Tribune sex abuse articles now online

EXCLUSIVE – Gerry Adams ignored two more rape victims

‘Adams was told about what X had done to me’

Grand-niece of Provo legend endured horrific sexual abuse

SF must address abuse if it wants credibility

Gerry Adams reveals his brother was party treasurer

Liam Adams was never ‘dumped’ from Sinn Féin

Note – we are aware that many suspect they know the names of those affected or accused but I am sure Mick would appreciate if they are not published on his site. Thanks.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Have any of you guttersnipes and lickspittles read this yet?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6990961.ece

    Interesting to read Robinson basically admitting he was wrong to ‘blacken’ his opponents all these years. He seems genuinely moved by the support he’s been getting from McGuinness and the nationalist community.

    Perhaps you lot might want to take heed.

    The republican community has been demonised before and will be again…but equality and nationalist advance is inexorable and irresistable.

    That McGuinness could set aside all the venom directed his way by the DUP over the years and offer support to Robinson speaks volumes about his republican background and character.

    Sling all the mud you want – it’ll never stick.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Just read this article:

    http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2010/jan/17/adams-was-told-about-what-x-had-done-to-me/

    The police and the social services seemed to have done little more – and yet they were in a position to properly act. Little is made of this fact, of course. I wonder why?

  • TAFKABO

    Ulsterwatcher, I don’t think you’re doing yourself or anyone else any favours with your approach to this situation.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Taf, yeah, my first post above may be a bit off topic…but I think my second point is valid.

    If Suzanne has uncovered abuse then the failings seem to be widespread. Yet the vitriol is highly personal in that it is aimed almost exclusively at Adams.

    Just what were the police and social services doing in response to this women’s complaints?

  • TAFKABO

    I think the articles demonstrate that social services did what they could with the knowledge they had.
    As for the police, I think it is definitely worth examining whether or not they also failed in their duty of care with any knowledge they had.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Spot on, Taf.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Actually, the articles seem to illustrate the failings of the police – as well as the social services -as much they do of Adams. Probably not Suzanne’s intention at all lol.

    Nevertheless, the story is just not taking off. It’s page 19 in today’s Sunday Life. Oh dear.

  • Paul McMahon

    The fact of the matter is that there are a number of people / organisations that need to answer questions regarding the handeling of Aine’s abuse not least of all Gerry Adams, [the then] RUC and Social Services.

    In a wider context questions need to be asked of both the Social Services and cops regarding background checks on Liam Adams and his working with kids.

    It seems that Gerry Adams has been caught out telling numerous porkies. This should be explained and I personally think that it has tainted SF and that he should go however that is for the Party / electorate to decide.

  • For interest – Adams commented on the Tribune stories (and request for information) on his blog post today.

    Not sure it answers all the questions.

  • UlsterWatcher

    Alan, thanks for the link.

    Adams claims that he twice informed the police of his brother’s employment in youth groups – yet the police on both occasions failed to act.

    Now, if Adams is going to have this amount of mud chucked at him, this aspect of his story needs at least to be checked.

    Forget the hysteria, did the police fail to act on two occasions after Adams warned them? If so, why?

    Maybe Suzanne will follow it up.

  • ranger1640

    Shocking.

    I wonder how the women who voted for Sinn Fein feel now???

  • Paddy

    I see Adams’ blog has a picture of a cliff. Maybe Gerry could do Aine and all of us all a favour by going to that cliff.
    Ulsterwaxxker: go post a reply on Gerry’s blog so he can know he is preaching to the converted. I presume, incidetnally, you are from the Provo family and not from another one.

    Has anyone seen that Louis Thureax special, A Place for Pedophiles. It is filmed in a high secure prison in California, and it has interveiws with very articulate pedophiles. The Provos are also very articulate. But, like their American cousins, they are getting cornered.

    Mark: An excellent post and resource that will bring good, informative replies.

  • TAFKABO

    Ulsterwatcher, in what I find one of the most distasteful posts I’ve ever read on this blog, you seem to delight in the fact that this story is not making more headlines, celebrating that it only got to page 19 in one paper..
    I hope you realise that whether or not this story takes off, it isn’t going to go away.
    Sinn Fein have a massive problem if they’re ever going to make any more comments about human rights, or justice. Whenever they try to lecture us this issue will be brought up.
    Unless they do something drastic they are to all intents and purposes finished as a party of ‘equality’.

  • Albert

    This is disgraceful.

  • Alias

    This is very strong evidence of a culture of moral degeneracy within the Shinners which shows that they are unfit to hold public office.

    While many have pointed out that the actions of the Shinners were rooted as much in psychopathology as they were in politics, folks were encouraged by the two States to inject the members of these murder gangs into the political system on the pretence that they could be reformed.

    To serve that end, their pathological fetishes were portrayed simply as symptoms of a diseased system rather than symptoms of diseased minds which could no longer be applicable if the system was reformed, thereby ignoring the reality that psychopaths cannot be reformed and will continue to be dysfunctional irrespective of the political system.

    Folks may have been prepared to excuse abject atrocities in the name of ‘the cause’ but raping children and covering up those rape serves no cause other than the degenerate filth who engaged in these activities.

  • TAFKABO

    This is very strong evidence of a culture of moral degeneracy within the Shinners which shows that they are unfit to hold public office.

    Whether or not they are fit to hold public office is a matter for the electorate. That is and ought to be the only deciding factor in such matters.

  • Paddy

    20.This is very strong evidence of a culture of moral degeneracy within the Shinners which shows that they are unfit to hold public office.

    Whether or not they are fit to hold public office is a matter for the electorate. That is and ought to be the only deciding factor in such matters.

    Not so. It might be time for a backlash to push these Sinn Fein IRA people bag and baggage out of polite society altogether. Much the same happened, for lesser reasons, to The Workers Party. Their links with OIRA eventually did them in. It is time for anyone in Sinn Fein with any self respect to abandon the party. Precedents have been set in Dublin and elsewhere. Get out while you still can.

  • The term republican family which Gerry Adams used so often now makes me shudder, it seems it was the type of family which kept its dark secrets at the expense of its youngest members.

    This is bad, and SF’s reaction to date has made it even worse.

  • seamusmor

    What would one expect off a lot of those gurriers.They were presented as heroes, freedom fighters and what have you. But in reality they were nobodies who saw a chance to make themselves important, and now with the chickens coming home to roost, they are portrayed for what they are.

  • UW, apart from McGuinness being a paramilitary godfather he’s also a family man. He can dish out out barbarism just as easily as human kindness.

  • Alias

    TAF, the electorate could have elected Fred and Rosemary West to public office but it would not alter the fact that both are unfit to hold public office.

  • According to Gerrys blog post he hasnt been involved in any cover-up. Gerry get a life you are not addressing the party die-hards now. I submitted several comments to your blog over the last 2 weeks and surprise surprise none have been published. None of the comments were about the rape/sexual abuse allegations but rather questions I posed to Gerry in his position as a public rep.

    I agree with Mark here re publishing names on this site.We should respect the views of the mods on this one.

  • ranger1640

    Beware who you vote for:

    The question now that needs to be asked, what justice can an ordinary nationalist & republican get if the victim in this case, the nice of Sinn Fein/IRA president and MP for West Belfast, is being obstructed and de-victimized by Sinn Fein/IRA?

    Nationalists & republicans need to remember Sinn Fein/IRA, have form in this type of activity. The recent murders and cover up’s involving Robert McCartney and Paul Quinn, the slow release of information to the families of the disappeared and the character assassination of the disappeared, and the character assassination of Robert McCartney’s sisters and the family of Paul Quinn. Do not bode well for ordinary nationalists & republicans getting Sinn Fein/IRA justice and fairness, even in a paedophile case!!!

    Gerry Adams is a serial denier. Adams the man who all through his life has denied being in the IRA, and has denied his full roll in several infamous incidents during the so called troubles, he even denied knowing if he was abused? So Adams, form in this issue is hardly unfamiliar to him.
    Here I believe is the issue that goes to the heart of the matter an issue that nationalists & republicans are in complete denial about. Adams has blatantly told lies and half truths over many years. He is a master in the tactics of deflection, spin and victim-hood, all the tactics he has used in this case.

    The issue of the blatant lies that Adams is coming out with are of concern for the nationalist & republican voters. They need to re-examine and revaluate what type of people and party they want to represent them.

    The ordinary nationalist & republican needs to get the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, collective monkey off their backs, and see Adams and Sinn Fein/IRA for what they really are. Until ordinary nationalists & republicans, realize that Adams and Sinn Fein/IRA have a vested interest in keeping their communities and electorate subjugated then the cycle of some old, same old in nationalist & republican areas will continue forever.

    I’m sure there are more of these cases, and at some stage they will be forced out, to affect the nationalist & republican communities. Remember Robert McCartney and Paul Quinn, if Sinn Fein/IRA can clean up and cover up murders, there is nothing they won’t stoop too, to cover up for the party’s apparatchiks or other IRA members in a sexual abuse allegation against ordinary nationalist & republican people!!!

    To quote Thomas Jefferson: “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” Change the government, to Sinn Fein and this seems to sum up everything in nationalist & republican communities!!!

  • Mark,

    is this not a problem for Republican dissidents as well as many of them were part of the republican movement when these various activities were taking place?

  • Paddy

    3.Mark,

    is this not a problem for Republican dissidents as well as many of them were part of the republican movement when these various activities were taking place?

    This is a problem of a monolith, Sinn Fein/PIRA abusing its monopoly and its control of violence to prey on the innocent. They are the elephants in the drawing room and in the corridors of power. When you see a leading Provo, you should say: there is a pedo enabler. And if you let them into power, well…..

    As for the so called dissidents, they are in cuckoo land, not in government.

  • Blair

    “This is very strong evidence of a culture of moral degeneracy within the Shinners which shows that they are unfit to hold public office.

    Whether or not they are fit to hold public office is a matter for the electorate. That is and ought to be the only deciding factor in such matters.”

    This will be a test for that very electorate in May. We know that they were happy enough to vote for terrorists. Now we’ll find out if …. [play the ball and not the man – mods]

  • Marcionite

    Adams whatever one may think about him, is not personally responsible for child abuse perpertrated by members of his party. The victims seem to see him as some Don character. If a child of an Alliance party member was being abused, would they ask David Forde to fix it? That may sound a tad trite and I am aware of the Provo schizoid view of the police back then but this is now. They should have no qualms in going to the PSNI at this time. I also know that during the Terror (let’s give it it’s right name, the Troubles is like calling stomach cancer a tummy ache), these General and Lieutentent Sean Cornerboys dare not be questioned by their communities for obvious reasons but if victims have a crime to report now, the PSNI is the way to go.

    I am no fan of Adams at all but let’s be logical. Regarding the guy seen drinking in Letterkenny, what else could Adams have said? Is Adams now an omnipresent barroom bouncer if Ireland?

  • Just heard a strong rumour that tommorrow’s Irish News will name and shame the S/F Councillor..

  • Scaramoosh

    ‘Our revenge will be the laughter of our children’

    What went wrong lads ….?

  • OscarTheGrouch

    I’ve nothing much to say despiite living in a country that has specialised in tragedy, if the Tribune story is true, and lets be honest here, the odds are completely stacked that it is, I feel genuinely sickened.

  • ranger1640

    This has to be a joke http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/16495

    “In the Kilkenny incest case Mrs Justice Catherine McGuinness suggested that ‘the very high emphasis on the rights of the family in the Constitution may consciously or unconsciously be interpreted as giving a higher value to the rights of parents than to the rights of children’ the report recommended an amendment to the Constitution which would include a specific and overt declaration of the rights of born children”

  • Issac Ball

    The first casuality of war ? Who cares ?
    All the liberation struggles of the past 40 years throughout the world fought for one common item – Justice. Maybe I am deluded or forgetful, but all the radical ideas that the republican movement espoused included the vibrant womens groups. Where is their voice now ? Why are they not screaming from the barricades ?
    Ask the families that have dealt with the so-called experts in social services dealing with sexual abuse of children allegations how effective they are. What answers are we getting from Womens Aid etc etc. They too plead the confidentiality clause and expert opinions but little else. Lets hear it from these groups what are societies methods of dealing with this problem.Pathetically useless most of the time but they too claim big salaries.
    Now ask yourselves, and give your immediate gut reaction. What if this was done to your child ?
    Social justice or kangaroo justice ?
    We have the answers and solutions but we choose to ignore them. Live in hope for the following quote or weep !
    “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children”.

  • Mark McGregor

    AR,

    As one blog as put both the alleged names in the public domain it’d be Canutelike to try and keep them quiet now.

  • lorraine

    the horror in all this must be the poor children who were tormented, raped and left in the silence of their suffering, and despair.

    neither adams, the police nor social services lived up to the requirements of their roles in the aine case;
    and now the latest reports of two more victims press ganged by the belfast provo hardmen into maintainging the silence of omerta is just sickening.

  • ranger1640

    There is a lot of helicopter and police activity at Ardoyne at this moment???

  • granni trixie

    Ulsterwatcher: denial of the problem is part of the problem.What is happening to the ‘rep. family’ recently is self inflicted,chickens coming home to roost rather than demonisation without substantial foundation.

    These heartfelt grievances bubbling up shows whatr happens when you have a policing vaccuum, inevitably filled by a crude system for dealing with crime which is not fit for purpose.

  • Comrade Stalin

    These heartfelt grievances bubbling up shows whatr happens when you have a policing vaccuum, inevitably filled by a crude system for dealing with crime which is not fit for purpose.

    Bollocks.

  • granni trixie

    BTW, did anyone notice that some accounts of the case involving Liam Adams, carried the info that he brutalised his first wife who only got respite when he was in jail for IRA crimes. Then he had his first marriage “annulled” ie a catholic style divorce. How weird – points to religious influences that made him toe the Catholic line in one way – yet in other ways he ignored its moral teachings. Nothing new there then.

  • sluggisht

    These heartfelt grievances bubbling up shows whatr happens when you have a policing vaccuum, inevitably filled by a crude system for dealing with crime which is not fit for purpose.
    _______________________________________________

    No, it is showing what happens when the climate of fear is being lifted and the dictator is being seen to fall.

    Being charitable, this is, despite all the establishments best intentions, including the craven media who has propped up the “process” (Hello BBC and RTE, great reporting today – NOT), the unintended outworkings of the peace process taking root. Long may it continue

  • sluggisht

    Sorry, Granni, upon reading again I see I mis-read your original post. I was responding to what I read as why the truth is breaking through the surface now.

  • granni trixie

    I wonder have I been misunderstood due to communicatiing badly? I was referring to the past and no go areas as far as the RUC were concerned. The so called “informal justice system” filled the vaccuum – exiling, pun. beatings,shunning,threats and other intimidation was how local crime was dealt with.

    To underline the point – it didnt work, as the stories of abuse etc demonstrate.

    Hardly bollocks?.

  • Stewart

    Whatever about the part played in this episode by Gerry Adams, why did the police decide to leave this man in a job that could possibly have put children at risk.

    An alleged child abuser is allowed to continue his work with children even after a number of representations to the police.

    And why was clearance given for him to work with children?

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    First things first, the case against LA is a live case, what happened to innocent until proven guilty by a court??

    Secondly, it is my belief that MI5 have had an influence in some way. Does anyone honestly believe that MI5 would not know that GA brother was up to no good, maybe that’s why a European warrant has not been issued, this might be a small passage in a big book!

    It is not the fault of GA, it was, at the end of the day, an issue between his niece and his brother, the RUC and social services. GA as far as I can see has done very little wrong and the blood thirsty press i.e. SB have nothing else to report on, as if the country is a perfect place.

    Trailer trash reporting for trailer trash readers!!

  • Mark I cant find the names on any blog, can you point us in the direction.

  • Raymonds Back

    Well now, where to start with the stories in The Tribune today? Having read all Suzanne’s Breen’s articles and taken on board the point of view that the Republican Movement should have put consideration for the victims before the interests of the organisation, imagine my surprise when I read in the Editorial (p17) that the Sunday Tribune had been doing exactly the same thing it accuses Sinn Féin of. Given that one of the victims requested that no details of her story should be published, how can The Tribune justify publishing it? Or does the Editor think that circulation figures are more important than consideration for the victim?

  • Blair

    “GA as far as I can see has done very little wrong and the blood thirsty press”

    Disgusted,

    So why did he feel the need to lie through his teeth then? You seem to be more disgusted with the press than you are with what happened to these girls, and the way the Sinners covered it all up.

  • Kathy C

    posted by Kathleen Collins

    since gerry adams admits his brother was a treasure of a local sinn fein organization and signed the checks….there should be an immediate audit to see how much money liam signed for and to whom it went…after all…it could have been a way gerry adams used to get money to his brother.
    because gerry adams tried to get ahold of and in charge of the bobby sands trust money…and now with liam having access to a check book…it demands an account of both gerry adams and liam adams finances.

  • Blair

    “Given that one of the victims requested that no details of her story should be published”

    Raymond,

    She did so under pressure from persons unknown, but very obviously Sinners. Do you think they should be allowed to shut her up?

  • granni trixie

    DisgustedinDerry: but the issue is not ‘just’ about an issue between a victime and her family – dont you geddit? This and other similar accounts now breaking out of the silence imposed by intimidation and misplaced loyalties demonstrate that the IRA/SF were corrupt rather like the mafia. If MI5 are interferring,this is beside the point – even GA has agreed that he believes the alleged victims story.

    Get your priorities right – what sort of a new n.irelend do you/we want? Something good will come of letting all the puss out.

  • Raymonds Back

    Hi Blair (I hope you are not THAT Blair)

    With respect, how do you know that she was ut under pressure to retract the story, and why do you assume people from Sinn Féin did it? Maybe her family did it, if she was put under pressure.

    Anyway, the point remains valid: if The Tribune is genuinely interested in the interests of victims, it should not have published the story without her permission.

    By the way, my grammatical parsing of the Breen article re the alleged abuser who is an elected SF representative leads me to conclude that the elected SG representative is a woman – re-reading the article and the type of abuse involved confirms this view.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    Granni trixie,

    I think you should go back to school and learn how to spell and how to use proper grammar!!

  • Blair

    “Hi Blair (I hope you are not THAT Blair)

    With respect, how do you know that she was ut under pressure to retract the story, and why do you assume people from Sinn Féin did it? Maybe her family did it, if she was put under pressure.”

    Raymond,

    I am the Blair. Who are you?

    I would suggest that the Sinners have form. When they tell people to shut up they generally do so very quickly. Hence McCartney, Quinn etc.

    The woman involved was keen to publicise her story and include her photo. Suddenly that stopped. That has Provo intimidation stamped all over it.

    The name of the accused Sinner is apparently out there in the blogosphere.

  • granni trixie

    Disgustedin Derry: I would die v. happy if all that I did wrong in life was to mispell or not use gramatically correct sentences.

  • Raymonds Back

    Hi Blair

    I meant I hope you are not TONY Blair… 🙂

  • Blair

    Raymond,

    That is spelled Bliar.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Blair Witch Project, more like.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    DisgustedInDERRY, I am in Derry too by the way, and I am also disgusted. I suspect thats where we stop having much in common.

    Disgusted doesn’t do it justice – it makes me feel sick to the core.

    Will this Island ever feel clean? (Just add the freedom fighters to the ever growing list….)

    I was kind of enjoying the whole Robinson debacle – scadenfreude I admit, but this story is perhaps the most depressing and soul sickening. Tonight I am truly sad.

  • Ive been furious, shocked and sickened and I hope if the accusations are proved the victims will get the justice they need.

    It occurs to me that many good S/F men were in prison during this period, not just the alleged victims father but many others. It would have left the dregs to roam the streets.

  • DisgustedinDERRY

    OscarTheGrouch,

    I’m Disgusted at the state of this failed political entity and the treatment of our city, so what makes you sick to the core, maybe its the crap in your dustbin?

    I mean only banter by the way!

  • OscarTheGrouch

    No its the crap in our political parties and religous authorities, North and South.

    Sorry I don’t feel in the mood for banter tonight, degraded child sex and physical abuse takes the edge of my humour.

  • Just like to say that the Ardoyne victim’s family don’t want politics clouding the whole issue here or elsewhere…..

    The victim needs justice and prefers to see the alleged abuser in Court, where she belongs to face her peers….

    The victim and her family also want the alleged abuser publically stood down from S/F and her never again to use Irish Republicanism as a protection shield to hide this type of abuse. As it only dishonours and disgraces the whole idealogy and the memory and legacy of their father!

  • al

    Surely if this story is true then the people this woman represents should be made aware of the allegations against her.

  • OscarTheGrouch

    Commenting this morning on the report on clerical sexual abuse of children in the Dublin Diocese Sinn Féin Vice President Mary Lou McDonald said anyone found to have covered up the abuse of children should be arrested and face the full rigours of the law.

  • OscarTheGrouch
  • wee buns

    Ian Bull: Women’s Aid has worked hard at the frontline of this mess and it is coming from a place of ignorance to say otherwise. The truth is that funding for 12 yr long wankfest of benign talks between blokes in Armani suits has taken precedence to the welfare of victims.

    So painful, the post war era; but why the shock horror when everybody knows the moral infrastructure of our society is broken? Broken across the board that is. That reported cases of the beating & rape of girls and women, surged by 300% in the first two years following the implementation of the pacification process, should be an indicator of the amounts of masculine inadequacy involved.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    According to the Bel Tel SF say she has been stood down. It doesn’t say much for her performance as a representative that they had to point this out.

  • Mick Fealty

    Her departure date will be a matter of record, but I suspect she is still a serving councillor. Certainly her page on the SF website has now been removed, but it was up there yesterday morning. Worth noting that Killian Forde’s page came down immediately on departure.

    A bit like Jim Fitz’s question to Arlene Foster yesterday, the timing of these decisions are crucial to understanding why they were made.

  • al

    Is there a statement yet from SF? What does the telegraph say?

  • al
  • al
  • joeCanuck

    I hope if the accusations are proved the victims will get the justice they need.

    Pippikin,
    I agree. But nowhere in the stories do I see that the women have reported their allegations to the PSNI.
    If they don’t do so, the allegations will never be tested in Court and evil bastards may stay free.

  • Paul

    f they don’t do so, the allegations will never be tested in Court and evil bastards may stay free.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 18, 2010 @ 03:14 PM

    totally agree joe the sinn fein councilor has quite rihtly being suspended.do you now think GA should resign yes or no.???

  • joeCanuck

    Paul,
    This is getting really tiring. None of these stories are about ME.
    I explained my position fully a few days ago.

  • tacapall

    #

    f they don’t do so, the allegations will never be tested in Court and evil bastards may stay free.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 18, 2010 @ 03:14 PM

    totally agree joe the sinn fein councilor has quite rihtly being suspended.do you now think GA should resign yes or no.???
    Posted by Paul on Jan 18, 2010 @ 04:20 PM

    Have you got out of your cell up at knockmore and got access to a computer.

  • joeCanuck

    I think the police were informed by Aine back in the eighties, she chose not to pursue the case and the claims, though kept, were never produced as charges.

    The claims by the ladies I think have been in, at least one, case presented to the police, and that case is now with the apparently very slow PPS (public prosecution service.

    If GA cannot extricate himself completely, by showing he did not facilitate the escape of child abusers, then I see no other option for him. At the moment the mud slinging is in danger of covering the whole of S/F. If he cares about the party he will care about that.

  • joeCanuck

    Thanks. Pippakin
    Someone else gave me a link on another thread.

  • tacapall

    At the moment the mud slinging is in danger of covering the whole of S/F. If he cares about the party he will care about that.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 18, 2010 @ 05:15 PM

    Well we have been here before Pip its only that Unionists have very short memories.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home#cite_note-0

    Allegations were later made that the Royal Ulster Constabulary had been informed of the abuse at the home for years previously, but had not moved to prevent it. In his 1999 book The Dirty War, Martin Dillon claims that McGrath may have been employed by MI5 since the 1960s.[1] The tabloid press then linked the home with a whole series of establishment figures without any evidence being provided.

  • tacapall

    I know about Kincora, a shameful affair, that could do with being looked at again. I tried to get through on your link but for some reason Wiki no longer have it.

    The churches (note the ‘s’) hard far too much power, my little blog expands a little on this in item Ten.

    I think the world has moved on since then, most people could only sit and fume before, now sites like this extend and maintain the chase, thank goodness they do.

  • tacapall

    I know about Kincora, a shameful affair, that could do with being looked at again. I tried to get through on your link but for some reason Wiki no longer have it.
    Posted by pippakin on Jan 18, 2010 @ 05:51 PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_boys_home

    Basically Pip the RUC knew about that for years as well but let it go on for blackmail purposes.

  • joeCanuck
  • joeCanuck
  • joeCanuck

    Still doesn’t wok If you go to either of the last 2 links, go down a bit and search for other stories and then go to the first story.

  • tacapall

    Yeah hit the link then follow –
    Search for “Kincora boys home”

  • joeCanuck

    Kincora Boys Home

    Found it!

    And it just goes to prove that we do indeed need to look at all these cases, regardless of religion or political affiliation.

  • Tacapall

    Not to lose sight of the object here, but there should be full and open investigations into all these institutions and any, and I do mean any, found to be abusing or complicit in the abuse of children should be exposed for the perverts they are and sent to prison.

  • tacapall

    Pip has it not dawned on you the common link between most of the allegations today and mentioned in the link above – (Security services) It was not acted upon simply because it was like “currency” people could be bought with it.

  • tacapall

    Do you seriously believe it has not?

    I hope what does come across is my determination not to allow anyone to get away with it.

    Sure, theres no rush, these cases appear historic, but S/F activist, RUC police, priest, reverend, or care worker, they should be exposed, tried and sentenced.

    In fact I think Im flattered I have not taken sides, and it shows, evidently to the point of disbelief!

  • joeCanuck

    After the report on the abuse in Dublin, the Justice Minister in the Republic said that, no matter what their age, those involved would be vigorously pursued and brought to the Court. They know their names.
    Has anyone heard of charges being laid? No? Thought so.

  • Alias

    “It was not acted upon simply because it was like “currency” people could be bought with it.”

    Very true, Tac. And you might also ponder why did the leadership of the Shinners leave their members in place when they were vulnerable to compromise by the Security Service via their sexual perversions?

    Was it because they’re rather stupid and didn’t know that has been a prime method of recruiting informers since time began or was it because their handlers in the Security Service were calling the shots?

    It’s either one or the other.

  • tacapall

    #

    After the report on the abuse in Dublin, the Justice Minister in the Republic said that, no matter what their age, those involved would be vigorously pursued and brought to the Court. They know their names.
    Has anyone heard of charges being laid? No? Thought so.
    Posted by joeCanuck on Jan 18, 2010 @ 07:07 PM

    Of course you’re right JoeC, but just being exposed “here” is enough to make you want to take a long holiday.

  • Jimmy_Sands

    “Has anyone heard of charges being laid?”

    Perhaps that could have been phrased better.

  • joeCanuck

    I know, and to the best of my knowledge they have not, but then it could be argued that all investigations here have been as the result of outside pressure, and were if anything, delayed by government. It will need, and will I am sure, eventually get investigations into every parish before we know the full story here.

    It will need the same agitation in the north and that is happening here and now, clearly starting with S/F.

    I hope I have not changed the subject too much, I have not forgotten what this is about.

  • Alias

    Good one, Jimmy.

  • tacapall

    Very true, Tac. And you might also ponder why did the leadership of the Shinners leave their members in place when they were vulnerable to compromise by the Security Service via their sexual perversions?
    Posted by Alias on Jan 18, 2010 @ 07:13 PM

    Because it seems the very people that were positioned to counter british intelligence were the ones promoting it.

  • Jimmy-Sands Alias

    Nice!