NAMA snub highlights need for Northern representation in Oireachtas

Despite Sammy Wilson’s valiant efforts to make sure Northern Ireland had a seat at the NAMA table, Dublin has said no.

Over on O’Conall Street I argue this highlights the need for Northern representation in the Irish Senate.

  • Drumlins Rock

    Do you think the southern 26 should be at westminister too? I’m sure British banks hold a ocnsiderable amount of Irish assets too…

  • guest

    I don’t think many Irish people would want the United Kingdom having representation in the Irish Senate.

  • Pete Baker

    No representation without taxation.

    Which, I know, some would be perfectly happy with.

    But that’s not where we are.

    And those in the Republic know it.

    Unlike the political psychotics to the north..

  • UK banks do of course have exposure in Ireland but nothing like the impact NAMA will have in Belfast.

  • Pete Baker

    Conall

    It’s what diplomacy is for.

  • Glensman

    What harm can Conall’s idea do?

  • borderline

    Unionists would be fools to accept seats in the Oireachtas – Dáil or Seanad.

    Both are majoritarian institutions with no special arrangements for the minority community, unlike in NI.

  • Glensman

    The SDLP accepted their seats in Westminster…

  • OC

    NI could always nationalise these properties, like Castro.

  • Glensman

    Then who’d build the roads north of the border?

  • In the same way the SDLP can justify its participation in the British legislative process because of its impact on Irish people, I think the time has home to relfect on the opportunity a role in the sothern legislative process would offer us as a region. Apart obvioulsy from giving us a formal role when someting is being done which is against our regional interet like NAMA.

    The war is over and we all need to think hard about what is best for NI, not just what is best for nationalists or unionists. Surely being part of the decision making process on issues which affect this region be it in London, Dublin or Brussles is what is best for us all.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Conall,

    this arguement may be waged in the language of practial economics but will be won or lost on the basis of ideology. Any closer parliamentary link to ROI would be resisted by Unionists (except perhaps the Alliance) simply because they are Unionists.

    What is a shame and extremely ironical is that the DUP should request cooperation and that be declined by FF – the Republican Pary (Tá lá ár imithe). They certainly should have had the courtesy and the sense to have considered how best to to maximise this opportunity for future cooperation with Unionists.

  • fin

    Sammy, possibly not, unionism didn’t want to know about the South, than something came up and they did, its no harm to slap Sammy down.

    To rub it in they should contact Ritchie direct to discuss the sale or lease of NAMA controlled properties in NI for social housing.

    As their hardline supporters on slugger prove repeatedly the UUP, DUP, and TUV are lost causes, the answer to every question is NO.

    Time to start talking to the ordinary decent unionists and build bridges directly with them

  • John

    Conall, I quite enjoy most of your posts, but do you have to shamelessly plug your own website in every single article?

  • Conall,

    Your argument doesn’t hold water. If NI should be represented in the Senate because NAMA may have effects across the border, then why not have Wales or Scotland or Portugal represented? I’m sure Irish banks have assets there too.

  • Mack

    Andrew –

    Did the Portuguese finance minister ask for a say in the Irish decision making process?

    Limited speaking rights in the Seanad could be useful. We should do it primarily because having northern voices with a different perspective could benefit us and the quality of our legislation. Especially if they have practical experience of the legislation being introduced already.

  • fin

    Of course having reject my generous offer to assist with managing your property portfolio in NI it would be regrettable if anything was to happen to your houses there such as several accidently burning down…………….

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    Mack,

    “Limited speaking rights in the Seanad could be useful”

    Prods limited to 5 minutes, SF (Northern wing) limited to 4 – good old Free-Statery-mentality.

    Fin, ” unionism didn’t want to know about the South”. Well they do now, piss-poor-cant-see-past-the-of-the-nose-stuff from the ‘Republican’ party.

  • Coll Ciotach

    No need to worry too much, FF will have representation in the north which will be able to sort out these things

  • Mack

    It was Sammy –

    You don’t live in a United Ireland yet, you have make sensible arguments for such things (giving external representatives elected under a foreign constituition & foreign laws a say in governing the country is likely a big deal to most down here – just look at the debate on Lisbon ;-).

  • “No representation without taxation.”

    Amen.

  • Gertntfe

    As Spanish owned banks are moving towards a strong holding on the local high street perhaps we should be looking for seats in Madrid?

    Unionists are happy to cooperate with Dublin and expect the same in return. That’s what most unionists voted for, including the mythical “ordinary decent unionists” so beloved of Republicans’ fantasies.

    Good neighbours live comfortably next door to each other they don’t move into the back bedroom.

  • Coll Ciotach

    Indeed gertntfe unfortunately the neighbour has moved in and insists on staying beyond her welcome.

    Conall – some of us prefer to think of what is best for Ireland.

  • Sean

    Coll

    as the old saying goes “after 3 days guests and fish both begin to stink”