Would the Tories be better for the Union?

O’Neill thinks so (sorry O!)… Though I am not sure I buy all of his reasoning, not least that little bit of futuring about being the government of four parts of the Union (getting MPs elected is not being made any more likely by the continued lack of credible candidate matches for its three target seats)… The one, apparently (the Tories have been moving around a fair amount; NHS funding for instance) point he makes is worth repeating:

The modern Conservative Party is one, by necessity, built on pragmatism and a fair bit of libertarianism. Brown’s attempt to impose a “one-size-fits all” version of Britishness will not be repeated; the much more sustainable (and easier to sell) “umbrella” version will inevitably emerge.

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  • kensei

    This is an appalling mix of wish fulfillment fantasy and crude politicing of the worst kind the first time I read it. It remains so.

    a) Cameron and the Conservatives, unlike Brown (who has run to drape himself in the Union flag for purely party political reasons) are Unionists by conviction- much easier to fight your corner when you genuinely believe in the cause you’re fighting for.

    I think it is deeply unfair to Brown to suggest his Unionism has no roots. No evidence is supplied. Tories good, Labour bad. Fits with O’Neill’s politicla prejudices. Odd, that.

    e) The Conservative Party will be (as per point b) the government of all the UK. It will also be, unlike Labour presently, “governing England” with the mandate of the English electorate.

    It hardly needs pointed out there is a zero chance of a Conservative majority anywhere but England. Bu his own logic the Conservatives will only be “governing Scotland” or “governing Wales” with English votes.

    A minority in Wales, a few votes in Scotland doe snot give your governance there moral force. I don’t mention NI; simply because whether or not teh Conservatives have 0 votes or 3 here is so completley irrelevant, either to them or to us.

    I’ll also hold my fire on the authoritarianism or otherwise of the “modern Conservative Party” until they are actually in power. It’s very easy to be liberal or libertarian outside of government. It’s also harder to be caught out by Salmond (or worse, regional members of your own party) when in opposition.

  • Zoon Politikon

    Whether the Nationalist Community believes that modern history began in 1916 or the Unionist Community belief in 1690 is now a moot point. All democrats must concede that 1998 is now the datum for modern history and the Northern Ireland Act 1998 is the new constitution lawful contract for the citizens that live here, be in the North of Ireland or Northern Ireland:referendums were held in both jurisdictions; one to bring about a new power-sharing assembly and constitutional arrangement in Northern Ireland and the other to amend the Irish Constitution which recognised the right of the majority to remain within the union with Great Britain. Section one of the above statute is interesting as it sets out this new constitutional status:

    ‘(1) It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland voting in a poll held for the purposes of this section in accordance with Schedule 1.
    ‘(2) But if the wish expressed by a majority in such a poll is that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland, the Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish as may be agreed between Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom and the Government of Ireland.

    As Thomas Jefferson said, “A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” If and when sub-section 1(2) is activated it will be interesting to see if the Unionist Community rebels and if history will repeats itself albeit with the show on the other foot.

  • Kensei has been good enough to put down two of the other reasons I supplied to support my argument; but with Mick omitting my link(!), the rest can be read here: http://tinyurl.com/djjfn8

  • Frustrated Democrat

    Of course a vote for the Conservatives and Unionists will be the best way to ensure that the United Kingdom is maintained.

    They are on record as saying that they passionately support all of the United Kingdom, will be persuaders for it and will control the purse strings here if they form the next Government.

    No other local party can even get close to that.