear in several posts I have no time for the squalid sectarian and quasi fascist nature of the Twelfth. But alas Accuracy is important……and this kind of inaccuracy does no useful service.
    “Black” propaganda?
    Does it matter?
    I think it does.

  • TheHorse

    fitzjameshorse1745 the point that it was being considered for funding at all is just as relevant as if it actually got funding.

  • Mick Fealty

    Look guys, before people get carried away, Mark sourced the story in good faith from the Irish News. I put that right of reply up within minutes of picking it up and linked back to the original. I am sure when Mark sees it, he will do the right thing and point back to the correction.

    What can I say. When the evidence changes, so do we! Unlike Fitzy, who prefers not to read the evidence if it contravenes his own sincerely held beliefs…

    Rock on FJH!!

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    The Horse (no relation……lol)
    Oh I agree that this nonsense should not be funded as a “festival”. That is “a” point……..but not in this case “the” point” which is our legitimate expectation that we can believe what we read on award winning blog sites.
    This nonsense where bonfires are glorified by the Overclass as “culture” and “murals” celebrated as “art” and having money thrown at them …..literally money to burn……should stop.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Im not sure how evidence can “change”.
    Interesting concept though.
    And Fealtytyty even at my age I DO rock……but obviously very gently.

  • Mick Fealty

    As yer man Keynes once said: “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”

  • Of course uncertain evidence can change. If not in the expected mean, at least in our estimate of its certainty.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Milton Keynes….great man……great man.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    By the way why am I getting emails from Brian Walker?
    I thought my email was “private”.

  • Mick Fealty

    I think there is a confusion around the new update email…

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    I havent a clue what you mean……..Obviously this is not something to be discussed here but I have already sent you an email about 36 hours ago. Can you reply to it and if necessary delete my recent comment.?

  • Oracle

    Valid ….. very very valid point

  • Cynic

    Really? Removed using what powers?

    If its on the Trust’s land it is a matter for the Trust.

    Alternatively we could give the police powers to remove it …..and all the other illegal memorials erected without permission. Sauce for the goose …….

  • Cynic

    And who are you to determine what are and aren’t valid elements in someone else’s culture?

  • TheHorse

    Why I forgot about that, its not on public property its on the trusts land – and who owns the trust and pays their wages or do the people who live in the village area own it. Is that the illegal memorial in that loyalist area in Bangor if I remember correctly that got funding from the housing executive to build it.

  • belfast greyhound

    So far as the Council statement is concerned when I read it I just think about how it would appear in Private Eye, ending with – ‘So that’s all right then.’

  • Cynic

    The Trusts land is private land so I assume the police have no powers. It’s the Trust’s responsibility.

    But if you are keen for the police to do it are you also keen that they remove the illegal Republican memorials erected without permission? Or was that just another sectarian post?

  • Cynic

    So what do you want them to do and where does their authority to do it come from?

  • DK

    Classic tabloid journalism – publish a story to rile up the masses, and then publish a retraction when it gets quiet. Or is it a genuine cock-up?

  • Cynic

    Desperation methinks….when its the Prods involved any allegation will do

  • TheHorse

    The land is owned by the government and the trust are paid by the government therefore in reality its public property. By the way are you actually trying to justify a dangerous bonfire that the organisers of refused to stick to council guidlines wanting to make it bigger with paramilitary flags adorning, on hospital property ? And if any monuments, bonfires, flags etc are built or put up without planning permission then yes they should be removed. How you use the sectarian label to challenge my opinion about this and other bonfires that destroy public and private property is laughable.

  • RepublicanStones

    Well if they’d rather do their own thing, does that extend to cleaning it up as well?

  • HeartoftheEmpire

    I foolishly responded to Mark McGregor’s ‘revelation’ last Friday about a ‘large UDA flag proudly fluttering’ on the Donegall Road and his promise: ‘I’ll FoI BCC tomorrow for the funding criteria they aren’t publishing at present and the total/individual grants’.

    I gave the following advice: ‘ Why doesn’t Mark buy a nice bottle of red and sit in and watch Big Brother instead of driving around Belfast spying on children at bonfires?’

    Some five days later Mick has to admit on M McG’s behalf that this was a seriously inaccurate report; a report that he could/should have checked out the facts beforehand with BCC/ Councillor Bob Stoker instead of taking his lead from a newspaper that at times I find it hard to believe the very football results.

    Lets not forget that this was written at an extremely sensitive time in the Donegall Road/Broadway area which had witnessed wide scale rioting by Republican dissidents and their criminal allies – and subsequently, the horrendous scenes of a car ploughing into families attending the bonfire on the 11th night – so we are not getting carried away Mick!

    As someone who is a recent adherent to Slugger, I find this type of gutter, lazy journalism both dangerous and offensive. The least we can expect from Mark McG is an apology to those people like myself who took the bait. Or better still, just forget about – I’m going back to Facebook – I would rather waste my time there……

  • redhugh78

    Lazy Journalism….again.

  • Big Maggie

    Cynic et al,

    Excuse me but are you by any chance trying to defend a fucking bonfire beside a hospital? Are you out of your tiny minds?

    I don’t wish ill on anybody but hope that one day you’ll be on a hospital ward, very vulnerable and nervous — and some mouth-breather and his chums will light a giant bonfire outside of your window and turn your night into a living hell.

    I mentioned Calcutta in a related thread. You guys belong in Yemen or worse.

  • belfast greyhound

    Big Maggie – Good point Well brought out.
    The real question here is not whether or not there should be a bonfire BUT should it be where it was AND who can be held responsible if something goes wrong as an unintended consequence.
    Is any one really suggesting that this is a good site for a bonfire?