“There are still days left to Christmas..”

I’ve had to separate this clip from the previous post due to technical issues. Anyway, here’s the blogging Ken Reid’s studio analysis of that press conference. As I said, it sounds as if there was another “We’re not in May” moment too.

Video courtesy of UTV. Update As spiritof07 points out in the comments zone, here’s a more explicit paragraph from the Ashdown Interim Report – which contains the signature of, amongst others, Sean Murray.

“Consistent with our desire to re-connect parading and related issues to the political process, we believe that their effective resolution can best be achieved within the wider context of the transfer of policing and justice, while recognising that the timing of these matters remains the prerogative of members of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Government.”

As I said previously, that linkage, and others, was also being noted by Mark Devenport’s anonymous sources in April 2009.

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  • spiritof07

    There is no point in McGuinness shaking his head while Robbo points out the linkage between the Ashdown review of parading and devolution of P&J. Here is what the interim report, unanimously issued, says:

    “Consistent with our desire to re-connect parading and related issues to the political process, we believe that their effective resolution can best be achieved within
    the wider context of the transfer of policing and
    justice, while recognising that the timing of these matters remains the prerogative of members of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Government.”

    The panel includes SF appointees.

  • shorty

    Its noticeable that the said Mr Murrsy seems to have adopted a much lower profile in recent times since this matter arose. There seems to be less photo appearances, etc, or comments by the same man appearing in the local press such as the Irish News or A’town News.

  • Prior to 1998 and perhaps for a short period afterwards SF had the technical support of some very capable politicians and senior civil servants. It’s hardly surprising that things haven’t gone so well since they’ve had to rely on their own somewhat meager intellectual resources.

  • Northern FF

    Has any of the mainstream media picked up on the point from Spirit of 07?

    Maybe I’m being niaive, but is this not a fairly important point??

  • Pete Baker

    Northern FF

    “Maybe I’m being niaive, but is this not a fairly important point??”

    You’d think so, wouldn’t you?

    But it seems some prefer to attempt pop-psychology based on body language.

    Rather than checking the source.

  • Neil

    There were some useful signs – for instance, Martin McGuinness used a measuring gesture to define the size of the problem, but he was bringing his hands closer together and then he linked his fingers, almost implying that he genuinely does believe there could be a resolution.

    LOL what a load of wank. Almost implying eh, that’s a bit of a get out isn’t it. A bit like the weatherman saying sunshine and showers; means fuck all. Could have been just a gesture maybe?

    Perhaps their words and tone might have helped carry the message over Judi, and perhaps you’ve misread the situation, subconsciously you think ‘I’m a psychologist, I can tell what they think by their body language’ while ignoring the fact that they’re articulating what they think verbally.

    I think they need to be told to play together nicely.

    I think you need to be told to catch yourself on. ‘Play together nicely’ now let me try a bit of the old amateur psychology myself, I think you’ve a massive chip on your shoulder causing you to be excessively condescending to people who matter much much more than psychobabble bullshit artists (and I don’t think OFMDFM matter too much, really. Just much more than people who fill the world with gas talking through their arses).

    They didn’t look like the best of buddies, but funnily enough, there was something about the honesty in the disagreement that could lead to agreement in the long term

    Sunshine and showers again. They’re having a disagreement, but there’s something about the disagreement that may lead to agreement in the long term. Well duh. The only way that pointless statement could be false would be if they agreed with each other in the first place. In which case some waste of space would be on reading the body language saying how deep down this agreement, could conceivably turn to disagreement at some point because martin had a poppy seed stuck in his teeth.

    Bit of a rant, but that shit bothers me.

  • Northern FF

    Neil, thank you.

    A tour de force.

  • Dave

    Game theory (Mick’s favourite is the prisoner’s dilemma) and complexity theory (a united Ireland will occur as a non-deterministic emergent phenomena and therefore no linear progression is required) are two common enough props used in NI’s peace processing but you could reasonably expect that things are getting a bit desperate when the media resorts to pundits in non-verbal communication in order to prop-up the faltering process. What next? A mind-reader or a psychic?

    It would seem, however, that the Shinners have already conceded that the contentious parades issue should be linked to the devolution of P & J. I guess they just haven’t found a way to break it to their supporters yet.

  • Pete Baker

    Worth pointing out that UTV Live were at it as well. [UTV Live player link – 5th report on list]