Kane throws down the gauntlet to Allister

Alex Kane, in today’s News Letter, whilst taking a side swipe at the DUP, challenges Jim Allister to outline a ‘viable and available alternative’. Alex is of course the UUP’s Director of Communications. He asserts that neither the British or Irish Goverment will agree to enact legislation allowing voluntary coalition which would exclude the largest Nationalist party. Alex does however suggest that the ‘Allister dynamic’ may inject change to the Institutions.

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  • fair_deal

    I’m one of those sad individuals who read party manifestos and some of the TUV’s catch lines don’t stand up to scrutiny in terms of the how.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    fair_deal,

    If SF dont feel inclined to go along with the DUP ‘medicine’ as you put it on the other thread, do you think that the UUP might start, as this thread seems to indicate, to start to sound more pro-agreement (pro police transfer) in tone and look for the more moderate Unionist vote knowing the DUP will have to fight over the anti-agreement vote with the TUV.

    Wee Reggie would surely try any trick to get his own back on the DUP?

  • fair_deal

    Sammy

    “do you think that the UUP might start, as this thread seems to indicate, to start to sound more pro-agreement (pro police transfer) in tone and look for the more moderate Unionist vote knowing the DUP will have to fight over the anti-agreement vote with the TUV.”

    It needs to be remembered that the UUP tried a comparable approach in 2007 – Reg guaranteed a government come what may, no preconditions (although he likes to pretend otherwise today) – it delivered their worst Assembly result ever.

    The more liberal element in the UUP and some of the Tories would probably have sympathy with what you advocate but where the alliance will fall apart is in the UUP Assembly party. The cosying up to the TUV is not so much a Westminster strategy but an Assembly one. In 2011 TUV transfers could decide who is the largest Unionist party. The maths also shows there are more TUV votes than Alliance.

    This leaves the non-voting ‘garden centre’ prod which IMO is a media myth. Prods who go to garden centre’s generally vote.

    The electoral evidence to date is that these ‘moderate’ Unionist voters either don’t exist or are the laziest or hardest to please section of voters there has ever been because any Unionist party that targets them in the hope of growth does not see any electoral rewards (usually the reverse).

    The decline in Unionist turnout is much much more a working class phenomenon but nice people in party branches and elected reps don’t want to do the hard slog in estates to push that up preferring to fantasise about lots of nice middle class people they can get to vote instead in the nice areas (Sorry that was probably a bit too scathing but with an element of truth to it).

    So the evidence would lead me to say no but if they do, I wouldn’t expect it to work.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    fair_deal,

    RE. “The decline in Unionist turnout is much much more a working class phenomenon but nice people in party branches and elected reps don’t want to do the hard slog in estates to push that up preferring to fantasise about lots of nice middle class people they can get to vote instead in the nice areas”

    That is a highly amusing idea – rather than the concept of potentially new previously sleeping Unionist voters waking up when they smell the constitutional coffee it is more a case of the existing ones being to too lazy to save the Union.

    But, I take your substantive point that the UUP may not stray too far from base camp given what happended in 2007.

    But surely this will try the patience of the Tories who will be seen to be linked to a party that is effectively anti-agreemnet and being told so not only by Nationalism but also by the Alliance party and the 3 governments (in whats left of Labour’s term).

  • fair_deal

    Sammy

    “the existing ones being to too lazy to save the Union.”

    Not laziness per se. Decline of party membership and thus activity, decline of impersonation, literacy, decline of families, dependency culture, years with politicians with limited power etc

    “this will try the patience of the Tories who will be seen to be linked to a party that is effectively anti-agreemnet”

    I believe you are investing a level of caring in the Tories that I doubt exists whatever Cameron says in a speech. (Although post Lisbon climbdown not much to take from Cameron’s word). Although those in the UUP would tell you very different honest guv. They want to say they run across the Uk and if they can pick up a seat or two all the better beyond that I don’t think they are looking much more out of it.

    Also I think that no one in the national media will take the slightest bit of notice of the potential issues you mention. The exclusion of the Assembly from the deal/pact/partnership gives plausible deniability at the moment.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    fair_deal,

    re. “The exclusion of the Assembly from the deal/pact/partnership gives plausible deniability at the moment.”

    Fair point.

  • Panic, These Ones Likes It Up Them.

    Jim Allister is inhabiting Unionist Cloud Cuckoo Land. Maybe thats a happy place to be.

    But Unionist Cloud Cuckoo Land does not exist any more. I know that it is kind of sad to tell Unionists (dreamboys like Jim that is) that Unionist Cloud Cuckoo Land no longer exists.

    Could some one make a gentle approach, whisper this terrible reality in Jimbos ear and then make a hasty retreat as people inhabiting Unionist Cloud Cuckoo Land may react in an uber-balistic fashion