“it is with great sadness and no small degree of anger….”

Ahead of tonight’s loyalist Pride of the Bann flute band parade in Coleraine, the Belfast Telegraph is reporting that several of those appearing in court yesterday charged in connection with the murder of Kevin McDaid are band members, and one is a former member of the UDP (strange set of ‘mavericks.’)

Worth noting again is the statement released by the band when it decided to curtail its route for tonight’s parade:
It is with great sadness and no small degree of anger that Pride of the Bann Flute resent the way they have become embroiled in a controversy over their 32nd annual band parade
That decision was welcomed by some but not all.
Rest assured, though, that the band fully intend to return to the traditional route soon.

  • Mack

    Reader – not sure what you’ve written makes sense. We’re discussing Pride of Bann and the McDaid murder, not the general case – which I think is causing most of the unfortunate and unseemingly tension on this threads with commenters reluctant to comdemn for in case they acdcidentally concede some greater strategic point.

    If the organisations you list provide support for terrorism, & their members are convicted of murder then, yes I think so. I only found out about that McIlwee cup tonight, disgraceful really and counter productive, I couldn’t imagine that happening in the south at all..

  • is that right ?

    tbh these bunch of scum look more intimidating than any loyalist band ive seen

    http://www.irishnews.com/appnews/540/542/2008/9/18/597984_357584863257Republican.html

    “I only found out about that McIlwee cup tonight, disgraceful really and counter productive”

    try this….

    http://ograshinnfein.blogspot.com/2008/07/martin-hurson-and-tyrone-volunteers.html

    and this…..

    http://www.nwipp-newspapers.com/UH/free/357503636564602.php

    do a bit of research….you may be surprised…i Was

    and btw its not alright saying its in private grounds……..MY BLOODY TAX WENT INTO THOSE SECTARIAN “SPORTS” GROUNDS !!!!! no further public monies should be put into this divisive sectarian club.

  • well then

    Mack

    “I couldn’t imagine that happening in the south at all.. ”

    “The police inspector informed the army stating that Barrett and the G.A.A. were refusing to recognise the British Authority. The military took possession of the field and placed machine guns on all the walls to prevent the sports from being held. Meanwhile the local G.A.A. and IRA members prepared another field outside the town. The complete sports were carried out secretly with the police and military being cleverly outwitted and completely unaware of what was happening.”

    Extract from http://athenrygaa.ie/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=90

    The only historical difference from where I stand is the first two letters of their name

  • RepublicanStones

    ‘tbh these bunch of scum look more intimidating than any loyalist band ive seen’

    Havent’ seen too many loyalists then have we?

    Tell me, do many unionists live on that football pitch?

    And knowing Pomeroy very, very well, the route of that particular parade passed exactly one, i say again, one protestant household, which just happens to be opposite the local Church. Do try harder.

  • Brian MacAodh

    If the RIRA really wanted to turn the peace process on its head and turn the province back to the troubles they might attempt to blow up the band on its route. I pray to God something like this doesn’t happen

  • Reader

    Mack: We’re discussing Pride of Bann and the McDaid murder, not the general case
    And I honestly don’t see why you don’t see the obvious problem with that statement. We have had about 3000 murders over this sort of stuff. Every one of them matters, there are hundreds if not thousands of murderers in this place, some convicted, others not, probably belonging to all sorts of clubs and organisations with every sort of political and religious slant. How can you possibly expect to treat one victim as a special case?

  • Mack

    Well then

    That’s a long time ago in an undivided society. The GAA has incredibly strong brand. When I think of the GAA it’s all good memories and connotations, I’d have no problem bringing northern Protestant friends to Croker to watch a game (especially, I think International Rules). Up until now, I’ve always thought unionist anti-pathy was ignorance of the facts or maybe just bigotry. Clearly, there is stuff that is damaging the GAA’s reputation in the north. I’ve no problem with Republicans or Loyalists commerating or celebrating anything as long as they don’t hurt others in the process. Bringing this kind of politics into sport is very bad idea in the divided society like NI – there are surely other places where Republicans can remember their dead.

  • Mack

    Reader –

    This one happened at the weekend & we’re discussing it now. If you disagree with “the politics of condemnation” of a specific incident, because you know, there are lots of incidents and lots of guilty people then don’t condemn. I remember hearing that type of excuse somewhere before though…

  • seamus friel

    It will be interesting to see if there is a connection between the attacks in Coleraine and sectarian attacks in Derry including a similar attack on a man in the Waterside area which has left him in a coma for the past couple of years . One of those charged was allegedly named as the main person behind the attack in Derry but lack of proof allowed him to go free. Only 1 of the 6 attackers was charged and convicted, a teenager. This individual was living in the Fountain then. He then moved to Coleraine where it is now alleged he murdered Kevin Mc Daid. Time will tell.

  • Driftwood

    Person from Republic of Ireland didn’t know the GAA was a sectarian, pro terror, anti protestant organisation shocker!
    Mack, if you believe the GAA is just a Roman Catholic sporting organisation, then I assume you also believe that the Taliban/Al Queda are just trying to promote their ‘spritual’ outlook without offending those who think differently?
    Wasn’t it Hannah Arendt who talked about the’ banality of evil’ ?

  • Reader

    Mack: If you disagree with “the politics of condemnation” of a specific incident, because you know, there are lots of incidents and lots of guilty people then don’t condemn.
    I condemn this murder, and I am perfectly willing to condemn any similar incident. Your mistake was to suggest a specific plan of communal punishment without having any general principles to base it on.
    Unless communal punishment for loyalists *is* your general principle.

  • Big Maggie

    I’m so relieved that the Unionist march in Coleraine progressed peacefully. There’s hope yet.

    Just a thought, but wouldn’t it be a grand gesture for the Shame of the Bann flute band to lay a wreath on Kevin McDaid’s grave. It could read something like: “We’re not all bigots and murderers. Sorry for your loss.”

    That was my thought before bed. Goodnight.

  • Mack

    Reader –

    I didn’t suggest a plan of communal punishment – I pointed out what the right / decent course of action for the band to take, which met with some resistance from those who think the people responsible are blow common decency.

    Driftwood –

    I don’t think those competitions in Tyrone and Derry are representative of the GAA as a whole. In fact I think many GAA members & fans in Dublin would be shocked by their existence. By and large the GAA as a whole isn’t a sectarian or Roman Catholic organistation but a Gaelic sporing / cultural organisation. Whoever is responsible for those competitions should certainly rethink them.

  • Big Maggie

    Just to follow up my last comment with this.

    Today I learned two things: first that it’s perfectly possible to hear a band playing on the other side of the Bann from the McDaid home. If I’d known that I’d have wanted the Shame of the Bann flautists to cancel their march altogether.

    Second I learn that somebody “expressed disappointment that one band stopped at the bridge for several minutes while members chanted.”

    Does anyone know if that band was the Shame of the Bann, and what was chanted?

    And this at the time Kevin McDaid’s coffin was being brought to his home.

    Have these people no decency? That’s a rhetorical question BTW. It’s like pissing on somebody’s grave.

  • Pig Baggie

    “first that it’s perfectly possible to hear a band playing on the other side of the Bann from the McDaid home”

    maybe some sort of ear plugs and possibly sound proofing along the river next year might be of help ? Or maybe the organisers could just invite mime acts to the parade ?

    Then theres the problem of actually SEEING these people, all TV and media coverage should be stopped, large screens should be placed along the routes to hide the bands, and preferably occur at night with all street lighting turned off ?

    is there anything i have missed Maggie ?

  • The mislead pink cap

    “By and large the GAA as a whole isn’t a sectarian or Roman Catholic organistation but a Gaelic sporing / cultural organisation”

    really ?, Ive lost count of the old “protestants have played” GAA chestnut, we know:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/protestant-gaa-star-hounded-out-by-vile-taunts-1049377.html

    “It’s been happening up through the ranks but not really bad until I got to senior level, when I was 18.”

    Its institutionalised for gawds sake

  • Big Maggie

    Pig Maggie,

    “is there anything i have missed Maggie ?”

    Yes, to judge by your heartless, sneering comment, you missed being inculcated with a sense of decency and respect.

  • Mack

    If what Big Maggie says is correct, then I hope that anyone negatively impacted by their behaviour at this difficult time seeks appropriate redress via the courts. Bankrupt the feckers, take their homes, their cars, their businesses if they have any.

  • Frank

    ‘Then theres the problem of actually SEEING these people, all TV and media coverage should be stopped, large screens should be placed along the routes to hide the bands, and preferably occur at night with all street lighting turned off ?’

    Its probably worth allowing the public to see the types that do participate in these events and their open support for terrorists.

    The more publicity the better.

    Its some cultural event !

    http://www.fmfb.co.uk/history.htm

    http://www.fmfb.co.uk/images/John & Selfridge.jpg

    http://www.fmfb.co.uk/images/fr7.jpg

  • Big Maggie

    Frank,

    “Then theres the problem of actually SEEING these people”

    Indeed. Why are Ulstermen so damned ugly? Is it a genetic thing, Scots blood?

    Not all of course but those photos are probably fairly representative.

    Here in contrast are your average Parisians as I know them. The Italians even better and such elegance. Where did Nordies go wrong? Maybe it’s the food :^)

  • the enquirer

    I bet Big Maggie is a bit of a dog.

    sorry make that a totally manking bird :)_

    why else would those thoughts enter ones head..

  • Big Maggie

    The Enquirer,

    My apologies. I didn’t realize that was you on the right in the first photograph :^)

    I can understand why you feel offended. But it’s true isn’t it, the French are so much more attractive than Nordies?