Second night of rioting in west Belfast

Five police officers have been injured during a second night of disturbances in west Belfast.  On Friday night police were attacked by rival crowds throwing bricks, bottles and petrol bombs in the Broadway area.  Last night police were attacked in the same area by a crowd of about 100 people.

Stones, fireworks, paint and petrol bombs were thrown and a number of Land Rovers were attacked by men using sign posts, masonry and in one case an axe.

The officers suffered head and body injuries after being hit with missiles while one was hit with an iron bar.

A number of gas cylinders were also thrown into the road and a car was set alight during the disturbances.

Police closed the Stockman’s Lane off-slip and the Westlink at Clifton Street at about 2340 BST due to the danger of thrown items landing on the carriageway or striking passing vehicles.

Update According to the updated BBC report

“The violence that we saw last night was orchestrated,” Chief Inspector Emma Mooney said.

She said a police search before the main trouble started found a stash of heavy masonry, empty bottles with rags, paint and other items such as golf clubs and heavy iron bars.

She said she “firmly believed” these were to be used against police officers.

“We very much believe that that preparation obviously shows a degree of orchestration, but as to who is actually behind it we haven’t as yet been able to determine that,” she said.

And there’s this

Sinn Fein’s Briege Brownley said: “Last night some people in the area claimed they were down protecting the community basically against what they saw as a loyalist threat.

“Unfortunately this culminated then in criminal behaviour, which resulted in Kentucky Fried Chicken being damaged, cars being burnt and residents being abused.

“So what might have started off with noble intent ended up basically criminals gathering here from Divis, Ballymurphy and different places.”

Adds UTV notes further, brief, disturbances on Sunday night

Large bricks and bottles were thrown at police by a crowd of around 100 youths just after 11pm at the nationalist end of the Donegall Road.

However, the trouble lasted less than 30 minutes.

Further Update  According to the latest BBC report

Two men treated in hospital following Saturday night’s disturbances in west Belfast are believed to have been hit by police baton rounds.

Police said their wounds “were consistent with being struck” by baton rounds.

One person remains in hospital where his condition is described as stable.

Interestingly an earlier version of that latest BBC report referenced this Relatives for Justice statement, claiming that one of those being treated was “a 16 year old from the Clonard area”, but that reference has now been edited out.

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  • lamhdearg

    Summer here and the time is right for dancing in the street, This also could be applyed to the “hood photo”, Pete do you wright the bbc n.i. online news as your post and there story seem quite alike?

  • Pete Baker

    Update According to the updated BBC report

    “The violence that we saw last night was orchestrated,” Chief Inspector Emma Mooney said.

    She said a police search before the main trouble started found a stash of heavy masonry, empty bottles with rags, paint and other items such as golf clubs and heavy iron bars.

    She said she “firmly believed” these were to be used against police officers.

    “We very much believe that that preparation obviously shows a degree of orchestration, but as to who is actually behind it we haven’t as yet been able to determine that,” she said.

    And there’s this

    Sinn Fein’s Briege Brownley said: “Last night some people in the area claimed they were down protecting the community basically against what they saw as a loyalist threat.

    “Unfortunately this culminated then in criminal behaviour, which resulted in Kentucky Fried Chicken being damaged, cars being burnt and residents being abused.

    “So what might have started off with noble intent ended up basically criminals gathering here from Divis, Ballymurphy and different places.”

  • TheHorse

    A bit of a contradiction from the political representitives on both sides but sure dont let a bit of point scoring get in the way of the truth. There is an on-going anti social problem with youths travelling from other areas to gather in the bog meadows where they create havoc for residents in the area with their drunken antics. Check out the last load of editions of the Anderstown News letters and texts pages for proof. Usually its keeping the residents up to all hours with loud noise or fighting between each other or joyriding in stolen cars to all hours up and down Donegal Road where they then burn them, they seem to have a free hand from the Police to do as they like as anyone who regularly commutes up and down that road would know. But now we have young people from the opposite side of the divide gathering at the corner of Glenmackin St supposedly guarding bonfire wood but in reality just as drunk and venturing over to the other side of the road to KFC where unsuspecting customers are then attacked with any sort of weapon they have or can get their hands on. This can also be varified by just asking the workers of KFC on the Donegal Road, also anyone who lives around the areas of Donegal Road, Broadway, St James, this has become an annual event at this spot during the run up to the 12 july its become traditional now, maybe its time to reacess the location of these annual bonfires at interface areas.

  • wild turkey

    yo red hand

    your point being……….?

    when martha and the vandellas were in the charts with dancin in the streets, i was 14/15, we all boogied to it… but didn’t let loose with a second hand hardware store in the process. and yes, in 68 the stones on beggars banquet ripped off martha with their song street fightin man. generally agreed to be a piss poor of an old chuck berry riff turned into a whiteboys excuse for some political handjobbery

    but then again, blacks in 60s america were never oppressed and under threat as the 2010 guardians of the broadway roundabout

    PB has posted a report on a real event

    deal with it

    happy fourth of july

  • GavBelfast

    And how many arrests exactly?

  • What else are healthy young people to do on a summer Saturday. Actually I thought the best version of ‘Dancing in the Street’ was David Bowie/MIck Jagger for Live Aid. Good fun all round and no one died, unless you count the starving.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Water canon anyone?

  • I know this ought to be taken seriously (and much of me does), but only in Northern Ireland could one get away with:

    this culminated then in criminal behaviour, which resulted in Kentucky Fried Chicken being damaged.

    At least we have on record what “Colonel” (just honorary, of course) Harlan Sanders, the guid Presb’teerian lad, would have said:

    That friggin’ … outfit …. They prostituted every goddamn thing I had. I had the greatest gravy in the world and those sons of bitches– they dragged it out and extended it and watered it down that I’m so goddamn mad!

  • Donald Fraser

    Ghastly verminous filth continue to behave like ghastly verminous filth. Quelle surprise? The sooner the cops get to grips with these animals the better (if I hear one more radio ad starring the head of Traffic Branch threatening apocalyptic penal sanction against anyone breaking the speed limit “even by just a few miles an hour” I’ll scream. The general public aren’t interested in this guff – they want to see cops chasing (and preferably battering) burglars, rioters, paramilitaries etc) though a few more spills like this wouldn’t go amiss in neutering these oxygen thieves –

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10442017.stm

  • Driftwood

    If Nelson Valdez’s goal, and it was a goal ,had stood. And Paraguay progressed to the semis, I very much doubt the trouble would have occured. It must have been distressing though, for those decent citizens heading to KFC for a ‘bargain bucket’ to have witnessed such despairing scenes.
    I’m sure ‘Chief Inspector’ -Ha! Emma Mooney is deeply traumatised, rather than her rabbit in headlights appearance on TV tonight. Fabio Capello would have done better.

  • lamhdearg

    There is no money (fines) is taking on burglars as they are in the main unemployed, rioters whom are in the main kids, and as for paramilitaries they run this place from stormont, No the police are tax collectors for the gov and only lawfull working people are in their sights.

  • Michael

    That reminds me of sitting in a work mate’s car a few weeks back, he was doing almost 70 in a 40 zone, he knew it was a 40 zone as we pass it every day and I frequently point it out to him, along with the school bus stops either side.

    Sure enough he got clocked by the radar gun, and cried to me that cops should be out catching criminals instead of harrasing motorists.

    I didn’t have the heart to point out to him that more people died in traffic accidents every year for the last 40 than were killed because of the troubles.

  • ISMw

    Check Michaels response below to see where the water cannon should have been aimed.

    The sort of mini riot thats been going on for the last couple of days is the crap these kids grew up on.

  • lamhdearg

    Michael your workmate was ripping the arse out of it, hope you wont except a lift from him again.

  • Critical Alien

    “String-em-uppery” aside, is there an issue here concerning the operational deployment of helicopters for several nights, despite which the disorder continues? The noise is pretty inescapable over much of south Belfast, and the cost must be incredibly high. Surveillance a-plenty is surely available from the banks of CCTV around the place. Am I being hopelessly naive?

    This just seems ridiculous. If the police can’t or won’t lift anyone, isn’t there also the implication of a failure of representation? Maybe arrests would be seen as inflammatory, but in that case it’s over to local representatives (whatever that may mean).

  • TheHorse

    More like the Spartans and the Helots, like I said its become traditional it happens at no other time and the criminal damage was caused KFC was carried out by both sides in the trouble. If you’re going to get all lightheaded about the statement from the local Sinn Fein representative at least she acknowledges criminal behaviour unlike the silence from Unionism to the annual legal criminal damage to council, public and private property not to mention environmental caused by these bonfires.

  • iluvni

    Dont worry, MInister Ford will bring forward proposals to sort it.
    10 years minimum sentence for rioters would be a start.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Drifters,

    re.football. Jammy, jammy Uruguayans putting out the brave Ghanaians – still cant be too hard on them as they did supply my favourite linesman- what a star.

  • Mrazik

    Yes, Fabio would have sent in Heskey to er…

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Im a bit surprised that the Area Commander for West Belfast is a Chief Inspector. Surely thats a Supt rank job.

    Full backing to the PSNI obviously but while the headlines in police reform was “Religion” the PSNI also went out of its way to combat sexism, canteen culture and turn itself into one of the most politically correct police services in the world.
    Basically this is the reason that dissident scum have never really been able to undermine the PSNI.
    But I wonder if a 33 year old Chief Inspector in charge of West Belfast is the answer at this stage of our “journey”.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Mrazik,

    yes good thinking a 4-4-2 formation with Heskey and Rooney leading the assault would surely do the trick.

  • lamhdearg

    Is hating the English racist or sectarian.

  • TheHorse

    “Basically this is the reason that dissident scum have never really been able to undermine the PSNI”.

    Yes forget about the evidence and believe what the powers that be want you to believe. Theres a bit of opportunism going on and its got nothing to do with dissidents, more like political point scoring, pointing the finger of blame against a common adversary. If they want to sort the problem out then look at the causes rather than creating distraction otherwise the problem is not solved.

  • Alias

    Two foes united by a common enemy, eh? Dissidents are the new Taigs. 😉

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    lamhdearg,

    Hating the English is racist though not sectarian, wanting their football team to lose or not wanting their government or military to interfere in your country is not.

    As soon as they leave – I’ll be cheering for their team. Fair deal or what?

  • Colin Carberry

    Who could care less, Baker; find something real to write about. Or better still, get a good psychiatrist who can wean you off your anti-Republican and anti-Irish bigotry. One Better: stop writing; you’re beyond boring.

  • Drumlin Rock

    Sammy, Can we keep the Scottish, Welsh, Royal Irish & Gurka regiments?

  • Pete Baker

    Colin

    I think you’re confusing what you have imagined are my opinions with the opinions of the individuals quoted in the original post.

    Perhaps including those of the SF councillor

    “So what might have started off with noble intent ended up basically criminals gathering here from Divis, Ballymurphy and different places.”

  • TheHorse

    Yes Alias I suppose so, but whats going to happen on the 11th and 12th who are they going to point the finger at when the fire service, ambulance service, police service will be overstreched to the limit contending with dangerous bonfires, accidents, violence and road closures, local councils having to pick up the tab for the cleanup operations and damages caused by this annual event. When politicians can turn a blind eye to mayhem and distruction annually then point the finger at others claiming organised criminality is laughable.

  • Drumlin Rock

    You mean the riots wernt real Colin? Peter shame on you for making it all up, you should ring the BBC immediately and put them straight.
    PS has PB already removed the “anti-Irish Bigotry” from the post and I cant see any in it.

  • TheHorse

    Some people like to have their bread buttered on both sides its more like an attempt to ride two horses. Proof if proof was needed that it was youngsters on a rampage.

  • Pete Baker

    Horse

    The point of quoting the SF councillor was to highlight the contradiction within those comments.

    A “noble intent ended up basically criminals gathering here from Divis, Ballymurphy and different places”?

  • Pete Baker

    Indeed.

  • lamhdearg

    bbc news 00.05 5/7/10 all quite on the western front.

  • Driftwood

    Obviously Emma Mooney got promoted through ‘the system’ which has to put wee girls in a position where Pike Bishop or Deke Thornton were needed. maybe even Derek Wilford. But we got Beatrix Potter instead, for PC reasons.

    And we will continue to get pathetic wee girl media studies graduates instead of McChrystals until the situation becomes critical. And after the gaggle of ‘community activists’ lose their golden goose eggs, someone serious will have to take charge, the PSNI are a joke.

  • wild turkey

    pip

    with respect, and some affection

    in the words of one of main men, John Patrick McEnroe

    You cannot be serious

    Oiche M’haith

  • TheHorse

    Well thats democracy and political policing for you, better to win the hearts and minds war than using machiavellian tactics against adolescent schoolchildren. Instead of continiously focussing on the effect why dont people start focussing on the cause.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    DR,

    Can we keep the Scottish, Welsh, Royal Irish & Gurka regiments?

    If they come under Irish army control I’m sure that is something we could look at.

  • fitzjameshorse1745

    Well a few points….I hadnt worked out that 33 yr old Chief Inspector Emma Mooney is…..a……woman……and the name is a bit ya know Catholicy sounding….so like you infer its political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaad.

    Remember how successful Jamie Flanagan and Jack Hermon were.
    Yes…….quite.

  • Hello WT

    No, not serious.

  • karlopolo

    “I think you’re confusing what you have imagined are my opinions with the opinions of the individuals quoted in the original post.”

    followed by

    “The point of quoting the SF councillor was to highlight the contradiction within those comments.”

    So, is this your opinion or is it not?

  • Big Maggie

    Can anybody give me a sane and commonsense reason for these bonfires? Seriously. If they weren’t there would there be rioting?

    Do they serve any useful purpose to society, do they advance the cause of civilization?

  • billy

    Maggie, they provide work for…ahem…’community workers’.

  • HeinzGuderian

    Heat. Gets rid of a lot of rubbish accumulated throughout the year. Burns a few sectarian flags from that foreign country to the South. A few effigies of the Arch paedophile are also consumed in the flames,and last,but by no means least…………..it’s a bloody good excuse for a piss up,with an even better excuse for a cure the next day !! Simples ‘tch’ 🙂

  • TheHorse

    Why should the rest of society have to tolerate this annual orgy of distruction to public and private property. How much does the clean up and repairs cost each year, the laughable bit is councils giving grants to provide the organisers with money to fuel the fires of hatred. Common sense and respect for the law doesn’t seem to cross the minds of some of the local politicians who annually take a blind eye approach to the location of these bonfires never mind the environmental damage they cause.

  • Should the PSNI-Police be doing more to catch Rioters ? Vote Now ! http://twtpoll.com/2v4qwa

  • sam

    Perhaps when the police have recruited enough female, gay, black, catholic, bald midgets we might get a service that can fight crime.

  • Pete Baker

    Adds UTV notes further, brief, disturbances on Sunday night

    Large bricks and bottles were thrown at police by a crowd of around 100 youths just after 11pm at the nationalist end of the Donegall Road.

    However, the trouble lasted less than 30 minutes.

  • billy

    That’s right, Heinz, it’s a ‘cultural’ ritual to be proud of, eh?

    sectarian twat

  • Big Maggie

    Hey Sam, you left out Muslim paedophiles :^)

  • Rory Carr

    Large bricks and bottles were thrown …”

    Maybe, if they had thrown smaller bricks, they might have conserved enough energy to last a full hour.

  • Big Maggie

    LOL!

  • barnshee

    Time for another wall

  • Pete Baker

    Further Update According to the latest BBC report

    Two men treated in hospital following Saturday night’s disturbances in west Belfast are believed to have been hit by police baton rounds.

    Police said their wounds “were consistent with being struck” by baton rounds.

    One person remains in hospital where his condition is described as stable.

    Interestingly an earlier version of that latest BBC report referenced this Relatives for Justice statement, claiming that one of those being treated was “a 16 year old from the Clonard area”, but that reference has now been edited out.

  • [Adams] added: “There were also, according to local people, others purporting to come from these so-called dissident groups who were clearly seeking to encourage the young people particularly.”

    This looks like a tactic that Adams himself would have been familiar with.

  • Orange Halls have also come under attack.

  • Mickles

    All this because KFC stopped doin the salsa wrap-star? Just get a buffalo twister it’s kinda the same thing, you wee broadway rats.

    We need more peacewalls built AROUND these areas, not between them. Preferably one with no gate.

  • Mickles

    wondered how long it’d be before the whataboutery starts. Orange hall attacks are a different issue and not really related to this story. But you go on and dig your oar in, if it makes you feel better.

  • Lidl Richard

    Is there an English race though?

  • Colin Carberry

    I’ve read enough of your posts to know you’re anti everything Sinn Fein. That much is very clear. You’re entitled to your opinion, but I would welcome a little bit of objectivity. What about the meeting last week between Gerry Adams and the widow of a loyalist activist who tried to keep peace in interface areas? Hundreds of loyalists welcomed him into their area, and commended Adams for his conciliatory gesture. That’s not newsworthy? Or the fact that hundreds of diehard West Belfast loyalists actually voted for Adams last time around: is that not worthy of analysis? Nobody is saying Gerry Adams or his friends were boy scouts, but neither were the loyalists, the RUC, UDR, or the various British undercover units, and I don’t hear very much from you on their misdeeds. Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion, but a little objectivity would gain you some respect from all quarters, not just Irish nationalism.

  • Colin Carberry

    I do think that Peter Baker is a bigot. That’s my opinion. Gonna censor me for it? Would he be so eager to blog about some faceless Catholic had been beaten to death by a gang of bigots? That’s my beef with his posts–there’s no objectivity. And there’s no need to be a smart-ass (will that be censored too?): I never suggested a riot didn’t take place…A riot in Belfast? Wow, now there’s something that’s never happened before.