Some families ask Cowen to help with prosecutions

Interesting snippet from Breaking News which states:

Members of the McKinney, Duddy, Nash and Young families held talks with Brian Cowen in Dublin this evening – when they presented him with an original copy of the Saville report, which was published yesterday.

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  • smicks

    Time for Unionists to get organised in demanding a new inquiry into the involvement of the government of the Republic of Ireland in funding, arming, and sheltering the PIRA.

  • misdirect

    Orders: keep repeating 7*7 ‘Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun, Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun, Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun, Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun, Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun, Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun, Martin never had a gun let alone fired a gun’

  • Henry94

    Why do Unionists only ever demand an Inquiry as a reaction to something nationalists. What happened to the campaign for an Inquiry into Claudy? It looked like a good case and Sinn Fein even came out in support and then….nothing.

    It took years of hard work and determination to get the Bloody Sunday Inquiry. Are you going to set up a website, write to everybody, put a case together? Or is this just a reaction to the idea that people might exercise their legal rights?

    If it’s more than just the jujuzela of whataboutwhataboutwhatabout again then come back to us with the details. I’ll support you as it is a matter of genuine interest. Of course Haughey, Blaney and Boland who would be the main suspects are dead. So is Jack Lynch who could possibly have had some information. So the first question is who do you see as witnesses to this Inquiry? Or have you got that far yet?

  • fin

    smicks, I don’t think any nationalist or republican would have an issue with that, in fact, as a republican I’d like to see it. However, as with BS, when Davey tried to put it into context by referring to the shooting of two RUC officers the previous day and the violence already happening at the time, that inquiry into the Irish Govts assistance to the IRA will also have to be framed in the context of what was happening at the time, I would imagine the Irish Govt would claim their assistance was to help protect nationalists from the pogroms etc that were in process at the time, they would probably use the Doc’s speeches of the time as evidence that nationalists were in danger. It would be a very interesting inquiry indeed.

    With regards to the actual post, despite others thinking Saville is a positive healing thing, as I said previously Daveys statement was detached, the dead, and the families who have now met with Cowen are British citizens, yet Davey did not approach this as been their Primeminister, and now they’ve gone south looking for help.

  • Henry94

    Political parties have an obligation to move on after Saville but that has nothing to do with the families. Their right to seek justice as they see it can’t be set aside so the rest of us can move on.

    If even one of them decides to take a legal action against the perpetrators then they have every entitlement to do so. That goes for any victim on any side. If and when they get to court then the only thing that counts is evidence.

  • bigchiefally

    I dont want anymore enquiries. We should have had a proper, all out in the open or “you serve your full jail term” / “could be prosecuted in the future” truth commission at the times of the GFA. Everyone who co-operated state, loyalist and republican had the past displayed to all and got immunity from everything.

    I dont know if anything like this was suggested and if so I dont know who said no to it.

    Regardless we didnt and instead went down the “lets ignore the past and try and forget about it route”. Having done this I think setting up selective enquiries and prosecuting some whilst many go free is unfair and not sensible.

    I have heard the argument , mainly from republicans but it also applies to loyalists, that “We were investigated, prosecuted and served time, the state agents who committed crimes never had to face justice, it is time they did.” For me this argument only makes sense if all republican and loyalist terrorists were a) caught and b) served the full sentence. I dont think either is true. So whilst I sympathise with the families our societies’ need for fairness and moving on must come ahead of the families valid claims for justice. This is harsh but is just as it was for the families of those killed by people let out under the GFA.

  • midulsterunionist

    I thought they only wanted the truth? Now they’ve got truth they want convictions…. next it will be compensation… then what?

    Will the BS families be demanding that everyone who took part illegally in the protest march be arrested 38 years for a breach of the peace and for taking part in an illegal parade? What about demanding that those rioting be arrested or what about Marty McG carrying an illegal weapon… will they be calling for those arrests as well? or is it only the brits they don’t like?

  • Johnny Boy

    Is there any realistic hope of Bloody Sunday convictions, indeed is the Historic Enquiry Team likely to acheive justice for paramilitary victims? Is it realistic to expect an enquiry into every incident during the troubles deemed unresolved? A truth commision to bring everything into the open is the best option for truth, if not justice.

  • Johnny Boy

    I thiink at the time of the GFA, the damage of the uncomfotable truths comming out of any truth commision type enquiry would have hindered ongoing political progress. I feel the time is right now; the victims of the troubles can not be left behind any more.

  • bigchiefally

    Johnny, you may be correct but for a truth commission to work you need to have carrot and a stick. We pretty much gave the carrot away and broke the stick in the GFA.

    Very few people are liable for prosecution anymore, so what incentive is there for anyone to admit what they did? The goodness of their hearts?

  • Alias

    I can’t see the Irish government providing the families with any help to seek justice. The British prime minister has signalled that the policy of his government is to continue the old security policy of failing to prosecute state actors for murder in that region of the UK.

    The Irish government are simply patsys to British security policy on NI, so they will have taken their cue from the British prime minister in regard to granting immunity for murder to the British soldiers.

    It looks like they will now have to campaign for justice. Some of them, of course, will forego justice for their murdered kin in order to protect the Shinners rather than the British state, but the rest will find that 38 years of camapigning was just the beginning of their struggle.

  • jim

    where are these people getting the money from to campaing. are we paying for this as tax payers or are SF fronting them

  • Alias

    Jim, the same place you would get the money from if someone raped your wife but the State refused to prosecute him because he was an agent of the State, i.e. beg, borrow, or earn it.

  • Alias

    By the way, the Shinners won’t support those families who want the State to prosecute those who killed their loved ones. Since they have stated their policy on prosecutions is to “let the families decide” you can be sure that the Shinners have already fixed it with most of the families that they should not seek prosecutions. In that regard these families who do seek justice are ‘mavericks’ who are operating outside of Shinner control. You can expect the Shinners to privately frustrate their efforts, and to blacken their names in due course as is customary to that party. The Shinners are simply puppets of the British state.