South Belfast Orange and Black call for agreement

Saw this over on Devenport Diaries.

In a nut shell the Leaders of the Orange Order and the Black Preceptory in South Belfast have called on Sir Reg Empey to apply the Fermanagh South Tyrone model to South Belfast.

Mark says:

“The loyal orders went so far as to say that “we feel so strongly about this issue that we will direct our members and friends not to support any party that indicates they are not prepared to stand aside for an independent non-party candidate in South Belfast.”.”

He adds:

“If he says no he risks the possibility of Orange Order voters boycotting Paula Bradshaw.”

The letter seems not to be in the public domain but in the hands of Mark Devenport.

  • I see on the little live bar across the bbc website that the bomb was near the army base at Holywood, and nobody was hurt.

  • Cynic2

    They’re actually, to a large extent, the SAME people

    Really? Is Paula Bradshaw a member then? Are you here for a discussion or just to show off your own prejudices?

  • Cynic2

    “it would make sense”

    Garza

    I am sure you didn’t really mean that!

  • Cynic2

    “there are some UUP members in F&ST; not happy with supporting the independant candidate,”

    I am sure there are. Its Fermanagh and if Jesus Christ himself ran there would still be some who thought he wasn’t Protestant enough, was too Jewish, looked too foreign or had long hair. And you could apply that to almost any constituency anywhere – though perhaps more so in Fermanagh

  • Cynic2

    Pity about the thread on eirigi being closed down but I am sure that the video Mark posted will have already been of great use to the people at Palace Barracks – if only to cross check the timesheets of many of those there

  • Cynic2

    By the way I see they had two different types of posters white ones and yellow ones. My, my, two factions already,

  • Comrade Stalin

    Impartial:

    I have it on verey good authority that there will not be a Unionist Unity candidate in South Belfast unless the DUP pull S pratt and let Bradshaw run as a C&U.

    A unity candidate, by definition, has to be someone who isn’t a member of either of the two parties.

    The DUP are pulling every dirty trick they know, and they are still failing.

    Failing ? That’s not how it looks to me. The UUP have backed down in FST and now they’re about to back down in SB.

    The trouble with Bradshaw issuing her statement is that she has now put the ball back in the DUP court to find an appropriate candidate – which the DUP duly will. The pressure returns to them to keep their word and back the unity candidate as they said they would.

    I predict that Empey will impose a unity candidate and Bradshaw will “step down” within the next 10 days. Let’s see if I’m right.

    Peter Robinson should NOW step aside and give Ulster’s Unionist party the chance to regain the ground he has lost.

    I find it revealing that Ulster Unionist supporters are so lacking in confidence in their own message that they don’t believe they can win unless their principal competitor steps down.

    It just shows how unionists don’t really understand democracy. Instead of having a fair fight with all the issues being discussed, they want to rig the election so that they are guaranteed to win. It’s shameful.

    I would rather vote for a Tory than vote for my own party under the leadership of Robinson. This is the biggest mistake that Dr. Paisley ever made.

    Stop pretending you’re an ex-DUPer. You’re clearly not.

  • Cynic2

    “A unity candidate, by definition, has to be someone who isn’t a member of either of the two parties.”

    Nonsense. Its an agreed candidate … and the best candidate. If they want agreement, pull out and Bradshaw will take the seat. She’s by far the brightest and most articulate and can easily win.

  • someone

    Stalin,

    Failing ? That’s not how it looks to me. The UUP have backed down in FST and now they’re about to back down in SB.

    The trouble with Bradshaw issuing her statement is that she has now put the ball back in the DUP court to find an appropriate candidate – which the DUP duly will. The pressure returns to them to keep their word and back the unity candidate as they said they would.

    I find it revealing that Ulster Unionist supporters are so lacking in confidence in their own message that they don’t believe they can win unless their principal competitor steps down.

    It just shows how unionists don’t really understand democracy. Instead of having a fair fight with all the issues being discussed, they want to rig the election so that they are guaranteed to win. It’s shameful.

    For once we agree! UCUNF are tettering on the brink of losing my vote with all this nasty nonsense. :-((

    But don’t worry Stalin, you’re not getting it! 😉

  • Cynic2

    Someone

    A Tory candidate saying shje is standing is ‘nasty nonsense’ that may lose her your vote? errrrrrrrrrrrr

  • YelloSmurf

    Drumlins, Mr Kamble stood for Fermanagh District Council a few years back which required him to live or work in Fermanagh. I imagine that Mrs Kamble lives with him.

  • Billy Pilgrim

    Cynic2

    “Really? Is Paula Bradshaw a member then? Are you here for a discussion or just to show off your own prejudices?”

    I don’t know, but since you bring her up, I suppose you know that Ms Bradshaw isn’t in the Orange. And that’s fine.

    I don’t know how observing that there is a huge overlap in membership between the OO and UUP is “prejudice”. It’s simply a statement of demonstrable fact, notwithstanding exceptions such as the very lovely Ms Bradshaw.

    But I suppose in the absence of a leg to stand on, you might as well try the ad hominem stuff. Since it’s pro-UCUNF man-playing, you can be sure to get away with it on this particular website….

  • Greenflag

    “The Conservatives and Unionists project is about a much more inclusive form of Unionism, not aligned with any particular community background, ‘

    Oh is that so ?

    Unless they are Irish or Catholic in which case we’ll take the advice of the Orange & Black and do what they tell us because we just might need that extra seat to get into government . We are after all the party of non sectarian principles we Tories and we have always been in favour of using /abusing the Irish /Northern Irish in a manner which is of benefit to our securing power at Westminster .

    We understand that some of ****ing taigs and republicans out there might not actually believe our ‘story’ but then we don’t include you lot anyway .

  • Cynic2

    “we just might need that extra seat to get into government”

    Read the polls. Even the Labour Party’s own proxy site LabourList predicts a Tory win by 10%

    ” Unless they are Irish or Catholic”

    Where’s the evidence for that?

    “we have always been in favour of using /abusing the Irish /Northern Irish”

    Oh do stop whingeing so much. Its stains the screen.

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

    I’m going to ban all Orange and Blackmen from using my guest house.

  • Greenflag

    They’ll need a swing of at least 8% to get a narrow working majority and swings of that size are uncommon in British electoral history. The Tories have don’t forget ‘swung back about 5 or 6% over the past two elections since their nadir in 1997 . They are scraping the bottom of the barrel of political vote switchers. The Lib Dems may skew the result in ways not expected .

    ‘ Unless they are Irish or Catholic”

    Where’s the evidence for that?

    Are you any good at the numbers ? Well here’s the evidence yer honour . Lets see the Tories were going to stand in all 18 constituencies, now alas down to 16 and counting . As part of the new newer than new new Unionist outreach to Catholic Conservatives and Unionists in Northern Ireland one might have thought they might nominate at least one out of 18 of their candidates with that kind of community ‘background ‘

    But not a bit of it . The UCUNF make the old Unionist Party that misruled NI for 50 plus years seem almost non sectarian .

    As for ‘whingeing’ ?. Not a bit . I don’t ever expect anything from the Tories in Ireland except the same old .

    If your screen is stained I suggest you use a spatula or paint scraper -be extra careful with the scraping. Alas no matter how much you scrape away Tory/UCUNF hypocrisy in and on Ireland unless you pull it out by it’s roots it’ll always grow back like the pestilential political weed it is 😉

  • Fabianus

    John K Lund,

    “I’m going to ban all Orange and Blackmen from using my guest house.”

    LOL!

  • Peter Fyfe

    I am very disappointed Paula Bradshaw feels the need to toe the line to these bigots. Would that ex-Top Gear producer not work as an agreed candidate? That’s right, he left the squalid sectarian set-up. I don’t believe Con HQ will allow this to happen. Gordon risks losing a supporter in SB, he won’t keep quiet about Cameron’s support for a sectarian headcount in SB if it comes about. It certainly would question the Con’s ability to led the country if they go along with the ‘anybody but a taig’ policy in SB as well as FST. They can’t hide behind any excuses in SB.
    Though they did let that ‘banks pay for marriages’ out last week. It was pretty ill concieved. Why should any financial institution pay up so some people can remain married? A bank tax that protects against the risk inherent in the banking system should surely be used to help those out who suffer as a result. Who will remain married or get married for 150 pound a year?

  • Alan N/Ards

    I seen the interview with the not very articulate OO spokesman from South Belafst and I can’t believe that anyone would listen to this moron. I can’t believe that anybody with a brain cell would stay in this organisation. I have friends in the OO who are really decent people and they are considering leaving the order, as they are disgusted with the crap being spouted by these brain dead half wits.

  • Peter Fyfe

    I should comment that the comments of some unionists on this thread is comforting. They seem as disgusted by the idea as myself. Shows their are people with convictions out there. Harry J, is Paul a middle name by any chance as well?

  • Harry J

    where are paula statements that she had “always” said “I would stand aside for an agreed candidate if asked to do so by my Party Leader,”

    i cant find any. was paula telling a porkie ?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Harry, would you for chrissake change the record.

  • Reader

    Comrade Stalin: The pressure returns to them to keep their word and back the unity candidate as they said they would.
    Wrong. UCUNF didn’t say they would back a unity candidate; and Paula only said she would withdraw in favour of a unity canditate *if asked by her party*.
    As my Grandma would say – you’re squealing before you’re bitten. We’re still a few steps away from your fantasy scenario.

  • Harry J

    no, paula made a statement that she said she was always in favour of an agreed candidate.

    where did she make make these statements? either she did or she didnt, either shes telling the truth or shes lying

    not a very good start for someone who hopes to be an MP

    but then again she is a Tory, didnt they say they were gonna run in all 18 constituencies. what ever happened to that one?

  • Harry J,

    keep up the good work nailing those Tory porkies.

  • alan56

    Or indeed the DUP promise of no devolution of P&J in a political lifetime. Someone better tell David Forde

  • Peter Fyfe

    Lord Morrow to be the commitee chair too. Surely he is going to get confused, there was to be no P&J in the Lifetime of this assembly, I thought he said. I suppose that only lasted until Iris got her knickers down, or more accurately, we found out.

  • proving ground

    I thought Harry J was doing ok until he stumbled into the swamp of trying to parse the ethical difference between voting for SF and unionist parties. Back to his original point, however, why is it surprising that a unionist organization would endorse a unionist candidate or a political strategy? This shouldn’t be unusual in a lively democracy, plus despite the cultural shift in Orangeism, I don’t think even the Orange Ulster Scots enthusiasts would have claimed that the institution is no longer a political organization (with a small p). I don’t see how calling for a political strategy is sectarian. They might have chosen a better word than “DIRECT their members and friends” on how to vote. “Encourage” would have been better. Nonetheless, having ended the official connections with the UUP years ago, they are now free to engage in grassroots politics. Plus, this is only a local lodge or two. Don’t give them more credit than they are due. If they don’t actually have the support of locals in their area, then its a bluff that won’t materialize at the polls, and they might even catch blowback from their own community. mike certainly doesn’t seem too pleased. The papal protests and reports of an English district master standing for the BNP without any criticism from fellow Orangemen are greater causes for concern.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Reader:

    Wrong. UCUNF didn’t say they would back a unity candidate; and Paula only said she would withdraw in favour of a unity canditate *if asked by her party*.

    This really is desperate dancing on a pinhead. I thought it went without saying that a unity candidate would have to be agreed at party level due to the wider political implications of so doing. I don’t see how this detail changes anything in what I said, which is that the UUP, and their candidate in South Belfast, are keeping the door open to a unity candidate running for the seat.