DUP Reshuffle

The BBC are reporting the DUP reshuffle. Sammy Wilson becomes the new Stormont Finance Minister, replacing Nigel Dodds; Edwin Poots takes on Mr Wilson’s old job as Environment Minister and Nelson McCausland replaces Gregory Campbell as Culture Minister. Robin Newton replaces Jeffrey Donaldson as junior minister.

  • The Raven

    Do I laugh….or cry….?

  • Wenn Ich das wort Kultur höre, entsichere Ich meinen Browning.

  • Paddy D

    If this reshuffle is meant to give the DUP an electoral bounce from then it’s pretty bad. if howeverit’s meant to give good governance to Northern Ireland, then it’s woeful. Sammy Wilson at Finance because he was at one time an economics teacher? That’s the same as saying one is qualified to be a doctor on the grounds that they have often visited one. And Nelson McCausland at Culture, an oxy-MORON if ever I heard one. Is there in truth no talent left?

  • Arty Renny

    Will finance issues cease to exist now?

  • Jack Black

    Arty, no, but they will cease to be man made

  • joeCanuck

    Alas poor wee Jeffrey. Backstabbing didn’t really help him in the end.

  • tkbytesback

    its a very Belfast centric team. That could cost.

  • EyeOnTheNorth

    Jeffrey Donaldson? Jim Wells?
    Why aren’t the most intelligent and capable DUP MLAs in this new line-up. Donaldson for culture and Wells for environment would have been perfect for good governance.
    Instead we get the most anti-nationalist candidate possible (again) for culture, and Poots…a man who doesn’t even believe in evolution , sitting in the green seat.
    Clearly a bid to pander to sway voters who voted TUV recently. Yet this just shows that this sort of unionism isn’t just backward in terms of recognising nationalists as human beings on pare with themselves, it’s also backward in terms of basic science.
    Stuff the TUV, why can’t the DUP try and modernise unionism when it has the chance. Push forward while Jim Allister pushes backwards, and see how better you do come the next election.
    Instead, its a giant push backward from all on the unionist side. Well done Peter!

  • emanonon

    When you shuffle a deck of cards with no face cards or aces, unless you are a magician, you still end up with no face cards or aces.

    Peter Robinson is no magician!

  • steve48

    No harm to Nelson but a large shudder will have travelled through the arts community (unless you make tartan dolls). Plug at environment is worth a tear or two. Sammy at DFP will reduce the economy to his usual stand up routine and business will lose more confidence. Robin, I take it is the new young talent that Peter promised. Gerry Kelly must be loving it.

  • Roberto

    Poots the flat earther in environment! God help us! Thats probably what his policy will be!

  • Carson’s Cat

    Its clearly a reshuffle with an eye to at least two things. Firstly it puts safe pairs of hands into jobs – the crap about Wilson being an economics teacher re DFP is just that – crap.

    There’s often complaints that Ministers in Northern Ireland have no background or knowledge of subjects they then go into Ministerial office to look after. You don’t need to have been a doctor to be the Health Minister, but an economics background isn’t going to do him any harm. Nelson McCausland has been a very safe pair of hands for the DUP and will give him the chance to prove himself.

    Secondly its clearly a reshuffle which allows a number of senior DUP people to free up time to look after the Party and not just the country. The reshuffle gives Dodds, Donaldson and Campbell much more time now to do business inside the DUP and not just sign off Ministerial papers. They’re all senior people and represent a very broad swathe of unionism.

    They’ll now have the time and the opportunity to get out and do the engagement which Robinson has talked about. Don’t think the Committee Chairs have been announced yet but that’s clearly coming. Interesting to see what happens there.

    Leaving the usual sniping aside its interesting that the DUP have been able to do a reshuffle which doesn’t include Dodds, Donaldson, Campbell (and later as ctte chairs prob McCrea, Simpson and I. Robinson), yet announce a team which still is reasonably high profile. The DUP may not have the perfect team, but compared to SF, UUP and SDLP I’d still rather be Robinson looking across his team of MLAs to pick Ministers and Committee Chairs than any of the other parties…..

  • Joe

    Now that Super Sammy has solved Global Warming, its on to fix the World Economic Crash. Is there nothing he can’t handle?

  • Zoon Politikon

    Ministers no-shows at council meetings Subs req.

    … DUP environment minister Sammy Wilson, above, had the worst record, making just nine out of a possible 40 council meetings – giving him an attendance rate of 23 per cent. …

    Its a pity that citizens can not sue politicos for promissory estoppel.

  • Pedant

    Zoon,

    even more of a pity that you clearly don’t know what promissory estoppel is.

  • “DUP may not have the perfect team”

    Carson’s Cat, that made me laugh. Thank you so much!!

    The other teams are lacking in perfection too. Our senior civil servants will mostly only have to deal with ‘vexatious’ (aka embarrassing) queries from concerned taxpayers.

    It’s a shame that Jim Allister is no longer an MEP. His office was streets ahead of the other parties when it came to tackling the Rathlin ferry scandal and some other issues that should have been sorted out by our MLAs and/or MPs.

  • fair_deal

    Not impressed, couple of appointments make internal sense not external and right now external is the more important

    “but a large shudder will have travelled through the arts community”

    ROFLMAO I’m sure they’ll be burning the midnight oil in Dundela about that/

  • OliviaH

    I may not be excited about this reshuffle as a whole. I feel Arlene Foster would have been much more capable as Finance Minister. However, I am very pleased to see Nelson McCausland as the Minister for Culture, Arts and Leisure. It is unfair to say that there will be some kind of collective shudder amongst arts groups. Yes, Mr McCausland is a big supporter of all things Ulster Scots but I believe that he will carry out his remit in a fair manner. He is a competent MLA who has proved himself over the past 6 years of being in the Assembly.

  • Zoon Poltikon

    Pedant oops me bad, representation LOL Bow head, shakes and walks of muttering…

  • Bemused

    Olivia – I take it you’re being sarcastic?

  • Carson’s Cat

    Steve48
    re the “shudder” in the Arts Community. Frankly I’ve never regarded Antrim UUP Cllrs as some bastion of Artistic temperament myself but then again you live and learn…

    Have you organised much opera or ballet in Antrim then? I didn’t realise you were so qualified to comment or were you simply having a party political pop at someone who probably knows more about the issue than you could ever hope to… perish the thought!

    Nevin,
    You better watch out – people might think you’re a little fixated on the Rathlin ferry issue. Its a shame that precisely no-one else gives a flying ****. Always good to hear too that kind of precise tribute that an MEP was good at dealing with “some other issues that should have been sorted out by MLAs &/or MPs”

    If he was so effective then why didn’t he get the rathlin issue “sorted”?

    Its interesting that most of what has passed for ‘comment’ on this thread has just been a list of personal abuse of one sort or another. Cant be that bad a reshuffle in real terms then when its annoyed so many of the party supporters who seem to populate this place – including it would seem UUP Councillors who of course are the true arbiters of success for any DUP reshuffle!

  • Seceder

    Always new the DUP put the person before the party before the country and this confirms it.

    Where is the new talent – the Simon Hamiltons of this world etc

    Robinson may want the other MPs to reach out to the grassroots, but if his Beltel article is anything to go by he’s lost it completely.

    If I were him i’d be worried some of the MPs will now completely distance themselves from the Stormont mess, condemn Robbo for conceding to maguiness and then either jump to Allister or join the Tories – he should have remember to keep his friends close and his enemies closer

  • Greenflag

    Deck chairs – Titanic- with the orchestra playing land of no hope and even less glory in the background, while on the quarter deck Nelson fiddles , Donaldson burns , and Poots supervises the animals two by two as they climb aboard the Ark .

    Full sail said Capt Pete . And bould Jeffrey in the crow’s nest espied a storm rising amongst the dangerous reefs ahead .

    Fear not said Capt Pete -‘ Shure a battle a day helps you work , rest and play .

  • OliviaH

    Bemused – I am not being in the least bit sarcastic. 🙂

  • Continental Drifter

    If Simon Hamilton is “new talent”, that shows how limited it is…

  • PJcavehill

    What is it that Nelson McCausland has proved in the last 6 years? I can only think that he has proved that at last he can finally stay in one party–Remember his history–UUUP, stood as an independent a couple of times, joined the UUP and supported Trimble, then dumped him and joined the DUP.

  • Nelson’s recent utterances – his one man campaign to drop the word ‘Irish’ from the name of the British and Irish Lions – seem at odds with the notion that he could possibly live up to the ministerial oath which compels office holders to deal fairly with the questions before it, without consideration for sectarian or party loyalties. I would also have thought that the idea of the British and Irish Lions embodies the spirit of partnership between Britain and Ireland which is most likely to form the basis of the relationship between the two islands into the future – rather than the Us & Them, and ultimately anti-unionist, mindset revealed by Nelson’s utterances.

    If Nelson wants to be true to unionist ideals, which is to say the idea of the union being for the betterment of all peoples on these islands, he should strike first and early to ensure that Irish is treated on a par with Scots Gaelic and Welsh, the other major UK minority/regional languages. Increased support for the Irish language in broadcasting, specific legislation to ensure that Irish can not be treated as a political football by any party, including SF, should be on his priority list.

    I don’t expect him to tack in that direction – I expect him to act as Minister as a fox would in the henhouse and slay all around him. But I challenge him to confound my expectations…..

  • iluvni

    and as another set of DUP Ministers are reshuffled, could someone do me a favour and list their achievements whilst in office…

    I can think of 1 – scrapping the Maze stadium

  • slug

    Unlike most of the ministers, Nelson McCausland attended Oxford as an undergraduate so is a well educated person.

  • Ex Pat Pat

    A good degree is not necessarily a sign of intelligence but in fainess to Nelson McCausland, he is a pretty smart guy (albeit one with a pretty narrow few of the world). I don’t like the DUP but sadly in local government (and Stormont is essentially glorified local govt) the talent pool is limited (not just in NI) and I don’t think the other parties could offer much more.

    I am surprised they have brought back Poots (who is mediocre at best) and ignored Wells, Weir and Hamiliton, who (for their own individual failings) are smarter than most of the rest of their peers. I wonder on Newton if this is an attempt to raise his profile in the advance of the next general election? If Robinson does commit himself to Stormont and steps down from Westminster, Newton is probably the front-runner for that seat (and could step down from the junior minister spot, if elected to Parliament).

  • The Impartial Observer

    Groans and rolled eyes in DOE at this news. With Sammy you got the impression that he was saying outrageous comments about climate change to provoke a reaction and gain publicity, Poots seems to believe it literally! A lot of people in the Department are feeling nostalgic for Arlene Foster who actually did OK!

    The real jaw dropper is McCausland to DCAL, as speculated on here this is to provoke Sinn Fein and the Irish Language lobby. When the parties chose their Departments back in April 2007, I thought that there could be a trade off between SF and the DUP on selection and the Irish Language Act, either by accident or by design. both sides have played on their galleries on each issue. Stand by for more paralysis and gesture politics!

  • “Its a shame that precisely no-one else gives a flying ****.”

    Untrue, Carson’s Cat. You failed to understand the ‘streets ahead’ comparative comment. Some MLAS are giving their assistance willingly, others have needed a little ‘prompting’ and some have been an obstacle. I’d rather not name and shame.

    The ferry scandal has involved a SF and a DUP ministry – DRD and DFP. Perhaps that’s why their respective committies have been so impotent despite some calls for action by individual MLAs.

    DRD is currently refusing to release records which have been referenced in the £55,000 investigations but whose existence has been denied by the RoI’s Department of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs.

  • Pigeon Toes

    “Its a shame that precisely no-one else gives a flying ****.”

    That is not an entirely accurate statement…

    As for Northern Ireland Politics i general, most of the electorate would appear not to give a “flying ****” as evidenced at the recent elections.

    Yawn … Same old, Same old….

  • GavBelfast

    An excellent re-shuffle in my view.

  • the joxer

    Is Jim Wells waiting for a ministry after he joins the TUV?

  • loki

    Just been reading biographies of various DUPes. Is everyone in DUP a UUP reject?? FFS haven’t they got any homegrown talent? Or what passes for talent in NI politics

  • Dread Cthulhu

    Greenflag: “Deck chairs – Titanic- with the orchestra playing land of no hope and even less glory in the background, while on the quarter deck Nelson fiddles , Donaldson burns , and Poots supervises the animals two by two as they climb aboard the Ark .”

    Bound to happen, but I think this one is spot on…

    This is a game of three card monte with no way to win.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Nevin:
    It’s a shame that Jim Allister is no longer an MEP. His office was streets ahead of the other parties when it came to tackling the Rathlin ferry scandal and some other issues that should have been sorted out by our MLAs and/or MPs.

    I suppose that’s more important to you than the comparitively minor matter of how he wants to completely screw up the country by handing the keys back to direct rule ministers.

    Impartial:

    Groans and rolled eyes in DOE at this news. With Sammy you got the impression that he was saying outrageous comments about climate change to provoke a reaction and gain publicity,

    I think Sammy certainly liked to provoke a reaction. I’m not sure that he was doing it for publicity though. I don’t agree with his view on global warming, but there’s a hell of a lot of shite being talked by the green movement – hypocrisy too.

    Poots seems to believe it literally! A lot of people in the Department are feeling nostalgic for Arlene Foster who actually did OK!

    I find Poots’ Creationism a hell of a lot more embarassing than the views of his predecessor.

  • Faulkner

    Poots will stand 4 westminster in Lagan Valley. Donaldson will become a minster.

    Newton will stand in east belast, Hamilton will step up to junior minister, iris will step down as MLA.

    McCausland will stand in South antrim

    Vacancies will allow new MLAs to be copted 1 year before assembly elections in 2011.

    This is a long term strategic play by Robinson to consolidate hold on party.

  • loki

    Poots??!
    Robin Newton and DUP’s vote declining in east Belfast even before current blip. Who replaces Iris?
    McCausland in South Antrim- bet that’s news to the singing Reverend McCrea.
    I see where you’re coming from, just not so sure that the public will be so easily convinced. Especially since Robbo is running a ” vote DUP or you’re all doomed” strategy. They tried that in European campaign and world hasn’t ended with SF topping the poll.
    Perhaps policy rather than arrogance might help their cause. Robbo is looking more and more like Louis XIV. Friends in East Belfast deeply pissed at the absentee landlord Sorry – MP

  • Framer

    DUP has lost its raison d’etre. TUV has siphoned off the old believers and the hard liners.

    What’s left other than dynasts but UUP defectors.

  • cynic

    I appreciate that there may be a master plan sitting somewhere in Dundela Avenue and I also acknowledge that Sammy Wilson is one of the nice guys but I cannot get my head around the moves of Peter to undo double jobbing. Sammy is a Minister, an MP, an MLA and a Councillor. Thats quad jobbing but maybe that is so far off Peter’s radar he hasn’t noticed. If I was one of the MP’s who had been relieved off a Ministry to reduce the double jobbing scandal I would be miffed as to why the rule was ignored in Sammy’s case. Does anyone on Slugger know why Sammy is being kept so busy?

  • emanonon

    Framer

    You are indeed correct there is no point to the DUP anymore, what policies, apart from smash SF and top the poll, do they have that are not equally promoted by the UCU’s which is part of a mainstream UK party.

    They do not have a unique selling point any longer and they do not have a list of capable politicians which can run this country, nor do they have any depth of talent.

    Shuffling a pack of jokers will not convince the electors next time round who can look to the TUV for hard line policies and to the UCU’s who can offer national policies molded to local requirements with a real prospect of making them work.

    The DUP have climbed to the top of the hill and few will offer much sympathy as their slide from power gathers pace, I neither expect them to be the largest NI party in Westminster nor the Assembly after the next elections.

  • Disinterested observer

    Cynic I think the truth is that Sammy refused to be moved just like Arlene.
    For all Robbo’s bluster he has less authority than your average council leader in England

  • Comrade Stalin

    Newton will stand in east belast, Hamilton will step up to junior minister, iris will step down as MLA.

    You just said that Poots is going to stand in Lagan Valley and now that Iris is stepping down as MLA. You are therefore saying that Iris plans to get out of politics ?

    McCausland will stand in South antrim

    Where’s McCrea going ?

    This is a long term strategic play by Robinson to consolidate hold on party.

    By stepping down in East Belfast himself, Robinson runs the risk of Dodds consolidating his role as the leader of the party group in Westminster. This seems quite dangerous to me; if Robinson slips, or if the assembly runs into the ground, all of a sudden he has no power base.

    cynic:

    Sammy made the point in a Belfast Telegraph video interview recently that being an MP as well as an MLA involves a great deal of crossover. That makes sense to me. I’m aware myself that a lot of the work politicians do doesn’t involve raising issues in either chamber. A lot of it is organizing stakeholders, or giving officials or civil servants a bit of a push to get something sorted out, or fixing some kind of a problem with social services, or the council, or the police, or whatever. Your local politicians represent you more to the arms of the government, rather than to the government itself.

    In Sammy’s case (and I’m not a DUP supporter) my impression is that he enjoys the job. I know for a fact that he puts the hours in. And anybody who tries to talk up Larne must be committed. I think he has a strong personal vote and I’d say his seat is one of the safest of the DUP seats. I’ll take a rough guess that he has pretty strong grassroots support and that Robinson wants to keep him on side. Note also what I suggested above about a power base building in Westminster in the event of problems in the Assembly.

  • “to completely screw up the country by handing the keys back to direct rule ministers.”

    Is that a job that should be left to public representatives in Stormont, Comrade Stalin?

  • Comrade Stalin

    Nevin,

    I think things would be a hell of a lot worse than they are without devolution, in spite of my frustration at the deadlock and incompetence of some of our representatives. If I had to pick who would run the country I reckon I’d do a better job, but then that wouldn’t be democracy, would it ?

  • cynic

    Comrade

    You have missed my point a little. I have no argument with either Sammy’s undoubted ability or his well known committment to what he does. Its just that his retention as a Minister flies totally in the face of what Peter said he was going to do both before the Euro Election and after. He said that the DUP must listen to the public concerns about double jobbing but I get the impression from the facts in front of me that Peter is only listening with one ear.

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

    Is this the same Newton who advised INI on The Northern Ireland Textile Industry and is a preachifier on Sundays. If so have we yet another minister to the converted in the UDUP . Can he help say the prayers and use his management consultancy expertise to monitor and get them to save the Taxpayers money in their expense claims.
    It reminds me of the very old retired CoI clergyman, who looked after a small parish in Co. Kerry. One day he was widowed and became much aged as well as being sad and totally distraught at his bereavement.
    The locals in the bar noticed this and with the help of the local priest gave The Canon, as he was known, a large Tabby Tom Cat for company.The cat grew into a very fine specimen of gigantic proportions; and he was put out nightly at 11.00pm
    and brought in at 7.00am the next morning.
    After a few months the whole vicinity was plagued by an epidemic of ginger tom kittens. So the priest instructed the vet that the Church’s teaching on birthcontrol did not extend as far as the feline species and the local vet was instructed to castrate the giant tom; this instruction he complied with.
    As a consequence the rash of new tom kittens subsided and peace returned to the locality.
    However after a few months it all started again and the vet’s professional ability came under question from the priest amongst others.
    Not to be outdone he waited until the Tom was put out for the night and followed him into the graveyard; where he espied 40 tom cat kittens sat round a gravestone being lectured by the ginger eunuch with diagrams drawn on the tombstone demonstrating procreation.
    Now the Moral of this story is that if you hav’ent had any in the first place or in the second lost your equipment you become a management consultant.

  • Faulkner

    Do you have any experience running a company Mr. Lund or are you more of the consultancy type yourself?

    Robinson will be able to bring in fresh talent with this move. Will either cons and unionists or TUV be able to do the same?

  • loki

    Faulkner- Robbo showed the extent of his “fresh” talent- Robin Newton who’s been around for twentyfive years. if thet’s fresh I’d be worried. Actually, given that he cant’ control his senior members, i’d say Robbo is worried.

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

    Faulkner,
    I have been a spinner,dyer and manufacturer all my working career and I exported 98% of my turnover to the USA selling it all myself.One thing for certain Mr Newton will be able to admire my products whenever he sits down in the Long Gallery or enjoys a libation in the members bar.As a matter of interest also occassionaly Iam asked by the World Bank and The Bank of European Capital Construction to advice developing countries on how to make their textile industries more profitable and to advise them on long term business policy.
    Await the Conservative and Unionist General Election Candidates some of them might have had real jobs in the real world. Prenez Guarde Mon Ami.

  • Cushy Glenn

    hmmm
    So Jeffrey’s going for Westminster after all. First fall out of the TUV’s strong showing in Lagan Valley is the end of Jeffrey’s ministeral aspirations.
    The irony of Arlene his bag carrier having a burgeoning Stormont career while he’s condemned to backbench obscurity in London, and even all his old Tory mates have to keep their distance in deference to UCUNF. He’s now as irrelevant as Stratton Mills, Rafton Pounder, or Robin Chichester Clark- oh wait, even Chi Chi got to be a PPS for some obscure Tory department in the early 1970s- Jeffrey’s only got the Privy Council to keep him occupied

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “Unlike most of the ministers, Nelson McCausland attended Oxford as an undergraduate so is a well educated person.”

    However, such an education is useless if it is tainted with prejudice.

  • “such an education is useless if it is tainted with prejudice.”

    Greagoir, where would you find a politician in NI who isn’t tainted with prejudice; some are barely tainted with education.

  • Driftwood

    Any idea where Poots went to University?

  • Big Maggie

    Driftwood,

    Agricultural college in Antrim. Not a bad grounding for an Environment Minister.

  • Seceder

    All this chat about McCausland going to Oxford – or as Slug says he went as an undergrad to Oxford.

    Did he ever graduate from OXford or did he just go. I went Cambridge but after 2 days I’d seen all i wanted and moved on to Leicester then Nottingham and I was an udergrad at the time to

  • Driftwood

    Hmmm
    I see he isn’t a big fan of the humble semi colon though; Wiki;
    Poots is a young earth creationist and an opponent of the theory of evolution.[3]

    He is a member of the Calvinist Congregation of Lisburn, a strict sect of Presbyterianism distinguished by its insistence on the orthographic purity of scripture. Scriptural passages reproduced in print by the Congregation may not include certain forms of punctuation, notably the semi-colon, that it regards as lewd in appearance and disruptive to the immediacy of the divine word.

    Weird.

  • Big Maggie

    Driftwood,

    That has to be a wind-up! Did the Shinners edit that Wiki entry? :^)

  • seceder

    Big Maggie – agricultural college in Antrim – qualification recieved being?

  • Big Maggie

    seceder,

    Search me. But I still think there are worse backgrounds than farming for an Environment Minister to have.

  • Big Maggie

    Driftwood,

    I think I’ve cracked it. When used in a smiley the semicolon indicates a wink 😉

    Now, as we all know, the Hebrew used in Scripture contains no vowels, only consonants. Therefore “wink” will be written in the same way as “wank”.

    Hence the Calvinist Congregation of Lisburn’s aversion to the semicolon :^)

  • Seceder

    Big Maggie like say a town planner – as planning remains a big part of the Environment portfolio, or possibly waste management, maybe some interest in conservation or an open mind on local councils.

    All in all Poots is one of the least well qualified for Environment his cse in milking and richardson’s 2sward is really rather irrelevant

  • Big Maggie

    Seceder,

    “or possibly waste management”

    I take issue with that! Edwin Poots being a Bible scholar is an expert on waste management a.k.a. anti-onanism. See if you can follow my reasoning here.

    Take for example this piece of scientifically sound genealogy as found in Genesis 11:

    And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram’s wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor’s wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah. But Sarai was barren; she had no child. And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

    So far so good eh? But look what happens when we use that satanic semicolon:

    And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram’s wife was Sarai wank and the name of Nahor’s wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah. But Sarai was barren wank she had no child. And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram’s wife wank and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan wank and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

    With all that self-pollution going on there’d have been far less begetting in those times. No, Jehovah was quite correct to smite that tosser Onan with boils or acne or whatever.

    And don’t forget that Poots and the Pooters believe in a 6000-year-old earth, the calculation being based on those same genealogies. They know a thing or two I tell you.

    And you probably thought they were nutters.

  • John K Lund / Lllamedos / Suchard

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  • Driftwood

    Big Maggie
    I note that the colon seems to be allowed, but not the semi colon.

    Do you think Edwin has ever been embarrassed by a semi? 😉

  • Big Maggie

    Driftwood,

    LOL. I see they’re getting stuck into poor Edwin’s colon over here :^)

  • Gréagoir O Frainclín

    “Scriptural passages reproduced in print by the Congregation may not include certain forms of punctuation, notably the semi-colon, that it regards as lewd in appearance and disruptive to the immediacy of the divine word.”

    Facinating stuff. Nonsense, but facinating.

    And it’s facinating too, that that great intellect Nelson McCausland, who is “Oxford educated”, believes in such nonsense.

    😉

    What’s that old saying again…”a wank is as good as a nob” or something! Ah yes, definitely sinful stuff.

  • Driftwood

    A semi colon is as good as a wank to a blind bat, to paraphrase Rod Stewart.

    Poots perhaps prefers the latter to the former, which makes him a ……

    Though with a semi, it’s not great. So i’m told.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Keep it down, it wouldn’t do for Paul Berry to get wind of this thread.