North Antrim an area of great tension

In the last six weeks or more areas of North Antrim have become serious hot-spots in Northern Ireland. Last night Rasharkin Orange Hall was attacked again with petrol bombs and left with scribbles of ‘CIRA’ and ‘Remember 81’ all over it. Sinn Fein’s Daithí McKay has been a regular contributor on the issue. I have fears that Sinn Fein are contributing to the tensions in the area. Whilst they have condemned attacks on Protestant homes they are failing to lead their people from the front. How about the word ‘respect’? Republicans are relatively new to the area, Protestants have lived there for many generations but are now however expected to roll over for them. Protestants are also being chased out of the area now.

* Right, I have decided to close this thread. The comments already posted should still be visable. I do this as requested by some readers and also the fact that I can’t monitor this thread 24/7. Some of the comments were getting a little below the belt.The media as a whole seems to focus less on the assault on Protestants and more on the general situation, especially around parades. Lets face it the Parades issue will never be resolved. Republicans will not see the parade stopped, even the Parades Commission has said that. They don’t have the power.

On Thursday evening DUP Councillor John Finlay, who I know has been working hard on this issue, attended the meeting in Rasharkin between the Residents’ and the Parades Commission. He was hounded and heckled as he spoke. Where was the respect?

Protestants in the area are facing something comparable to ethnic cleansing. No ifs no buts. If Protestants are supposedly to be welcomed into a United Ireland, as Adams recently advocated again, where is the evidence?

  • RepublicanStones

    Nevin, just a word of advice, you know you’re heading in the wrong direction when you’re getting compliments from UMH.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘Loyalist culture has spread all across the globe, and one of the best loyalist marching bands is Blackskull from Glasgow, just check out this for quality’

    Indeed it has….all the way to Glasgow. Does that globe of yours have a switch to light it up at night for you?

    Anyone else notice the few vids of republican bands didn’t have them tramping through predominantly unionist neighbourhoods.

  • Drummer Boy

    “If unionist bloggers are defending the right of the UDA and UVF to march in Catholic villages”

    When unionists signed up to the GFA they accepted *terrorists* in govt

    Unionists accepted some nationalists were terrorists, nationalists cant seem to be capable of reciprocating this gesture

    sometimes i wish unionists had elected people like billy “king rat” wright and Johnny “mad dog” adair into stormont. Minister for Education MLA Billy Wright.

    But then again upon reflection, im glad we didn’t. We all know who voted the terrorists into governance, and that says alot for me.

    time and time again on slugger unionists are told jimmy sands et al are “heroes to nationalism” and “unionists should respect” that………funny when the shoe is on the other foot………all jimmy done was burn a protestant furniture shop down……..but I suppose some people have low ideals in life to treat such people as heroes.

    anyways were here to stay so enjoy my next installment………

  • Drummer Boy

    “Indeed it has….all the way to Glasgow. Does that globe of yours have a switch to light it up at night for you?”

    I have traveled the world over, I own a very successful Hi Tec business, and (probably) have more money than you can dream of, I own three prestige cars and two houses, and have several letters after my name.

    many years ago when i was younger i was in a blood and thunder band, and I *loved* it and it will stay with me for the rest of my life, and i make a point of suporting said. im only posting here about my enjoyment of bands (a positive) you reply is a (very negative)
    immature response.

    so keep posting your petty, snide remarks, but I know who the fool is.

    “Anyone else notice the few vids of republican bands didn’t have them tramping through predominantly unionist neighbourhoods”

    No, but there was a TYV earlier of a republican band traming through a graveyard………but then again the occupants of said and yourself are their only audience, so i suppose that is to them what wembley was to Queen.

  • only asking

    time and time again on slugger unionists are told jimmy sands et al are “heroes to nationalism

    Do you mean Bobby?

  • michael

    “I have traveled the world over, I own a very successful Hi Tec business, and (probably) have more money than you can dream of, I own three prestige cars and two houses, and have several letters after my name.”

    I’ve got a robotic arm with a built in flux capacitor that lets me visit ancient mesopotamia where (or would that be were) I sleep with millions of ladies and punch lions. I also own more of those little battery powered drummer and cymbal monkeys than you have ever dreamed of.

    Which I’m beating is alot.

    I love teh intarweb brags.

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘I have traveled the world over, I own a very successful Hi Tec business, and (probably) have more money than you can dream of, I own three prestige cars and two houses, and have several letters after my name.’

    Sure….which is why your on the internet at night posting clips of loyalist bands.

  • latcheeco

    “Loyalist culture stretches across the globe…” Priceless! Does he mean that Pride of the Maine is the new Riverdance or is he refering to Holy Cross School’s global coverage? Saturday night is comedy gold on Slugger.

  • Drummer Boy

    “I have traveled the world over, I own a very successful Hi Tec business, and (probably) have more money than you can dream of, I own three prestige cars and two houses, and have several letters after my name.”

    I’ve got a robotic arm with a built in flux capacitor that lets me visit ancient mesopotamia where (or would that be were) I sleep with millions of ladies and punch lions. I also own more of those little battery powered drummer and cymbal monkeys than you have ever dreamed of.

    heheheh i can tell from your post “YOU” own fuck all………..im not saying any more, i don’t need to prove myself to anyone.

    Im not going to waste any of my precious time REPLYING to any nationalist posters on this thread.

    I think it is a *GOOD* thing, threads like this encourage PUL’s to post, and maybe some will take slug’s offer to write articles on here. But then maybe that is why there is such a hostile response from nationalists on here, who seem intent on driving unionists off this site, much like south armagh/down/fermangh.

    *IF*

    “I’ve got a robotic arm with a built in flux capacitor that lets me visit ancient mesopotamia where (or would that be were) I sleep with millions of ladies and punch lions. I also own more of those little battery powered drummer and cymbal monkeys than you have ever dreamed of.”

    is all you have to bring to the table then more reasons to ignore monkeys like YOU, maybe YOU are a monkey with cymbals looking to play in a band, cos for sure you are pretty talentless otherwise, esp in the are of intelligence and your “humour” is pretty base imho.

  • hahhahahah

    hahahahhaha

  • michael

    ” i don’t need to prove myself to anyone.”

    And yet you keep trying to.
    Tell me all about your supermodel wife and her randy twin sister.

  • hahhahahah

    loyalists march all over the UK without problems, only pikeys from NI have a problem 😀

    nationalists, do not underestimate your enemy

    the tune is No1 Platoon btw

    No Surrender

    FGAU

  • RepublicanStones

    hahahahahaahah a uefa cup match?

    If that was the offical opening ceremony it was a shoestring budget !

  • hahhahahah

    put it this way

    sshhhhhhhhhhhhh

    not a word

    who fears to speak ???????

  • The Pilgrims Master

    hahahahahaahah a uefa cup match?

    If that was the offical opening ceremony it was a shoestring budget ! ”

    hahahah

    you pikeys are in your place now you signed up to the GFA as did your masters in Dublin

    God Help yous if you decide to restart the troubles, the gloves will come off.

  • RepublicanStones

    With graphics like the ‘onn Speilberg will be knocking on your door soon.

    ‘who fears to speak ???????’

    Please not you anyway….my ribs are hurting !

  • Jim

    DD,

    You reacted very badly to a very minor jibe by a fellow blogger. You certainly gave it back in spades but then decided to run away when people challenged your wonderful life. Come back and talk to us.

    ha….,

    Are you English? my reason being that’s a very English Anti-Irish term you used. You didn’t try to got into a bar in Castle Street back in April did you?

  • RepublicanStones

    We’re gettin closer Pilgrim….Liverpool 😉

    ‘the gloves will come off.’

    You mean them dainty little white ones, mmmmmmmm…..they’re cute 😉

  • jm

    Sorry for that ‘get’

  • pól

    The last page of this thread is face in palm material. Everyone needs to grow up a bit.

    Calling people pikeys and gypsies… Jesus.

    And sure we all know what happens to gypsies here too.

    Leaving the North for a long time in 2 weeks. I cannot wait.

  • Where’s Pete Baker?

    Mick Fealty,

    read this thread and weep. Well, it was inevitable given that you allowed someone to exploit your site by equating sectarian attacks on Orange Halls with a sustained, deliberate campaign of ethnic cleansing (while all the while deliberately failing to account for similar attacks on Catholic institutions and homes in the same locality): how do you expect to attract reasonable, insightful debate premised on inflammatory bollocks?

  • just saying

    “equating sectarian attacks on Orange Halls with a sustained, deliberate campaign of ethnic cleansing”

    for many protestants that is what it is….

    a systematic,organised and sustained attack on the protestant and orange culture.

    but hey………….shhhhhh we should say nothing, and god forbid we should blog it, it will maybe go away…………until they start shooting us again maybe ? …….ssssshhhhhhh

  • Decency

    life for protestants in south fermanagh

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n17/otoo01_.html

    but if we keep really quiet…….sshhhhhhhhhh

    it never happened……sssshhhhhhhhhhh

  • Orange Disorder

    “i don’t need to prove myself to anyone”

    Which is why you:

    …”Have traveled the world over, own a very successful Hi Tec business, and (probably) have more money than you can dream of, own three prestige cars and two houses, and have several letters after my name.”

    Those letters after your name would’nt happen to be UDA would they? or are they a “qualification” from the Bob Jones University?

    Priceless!! Comic gold indeed.

    BTW, What is the obsession with middle aged, overweight, tattooed, shaven headed men dressing up in psuedo military uniform, marching in quasi military style and blowing flutes in group formation?

    Mmmmm…

  • “Of course the Orange Order and the DUP wouldn’t want you to know that part of ‘Protestant history’ but there it is.”

    Edukator, that must have been one of the few eras in history when the Orange Order and Catholics in Loughguile found themselves on the same side politically. They both opposed those troublemaking (mainly) Presbyterian republicans 🙂 [O’Laverty, A Historical Account of the Diocese of Down and Connor (Dublin … 1872)]

  • LURIG

    I am not at all surprised that many, particularly young, Nationalists in places like Rasharkin and North Belfast are venting their fury at the minute at these ‘Loyal Order’ parades. They have had enough of the Parades Commission officially endorsing these celebrations of anti-Catholic hatred and triumphalist marches of Loyalist paramiltary hatred past their homes. It isn’t rocket science even if the Northern media and Northern Executive want to bury their heads about exactly what these secretive Protestant societies are all about. They most definately do NOT preach religious freedom & liberty FOR ALL but they most certainly DO preach intolerance of and hatred for the Catholic religion. There is great anger & frustration within Nationalism that the Parades Commission is deliberately ignoring the clear umbilical link between these marches and the manifest influence of Unionist/Loyalist death squads on them. Furthermore Unionists talk about tolerance while they, as a community, jump on and condemn ANY expression of Irishness in places where Unionists are a numerical majority. They refuse to accept ANYONE daring to state that they are Irish and unfortunately this is having repercussions elsewhere. There is quite a volatile feeling and gritty determination now within many Nationalist communities that they have had enough of this hypocrisy and won’t put up with it any longer. You will see more Catholics in places like Coleraine and Banbridge no longer turning the cheek but instead proudly expressing their Irishness. The more that Unionism/Loyalism tries to stop this the more resilient these Catholic communities will be. Either there is parity of esteem for BOTH communities and the Irish identity be accepted or we continue on this road to conflict. Unionism CANNOT have it both ways.

  • “parity of esteem for BOTH communities”

    Lurig, the 50%+1 constitutional settlement in the 1998 Agreement runs counter to the notion of parity of esteem. Perhaps it’s also worth noting that the extremists on either side of this ‘tug-of-war’ feed off each other. Bigots R Us …

  • LURIG

    Nevin,

    I think you will find that The Good Friday Agreement confirmed NO current change in the constitutional position of the North but DID grant parity of esteem to BOTH British & Irish identity. Unionists have interpreted this as meaning that ONLY British/Unionist culture be recognised in the North and that Northern Irish Catholics must fall in behind this. That is, to paraphrase an American WWII General who when offered surrender terms by the Germans at Bastogne in the Ardennes (The Battle of the Bulge) said “NUTS!”. This typical Unionist bigoted mindset is only fomenting bigotry and a very hard line stance in many younger Catholics, particularly in places like Ballymena, Rasharkin and North Belfast. Indeed Nationalist youth workers in these places are encountering very extreme sectarian views in young Catholics that they have never experienced before. Incidents like Holy Cross and the parading of militant paramilitary Orders and Loyalist death squads past their homes are hardening views on a scale not seen before. I keep hearing people saying that they hope that conflict NEVER returns on the scale it did as many younger Catholic elements would only be too happy to get involved. That is frightening.

  • edukator

    Nevin,

    Where were your people in 98?

    And did you learn do chuid Gaeilge – or should that be Gaoileann – in Cléire?

    sinn féin = ‘ourselves’ and incidentally in Ulster Irish the ‘f’ sound in ‘féin’ is usually replaced by a ‘h’ sound.

    The extremists, as you rightly say, are feeding off each other. CIRA / RIRA love parades such as the one proposed for Rasharkin. And the UDA / UVF can recruit more young people into their bands as well.

    Sinn Féin are providing leadership but the DUP are running scared.

    LURIG,

    Kids these days have it easy compared to those who grew up in the 70s and 80s. The problem is they have to listen to their mad elders talk about the troubles as if they were the halcyon days when Belfast was at centre of the universe and they were players. And of course, everyone (except the other side) was such a tragic vitim.

    Andrew Charles,

    Greg Taylor
    Mark Quinn
    Richard Quinn
    Jason Quinn
    Michael McIlveen
    Kevin McDaid

    What was that you were saying about RESPECT?

  • Where’s Pete Baker?

    In certain areas of north Antrim, a ‘systematic, organised and sustained attack on the protestant and orange culture’ is, by all accounts, undeniably happening.

    However, to contend that this campiagn is, in the words of the esteemed Andrew Charles, ”[b]comparable to ethnic cleansing. No ifs no buts[/b]” is utterly perverse, insulting and calculated to cause grave offence.

    Charles has gone very quiet. Very curious, as is Mick Fealty’s silence on the issue.

  • jim

    Just saying,

    You are completely right when you say attacks on orange halls are attacks on the protestant community ditto GAA clubs. Attacks on Churches are another further step on the road to community hatred.

    Decency,
    A very tough read by fintan o’toole. Truly savage behaviour by PIRA. Killing the wife before killing the PT soldier was particularly harrowing. Now people from my community could talk about about Mcgurks, Greysteel, Dublin/Monaghan bombings but does that really get us anywhere? If as people we only see our sides pain as real how do we expect the other side to look at us with sympathy?

    North Antrim, Coleraine and Antrim show us we really have not moved on that much. I am a fan of Green flag’s repartition solution and with every year it becomes more valid IMO. Please somebody disagree with me but any time we live together at best it seems a wary mistrust and at worst outright violence and murder. generally speaking we like to live with people from our community so why not make that formal and admit that Northern Ireland is a failed identity and we cannot live as one because our political,cultural and Religous identities are completely different.

  • Repartition

    The problem with Repartition is that you would end up with Coleraine in the Republic, and places like Newry, Dunloy and Rasharkin in the “Two counties”

    And two counties would never be a viable political entity – certainly not when six counties doesn’t even work.

  • fin

    “Hi Tec business” I think I bought a pair of your trainers once.

    Flags and all that, the element of unionism involved in this crack is getting smaller and smaller and while getting a reaction out of nationalists its also getting a reaction out of normal decent unionists, for every 2 nationalists they piss off they’re pissing off one unionist. Come election time these unionists can’t be bothered voting.

    It’s only going to be a few years before a large element of unionists start giving grieve over flags and parades, what will the Andrews and UMHs’ do then, whinge at their own community.

    Once SF win a few key elections and the world doesn’t end, the UUP and DUP bogeyman electioneering tactics will fail, I wonder what the chances are of the Alliance gaining a large chunk of their votes

  • Bruno Spiro

    For the majority of Republican/Nationalist posters on Slugger, and that is the majority of posters on this site, the existence of Protestant victims of intimidation in North Antrim, or anywhere else for that matter, is something that they are unable to acknowledge.

    Should that be because they cannot get over their own tribe’s victimhood obsession or because they feel that the Prods “deserve” it as they need “manners put on them” it is impossible to fathom.

    Ridicule of genuine fears, comparison of Protestants to monkeys and the old standard ‘whataboutery’ are all employed.

    Simply for insult, hurt and fear ‘Protestants Need Not Apply’.

  • Reader

    Repartition: The problem with Repartition is that you would end up with Coleraine in the Republic,
    Are you assuming that repartition would follow county boundaries?
    Repartition: And two counties would never be a viable political entity – certainly not when six counties doesn’t even work.
    Actually, I don’t buy that. With 6 counties running at a loss, then 2 counties would run at a smaller loss. Especially if those two counties were Down and Antrim.

  • Lurig, identity and constitutional aspiration are interwoven and much of the Irish and British identity is shared. Some may attempt to stake a claim to particular forms of cultural expression but I disregarded the stake claimers when I coordinated an inter-schools group in Coleraine in the 70s and 80s.

    I wonder if anyone has studied the changing face of marching band culture and the associated mimicry. I’d have thought that the OO and AOH bands of the early to mid 1960s would have been more accommodating of each other than the newish breed of loyalist and republican ‘thud and blunder’ bands of today.

    What is driving this further shift to the extremes? Is it London and Dublin’s strategic support for extremist opinion at the expense of the middle ground? Is it the narrowing of the constitional aspirational percentages? Is it the imminent arrival of 2012 and 2016? Is it the decline in parental control and the rise in peer-group influence? Am I sounding too alarmist? Standing back and wagging the finger at ‘themuns’ might induce a temporary self-righteous feeling but is it a luxury we can ill afford?

  • “Where were your people in 98?”

    Mostly fairly close to the banks of the River Bush, east and west, a few miles in either direction, edukator 😉

    From what I’ve uncovered they were mostly Presbyterian of various hues and mostly farmers of varying degrees of prosperity. John Nevin (Reformed Presbyterian) was a first cousin of a maternal Nevin ancestor (Seceder) and was a captain in the United Irishmen. He escaped to the USA, wrote a letter home to a brother in 1804 and died a relatively young man in 1806. He trained his men near Derrykeighan, a place of ferment in 1758 – and 1641. Francis McKinley of Conagher, a brother of a maternal ancestor, was executed in Coleraine for his alleged part in the insurrection.

    In more recent times a paternal second-cousin married a direct descendent of Dan Winter of the Battle of the Diamond fame so you might well say I’ve got a diverse political pedigree. Now it seems that Dan had more than one cottage …. 🙂

  • “Sinn Féin are providing leadership but the DUP are running scared.”

    What leadership, edukator? Do you imagine that the OFMDFM has much influence on the arsonists or the ‘thud and blunder’ fraternity? I don’t – but I could be wrong.

  • Ballymoney resident at the time

    This can’t be stood over Ballymoney resident

  • reality

    If the Quinn house was petrol-bombed because of drug dealers how come homes of UDA members in Ballymoney haven’t been petrol-bombed???

    Sounds like you’re defending the sectarian killing

  • “all to do with drug dealing”

    Are you suggesting competition between drug dealers, Ballymoney ex-res? Susan McKay’s vox pop for the town and that tragic event looks far too superficial.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    I heard the same thing Ballymoney resident. The local Priest or Bishop probably forced ‘Ne Temere’ on the mother, when the media potrayed it as sectarian.

  • Reality, according to the Grapevine the attack was carried out by a drug dealer with UVF proclivities who subsequently was ‘hospitalised’ by the UDA. It was alleged at the time that there was conflict over the sale of drugs at a well known North Coast night spot.

    The killing of Constable Taylor also has an explanation which differs from the conventionally accepted one.

  • UMH, it was rumoured at the time that boys were baptised(?) in the hospital mortuary and that the hospital chaplains had expected the boys to be buried in the town cemetery.

  • Ballymoney resident at the time

    Reality….Defending it???? ‘tragic deaths’, disgraceful petrol bombing of house…’…Does this suggest ‘defending’ As the children were Protestant and they were allegedly killed by Loyalists, who was it a ‘sectarian killing’??? Re-read post 14 you numskull…and don’t indulge in ‘whataboutery’…..it was a dispute amongst drug-dealing scum from both sides of the religious/political divide…..and as to who the current scum drug-dealers are…..all the evidence would suggest that it isn’t the UDA, certainly not according to the papers in my area……defendant’s names such as Sean, Declan, Phelim, Kevin, Tony jump up out of the court pages of the Derry Journal, Northern Con, Mid-Ulster Observer etc…..not exactly names usually associated with the UDA scum who indulge in drug-dealing, don’t you think?….

  • qubol

    The comments of Ballymoney reident can’t stand, it’s unsubstantiated libelous rubbish from an unidentifiable source.

    Unless this poster wants to identify themselves and back up their assertions with some facts then I’d urge Andrew as the blogger on this thread or someone else at Slugger to remove it immediately.

  • SMcK, Mid-Ulster

    PROTESTANTS / UNIONISTS / LOYALISTS / DECENT PEOPLE….

    Don’t let the Republican / Sinn Fein / IRA rabble on Slugger get you down….get even….report their smears, innuendos, libels etc to the ‘boss’, Mick Fealty at mick.fealty at gmail.com…..and have their vile disgusting posts removed, as I did with the following two, now both dispatched to the cyber dustbin !!!!

    Iskra inc ‘Throw well , throw shell!” on Aug 15, 2009 @ 04:03 PM

    Posted by Rory Carr on Aug 15, 2009 @ 04:28 PM

  • Ballymoney resident at the time

    It is 100 %%%%%% accurate qubol…..truth can never be libel???? Agreed???

    Don’t you remember, the scummer of a brother was barred from the funeral……he was the reason for the tragedy caused by the lunatic UVF loyalists.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    I didn’t hear anything about that Nevin, its interesting though. That would mean the RC church can accept you into their faith after you’re dead. I always thought you had to be baptised either as a child or when you converted. Little wonder they give so much adoration to the Priests and bishops when they can perform things like that 😀

  • “””””££££££££”””””” ———–> MLA’s expenses

    Die-Tie McKay is unusually quiet…..

  • Ulsters my homeland

    qubol, blogging isn’t considered as libel, it may be considered slander, just like talking in a pub, but its not libel.

  • Andrew

    Republican posters on this thread quite frankly demonstrate and further many of my points.

    A term ‘ethnic cleansing’ is perhaps a term that they would prefer used when talking about themselves. Nationalists are not the only victims in our society.

    So far two Protestants have left the area, with another four waiting to be rehoused. If this isn’t ethnic cleansing what is it? These families are not moving out of choice.

    Furthermore the murder of Michael McIlveen and Kevin McDaid as well as the torching the Quinn families homes were dispicable or appalling. Just because I haven’t mentioned them doesn’t mean in ANYway I would condone them – do not put words in my mouth. All such attrocities were sick and terrible. Murder is murder and there is no justification whatsoever for them.

    Things are not black and white here. As a Unionist I feel that many nationalist and republican posters on here are in denial. Many things have happened on both sides of the divide, I acknowledge that so called ‘loyalists’ or ‘Unionists’ have done things but these in my opinion were not lawful or in the defence of the Union. They do not represent me or many many people I know.

    There is much hatred in our society and Rasharkin and many other areas in North Antrim are a reminder that they haven’t gone away. Furthermore I do not feel that Sinn Fein are helping the situation and are seeking to use it for political gain. I have not heard one resident say anything other than Daithi McKay speak for them. That I know for a fact. He keeps the media away from the residents.

    What I sought to tell here was a story of Protestants and Unionists being scared and terrorised out of their homes. This is despicable no matter what religion you are. There are already scores of threads on other events/attrocites.

    I will not make any further comment as what will it achieve here? This debate is a vicious cycle and circle of comments and opinions. We will not agree. All I can hope is that we can learn something. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The beauty of Slugger is that everyone can have their say and with over 140 odd posts everyone has had a chance.

  • edukator

    Bruno Spiro,

    In light of the last few posts I invite you to revisit your charge that it is primarily nationalists who have problems acknowledging suffering on the other side.

    Nevin,

    SF at local level (Daithí McKay) and at leadership level (both Gerry and Marty) have been forthright in opposing ‘republican’ extremism. Unionists couldn’t even be bothered to attend Kevin McDaid’s funeral. And now they are bleating about ‘ethnic cleansing’.

    If the DUP were truly concerned about Protestants in Rasharkin they would use their influence with the loyal orders and the organisers of the band parade to try and calm the situation. Instead we have Paisley óg lying that none of the bands are paramilitary linked and Mervyn Storey claiming that Catholics are attacking AOH halls!!

    BTW I see loyalists have opened a new front on the other side of the Bann.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]25.Die-Tie McKay is unusually quiet….. [/i]

    He’s probably scared that the dissident yobs in Rasharkin will read slugger. He defended the local Republican chippy in Rasharkin against them and got his windows put in, so he’s hardly going to start getting into a debate on here where he might ‘slip-up’ and defend the Prods.

  • UMH, I not very familiar with Christian denominational fine print. Some of the allegations came to me from a cleric who was a regular visitor to the hospital.

  • sinless

    Andrew is reminded of the incineration of the Quinn children which Paisley gloated over. He is reminded of other murders by his neighbours and friends. He might even recall Harryville when Protestant rugby intenrationals terrorised mass going grandmothers. Then he claims Catholics are in denial.
    Ulster’s my Homeland: Even a sectarian sdhould know that things written down = potential libel = Slugger.

    Send the illiterate million back to Scotland.

  • Ulsters my homeland

    [i]Ulster’s my Homeland: Even a sectarian sdhould know that things written down = potential libel = Slugger.[/i]

    Your wrong gobshitte.

  • edukator

    SMcK,

    Fair play to you for having the comments about the Garvagh shootings deleted. They were truly sick – as are some of the comments on here about the deceased children.

    Andrew,

    Welcome back. You shouldn’t be surprised at the tide of vitriol your vitriolic post has unleashed. What else did you expect?

    I didn’t accused you of condoning murder – just of turning a blind eye to the antics of loyalist bully boys – the same sort whose right to parade in Rasharkin you endorse.

    I’ll say it again. If the DUP were truly concerned about Protestants in Rasharkin they would use their influence with the loyal orders and the organisers of the band parade to try and calm the situation.

    The idea that Daithí McKay controls either the streets of Rasharkin or the agenda of the media is totally ludicrous. I don’t suppose it ever occured to you that nationalists in Rasharkin might be afraid – of loyalist parmailitaries.

  • edukator

    Nevin,

    You are pedalling unsubstantiated rumour about dead kids FFS! Did you leave your moral compass on the Rathlin ferry?

  • Andrew Charles

    edukator

    apology accepted

    “I don’t suppose it ever occured to you that nationalists in Rasharkin might be afraid – of loyalist parmailitaries.”

    I accept that. But I have information that would back up what I say.

    When contacted last week he wouldn’t allow the media to speak directly to the residents’. Instead he said he would speak for them.

  • End it

    Someone please close down this thread. It makes me sick to think ths the young Quinn boys have now been dragged into this vile ‘debate’. Where the hell is Mick Fealty? Some of the stuff written on page 6 especially is libelous.

  • edukator

    Andrew,

    apology accepted

    Again you misinterpret me.

  • qubol

    Ballymoney Resident if it’s true them it’s not libelous, agreed. Trouble is, you’re talking through your arse and worst of all you’re attempting to muddy the water around a callous sectarian murder. For example:

    You claimed the mother’s brother was staying in the house at the time.

    From the BBC:

    ‘The boys – Richard Quinn, 11, Mark Quinn, 9, and Jason Quinn, 7 – were asleep in their beds when a petrol bomb was thrown through a window at the rear of their terraced house at about 0430 BST.

    Their mother Chrissie, 29, her boyfriend Raymond Craig, 31 and a family friend, Christine Archibald, 18, escaped with minor injuries and are suffering from shock.

    He wasn’t there.

    Secondly given the context, the sectarian violence across the north at the time, the stockpiles of petrol bombs subsequently found on the Carnany estate it stands to reason why Justice McCollum in his sentencing of UVF member Garfield Gilmore described this as a sectarian act.

    It’s sickening that you would attempt to give cover or rationalise the actions of sectarian UVF murderers. You should be ashamed of yourself and I’d again urge someone to remove these remarks.

    UMH I’ve never heard of a blogger being sued for slander, it’s in print so AFAIK it’s therefore libel.

    http://www.website-law.co.uk/resources/website-libel.html

  • End it

    Andrew Charles,

    Where the hell do you get off making out that that edukator chap apologised to you?

    6 choosing to move out of an area because they rightly fear for their safety simply does not constitute ethnic cleansing. Please don’t continue to insult our intelligence.

    Also, why have you allowed this thread to cotinue gven the libelous comments relating tothe Quinn Family and UMH’s ad hominem attacks whereas when things got the slightest bit hairy on the Andrew MacKinlay thread you closed it down immediately?