Ulster comedian Carson to swap show microphone for political platform?

BBC reporting that Ulster comedian Frank Carson has joined UKIP stating:

“I’m fed up with all the other political parties and think it’s time for a change, and so do many others.”

Perhaps hes a man chasing after political ambition in the wake of the expenses scandal?

  • Rory Carr

    This is probably the best joke of his whole career.

    At least he’s got the shiny suit so he won’t be at all out of place among the used-car salesmen, mobile phone franchisers, estate agents and dodgy property developers. He might even help keep up party members’ morale by entertaining them with a litany of tasteful off-colour and racist jokes borrowed from his stable of fellow comic has-beens.

    “Have you heard the one about the sad old git who joined the neo-fascist party?….”

  • the joxer

    Yeah,

    This is the first time he’s ever made me laugh.

  • Free Agent

    The embarrasment ambassador strikes again.

  • Comrade Stalin

    I knew Carson wasn’t very funny, but I didn’t know he was a right-wing, xenophobic twat.

  • Rory Carr

    Other likely candidates for UKIP membership would be his fellow traders in the comedy of disparagement of women, “foreigners”, the weak, the old, and anyone who was somehow “different” would be Jim Davis, Bernard Manning, Chubby Brown…well maybe not the last as he is a wee bit, er…well, brown, but I suppose they could always have him dress up in a little jockey suit and have him collect the members’ deerstalker hats and comb out their mutton-chop whiskers at party conference.

  • Greenflag

    Vee haff vays off making you laff und not for ze last time ?

    Gott shave ze Queen sorry mein Fuhrer /Duce .

    Come back Spike Milligan all is forgiven

  • AJJM

    Comrade Stalin,

    Being eurosceptic doesn’t mean you are xenophobic. It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country, over the choice of people who don’t live in the country. It’s about national self-determination.

  • Comerade Tolerance

    Indeed. People with opinions like this must be stopped!

  • It’s a cracker

  • Greenflag

    ajjm ,

    ‘It’s about national self-determination. ‘

    How many countries around the world are self determining their way out of this economic crisis ?

    Here’s a clue. It’s less than one .

    National sovereignty is not what it used to be and if truth be told it never really was what it used to be either but if you wave enough flags and ponce about with the trappings of empire then you too can be persuaded that illusions are reality .

    Nothing wrong with being a euroskeptic-or for that matter being Westminsterskeptic or Dailskeptic or perish the thought Assemblyskeptic . But as the dyslexic comedian said to Frank Carson – The Global economy rules K.O !

  • Dec

    It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country, over the choice of people who don’t live in the country.

    This, coming from a Unionist?

  • OC

    “Plato even called it theatrocracy: its presumption that the common people are qualified to talk about anything and everything, in defiance of immutable laws, leads to the reign oof [sic] posturing, the rhetorical seduction of the powerless, and lawlessness among the powerful.”

    http://www.johnkeane.net/pdf_docs/conferences/sydney_draft.pdf

    “[S]tep by step the demagogues reduced the democracy to that last estate which Plato calls a critical theatrocracy, and Aristotle despises as perverted and unnatural.”

    http://www.archive.org/stream/politicsofaristo00langrich/politicsofaristo00langrich_djvu.txt

    It’s not that comedians are becoming politicians, or even that politicians are becoming comedians.

    It’s that the voters judging political decisions use the same criteria as when they are judging theatrical performance.

  • Greenflag

    Dec

    ‘This, coming from a Unionist? ‘

    Indeed . I was going to say that was a load of hyperbole but hyperbollocksology is probably more accurate ;).

    OC,

    ‘It’s that the voters judging political decisions use the same criteria as when they are judging theatrical performance’

    Reagan , Schwarzenegger , in retro don’t compare too badly with our so called professional politicians . Was’nt it Shakespeare who said all the world’s a stage although he might have drawn a line under the current ‘Westminster Follies ‘now playing to packed audiences and a much needed provider of filling for the tabloids of ‘truth’ 😉

  • griffin

    Dec,

    It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country (Northern Ireland), over the choice of people who don’t live in the country (Republic of Ireland).

    Hope that clears it up.

  • OC

    GF: I’m more worried about candidates trawling for votes on MTV, Saturday Night Live, and The Daily Show.

    What’s next, candidates competing on Dancing With The Stars? [Note: This could be bad for Obama.]

  • Comrade Stalin

    Being eurosceptic doesn’t mean you are xenophobic.

    No, but being in UKIP pretty much does.

    It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country, over the choice of people who don’t live in the country.

    But successive British governments have chosen to continue to pool sovereignty with Brussels for the greater good.

    The idea that there’s something wrong with human rights legislation is quite frightening. Like Europe in general, there are problems with the implementation of these ideals, but that means we need to work at improving those, not chucking them away in pursuit of isolationism.

  • Driftwood

    Rory
    UKIP might well be looking for sad old bigots to join them, but Bernard Manning, alas, will not be among them. If his physical presence does grace their platform, it will indeed be a hell of a comeback.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Plato even called it theatrocracy: its presumption that the common people are qualified to talk about anything and everything, in defiance of immutable laws, leads to the reign oof [sic] posturing, the rhetorical seduction of the powerless, and lawlessness among the powerful.”

    Most folk are living quite happily in the darkness “Plato’s Cave”

    If only they could be allowed out to see the light and their opinions of life might be changed for the better!

  • blinding

    I can see Ukip getting one hell of a vote in the Euro elections.

    They do not have the racist baggage of the BNP but seem to have the mood of the British public.
    With the carry on at westminister at the moment the public are looking for the option of giving the other parties one hell of a kicking.

    It will probably strenghten Euro-sceptics in the Tory party in the long term so this euro election will have long term input in Tory party policy on europe.

    Its not rocket science but if you have not heard it somewhere else then you are hearing it from me first.
    I would put your mortgages on Ukip out polling Labour in England at least.

  • redskin, co down

    maybe Frank Carson should switch to the TUV because Jimbo thinks the rightful heir to Carson-those muppets in the TUV could do with a comedian because they are such a bunch a droll dinosaurs.

    I would vote for Bill Bailey, Dylan Moran, Colin Murphy or Peter Kay if they were in the election, but they are too smart for political parties that’s why they are comedians

  • redskin, co down

    monty python’s life of Brian provides a good reference point for our poltical parties

  • Rusty Lee was the great UKIP catch of the 2005 elections (and IIRC stood for them against Jacqui Smith in Redditch), so obviously UKIP do a good line in forgotten and not-very-funny 1970s comedians desperately trying to relaunch their careers.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    UCUNF…..UKIP …these abbreviations are mental.

    ‘KIP’ is also colloquial word for a place that’s a bit of a dump!

    UKIP’s motto…Keep Britain English, don’t let those Johhny Foreigners in!

    The last I knew of Frankie Carson was that he was living in county Dublin and he was the Lord Mayor of Balbriggan. He’s probably residing in Blackpool now for the hectic ‘comedy’ gigs circuit.

    Gas that he and Bernard Manning are/were devoted Roman Catholics. Frank’s decorated with some Papal title too, as well as for his services in the British Army.

    Ah poor old Frank, the last of a bygone age as well.

  • AJJM

    “No, but being in UKIP pretty much does.”

    That’s as ridiculous as saying everyone in the Alliance Party is a closet-Socialist. They aren’t – Ian Parsley has quite a few Tory links…

    “But successive British governments have chosen to continue to pool sovereignty with Brussels for the greater good.”

    I could pick countless areas to argue against the EU being for the greater good, but I can’t be arsed, so I’ll use 1.

    EU protectionism kills people in the third world. It stops Africa competing, keeping it in poverty. How the hell is that for the greater good?

  • Rory Carr

    Are you saying that Bernard Manning is dead, Driftwood?

    How were they able to tell I wonder.

  • Driftwood

    I actually thought Frank Carson was dead as well Rory. He wasn’t the worst- remember Harry Worth?Mike and Bernie Winters?
    I think Manning was Jewish.
    Vague memories of Carson “Will you take a cheque?”
    Something like that.

    UKIP seem to be a bit strange
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1514830/Off-the-cuff-Cameron-accuses-Ukip-of-being-fruitcakes-and-closet-racists.html

  • Sean Dempsey

    This genuinely seems like a wind up, and no, I am not trying to be funny by saying this.

    FC lives in Balbriggan, North County Dublin. Sure why would someone line out for a UK political party while lving outside of the UK?

  • Dec

    It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country (Northern Ireland), over the choice of people who don’t live in the country (Republic of Ireland).

    Hope that clears it up.

    If by ‘clearing that up’ you mean talking out of your arse, then yes.

  • griffin

    I must admit to being sceptical that outlining the “reality of the situation” would be understood by all.

    It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country over the choice of people who don’t live in the country.

    This coming from a unionist is perfectly normal.

    “Learning about Prods for slow learners”

    I’ve thrown in some nationalist/republican speak to see if that gets you any closer.

  • Seymour Major

    Somebody should tell Frank Carson about this

    http://thurrockpatriots.blogspot.com/2009/05/ukip-condemned-as-euro-mep-expenses.html

    Its the way ya tell em!

  • Big Maggie

    I googled “Frank Carson jokes” and got this:

    “So I rang up British Telecom, I said ‘I want to report a nuisance caller’, he said ‘Not you again’.”

    So I thought: if at first you don’t succeed…

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “I think Manning was Jewish.”

    Bernard Manning was a devout Roman Catholic as I have said already.

  • Big Maggie

    Devout?

  • An inferior native.

    ‘It means you value the choice of the people of the country to decide what happens in the country (Northern Ireland), over the choice of people who don’t live in the country (Republic of Ireland)’

    No dice….you don’t get to pretend history began in 1921. If that were the case unionism wouldn’t be as tainted, but unfortunately we know thats not the case.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Devout?”

    oh absolutely….a rosary and novena specilaist!

  • Driftwood

    Born in the Ancoats district of Manchester, Manning was of Jewish descent Manning’s house in Alkrington, Greater Manchester was called Shalom the Hebrew word for “peace”.

    Greagoir

    it’s no big deal, but he wasn’t a gentile.

    Frank Carson a Brit though? was he staunch>?

  • You can’t eat a flag

    The UKIP is the middle class version of the British National Party. Simple as. In fact, anyone who hates the EU hates it because it enforces rights. The right not to be exploited. The right not to be discriminated against. The right to a maximum working week.

    All anti EU campaigners are little Irelanders and little Englanders who want to ride untrammelled over everyone else without let or hindrance.

  • Big Maggie

    You can’t eat a flag,

    While I love your handle I can’t help feeling there are those who may well take issue with it :^)

    That said, you’re spot on re UKIP. It’s yet another sad manifestation of the hang ’em high, darkies out, greed is good mindset. And guess what, they’ll kill and maim all those who try to persuade us they aren’t.

    The EU and its civil rights legislation is the best thing that’s ever happened for the common folk, and the worst nightmare for the aforementioned.

  • dewi

    Feedback from doorsteps here (Wales) suggests an astonishing UKIP surge in last 3 days. One of their ten MEPs just out of clink and another indicted for money laundering….don’t think that bit has got through.

  • Dave

    Yawn. Why don’t you try learning the difference between the UN and the EU. The EU didn’t get into the human rights business until the Charter in 2000, and it is simply a rehash of the UN’s declarations. The highly dangerous interference of the EU in this area is that it is not predicated on the basis that rights impose restrictions on the actions of states but, rather, it is predicated on states limiting the actions of citizens. The EU’s constitutional treaty (rehashed as the Lisbon Treaty) sought to alter the fundamental political, civil and human rights of the people without the consent of the people. In fact, the EU specifically forbid the people from determining what their own fundamental rights should, declaring that it is states who should determine the rights of the people rather than vice versa. You are making a very bad statist error by allowing the state to determine the rights of the people. That completely defeats the point of such rights. That is why the EU is a highly dangerous anti-democratic quango.

  • Dave

    Typo: “In fact, the EU specifically forbid the people from determining what their own fundamental rights should [b]be[/b], declaring that it is states who should determine the rights of the people rather than vice versa.”

  • Big Maggie

    Dave,

    Nice try but the EU reinforces the UN and its championing of human rights. This means that the UK has to toe the line in such matters, a situation that does not sit well with racist/sectarian parties such as the BNP and UKIP.

    In effect this means that the old, traditional, ways are over and that a new era beckons. I’m rejoicing, why aren’t you?

  • Harry Flashman

    “the neo-fascist party”

    CLUNK!

    (The sound of Harry Flashman’s jaw hitting the table)

    You’re alleging that being opposed to membership of a corporatist Euro superstate is akin to fascism?

    Seriously? In which parallel universe?

    The stench of intolerance rises with every passing day as the corrupt rottenness at the heart of mainstream political parties is exposed to the world.

    Who was it who said that fascism would come back again in the guise of ‘anti-fascism’?

  • Dave

    Big Maggie, stop (if at all possible) talking europhiliac horseshit. The moral authority for human rights resides with the UN. The EU adds nothing to the picture except the anti-democratic concept that states determine the rights of the people. The whole point of human rights is that impose limits on the actions of government, specifying what government must not do. Now, if you allow states to determine what those rights should be, then you have deprived the people of their fundamental protection from government. That is what the EU attempted to do with its shabby little constitution – to set the precedent that states determine the rights of the people and that the people are not permitted to determine those rights. In case you have confused the EU with The European Convention on Human Rights, that is the Council of Europe (47 states) and is not the EU. The EU is a dirty little wannabe totalitarian state.

  • Dave

    What is particularly dangerous about the EU is that folks wrongly see it as an alliance of states rather than a merger of them. In that way, they see it as a multi-state guarantor of rights rather like the UN. Bad mistake. It is essentially one state, and that will be very much apparent if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified. It must not be permitted to assert that it has primacy to the UN. If that happens, then you are in a state where your rights are determined by that state and not by the moral authority of that multi-state alliance.

  • Big Maggie

    Dave,

    “Big Maggie, stop (if at all possible) talking europhiliac horseshit.”

    All right. I will.

  • Big Maggie

    Dave,

    Just a little tidbit before I retire. I think you’ll enjoy it, as it shows how the EU overrode a disgraceful UK ruling and instead substituted “its shabby little constitution”:

    ——————–
    Two British men should not have had their DNA and fingerprints retained by police, the European Court of Human Rights has ruled.

    The men’s information was held by South Yorkshire Police, although neither was convicted of any offence.

    The judgement could have major implications on how DNA records are stored in the UK’s national database.

    The judges said keeping the information “could not be regarded as necessary in a democratic society”.

    Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was “disappointed” by the European Court of Human Rights’ decision.

    The database may now have to be scaled back following the unanimous judgement by 17 senior judges from across Europe.

    Under present laws, the DNA profiles of everyone arrested for a recordable offence in England, Wales and Northern Ireland are kept on the database, regardless of whether they are charged or convicted.

    The details of about 4.5m people are held and one in five of them does not have a current criminal record.

    Both men were awarded £36,400 (42,000 Euros) in costs, less the money already paid in legal aid.

    The court found that the police’s actions were in violation of Article 8 – the right to respect for private and family life – of the European Convention on Human Rights.

    It also said it was “struck by the blanket and indiscriminate nature of the power of retention in England and Wales”.

    The judges ruled the retention of the men’s DNA “failed to strike a fair balance between the competing public and private interests,” and that the UK government “had overstepped any acceptable margin of appreciation in this regard”.

    The court also ruled “the retention in question constituted a disproportionate interference with the applicants’ right to respect for private life and could not be regarded as necessary in a democratic society”.
    ————-

    Nice eh? There are many more such instances but I thought you’d enjoy this one.

  • Danny O’Connor

    Comedian joins comedians,hahaha,

  • Mayoman

    Dave accusing others of talking ‘horsehit’, now there’s comedy! XD

  • #

    Dave accusing others of talking ‘horsehit’, now there’s comedy! XD
    Posted by Mayoman on May 17, 2009 @ 09:32 AM

    Exactly mayoman, that guy can’t see the irony of it.

  • Reader

    Big Maggie: I think you’ll enjoy it, as it shows how the EU overrode a disgraceful UK ruling and instead substituted “its shabby little constitution”:
    The EU did no such thing. It was the ECHR.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights
    Note the presence of Sweden and Switzerland on the list!
    You know; a Europhile really ought to be much better informed.

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “Greagoir

    it’s no big deal, but he wasn’t a gentile.”

    Hello, hello, hello Driftwood.

    Can I clear this point up pleeze.

    Regarding the faith of Bernard Manning, but I do remember seeing a programme he made for C4 to be screened after his death. In it he stated that he was a practicing Roman Catholic. He admitted he had Jewish as well as Orish blood, but the man was a practicing Roman Catholic.

    Here’s a bit of reading …..

    (BTW he was once an altar boy too)

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0543235/bio

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/bernard-manning-453732.html

    http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=53589&in_page_id=34∈_a_source=

    It’s all very kosher!

  • Mayoman

    Reader, thanks for highlighting even more forcefully that European co-operation is a good thing. Hope all the UKIP-ophiles read your link too. Also, from reading that entry, it appears they are linkied to some degree, and will be fully linked in time.

    “The Council of Europe and the European Union are based on the same values and pursue common aims with regard to the protection of democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms and the rule of law. These common aims have led the Council of Europe and the European Union to develop a very tight network of relations and cooperation links (participation of the European Commission to meet Council of Europe activities, accession of European Union to Council of Europe Conventions, etc.)”

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    “The UKIP is the middle class version of the British National Party.”

    Indeed, and gas all this ‘hatred’ of Europe stuff, when in fact the whole history and culture of England would be totally different today without the influence of mainland Europe. Danes, German Angles and Saxons, French Normans, Jews, French Hugenots, Dutch, more Germans, etc…etc…
    Kings and Queens, Painters, Poets, Writers, Composers, Merchants, Traders, Tradesmen… etc all contributing to the history and culture England… William the Conquerer, William of Orange, Handel, Hadyn, Holbein….etc, etc, etc the wealth of influence is infinite.

    Why, for example, there were 2 programmes on telly last night, one on C4 about the very French King, Richard the III, aka the Coeur de Leon, who was indeed an out and out Frenchman, who never spoke a word of English and only spent 6 months in the country in all his years as King of England. Yet he is known today as Richard the Lionheart and a very English sort of chap too.
    The other programme on BBC2 was about the brilliant Baroque German composer GF Handel, who settled in England, yet retained his heavy German accent and who became great friends with the German King of England, George. But the programme set out to establish Handel as a very English composer. No mention either of the fact that Handel finished writing his greatest work ‘The Messiah’ in Dublin where it was given it’s very first performance too.

    There are massive contradictions regarding these UKIP Euro skeptics ideology, one of which is a great denial of this heavy European influence on English culture, but given the wonderful myths that are concocted over there to contrive a very ‘English’ history, sure tis no wonder. Masters of it here too on the island of Ireland.

    BTW, and as we all have our “Great British Sunday Roast” today….well it’s French in origins.

  • Greenflag

    Dave ,

    ‘It(EU) must not be permitted to assert that it has primacy to the UN.

    You mean like those States such as North Korea , Israel , Zimbabwe , Myanmar , China etc that not only ignore UN resolutions on human rights but in some cases continue their anti people atrocities within their ‘sovereign’ frontiers ?

    ‘If that happens, then you are in a state where your rights are determined by that state and not by the moral authority of that multi-state alliance. ‘

    Rubbish . Common sense , direct observation and personal experience tell me that my ‘human ‘ rights are far better protected in the EU or in any State belonging to the EU than they would be in any of the above mentioned
    ‘sovereign ‘ States .

    The Irish people are sophisticted enough voters to be able to give FF a kick in the electoral goolies while voting for the Lisbon Treaty.

  • Reader

    Mayoman: Reader, thanks for highlighting even more forcefully that European co-operation is a good thing. Hope all the UKIP-ophiles read your link too.
    Indeed, it might do them some good. My point is the the ECHR is entirely separate from the EU. And non-EU countries and their citizens benefit from participation in the ECHR.
    Personally, I want to remain in a looser EU grouping than at present. The EU feels that it needs to reorganise in order to force EU legislation on member states without all that hassle with vetoes and national commissioners. If the EU had fewer ambitions to be a superstate, they wouldn’t feel the need to centralise power.
    Now – does the above paragraph make me anti-EU?

  • Comrade Stalin

    AJJM:

    That’s as ridiculous as saying everyone in the Alliance Party is a closet-Socialist. They aren’t – Ian Parsley has quite a few Tory links…

    Two bullshit strawmen in one fell swoop.

    EU protectionism kills people in the third world. It stops Africa competing, keeping it in poverty. How the hell is that for the greater good?

    It’s not. Being pro-Europe does not mean regarding the whole edifice as a shining example to the world. I’m opposed to the CAP and I think it needs to be reformed or even abolished. I think the way the EU Constitution morphed into the Lisbon Treaty was outrageous. But my conviction remains that Europe benefits us more than it harms us, especially when it comes to its greater objectives, namely ending a tradition of centuries of war between European states and encouraging economic competitiveness in a global economy.

  • Greenflag

    greagoir o frainclin ,

    ‘one on C4 about the very French King, Richard the III, aka the Coeur de Leon, who was indeed an out and out Frenchman, who never spoke a word of English and only spent 6 months in the country in all his years as King of England. Yet he is known today as Richard the Lionheart and a very English sort of chap too.’

    True apart from the untruth about Richard III being the Lionheart Crusader . That would have been the first Dick . The second Dick was the one who won the submission of the Irish Chieftains and Norman lords in the course of a 7 month sojourn in Ireland circa 1394 ? This second Dick spent a further three months in Ireland following the death of his heir apparent Mortimer in a fracas with the Kavanagh chieftain in the Wicklow Mountains . Mortimer felt so comfortable in Ireland that he went into battle against the Irish minus his technological advantages i.e chain mail . Dick II was also the ruthless tyrant who as a 14 year old confronted Wat Tyler’s revolting English peasants outside London and had the leader killed and had so many of the peasants hanged that they did not ‘revolt’ ever again . Dick III was he of the ‘mythological ‘ hump and it was he who put an end to the Norman Plantagenet dynasty .

    In the matter of Irish and indeed British history it is important to get your dicks right . Admittedly it was a long time ago but I believe that in the remoter villages of the Wicklow Mountains you may occassionnally come across a wary native who will in a passing aside remark whether or not that ‘second dick f***er’ has gone back to London or not ;)?

  • Greenflag

    ‘There are massive contradictions regarding these UKIP Euro skeptics ideology, ‘

    These Euro skeptics should read Anne De Courcey’s .’Diana Mosley’ the Mitford beauty and wife of Sir Oswald Mosley former British Fascist Union leader and friend of Mussolini , Hitler and others of the far right . Mosley was so pro european that after World War 2 his family divided their time between Ireland (Galway and Cork ) and France

    Mosley believe it or not was not too unpopular in Ireland mainly due to the fact that his second wife (Diana ) had previously been married into the Guinnesses and he (Mosley) had publicly criticised the British Government for it’s use of the ‘irregulars’ i.e Black and Tans against the Irish .

    His son Max used to enjoy living in Galway where they hunted with the East Galways .

    Outside and prior to his Fascist ‘renewal ‘ Mosley was elected for Labour and served as a Minister . He also came close to defeating Chamberlain in a Birmingham constituency the latter winning by 70 votes. Many believed that Mosley was the only politician who could have been either a Labour or Conservative Prime Minister given the right political circumstances . Fortunately he never did . Instead the Brits had to make to with the chinless Chamberlain , the pugilistic Churchill and the soft spoken Clement Attlee.

    Today the choice is between another chinless wonder and a battered and bruised dour oul Scot . Plus ca change

  • Scooby

    I’m sorry but UKIP are hardly racist. They’re eurosceptic yes but that doesn’t mean you’re a bigot. They’ve a tough stance on immigration but that hardly makes you xenophobic. At least they want immigration the BNP wants none!!

  • Keep It Honest

    A middle class version of the BNP?
    Xenophobic?
    Keeping foriegners out?
    Yet their membership now includes someone who would refer to himself as an Irish Catholic and is of Italian descent and a Jamaican born black woman.

  • Rory Carr

    “I’m sorry but UKIP are hardly racist.”

    If you think that, Scooby, then all I can think is that you have not had the dubious pleasure of being in the same bar as a bunch of them after one of their meetings (that would be the saloon bar of course where “mine good host’s lady wife reigns supreme”).

    It’s like being dropped among a bunch of boozy Afrikaaners circa 1967 .

  • Big Maggie

    Reader,

    Many thanks for the link. Perhaps you missed these lines in the Wiki article:

    “The court consists of a number of judges equal to the number of Contracting Parties, which currently stand at 47. Each judge is elected in respect of a Contracting Party by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe.”

    Britannia rules and Europe overrules. May it long continue.

    Rory,

    “It’s like being dropped among a bunch of boozy Afrikaaners circa 1967 .”

    Spot on. The Ukippers tend to have another name for the kaffirs though.

  • Greenflags

    ‘The Ukippers tend to have another name for the kaffirs though.’

    And it’s not Comrade ‘kaffirs’ 😉

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Cheers Greenflag, I knew it would be yourself who’d know his King Richards and spot the two extra II.

  • Reader

    Big Maggie: Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe
    Let me guess. Now you think that the Council of Europe is the EU? It isn’t – don’t get confused!
    http://www.coe.int/aboutCoe/index.asp?page=nepasconfondre&l=en

  • Big Maggie

    Reader,

    Thanks again but really I’m not confused. I can google as well as the next woman. But I’ll simply write “Europe” next time :^)

  • Greenflag

    GOF ,

    ‘I knew it would be yourself who’d know his King Richards’

    Nevertheless the legend of the heroic Islamic slaughtering war mongering crusader remains alas alive as we see hereunder .

    http://www.kingrichardsfaire.net

    In honour of and as a mark of respect for the dastardly knights of Wall St & Washington – festivities will this year include that well known stage act made famous by one Blackadder iirc i.e the Jumping Jews of Jerusalem now updated to the Wall St Jumpers for political correctness and their back up team the Washington DC Wailers . Jumpers and Wailers will proceed to the performance location on the 54 th floor of the Citibank skyscraper and will leap individually into the ether whenever the Dow Jones drops or rises by ten points 😉 Bail out parachutes golden or otherwise will not be supplied . City Sanitation vehicles will be on hand to clear up any financial or political sector detritus . Hopefully they’ll be kept busy for the entire weekend ;)?

    Organisers of the event are even hopeful of attracting visiting teams from other countries to participate in the jumping . Hopes are high that such infamous ‘dastards’ as the Dail Ireland Dodgers , Westminster Wanderers, Belfast Spongers , Brussels Bamboozlers, Papal State Pirates ,Canterbury Canticlers , Conservative Castle Moaters , and Labour Remodellers will all get a chance to show off their survival skills when they ahem leap from the ledge . A special team of Japanese Sons of Nippon crowd pushers will be on hand to help those who entertain last minute doubts as to the likely intervention of their chosen God either Mammon or JC or Jahweh to arrange a soft landing 😉

  • Reader

    Big Maggie: But I’ll simply write “Europe” next time
    Being part of Europe is not optional. We’re on the continental shelf.
    However, the extent to which our laws are made by various international bodies is (still) optional.
    I would definitely want a referendum on the Lisbon Constitution. However, I don’t have a problem with the ECHR.
    I feel you have been trying to demonstrate the benefits of EU membership for UK citizens. Do you want to have another go?

  • Gabriel

    Whose next Jimmy cricket ?

  • Greagoir O Frainclin

    Greenflag,

    Ha ha …..indeed, all the fun of the faire at King Richard’s 16th century renaissance dineylandesque carnival…. and gas, the last King Richard of England long dead since 1485.

    Better patent those words of jest above too, Dan Brown is looking for inspiration for his next blockbuster bout the present credit crunch.

    🙂

  • Greenflag

    Reader

    ‘I would definitely want a referendum on the Lisbon Constitution.’

    It’s null points for the Norwegian and Swiss options – As per the latest poll – some 65% are predicted to vote YES to Lisbon . Since the last referendum it’s been seen that the island was moved too close to the edge of the continental shelf for it’s own good . Dave and the Europhobes (sounds like a rapper gig ) may look forward to a 6,000 feet drop to the Atlantic bottom but the Irish voters will want to stay on higher if still damp ground.

  • Greenflag

    GOF ,

    Dan Brown is looking for inspiration for his next blockbuster about the present credit crunch.

    🙂

    Well if he’s short of a title here’s a few gratis

    ‘Demons of Derivation ‘
    ‘The Madoff Conspiracy’
    ‘The Lehman Protocol’
    ‘Sterns Bares All’
    ‘Who’s Afraid of Hedge Funds’
    ‘The Great Greenspan’
    ‘Darkness in August’
    ‘The Mortgage Broker Always calls Thrice ‘
    ‘Smile smile and be a Villian’
    ‘For Whom the Wall St Bell Tolls’
    ‘Scared New World -Scared Shitless Old World’
    ‘Paulson’s Wake’
    ‘Gone with the CDO’s’
    ‘Mourning becomes the New Normal’
    ‘True Shit ‘
    ‘The Rise and Fall of Merrill Lynch /Bear Sterns / Lehmans /AIG/Enron /WorldCom etc etc ad infinitum ‘
    ‘The Petrified Middle Class’
    ‘East of Wall St’
    ‘The Grapes of Merrill’
    ‘Of Elephants and Donkeys’
    ‘Uncle Tom’s Foreclosure’
    ‘A Confederacy of Economists’
    ‘Fat Cats on Hot Sloping Roofs ‘
    ‘Bonfire of the Certainties’

    I’m sure you can add to the list 🙂

    There should be no shortage of material .

  • Frank

    Carson seems well suited to UKIP

    “Among his victims tonight will be gays, lesbians, and a selection of hapless foreigners including a linguistically challenged oriental gentleman whose inability to pronounce the word “comedian” gets one of the biggest laughs of the night. But Carson also brings his act up to date with a poke at the radical cleric Abu Hamza and women in burqas – a routine which sees him speaking to one veiled caller through the letterbox of his front door. “See how you like it?” he says.”

  • Big Maggie

    Frank,

    “women in burqas – a routine which sees him speaking to one veiled caller through the letterbox of his front door. “See how you like it?” he says.”

    Actually that’s very funny :^)

  • Greenflag

    Frank ,

    ‘a routine which sees him speaking to one veiled caller through the letterbox of his front door. “See how you like it?” he says.” ‘

    LOL 🙂 But was the letterbox in the mid door horizontal or in the top vertical position ?

    The former would have meant Frank having to (depending on his height)

    a) Kneel down
    or b) Bend over ?

    The vertical letterbox position would present a physical challenge . Frank would have to levitate in a horizontal position to letterbox level and then execute a sharp 90 degree flip with his back to the street thus ensuring eye contact with his ‘victim ‘

    Still it’s the way he tells em eh ?

  • Big Maggie

    Joking aside I doubt if the burka wearers “like” being dressed that way. Would any man here? Would any Muslim man?

    The sad fact is that this monstrosity of a garment is imposed by men to ensure the subservience of women. Oh yes, you’ll hear some Muslim women (as I have) insisting that it’s their choice. That’s like voluntarily wearing a fur coat in a heatwave. I don’t believe it for one minute.