“The financial advice we are getting at the minute is that we could borrow as much as £5m”

Not sure what to make of the opening line from this BBC report

Councillors in Londonderry have voted to ask the local authority to take over the project to redevelop the Brandywell stadium.

Who exactly are they asking? Apparently, after the “bit of a ruck” Mick noted, they’ve decided that Brandywell Properties, who manage the site’s development on behalf of the Council, aren’t making sufficient progress. Still, after the wonderful job the Council made of managing City of Derry Airport, what could go wrong?

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  • bob wilson

    Anyone want to wager that the airport will be shut before the new stretch of dual carriageway to the airport is finished?
    £24m wasted on a road to a white elephant

  • cynic

    Why dont they just open a zoo. They can soon fill it with white elephants.

  • Itwas SammyMcNally whatdoneit

    If any more public money is spent it should be available for GAA and Rugby.

  • Pigeon Toes
  • George

    More than a quarter of a million people are now using City of Derry Airport according to that SF link? Those are truly dreadful figures.

    Even Kerry Airport (I didn’t know an airport could be that small) has 420,000.

  • elvis parker

    Passenger numbers for 2008 were 438,996, but have fallen 31% in the first two months of 2009 due to flight and route cancellations despite the the announcement of new flights and removal of passenger number limits on existing flights following the completion of the runway extension.

    It’s doomed

  • Reality Check

    George I think those figures are from 2005. Passenger numbers were closer to 440,000 in 2008. A comparable small regional airport is Galway which only had 270,000 pass through it. I for one think the airport is a God-send. I use it regularly which means I don’t have to trek up and down from Belfast when I fly. I do think it should be handed over to a private company who specialise in airport operation as they’d make better use of the facility, but to close it completely? No thanks. A city such as Derry, with designs on expansion and regeneration, needs an airport. If only the council would hand it over to those who could run it effectively…..

  • Reality Check

    Oh yeah, and as for the council taking control of the Brandywell redevelopment, they couldn’t do much worse than Brandywell Properties and their ‘dead in the water’ proposal.

    Using rate money to pay for the development is the only way it will happen. Its also ironic that those who refuse to support their local club in any way, preferring to line the pockets of foreign sides, will be forced to contribute in their own small way.

  • fin

    good to have you back pigeon toes, why do you always go missing when Mick invokes registration, fortunatly Nevin always remains to echo your thoughts

    submit word ‘sock’

  • fin

    just kidding pigeon toes, good to have you back

    [Play the ball – edited moderator]

  • Pigeon Toes

    Fin,

    Been forced out of my home by the actions of certain departments…

  • Pigeon Toes

    Ah Fin,
    I have missed your refined wit and deep sarcasm. Almost makes me homesick…

  • “the actions of certain departments…”

    and the ‘inactions’ of Stormont Committees and the MSM? It’s fascinating to observe the extent to which the public service is prepared to indulge in cover-up – using taxpayers’ money.

  • Glencoppagagh

    “Using rate money to pay for the development is the only way it will happen”

    Does anything happen in dear old Derry without the assistance of taxpayers and ratepayers?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Local councils shouldn’t be able to raise money from the banks, and they shouldn’t be able to deposit money with them either.

    While I’m at it, why do local councils operate and subsidize leisure centres ? Or, in this case, a frickin’ airport ?

  • Pigeon Toes

    Nevin,
    But sure that story is apparently ” not what you think it is”…

    Off to buy a budgie, and teach it the “Fields of Athenry”

  • Pigeon Toes

    “Or, in this case, a frickin’ airport ?”

    I assume cos some twat thought it was a good idea, and sure it was coming out of taxpayers funds.

    The fact that some of the routes have PSO’s on them mean that they are not economically viable, which should have perhaps hinted at what a shit plan it was…

  • Reality Check

    Posted by Glencoppagagh on Jul 25, 2009 @ 11:11 AM
    ‘Does anything happen in dear old Derry without the assistance of taxpayers and ratepayers?’

    Does any major sports or infrastructural development take place in Northern Ireland without the assistance of taxpayers and ratepayers? Oydessy Arena, Windor Park, New Blanchflower stadium proposal, Old Maze stadium proposal, etc., etc. – ring any bells? Or is this acceptable for you as these are located in and around Belfast, or as the rest of NI know it, ‘the only place where the government gives a sh*t about sport’.

  • Paul

    If there’s going to be a municipal stadium, then it should be developed to accommodate gaelic football and rugby.

    Surely it would make financial sense to develop one good stadium, instead of having two half developed stadia, ie the Brandywell and Celtic Park.
    Either ground could be sold off to finance the development / give the owners an incentive to go in on a shared stadium.

  • LGO

    “While I’m at it, why do local councils operate and subsidize leisure centres ? Or, in this case, a frickin’ airport ?”

    Good question, CS. It’s one of those things that Councils were allowed to do after the initial reorganisation in the seventies. They have a statutory remit for local leisure and sports. And it’s remained ever since. I work for local government, and I’d be the first to ship leisure off the private sector. The really expensive parts of the local government leisure sector are the swimming pools. And probably if local government didn’t provide it, no one else would.

    Also, if local teams want to use 3G pitches, they’ll turn to the local Council too. You should see how much one of those costs.

    As for airports and stuff…well..my take on it, as I have written before, is that it has been right and proper that Councils take risks and provide facilities like this. The problem comes – as with everything in Northern Ireland – when the time is right to relinquish control.

  • Pigeon Toes

    ” The really expensive parts of the local government leisure sector are the swimming pools. And probably if local government didn’t provide it, no one else would.”

    Never realized that Moyle Council was smarter than the average council. I’m also quite certain that the council wasn’t either

  • LGO

    I don’t think it’s that they’re smarter – with such a small rates base, they probably never had the reserves in the first place to build one. But you know them better than I do, so there’s probably more to it.

  • PT, the ‘smartness’ of Moyle Council – in its totality – has to be seen to be believed. It has something of a reputation for contemplating doing things today that perhaps it ought to have done ten or more years ago. There would also appear to be a policy of keeping elected representatives in the dark.