Doctors demand new inquest into David Kelly’s death

According to the BBC, a group of doctors has begun a legal challenge to the Hutton inquiry into Dr. David Kelly’s death. They base this on the grounds that is was not a proper coroner’s inquest and that Hutton was not a coroner. The group further claim that the knife used to slash Dr. Kelly’s wrists had no finger prints on it (his own or others) despite him not having worn gloves. In addition they claim that the amount of coproxamol in his blood was inadequate to cause death as were the cuts on his body. There have been dark mutterings for years about the death of Dr. Kelly; many have been conspiracy theories but this group is a fairly august one and seems to be avoiding outlandish claims; hence, making it difficult to dismiss it and its members out of hand though similar claims have been made and rejected previously.

  • RepublicanStones

    Didn’t Dr Kelly say to a friend on the phone during a converstaion about the ‘sexing up’…

    “Don’t be surprised if they find my body in the woods.”

    Has there been a plausible explanation as to why the good Dr would want to top himself?

  • Dave

    If he didn’t commit suicide, the SIS would have to kill him to shut him (and others) up. I would think that Blair ordered him silenced and that was that.

    They should have done a better job than they did, e.g. leaving enough packets of pills at the scene to suggest an overdose but not being able to get Kelly to ingest all of them, leaving a knife but forgetting to get Kelly’s fingerprints on it, and attaching a heart monitor to make sure he was dead but forgetting to remove the pads, etc.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Turgon ,what if your fellow loyal subjects did it in “defence of the realm” does it not make you wonder what exactly has being going on here?

  • Wilde Rover

    Dave,

    “They should have done a better job than they did, e.g. leaving enough packets of pills at the scene to suggest an overdose but not being able to get Kelly to ingest all of them, leaving a knife but forgetting to get Kelly’s fingerprints on it, and attaching a heart monitor to make sure he was dead but forgetting to remove the pads, etc.”

    Yes, it does seem a very sloppy way to suicide someone.

  • Dave

    It’s also an intellectually sloppy way for Dr Kelly to commit suicide since cutting the ulnar artery crossways would not cause him to bleed to death but would simply cause him a lot of pointless pain as he would also be cutting through ligaments and nerves. Indeed, as the MoD’s leading biochemical expert, he’d likely have access to the same painless and traceless fast-acting nerve agents that undoubtedly killed him. If self-administered, then why bother with the staged drama of classic suicide methods such as overdoses and wrist-cutting?

  • Jimmy Sands

    Does Gilligan have an alibi?

  • Dave

    Well, it wasn’t Mossad anyway. They’d just fling you out of a 20th floor hotel window or strangle you with piano wire. 😉

  • Voodoo Histories

    Given the political climate, there was always going to be some sort of Iraq Inquiry.

    Now that we have it, the major curiosity is not the evidence since we’ve heard it all before, but the makeup of the inquiry committee and the strange ommission of those who haven’t been called to give evidence.

    Craig Murray, who knows these inquiry characters, has given his own factual assessment of their suitability:

    November 24, 2009

    Iraq Inquiry: The First Big Lie

    Sir John Chilcot was just ten minutes in to the first public session of the Iraq Inquiry when he told the first big lie – and a lie which, when examined, exposes the entire charade.

    “My colleagues and I come to this inquiry with an open mind.”

    That is demonstrably untrue. Three of the five members – Rod Lyne, Martin Gilbert and Lawrence Freedman – are prominent proponents of the Iraq war. By contrast, nobody on the committee was in public against the invasion of Iraq. How can it be fine to pack the committee with supporters of the invasion, when anyone against the invasion was excluded?

    Let us look at that committee:

    …in short, the committee – all appointed by Gordon Brown – have been very obviously picked to provide a complete whitewash. They are people whose attitudes and mindset lead them to accept the war as justified without the need for conscious connivance on their part. But if conscious connivance should be required, they are just the boys for it.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

    There are many who are wondering why they haven’t been called by Chilcot, and then there are those who cannot be called.

    I suppose Dr David Kelly and Robin Cook might have provided interesting testimony, no matter how the inquiry team were skewed, but now we’ll never know…

  • Panic, These ones like it up em.

    Voodoo Histories said

    “I suppose Dr David Kelly and Robin Cook might have provided interesting testimony, no matter how the inquiry team were skewed, but now we’ll never know…”
    Some ruthless fella said “when a man is a problem no man no problem”

    I hope or would prefer to think that the methods of this ruthless man were not used here.

    There is no one out there that I would trust to tell us the truth (sadly)

  • Danny O’Connor,

    You are awful, but I like it 😉

    More on this here

    http://www.organizedrage.com/2009/07/did-blair-government-have-hand-in.html

  • Comrade Stalin

    Turgon,

    This is off topic but are you going to cover the subject of Jim Allister’s failure to act against your fellow party member raising a petition to have a convicted murderer released from jail ? Do you think the 2000 people who signed the petition were all TUV voters ?

  • greagoir o frainclin

    What!….”Jim Allister’s failure to act against your fellow party member raising a petition to have a convicted murderer released from jail ?”

    …..and Turgon has totally ignored it. No grandiose allegory, no comparison to historical events.

    BTW, very fishy Kelly’s death,…. who really knows the extent of skullduggery to which the security forces got up to in the north. The CIA thought them well.

  • Turgon

    Comrade,
    Telling lies is of course one of your fortes. As you well know I have commented on it in reply to you here. Unlike you I did not duck the issue and immediately condemned it unlike you when Naomi Long helped Dawn Purvis. Initially you told lies saying that it was untrue and then minimised it.

    I might ask for an apology but from a lying hypocrite who knows I have answered the question such as you I will not expect one.

  • heck

    the death of david kelly is another reason why we can’t have those responsible for murder in government

  • exile

    Turgon,

    Nothing that is morally wrong can be politically right.

  • Turgon

    exile,
    Yes I agree; I guess that is why I condemned the petition etc.

  • exile

    So why then does Jim Allister choose to tolerate immoral beings within his political party?

  • RepublicanStones

    Turgs, whats your take on the whole Dr Kelly ‘suicide’?

  • Turgon

    RS,
    Difficult one. He may have killed himself. People can die from things which may not always be fatal in other people. As an example a major injury may kill some and not others. Clearly some injuries are incompatible with life but there are some which could kill some and not others. I am in no way sufficiently expert to comment on Dr. Kelly’s case though he seems to have had pretty minimally life threatening injuries and poisoning.

    If he was murdered my guess would be that he was injected with something like potassium and then the injection site cut to make it look like he had slashed his wrists. Since cells leak potassium after death you would not be able to tell that he had had the potassium injected (potassium is one of the ingredients in most American lethal injections).

    As to who might have wanted to kill him: the list would clearly include Iraq and also potentially our government. He might have been able to reveal that he had had personal conversations with Blair: who knows.

    One argument against conspiracy theories is that governments are so notoriously leak prone the chances of as serious a thing as this would be kept secret is fairly low: not impossible but low.

  • Wilde Rover

    Turgon,

    “One argument against conspiracy theories is that governments are so notoriously leak prone the chances of as serious a thing as this would be kept secret is fairly low: not impossible but low.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bletchley_Park#After_the_war

  • Turgon

    Wilde Rover,
    Fair point; I had not thought about that. I guess I would suggest that in the case of Bletchley practically everyone in Britain was in favour of the war and hence, there was little dissent and few if any will have felt what was done at Bletchley was anything other than morally virtuous.

    In the putative case of murdering Dr. Kelly the moral legitimacy would clearly be vastly more shaky. As such the general willingness to keep silent would be much less. I agree, however, than in the murder of Dr. Kelly conspiracy it would have involved many fewer people than the likes of Bletchey.

    I guess if I was to make a call based on my limited knowledge I would call it an open verdict to an inquest.

  • Dave

    Turgon, you’re assuming that an eminent scientist like Dr. Kelly would not have known that cutting the ulnar artery horizonically would not cause him to bleed to death, whereas cutting it vertically would have that outcome (since the cut could be as long as it needed to be in order to cause profuse bleeding). I find that incredible.

    By the way, thanks for the potassium tip and how to cover up the method of injection. That might come in useful if I ever need to dispose of my spouse without also disposing of half my net worth (modest as it is).

  • Dave

    Incidentally, it’s not that the flow is faster if the cut is longer – it’s that there is no possibility of self-sealing the cut so the loss is greater.

  • Fr McGee

    The biggest scandal in the Catholic Church in recent centuries is allowing Killer Blair to join our ranks. Unless this is linked with the Anglo Catholic jackpot, it makes no sense.

  • aquifer

    “the death of david kelly is another reason why we can’t have those responsible for murder in government”

    Heck. Are you an Irish Republican or no?

  • Pigeon Toes

    David Kelly sister is a plastic surgeon, I know that many of her colleagues have always questioned his death.

    But even they are pissing in the wind if they think they will ever get to the bottom of it.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Mick Hall
    I see that Turgon is not so wise on this issue;cast out the mote and all that.

  • Jimmy Sands

    I find a useful test for conspiracy theories is whether anyone believes it who doesn’t want it to be true. I have to admit rooting in the 80s for Thatcher to be charged with Hilda Murrel’s murder. Embarrassing to think about it now.

  • Wilde Rover

    Turgon,

    “As such the general willingness to keep silent would be much less.”

    I would think that if I were involved in whacking someone who knew too much and was about to blab I would keep my big mouth shut out of fear of a similar fate, and to hell with the morality.

    But then again, I’m not that brave;)