Chris Grayling adopts the Adrian Watson policy position…

It seems the British press are roasting Chris Grayling for his suggestion to an audience at a Centre for Policy Studies meeting that people running private guest houses should be allowed to exercise their own conscience over who they accept and don’t accept as guests… AKA, the Adrian Watson position, the Ulster Unionist candidate who was apparently ousted by the Tory central office, because he espoused precisely the self same policy position.

The position of candidate for South Antrim (probably the most marginal of all the Unionist Conservative alliance target seats) as of the time of writing remains unfilled… If the Tories are on the edge of a famous victory in Britain, in Northern Ireland the strategy is, by any reasonable measure, all over the place…

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  • PACE Parent

    Chris Grayling and Adrian Watson are both on the way out politically.

  • granni trixie

    Being devil’s advocate,you could say that one ‘good’ thing out of the AW situation in NI is that he at least gets it. He has been forced to clarify his position/attitude to gay people: that he has ‘nothing against’ them but merely was respecting his wife’s position. Note that this is different to Iris/others in DUP who steadfastly stand over their original positions, annoying people all the more.

  • If or when the UCUNF fiasco translates into less seats than they had when the Comical Alliance was announced and the UUP commence kicking the red-white-and-blue out of each other it will be interesting to see how much support there was for project UCUNF from the start.

    Zero points for the UUP(appropriately around the same time as the Eurovision) will presumably see the ditching of the Comical Alliance and Wee Comical Reggie himself and a concerted effort to get their act together before the Assembly elections where another very bad performance will surely result in the long sought after Unionist unity with only one major unionist party left standing.

    The Tories may just, via our old frined the law of unintended consequesnce, have done Unionism a massive favour.

    Protocol warning: Please adjust your mindset
    For those of a particulalry tribal and/or sensitive disposition and those unable to judge an arguement on it’s merits please be aware that the term Unionist in my name is not an entrirely accurate reflection of my political views though it should also be noted that my paternal grandfather was a keen supporter of the Union and I am invoking the FIFA grandparent rule and am opting to call myself so. (I’m sure he would have approved.)

  • Michaelhenry

    it was not adrin watsons fauld,according to the bold adrin he lays the blame at his wifes door,there is no room in the inn,but there is a stable on down the road.

  • richiep

    I don’t understand the term ” private guest house “.

  • Harry J

    Note that this is different to Iris/others in DUP who steadfastly stand over their original positions, annoying people all the more. ………..

    not annoying the many voters who share their and mrs watsons feelings on this issue

  • joeCanuck

    I don’t understand the term ” private guest house “.

    Nor do I, ritchie. 4 years ago I was visiting and went down to Mayo. Saw a substantial professionally made sign which said “B&B ahead. Visitors welcome”

  • Border Fox

    not annoying the many voters who share their and mrs watsons feelings on this issue

    Posted by Harry J on Apr 05, 2010 @ 10:45 AM

    Harry J, I am really at a loss as to why those who are predudiced against their potential customers would enter such a business as residential hospitality.

    What do you suggest they do put on the sign outside?

    NO GAYS HERE ?

    NO BLACKS, NO DOGS, NO IRISH ?

    Believe it or not many male and female couples of the same sex will enjoy the hospitality and leave the room just the way they found it just like some mixed sex couples.

    Some will even eat breakfast together I would imagine.

  • Harry J

    border fox , many people for religious reasons feel homosexuality to me wrong. we can all argue about it all day but shouldnt they have thier religious opinions respected?

    No one, in the case of the watsons, was denying them a room, just two seperate rooms as mrs watson believes homosexuality (the act, not the person) to be wrong.

  • joeCanuck

    mrs watson believes..

    Who cares what she believes; she’s not standing for election.
    Mr.Watson should stop hiding behind her skirt and tell us what he believes.

  • Border Fox

    Harry J

    I have no doubt that yourself and the Watsons for your religious reasons believe that homosexuality is wrong and I am not going to argue all day about it other than to suggest that it would be a lot easier for you if everybody woke up in the morning and knew deep down that you and everybody else was heterosexual. As it happens I am heterosexual but I would regard it as just another accident of birth. Just like being blue-eyed, right-handed, impossibly-handsome etc etc.

    I have already made the point that the Watsons are in the wrong business if they wish certain aspects of their religoius beliefs respected as the law cannot allow us to pick and choose who we wish to discriminate against surely.

    As for the seperate rooms then I would hazard a guess then that might just be a means to allow same sex couples to stay but to charge them twice !

    I would also ask you to explain to me how allowing a same sex couple to stay in adjoining rooms would somehow prevent them at some stage in engaging in any acts of which you might diapprove?

  • Border Fox

    My spelling above is apalling as there are way too many toast crumbs under the keyboard of my lap top !

  • Harry J

    I have no doubt that yourself and the Watsons for your religious reasons believe that homosexuality is wrong and I am not going to argue all day ……….

    i have no problems at al with homosexuality, but many do and surely their beliefs should be respected.

  • joeCanuck

    What! Having sex other that at night time with the lights off? Sheesh; I didn’t know that things were quite so bad.

  • joeCanuck

    It’s just unfortunate that he isn’t in the DUP. If he was, he might be able to tap into access to that gay curing guy. Of course he would have to talk to his leader who also hides behind his wife’s skirt.

  • andnowwhat

    Why do these so called “christians” think that gays are constantly having sex or that they would not respect the B&B owner’s no doubt obvious beliefs?

    Liike Wendy said to your man on her show today, they let unmarried hetros stay in their place. Is that not also a sin in their book?

  • Harry J

    the UUP are kidding themselves if they think that many of their supporters do not share the views of mr watsons wife.

    They have probaly secured willie mccreas election.

  • joeCanuck

    BTW, the Belly Telly is reporting that Iris is out walking the streets. Is that a wise thing to be doing?

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/robinson-fury-as-sex-shame-mp-wifes-hideaway-exposed-14755251.html

    Sorry, can’t do that magic one word thingy.

  • abc123

    Adrian Watson should be the official candidate. I agree with what Chris Grayling said. If someone opens up their own home for paying guests, then they should also have some rights who they do and don’t accept. And I’m not just referring to homosexuals.

    As Chris Grayling also stated, it’s a completely different matter when you are talking about a high street hotel where it would be unacceptable for homosexuals to be turned away because of their sexuality.

    In NI, we have a Deputy First Minister who STILL believes it was completely right to murder people in their homes in front of their families, and the Nationalist press don’t question it.

    Yet, a law abiding family trying to earn a living isn’t allowed to decide who should or shouldn’t be a paying guest in their home.

    Re-instate Adrian Watson now. It’s not too late. And I would suggest he would have a very good chance of taking the seat from the part time politician/part time preacher/part time singer Mr McCrea.

  • Harry J

    Re-instate Adrian Watson now. It’s not too late. And I would suggest he would have a very good chance of taking the seat from the part time politician/part time preacher/part time singer Mr McCrea.
    Posted by abc123 on Apr 05, 2010 @ 01:46 PM

    re-instate him as the Ucunf candidate, something which he thinks is a dictatorship and gimmick. too late for Mr Watson.

  • granni trixie

    Arent we forgetting something here?
    What does Mrs Watson do to police hetrosexual couples who may do something in (her) beds which is not “christian” (can happen or so they tell me).

    Who wants to know what anybody of any sexual orientation does in bed? Too much info (particularly if they’re your mum or dad).

  • Irish attitudes to sexuality, religion and tolerance North and South, and particulalry those in the North are out of step with those in Britian (a few right wingers excepted) and this is something that the modernising Tories should have been mindful of.

    Many poeple (myself excepted of course) would not admit to a any intolerance in relation to race, religion or sexuality, but will as Harry J rightly suggests tend to support someone who appears to be being bullied by those pedalling what sems to them as political correctness.

    Watson will probably gamble that the Plain People of South Antrim will back him if he stands as an independent and he can re-join the party after the good ship UCUNF sinks in ignominy.

    His attitude to the wearing of GAA shirts by kids was also offensive to many and perhaps the Tories will resurrect this as an issue (they were quite happy at the time) in order to avoid charges of hypocrisy.

  • alan56

    I think if Mrs Watson were to show the same tloerance for black or ethnic people there really would be a clamour!!

  • joeCanuck

    black or ethnic people

    Or those Irish people who breed like rabbits; you know who I mean. I guess she could put a surtax on themmuns for the extra wear and tear.

  • RepublicanStones

    Does Mrs Watson wear mixed fabrics?

  • Harry J

    #

    I think if Mrs Watson were to show the same tloerance for black or ethnic people there really would be a clamour!!
    Posted by alan56 on Apr 05, 2010 @ 02:48 PM

    I take it Mrs Watsons objections are purely religious. the bible does clearly speak against homosexuality – surely she is allowed her own religoius beliefs – or are we not to tolerate christians?

  • Garza

    “I take it Mrs Watsons objections are purely religious. the bible does clearly speak against homosexuality – surely she is allowed her own religoius beliefs – or are we not to tolerate christians? ”

    harry J, the bible speaks out against many things that we find fine nowadays. But as always christains will cherry pick the bible for their own ends. She might as well put up a sign saying “no gays allowed”. Why doesn’t she?

    And no I do not tolerate intolerant christains or intolerant people of any religion for that matter.

  • Harry J

    And no I do not tolerate intolerant christains or intolerant people of any religion for that matter.
    Posted by Garza on Apr 05, 2010 @ 03:36 PM

    so you are just as intolerant

  • The British press do not seem to have latched on to the hypocrisy angle yet but either way Chris ‘NoGays’ Grayling will probably be pushed on to his own sword by Davey as it is too easy a target for the Labour Party with Mandy presumably already sharpening his stilettoes for the kill.

  • Coll Ciotach

    It is amazing that as the rights brigade grow in strength tolerance diminishes. I subscribe to the point of view that people have the right to make the rules in their home as suits them, which means that if they are willing to rent a room for the night they stipulate the rules – if you do not like it go elsewhere.

    It is these stupid regulations which hamper the development of tourism here. Who in their right mind would open their home and have no say in who or who not to allow over their threshold?

  • USA

    Harry J,
    People are way off base when they buy into the ill thought out “religious belief” excuse.
    These matters are governed by commerce. You cannot deny a person access to goods or services based on religion, gender, sexual orientation etc.
    When the Watson’s and others decide to open their houses for economic benefit then they enter the realm of commerce. They must then play by the rules which govern commerce. If they don’t like it they can stop accepting guests and choose a different means of income.
    Thankfully the Watsons and bigots like them have no chance in any court of law.
    End of.

    BTW Grannie Trixie, Watson shifted the flack onto his wife and her beliefs. That does not mean “at least he gets it”. To the contrary, it confirms he still doesn’t “get it”.

    I’m so sick of these fundies crying that their outdated bigoted views are not given the respect they deserve.
    As someone wrote recently.
    MOPE…Most Oppressed Protestants Ever.

  • Jimmy Sands

    “It seems the British press are roasting Chris Grayling”

    Not in a B&B I trust.

  • I take it Mrs Watsons objections are purely religious. the bible does clearly speak against homosexuality- ?

    It also speaks out about the immorality of a short, back and sides and clean shave:

    Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard
    Leviticus 19:27

    Following the Bible too literarily in terms of admission policy and the Watsons’ guest house would end up looking like a Nirvana Fan Refuge.

    You are entitled to your religious beliefs as long as you promise not to kill anyone because of them; if however you decide to “open your house” to the public, then you must accept the state’s laws in terms of how you operate that “opening” as a business.

  • joeCanuck

    Totally agree with those who say it is a business. It is not different from an hotel on High Street no matter what the Tory thinks.
    When people chose to use parts of their house as a business those parts are not part of a “home”. They, the bedroom(s), dining room or whatever, become public spaces and the law against discrimination applies. You do not get to claim the costs of maintaining your “home” as a tax deduction. You do with the parts that are involved in the business enterprise. If the Watsons do not agree with the law, they should close down the B&B or face the consequences of being a scofflaw.

  • Framer

    The regulations allow discrimination against gays where a landlord or guest house owner shares small premises or if he or a near relative lives in another part of the same premises.
    This exemption is in place to preserve an individual’s right to privacy in their own home. It does not apply however to someone advertising a service to the public at large.

    Grayling was talking about amplifying that exemption not allowing full blown discrimination but, as he says, the law is now in place and he is not suggesting repeal. He was simply mulling the matter over.

    I for one would not want politicians forced to deny contemplating (minor) law reform or for Labour and the LibDems being allowed to use strict adherence to their movable feast of views on gay rights to become a stick to beat the Tories.

    For 10 of the last 13 Labour years, discrimination against gays in goods and services was legal.

    Were Blair and Brown homophobes then?

  • Garza

    “so you are just as intolerant”

    Yes Harry J, I am intolerant of racists, homophobes and bigots, I have no time for them. Sorry.

  • Paul

    what a complete farce ucunf is the election is being called tomorrow and they have yet to select for SA for there number 1 target seat.lmao

  • Border Fox

    I haven’t responded on this for a while but ….

    @25+5 Coll Ciotach.

    I do have some sympathy when the rights v’s tolerance debate goes awry but generally most of those who quote this line are those who wish that thei intolerance is equated with tolerance. The following points made by USA, oneill and Joe Canuck explain rather well why your assertion about rules in the home do not apply when commerce comes into play.

    @25+6 USA +8 oneill & +9 joeCanuck

    I have paraphrased you above. I agree that they should be allowed who they have as personal guests but when they open their house for economic benefit then the laws of the land come into play.

  • Border Fox

    At the end of the day I suppose that a gay couple of whatever sex who came upon the Watson’s particularly hostile “GuestHouse” will have turned their noses up and looked elsewhere but more seriously I do think that so long as there is a nod and a wink that for religious or moral or political grounds it is okay to discriminate on sexual or racial grounds then there will be those who do not need a great deal of tempting to take the law into their own hands. I will give you one singular vignette as to how a gay man who I knew well suffered as a result of his orientation.

    He was and still is a bit of a flirt and fond of a bit of the kind of furtive one off sexual encounters that straight and gay people might indulge in after a nights drinking in Belfast city centre. He was lured from a bar on a promise by somebody that he had taken a shine to and went back to a house in the holyland. On going inside he was subjected to the mother and father of assualts by a number of men who beat him to a pulp and only through a bit of luck and escaping over a wall into Botanic Gardens did he get away. Having lost consciousness he found his way to the city hospital in the early hours where he spent the next fortnight. Fractured skull, two fractured cheekbones, most teeth lost, broken wrist,lacerations and bruising all over.Those people planned to pick up a gay man and potentially kill him for there own perverted reasons which to my mind go beyond any perceived perversion that might go on between two lovers of the same sex in the privacy of a guest house room.

  • GavBelfast

    10.mrs watson believes..

    Who cares what she believes; she’s not standing for election.

    But Adrian Watson won’t be standing either – not for the CUs anyway.

  • Harry J

    But Adrian Watson won’t be standing either – not for the CUs anyway.
    Posted by GavBelfast on Apr 05, 2010 @ 06:13 PM

    if he stands against the CUs he will certainly outpoll them

  • GavBelfast

    I wonder how strong the gay vote is in the constituency anyway?

    They’ve hardly been courted by the sitting MP in the booths, have they?

  • alan56

    Adrian Watson’s pronouncements confuse me. 48hrs ago he was referring to the UUP/Tory alliance as a shambles. Today he is reported as saying that he would still be prepared to be the C&U candidate. Doesn’t make sense?

  • alan56

    GavBelfast
    You’re a cad!!!

  • Panic, these ones like it up em.

    Seriously how strong is the Gay vote or people that do not want to see Gay people discriminated against.

    Politicians should wise up and not sneakingly try to get around the law of the land like Mr Grayling.

    Guest house owners should offer compulsory sex with the landlord/landlady if they wish to be choosey about sexual shenanigans.

  • oneill, me fellow me lad, was/is SA one of the seats you expected to be in the UCUNF bag, what’s your current prediction in terms of seats?

  • granni trixie

    Border Fox – point well made.

  • “21.oneill, me fellow me lad, was/is SA one of the seats you expected to be in the UCUNF bag, what’s your current prediction in terms of seats?”

    MU

    The Times and Ladbrokes are currently predicting a grand total of zero…think it’ll be higher than that;)

    Sth Antrim’s still bubbling, the Rev Willie’s not home and dry yet.

  • Panic, these ones like it up em.

    Would they do sex tests on all their guests.

    Its not that easy to tell nowadays or has Mrs Watson got a queer eye for the queer guy and a feel for female fumblers.

  • Marlaghman

    May the 6th so get your vote in early. ipj or the wee man from the ross for NA? the gloves are now off

  • GavBelfast

    How many candidates have the other (main) parties announced yet? (We know the CUs are on 17 out of 18.)

    It’s OK – the numbers will do.

  • oneill,

    would it be fair to say that you have (at least temporarily) lost some of the swagger which led you to suggest that my side of the £50 wager that UCUNF would not win 2 seats was not my wisest move?

  • MU,

    No!

  • PACE Parent

    The clock is running down on announcing a candidate for South Antrim. Once Gordon has that cup of tea then it’s down to making an appointment. Perhaps Reg and Dave should have asked Andrew Lloyd Webber to sort this out.

  • CatinHat

    @Border Fox

    I have already made the point that the Watsons are in the wrong business if they wish certain aspects of their religoius beliefs respected as the law cannot allow us to pick and choose who we wish to discriminate against surely.

    Of course it can. I can place a personals ad in the paper asking for a woman, or even saying “no blacks, no Irish”. Do you think that people who do that deserve to be imprisoned or do people have a right to discriminate in race, nationality and gender in choosing who they date and marry?

    Discrimination is no reason per se that something should be criminalised. To argue that is to argue the absurd.

    What annoys me is the shrill sanctimonious moralism the antis on this issue spout. It’s like no-one is permitted to have a different opinion than them. That this is all about “prejudice” and all those who uphold a B&B owners free choice are “homophobes”. Loads of people support the B&B owner not because they would, or want to, discriminate against gays but from a libertarian position. For the same reasons that you would probably allow (even racial) discrimination in dating ads. Many would be absolute fine with an exclusively gay B&B. Is that so hard to comprehend?

  • CatinHat

    Here is someone supporting the right of a B&B owner to decline to serve gay couples who is a gay libertarian.

    http://tinyurl.com/yzgwrfa

  • NMCNSA

    Mr Watson, Lady Hermon and ‘Sooty’ McFarland have done there best to undermine the alliance of the Ulster Unionist and Conservatives however thankfully they picked the worst week in history to do so as virtually no one noticed.

    The heavy snow and Peter ‘The Punt’ Robinsons unusual hobby of buying and selling strips of land for £5 and ‘Lady’ Robinson finally revealing herself from ‘Suicide Watch’ have bumped Sooty and Mr Watson well down the page.

    I find it troubling the venom that many on these pages spout against UU&C party as we are trying to drag Ulster politics away from the swamp that is the current sectarian head count and offer people a real alternative. Perhaps our current political leaders know they will be out on their ears if young people start to take a real interest in politics.

    The choice in N.I at this election is do they want the same old poisonous bigots of the DUP, up to their necks in sleaze and corruption and in Mr McCreas case Quadtruple Jobber (Minister, MLA, MP & Councillor)- Honestly were does he find the time to be so fun and……..carefree!

  • dwatch

    NMCNSA, how can UCUNF ‘drag Ulster politics away from the swamp that is the current sectarian head count and offer people a real alternative.’ if they dont win any of the 18 Northern ireland seats in the election?

  • NMCNSA

    I think we will romp South Antrim (excuse the pun Willie), Strangford and East Belfast.
    We will also take lagan valley

  • GavBelfast

    I think “romp” is over-doing it, anyone would think from the use of that language that Willie could finish bottom.

  • NMCNSA

    He would find that hard to believe though, sure he sees him self as top.

  • NMCNSA

    Although the way hes exploiting his links to the young voters in London will be hard to beat.

  • granni trixie

    ‘Romp’ home in the East – with TR, a candidate virtually unknown in the area or is Sir Reg going to risk getting a hammering himself?

  • NMCNSA

    Trevor Ringland Virtually unknown??
    The same Trevor Ringland that played rugby for Queens, Ballymena, Ulster, Ireland and the British and Irish Lions and served on the main committee of the IRFU and the IRFU Charitable Trust?
    Whos a member of the Northern Ireland Policing Board, co-chair of the One Small Step Campaign, the Board of the Ireland Funds, Mediation NI, British Council NI, British Irish Association, RUC (GC) Foundation, Peace Players International and the Sport for all Committee of the IFA and previously served on the Broadcasting Council for NI, Sports Council, and as a non executive Director of Independent News and Media (NI) Ltd.
    Who in 2003 co-authored “A Long Peace? The Future of Unionism in Northern Ireland”, with Mick Fealty and David Steven. Who also serve on the Committee of the “Platform for Change”.
    Against The Estate agent from Gransha Road who can’t even keep his wife in control never mind the Country and is up to his neck in dodgy property deals

  • Fabianus

    Gav,

    “Willie could finish bottom.”

    Er, on topic again: this is hardly the most appropriate thread for that suggestion.

  • Paddy Matthews

    The Estate agent from Gransha Road who can’t even keep his wife in control

    Good to see that forward-thinking Unionism is on offer to the electorate this time round.

    A sneak preview of UCUNF’s next policy meeting:



  • granni trixie

    NMCNSA:I know of TR because I saw he got money from the Community Relations Council to promote reconciliation for which I have commended him on Slugger previously.

    I have a firewall as far as sport goes but my husband knows of him because he is interested in Rugby. I am sure a lot of people in East Bel are the same as me – not in sports networks and so his name means nothing to them.

    As for the recently formed, well meaning, but ineffectual “Platform for Change” you connect him with, lead by elites such as Robin Wilson is hardly a recommedation, didnt Sluggerites comment on the fact thaqt even the launch was a disaster in terms of organisation?

    Why would I know of all the other bodies he is on – indeed I am on many myself but would not claim that that amounts to a high public profile. I was contrasting this lack of profile with that of Naomi who clearly everyone in NI knows as well as those in East Belfast who know her for her track record in working for them.

    Which brings me to the key point: he has no previous connection to East Belfast,isn’t he from Larne, now living in N. Down?.How can people relate to him as they would to Naomi?

    BTW, in modern times most people know better than to assume that it is ‘the husbands’ role to “keep his wife in control”.

    The legitimate point you could have made concerns the relationship of the two with developers,not distasteful sexist remarks.

  • Harry J

    ‘Romp’ home in the East – with TR, a candidate virtually unknown in the area or is Sir Reg going to risk getting a hammering himself?

    ….

    wasnt reg only elected to the assmebly because of transfers from Naomi long?

  • Fabianus

    Er, has the English language changed while I wasn’t looking?

    Keeping somebody “in control” used to mean ensuring that that somebody remained in a position of power.

    Keeping somebody “under control” meant retaining one’s control over them.

  • Procrasnow

    Mr Grayling has http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/chris_grayling/epsom_and_ewell voted moderately AGAINST equal gay rights, so really no one should be surprised.

  • Procrasnow

    Cameron dropped gays from his speech into the bargain, and he was all about ‘Britain’ today never heard United Kingdom mentioned once.

    Can’t wait till they come knocking at my door,

  • Procrasnow

    Well there is one sure way of getting rid of unwanted canvassers if they call you at home on the phone

    that’s for sure

  • NMCNSA

    Procrasnow, there’s a clue in the name! Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
    Perhaps you are happy in petty point scoring tribalism that masquerades as politics in N.Ireland, other prefere to look at a more national picture!

  • Comrade Stalin

    NMCNSA, what’s Trevor Ringland’s history of delivery in the constituency ?

    That comment about Peter Robinson keeping his wife in control shows us just what you’re like under the hood. As with Chris Grayling, occasionally we get a glimpse of the wolf under the sheep’s clothing.

  • CS,

    that auld-fashioned idea aside about wife-control, NMCNSA does have a point about Trev and Peter.

  • Procrasnow

    NMCNSA @ 8.30 pm

    Pardon me but I am not point scoring, try changing a northern Ireland full driving licence for a Canadian Driving licence and you will discover that if you lived in Britain or Great Britain your licence could be changed but you dont, your NI licence is not recognized.

    Britain or GB is the largest Island in europe and we are not on it, to be all inclusive of us, if he cared a hoot about us and if he was in favour of the union would be to use UK.

    WE are not in Britain but we are in the UK. There is no point in the man talking about edgimication if he lacks the geographical knowledge about his own Kingdom. We are not a nation or a country we are in a Kingdom.

    That’s not point scoring or ‘tribalism’ what ever my tribe is, now there’s a question, more of an enigma.

  • Procrasnow

    CS

    If the family claims to be “Christian” the wife must be in subjection and obedience to the husband.

    According to Peter, no not that one this Peter

    But there again they are not supposed to be buying property or having mortgages

    Always wondered is there a slide rule formula for Christians to calculate when their Rule Book the Bible does not suit their chosen lifestyle what to obey and what to safely ignore?

  • Garza

    To be fair procrasnow I heard Northern Ireland mentioned a few times during BBC’s election coverage today, including an interview with Peter Robinson and a few mentions of the Tories allies in NI – the UUP.

    “Britain” is sometimes used as slang in politics but it sill means the UK. Britain has a better ring to it.

  • granni trixie

    “Trev and Peter”? but what about Naomi? She ticks all the boxes (even NMCNSA’s where he is looking beyond sectarina headcount).

  • andnowwhat

    I think the likes of Mrs Watson (nothing to do with Mr Watson as in Mrs Robinson’s dealings are nothing to do with Mr Robinson (seriously, try getting such things past your partner’s attention)) should be made to put up a “Gays not welcome” sign in their B&Bs; so right thinking people don’t cross her palm with silver by mistake.

    In fairness, the “Jesus loves you” sticker on their car will be a clue

  • NMCNSA

    Naomi certainly doesn’t tick any boxes for me, she doesn’t stand for anything other than self advancement as with many pc alliance types! At least sf/dup have the courage of their convictions!

  • Comrade Stalin

    What are SF’s convictions ? (stop sniggering at the back)

    What are the DUP’s convictions ?

  • NMCNSA

    Sf leadership already have plenty of convictions, DUP leaders are doing there best to catch up!

  • Driftwood

    Robinson will win easily. I have a bet for 2nd place with CS, adequately covered by 2 quid on Naomi at 100/1 here:

    http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/belfast-east/winning-partyhttp

    McCrea is 1/3 with the CU’s 3/1 with no candidate as yet. Unfortunately I think Watson will run. A pity, but Comrade is right about the turmoil in the new link up. However the DUP ‘unity’ is disguised by the enforced resignation letters and a Soviet command and control system. Also applies to SF.
    So Reg is not applying the old idiom: ‘I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everyone’

    That means a 2 party carve up of apparatchiks with consolidated groupthink. Not healthy.

    But look at the SF and DUP leadership and see the sociopathic controlfreakery. Reg and Margaret (and David Ford) with consensus broad church leadership approaches are on a loser.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Sf leadership already have plenty of convictions, DUP leaders are doing there best to catch up!

    That’s it, run away from the question.

    Drifty:

    That’s a clever trick, using the 100/1 odds to be able to meet your bet. I’m not familiar with the way these things work – do those 100/1 odds stay, or can the bookmaker revise them even after you have made your bet ?

  • NMCNSA

    I think many political commentators are underestimating the disgust the Unionist people have for the DUP at the moment.
    The Iris and Peter scandals, the rumours that there more more waiting in the wing ready to drop against 2 senior figures and the fact they told bare faced lies to the people will do serious damage.
    The TUV will also hit there vote to the tune of around 30% which will be a fatal blow.
    The Soviet command and control system only works if you control the press and right now they have the DUP firmly in their sights.

  • Driftwood

    Nope, if you back now, those are the odds you get. I expect them to change so there are good value chances there. Most bookies haven’t touched NI because they don’t know the market.
    So Ladbrokes have treated it like the mainland.

  • Mike

    Procrasnow

    “Britain” is quite clearly regularly used to mean “the United Kingdom” rather than just “Great Britain”. For example:

    http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page823

    “On this site the term ‘Britain’ is used informally to mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”

  • PACE Parent

    “A series of spittle flecked, scattergun rants have appeared in the media ever since the decision on his prospective candidacy was formalised.”

    http://threethousandversts.blogspot.com/2010/04/grayling-and-watson-two-very-different.html

    Superb writing.

  • I expect them to change so there are good value chances there

    Lagan Valley (C&Us;) and North Belfast (SF) look very handy odds at the minute, not that I’d ever dream of making money from backing Sinn Fein, of course;)

  • Border Fox

    @driftwood. Cheers !

    I will be sidling into Ladbrokes at some stage before they get wind of the local market !!!

    I stuck a few euro on Bertie to be next Irish President last year with Paddy Power at strangely long odds……