Latest from IMC report: former Provos helping ‘dissidents’…

‘Former Republican terrorists have as individuals provided services in some instances to dissident republican groups.’ That is one of the conclusions of the latest Independent Monitoring Commission’s reports. The report goes on to say ‘This is not surprising following the dissolution of PIRA’s structures’. The report says there is no evidence of any IRA activity. The Commission says the threat from dissident republicans is at an all time high.

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  • Tim

    But surely most Republican dissidents are former provos?

  • loki

    Not surprised that former Provos are helping dissidents. Sure aren’t former DUP helping dissident unionists?

  • cut_the_bull

    Thats a good point most diissidents would be former provos as it is the SinnFein stratedgy that they are dissenting from.
    Just what is the IMC being payed for as any child in the street could have came up with that one.
    A waste of money

  • Sean

    cut the bull

    Yeah seems a no brainer to me

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Didnt the IMC also send a timely message to anti-agreement Unionists that the delay in transferring police was encouraging the dissers?

  • al

    I think it is common knowledge now that there is a small number of ex-provos intent on causing social disorder. I was watching a programme the other night in which a former SAS soldier said that once you get involved in guns the thrill is so great that you simply cannot change. The shootings in Belfast(1) and Derry(2) seem to me to be the work of some crazed men addicted to violence. They use the claim that the people they target are involved with drugs or other forms of anti-social behaviour and seem to use this as a legitimising factor for their actions.

    The police as we all know are nothing short of useless but vigilante actions are not the answer and people who support these actions don’t seem to realise that they are simply feeding the beast. These men seem to get a thrill from shooting people. If it continues and these men get the support from their communities (which I don’t think they have at present) then who knows who their next target will be? Shooting Loyalist dealers for example is just going to create a shit storm.

    I can’t see things falling apart soon but if tit-for-tat killings start again it will only cause the escalation of tribal warfare and who knows where that could lead.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I am completely opposed to punishment attacks.

    But my own experience with anti-social behaviour has made me understand what pushes some people into getting the paramilitaries involved. The police seem to be powerless to stop the activities of children aged anywhere between 7 up to about 18 who smash things, steal things, light fires everywhere, get involved in housebreaking, etc. They never get caught and as such they act with impunity.

    In one particular case I was aware of, a resident visited the parent of the youth that they had seen engaging in this behaviour. The parent actually lied to help cover for the kid; said that the kid had been in the house the whole time. When you go to court it’s your word against theirs. It is unsurprising that people turn to the paramilitaries when the legitimate forces of law and order are completely ineffective.

  • al

    Fair point Comrade and I agree it is unsurprising but the incidents recently in Derry and Belfast seem to be drug related. They may well be protecting their communities from the local spides but they don’t do this out of the kindness of their hearts. They want to create a drug monopoly and they have the power to do so unless the public turns around and says no we don’t want these punishment attacks anymore

  • Comrade Stalin

    al, I am well aware of the objectives of the paramilitaries in being seen to be vigilantes. It gives them authority and breaks down the links between the police and the community.

    But when your life is being ruled by this anti-social activity (whether it involves drug dealing or not), it is very difficult to resist the temptation to turn to anyone whom you think might be able to put a stop to it, irrespective of the downsides.

    The only solution to it is for the police and courts to be tougher on this type of crime so that the community has the confidence that they can stick their neck out to identify those involved, secure in the knowledge that they will be punished.

  • paddy

    all x provos started helping dissedents when sf was that far sucked in by the brits they couldnt come of with their oul crack do u know who youre talking to when slabbering in pubs they need backings when young lads started slapping them nothing to do with a ui

  • LURIG

    Probably some truth in that Paddy, there are ex-prisoners in their 40’s and 50’s who are being laughed at and threatened in the streets and many of them have had enough. Add to that the scumbags terrorising communities, drugs, crime, anti social behaviour, the inability of ex-prisoners to get decent jobs because of their convictions while senior Republicans coin it in, Sinn Fein being bossed about by the DUP etc and you have a quite a crowd of seriously pissed off people out there. Many have seen none of the benefits of the Peace Process and probably have said “Fuck it I have gained NOTHING and have NOTHING to lose”. I don’t agree with the dissidents strategy I am just telling it as it is in many of these areas.

  • al

    http://cfadardoyne.blogspot.com/2009/11/cfad-reject-imc-claims.html#comments

    Interesting that they don’t condemn attacks but merely distance themselves from them. Also a look at the links on their site seem to suggest that they are not just a pressure group.

  • Brian MacAodh

    When one’s self image is that of a resistance fighter/guerrilla, and you have put your whole life into it, what happens when that part of your life is over with?

    What job skills do you have? What status do you have in the community? How do you get your thrills?

    It’s not surprising some are going back to the cult of the gun.

  • al

    Brian it’s certainly not surprising but more has to be done to prevent this. I would be interested to know how many punishment shootings end up in court. By not handing these people in to the law the community are giving them tacit consent to continue their activities. It’s all very well keeping your head down but what message is this sending to youngsters growing up in these communities.

    If the community were to unite against these actions perhaps for the first time in 40 years there would be peace in these areas of Derry and Belfast.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    re. “When one’s self image is that of a resistance fighter/guerrilla, and you have put your whole life into it, what happens when that part of your life is over with? ”

    Stormo?

  • k

    Al, there would not be peace in these areas (which you clearly have never lived in). There would be a lack of dissident activity. That is not the same thing. There is less political violence in republican areas nowadays but there is not peace.
    The level of crime and anti-social behaviour is at an all time high. While the PSNI refuse or are incapable of acting there will be room for the dissidents.
    As for your claim that they are simply trying to create a drugs monopoly that’s just laughable. What evidence do you have for this?
    People want proper courts and due process but where the state fails, vigilantes step in.

  • al

    The police can’t act because of the dissidents. Remove the dissidents and anti-social behaviour will decrease. They breed hatred which youngsters will see as the norm.

    You’re right I’ve never lived in areas like this but it doesn’t take someone to live there to know that the dissidents are selfish, hateful, scum who simply hold their communities in the past.

  • Rory Carr

    …which reminds me – aren’t Protestants simply dissident former Catholics? And aren’t both lots nothing but dissident former pagans?

    And don’t get me going about reformed drunks and born again sex maniacs.

    I was a good little boy meself once upon a time…