Turn the other cheek to Iris

After the PSNI’s decision not to prosecute her for hate crime you wouldn’t expect Iris to be contrite. When the row broke, she followed standard practice on all sides to squeeze the last ounce of victimhood out of the situation.
“I am defending the word of God. I think at the moment there is a witch hunt to curb or actually stop or prevent Christians speaking out and I make no apology for what I said because it’s the word of God. But at the same time I was very careful in saying that I have nothing against any homosexual. I love them; that is what the Lord tells me, to love the sinner and not the sin. And just as a murderer can be redeemed by the blood of Christ so can a homosexual.”

Interesting though that since the PSNI’ s statement, Iris herself has remained silent, certainly at the time of writing 24 hours later. It was left to a party statement to say she was expressing ” a personal view,” which I read an an attempt to close down the controversy. However the very idea of prosecution should never have arisen. This was a case of conscientious free speech, not incitement. Toleration should be indivisable. Behind the uproar of protest against her original remarks on the Nolan show lies a growing bedrock of acceptance of gay rights and a legal framework that endorses them. The old bigotry is far from dead but we have come a long way from Save Ulster from Sodomy. More and more, homophobia is on the defensive. Nevertheless we can expect lots of argie-bargey when the gay and lots of other rights come up in the latest consultation on the NI Human Rights Bill. For my part, I suspect the Bill as recommended is over – prescriptive but I look forward to an intelligent debate. If Iris’s comments set the level for the DUP’s contributions, I doubt if we’ll get one.

  • It was Sammy Mc Nally what done it

    If we are to assume that the people return the party that best refelects their own views then the Ulster unionist people who have returned the DUP must surely be the most conservative and backward people in Europe.

    I wonder if many however, vote for the DUP because they cannot trust the British government or UU/Cons/NF and simply tolerate the 17th century/bible based beliefs of the leaders because the DUP are deemed the best bet to defend against a growing Nationalist agenda. This presumption may be backed by the indication that a large majority of those who declare themselves as having no religion are in Protestant constituencies.

  • “More and more, homophobia is on the defensive.”

    Although Robinson’s remarks were ill-tempered and poorly advanced, there is no warrant whatsoever for prosecuting her. That people are even [i]suggesting[/i] that course of action sends shivers up my spine. If it became illegal to criticize homosexual practices, then a substantial proportion of the population would have be thrown in jail, for many people, myself included, would totally ignore such an abridgement on our religious freedom.

  • Modernist

    Must be Sammy. Any young protestant people Ive hung around with in Belfast never really seemed like the sort that would agree with the usual DUP sectarian/homophobic drivel.

  • Gregory

    Homophobia is the new McCarthyism, I was active in sexual politics in the 1970s, when Harriet Harman was at the NCCL, and the gay sub-committee was a pedophile front.

    Can Harriet Harman MP make the same claim *in* the commons? I don’t think so. The paedophile leadership by my recollection ( and I opposed Harman at the time), was still on the premises.

    Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child …
    9 Mar 2009 … Harriet Harman’s political judgement has been called into … to NCCL were the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for …
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/…/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law... – Similar pages

    What the gay radicals want to do in Belfast is have sex with youngsters in PSNI tolerated brothels.

    That’s their plan.

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    “If Iris’s comments set the level for the DUP’s contributions, I doubt if we’ll get one. ”

    I discussed that with the remaining PoCA lobbyists, those that are left.

    We no longer have a Mary Whitehouse, the internet has alerted pro-pedophiles they have a weight of numbers, and circumstances couldn’t possibly be more favorable for them.

    Put it another way, they can compete quite nicely (as an identity) as a major demographic in Britain, do the number of men using child pornography outnumber the gays? It is entirely possible.

    What’s changed?

    Some of their political ‘helpers’ from the 1970s are now in office.

    So, I thought it, that particular DUP contribution, was very silly, the only important issue we have in NI is the pedophile one.

    In many respects the DUP are attracting pro-pedophiles because a benchmark for success would be the over-throw of the sodomy/Ulster scenario.

    The DUP are more of a hindrance than a help, they were the same with Jerome Brennan, he wasn;t nice because the bible tells us so, that’s for sure

    Esmond, Martin and me were saying he was a sex trafficker, which as it happens was true.

    Whether gays are damned by biblical sanction, is something we should put on the back-burner, and we should deal with the pedophiles using ‘gay rights’ as a device to push their agenda forward.

    Gregory

  • yo

    “I was active in sexual politics in the 1970s”-
    Gregory.
    That’s just plain weird.

  • Rory Carr

    “I am defending the word of God. I think at the moment there is a witch hunt to curb or actually stop or prevent Christians speaking out and I make no apology for what I said because it’s the word of God.”

    God silent on Iris’s ‘spokesperson’ status.

    by our Celestial Affairs Correspondent

    When asked to comment on Northern Ireland MLA, Iris Robinson’s claim that she spoke on His behalf, His Divine Omnipotence uttered a terse, “No comment”.

    Sources close to God have speculated that He is “not best pleased” with Robinson’s claim and although they would not confirm that a demonstration of Divine Wrath was in the offing, neither would they deny the possibility.

    The consternation caused by Robinson’s claim is exacerbated by the troubled negotiations over the franchise for Divine Spokesperson for next season. Although the Wahabi Muslim leader had hoped to renew his existing franchise it is believed that both the Dalai Lama and Pope Benedict have put in attractive bids and neither can be ruled out.

    One source, who declined to be named, said, “It is highly unlikely that the franchise could be awarded to anyone associated with a church known as the Free Prebyterians. Franchises are not awarded for free and any association with the term would not be prudent.”

    Billy Graham was too deceased to offer comment.

    Ends.

  • Gregory

    My US friends today were visiting Britain in the 1970s to campaign against the *same* people, if it wasn’t for us and Mary Whitehouse pedophilia would be a sexual identity already.

    and if (today) there is a difference, some of the people we targeted are presently govt. ministers. Does that sound good or safe?

    I campaigned against the NCCL in the 1970s, the pedophiles were having a lot of success. They owned the gay sub-committee at the NCCL.

    Christian Voice: Press Release
    20 Jun 2007 … Before she became an MP, Harriet Harman was the legal officer in the … NCCL invited the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile …
    http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/Press/press041.html – 11k – Cached – Similar pages

    If you can fault that factually, let me know. It was the same for some of the other ‘gay’ organizations.

    (note: pedo web-site)

    NOTES
    (2) Opinion submitted to the National Council for Civil Liberties and made available to me at the time, when I was regularly attending meetings of the NCCL …
    http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/sap/sap_notes.htm – 30k – Cached – Similar pages

    Was Harriet Harman for example legal officer at that point?

    Gregory

  • dunreavynomore

    Rory Carr

    “When asked to comment on Northern Ireland MLA, Iris Robinson’s claim that she spoke on His behalf, His Divine Omnipotence uttered a terse, “No comment”.

    Which of the Gods was that? A friend of a woman I know told her that his uncle Dick had spoken to God, (Yahweh, the real God) and he said he had never heard tell of this person and thought she was a ‘figment of someones imagination, perhaps that other fellow who was claiming to be God’.
    I sent word to Thor but he was absent from home and Wodin did not return my call. Mohamed refused to recognise the court and Shiva threatened ‘destruction’…. Mr Rushdie has more work to do.

  • Gregory

    By the way did the CCTV go missing when we had the peg wagging at Gay Pride 08?

    At what point do we get to a place when the CCTV does not go missing? Do we simply get to the deal where it goes missing for changing reasons?

    It is no secret, public sex, brothels (with U18) are being argued for by sex radicals remote controlled from San Diego, Amsterdam and London. That is what changed for Belfast. The ‘nice’ gays are off the podium.

    Why were Catholics attacked at Gay Pride 08?

    We had an agreement, the gays could do whatever they wanted, so long as there were no pedophiles, and no attacks on Catholics.

    In 08 that ‘truce’ went out the window.

    The radicals started it.

    Gregory

  • danielmoran

    brian…. on the iris robinson case, i watched on hearts and minds a few weeks ago, an interview noel thompson had with a very tetchy peter robinson who was reduced to repeating his own answers verbatim. but on another dup subject, i wonder if you could clear up the confusion of whether any high ranking dup figures attended the funeral of pc carroll [when i say attended, i’m referring to the normal practice of going into the chapel as opposed to the usual dup stunt of hanging about outside]. you’ll appreciate it is important since the dup always lectures catholics about supporting the police unconditionally.

  • dunreavynomore

    danielmoran

    Reminds me of my school days in sth Armagh when we were told that it was a ‘grievous sin’ to enter a Protestant Church never mind to attend a service there. This God fellow is a contrary old so and so according to his earthly spokesmen (and they are mostly men)and he gets very upset by people entering certain buildings when he is not being upset by people enjoying sex for non religious reasons. by the way, ‘pc carroll’is an unusual description in Ireland North or South. The term pc is rarely used and I have no idea why unless it goes back to the more militaristic role of police in Ireland than in Britain.

  • The Raven

    *switches off re-runs of X-files…subscribes to the Gregory Channel instead*

    Getting back to the original thread, if we can’t get Iris under hate crimes, are there no laws against abject stupidity and crassness instead?

  • Gregory

    “Getting back to the original thread”

    It was the original thread.

    Nobody is asking for Harriet Harman to be burnt at the stake for considerably more serious matters.

    “The spokesman added: “PIE had been excluded from the NCCL before she became legal officer.””

    I defy her to say that in the commons. The problem with Labor, is that one can’t trust a word they say.

    At least Iris was not ewriting letters asking for 90/95 percent of child pornography to remain legal.

    The problem with many gay organizations in the UK, is that they tend to be non-hostile to pedophiles..

    Paedophile link alarms winners of gay rights awards – The Scotsman
    The Ian Dunn Award was given to Patrick Harvie, the Green MSP, … Susan Macdonald, the national director of the Terrence Higgins Trust Scotland – the …
    thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/Paedophile-link-alarms-winners-of.3341501.jp – 55k – Cached – Similar pages

    Why name a prize after a pedophile?

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    Paedophile Information Exchange: 19 May 2008: Northern Ireland …
    Paedophile Information Exchange. All Northern Ireland Assembly debates on 19 May 2008 « Previous debate Next debate ». 3:30 am. John Dallat (Social …
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ni/?id=2008-05-19.7.1 – 19k – Cached – Similar pages

    The PIE leadership were teachers, it wasn’t just the NCCL they hijacked. Who has the list? The PSNI hasn’t a clue, they are more likely to meet the IPCE, PNVD or whoever.

    So Iris saying something unhelpful, is a thimble to the bucket of real concerns.

    Pedophilia is a *real* crime against children and what Iris was doing was venturing an opinion and if we criminalize free speech, then we are in trouble.

    We need to get to the place, our city centre, CCTV isn’t going missing because of political correctness.

    Gregory

  • Brian Walker

    Tom, I can’t resist asking – how do you know it doesn’t? You’ve missed a lot – (of gay literature only,of course).

  • Gregory

    “Tom, I can’t resist asking – how do you know it doesn’t? You’ve missed a lot – (of gay literature only,of course).”

    Sodomy is not a particularly healthy thing, it is damaging, look at the major surgery pornography ‘actresses’ have to get, the damage is largely unfixable.

    My position is that whatever Iris said, is hardly as bad as naming a gay prize after a pedophile such as was done by the Terence Higgins Trust.

    It is raw McCarthyism, look at that Amnesty protest re: Cardinal Pujats in Belfast

    It was the amnesty partners in a hotel in Riga with privately hired muscle with hand-guns! What has Patrick to say about that?

    It is just outrageous McCarthyism. I’m immune because in the hierarchy of things, I was a major-general in the cause of liberation.

    Nobody would dare litigate me, or post a HC complaint. I know know too much about the GLF, NCCL, and CHE.

    Compared to Harriet Harman, what Iris did was relatively nothing.

    Gregory

  • The Raven

    Gregory I’m a very thick member of the Unionist Community – thicker than most, which is saying something. I am really not very smart at all.

    So I kinda need things explained very very slowly to me. Can you explain to me, how it is that every time we have a discussion on gay rights, a Northern Ireland Bill of Rights, Iris Robinson and her remarks and every allied therein, you find an angle to pitch in about your anti-pedophile work?

    I mean don’t get me wrong. I am sure what you are doing is very valiant, and very relevant to you, and laudable etc, but could you not leave it to when we have a thread that…oh I don’t know…is perhaps skewed to that particular problem?

    As opposed to this one, which I have to say, isn’t?

  • Comrade Stalin

    you find an angle to pitch in about your anti-pedophile work?

    Calling it “work” is pushing the boat out a bit. It’s clearly an obsession, and Gregory goes around banging the door of every political party in the country about it. I heard he once showed up at the Alliance Party and threatened to do a mass leaflet drop in South Belfast to destroy it and its Assembly candidate. And for a while he was doing some sort of protest at the SDLP HQ until they had to call the police to get rid of him.

    Every country needs their nutters. It’s a sign of NI’s progress towards political normality.

    And whether we are talking about Iris, or our particular examples of “care in the community” gone disastrously wrong, people who find the need to concern themselves with what other consenting adults do in their spare time usually have some sort of issue going on in their own lives.

  • Soviet State Tractor

    “I heard he once showed up at the Alliance Party and threatened to do a mass leaflet drop in South Belfast to destroy it and its Assembly candidate. And for a while he was doing some sort of protest at the SDLP HQ until they had to call the police to get rid of him.”

    Showed up? They (once) invited me.

    I have been a political lobbyist a long time, and I wouldn’t take David Ford’s or Anna Lo’s word on anything without checking.

    I do leafleting of SB all the time, brothels, prostitution & etc. That’s what I do, who else would do it? I’m a G/TIP affiliate.

    http://www.state.gov/g/tip/

    Anna Lo *invited* me around once, and other than that I’ve not been near her office.

    Their sister party wants to derogate our child porn laws! The APNI & Lib Dems are hardly our friends.

    the APNI leaflets ( IIRC) were to do with the democrats and summer camps & etc. The APNI were declining to respond to the same democrats.

    The APNI will have letters from Illinois. I’m a conservative, I’m allied to the abolitionist movement.

    16th April 2007 was the first approach to Anna Lo from the democrats

    I don’t think she responded. A couple of dozen kids had just been victimized by British teachers in Illinois, I know that.

    Hence the approach.

    Gregory

    I didn’t
    know you were preparing for
    leafleting South Belfast – I will be
    in
    my Constituency Office tomorrow but I have a meeting at 9.30 am and
    need to be
    out for another one at 11 am. If you are available either at 10 am for
    half an hour or around 12.45 pm I would be happy to meet you at my
    Constituency
    office ( 88 University St )
    tomorrow. We are going to be out ourselves the whole afternoon
    leafleting
    on Post Office closure.

    Anna Lo

  • Gregory

    “And for a while he was doing some sort of protest at the SDLP HQ until they had to call the police to get rid of him. ”

    In your wildest dreams,

    That is just smear stuff.

    I kiboshed an assembly motion on them recently, but that’s about it.

    So, go on, get a PSNI or SDLP statement and post it here!

    Mark Durkan invited me up once, ages ago, and the SB MP once had me up at Stormont.

    Other than that, I’ve only met them in the restaurant at Stormont or in the corridors. They phone me from time to time.

    I’ve nothing to do with them really.

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    “Can you explain to me, how it is that every time we have a discussion on gay rights, a Northern Ireland Bill of Rights, Iris Robinson and her remarks and every allied therein, you find an angle to pitch in about your anti-pedophile work?”

    It is about McCarthyism, fake issues, lies, deceptions, & etc.

    CCTV going missing from central Belfast, what sort of society do you want?

    Why should the gays have more rights than the rest of us? I’m done beig a Taig to anybody, and I’m not being a Taig for Outrage! clones in this town.

    Why do gays keep inviting pedophiles to join their groups?

    I’ve been asking myself that for thirty solid years.

    and because Iris didn’t do very much, did she?

    and Harriet Harman on the other hand did a lot for the NCCL & its gay sub-committee which was a pedophile front group. The leader of Britain’s pedophiles presided at it’s sessions.

    (There you go again, pedophiles running the show for the gays)

    Harmon’s stuff, was far more damaging to gays than anything Iris could do in a hundred years.

    We need to help the gay organizations keep their noses wiped.

    They’re not too good at it themselves.

    Gregory

  • Comrade Stalin

    I kiboshed an assembly motion on them recently, but that’s about it.

    Yeah yeah. Delusions of grandeur.

    So, go on, get a PSNI or SDLP statement and post it here!

    Believe me, nobody wants to waste any more time on you than is necessary, the idea that they would put out statements because of a one-man “human rights” band is ridiculous.

    Mark Durkan invited me up once, ages ago, and the SB MP once had me up at Stormont.

    I’m sure that in both cases they deeply regretted it. There is nothing special about being invited to Stormont. Their mistake is that they probably naively thought you had something serious to say.

  • TAFKABO

    Our Gregory certainly gets around.

    http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/wanker of the week.asp

    I wonder what a raid on his computer hard drives would uncover?

  • TAFKABO

    Try this link if that one doesn’t work.
    It details some run ins Greg has had before with his paedophilia obsession.

    http://tiny.cc/Gregory

  • Gregory

    Grumpy Old Sod?

    “When the NAS/UWT teachers’ union raised concerns about the way the law on pupil-teacher relationships is formulated, Carlin contacted the newspapers and received copious publicity for his claims that they were trying to legalise sex between pupils and teachers, and even between foster-parents and their charges.”

    I might have spoke to the odd journalist. The abuse of trust law is for foster parents as well, obviously.

    That ‘grumpy’ guy also had issues with Kesgrave School.

    BBC NEWS | England | Suffolk | Teacher disciplined over drinking
    3 Feb 2006 … A drama teacher who got drunk with pupils at school parties has been found guilty of unacceptable conduct. Jo Bowen, who taught at Kesgrave …
    news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4678646.stm – Similar pages

    It was that type of school.

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    “Yeah yeah. Delusions of grandeur.”

    You are easily impressed,

    I’ve met Miss Minsk Tractor, and that was for the scrap book. The factory made tractors and not tanks! It was a double fan tazy dozy thing.

    The APNI planned their meeting with me over several weeks. I was the mediator between them and the other party.

    so the 25th thing or whatever was being discussed weeks earlier. And the offer was on the 24th.

    I was just the ‘in between’ person.

    Gregory

    Curran, Catherine wrote:

    Gregory,

    unfortunately due to
    holiday and diary committments,
    Anna will not be able to meet you until the week commencing 7th April,
    we shall
    be in touch then to confirm a date.

    Regards

    Catherine Curran

    From: Gregory Carlin
    To: Lo, Anna
    Date: 24 Apr 2008 – 6:33p.m.
    I do do either of those. 12.45 is good but 10-00 also doable.

    At your CO

    A call to 02890 963164 will get me to the earlier appointment or via
    e-mail. The latter I will plan on attending. So I will be at your
    office 12.45 PM unless I get an e-mail advising the earlier
    appointment.

    I did the Finaghy protest leafleting re: PO closure. That was for
    Esmond.

    Thanks etc.

    Gregory

    Lo, Anna wrote:

    Gregory

    I didn’t
    know you were preparing for
    leafleting South Belfast – I will be
    in
    my Constituency Office tomorrow but I have a meeting at 9.30 am and
    need to be
    out for another one at 11 am. If you are available either at 10 am for
    half an hour or around 12.45 pm I would be happy to meet you at my
    Constituency
    office ( 88 University St )
    tomorrow. We are going to be out ourselves the whole afternoon
    leafleting
    on Post Office closure.

    Anna Lo

  • Gregory

    “Their mistake is that they probably naively thought you had something serious to say. ”

    Mark Durkan was given a document ( by me) generated by WP UK Sheffield, which stated that lap dancing permits were illegal.

    The Women’s Coalition got their copy from me as well. They went to the media, I gave it to Monica myself in person.

    The original doc ( which Mark was the last to be given) was also legal advice to Belfast City Council.

    I got hold of it as part of an agreement between G/TIP and the Home Office investigators.

    That is to say, during a conference call on a Friday, they had by noon, to agree to several things, and we had ‘to hear’ each dept sign-off

    ( and that happened)

    Part of that involved ‘sight of original documents’ sent over to other stakeholders such as Belfast City Council.

    As we arranged the documents, it wasn’t really a leak as such.

    That is the only time I’ve had a private meeting with Mr. Durkan. I was invited up to lunch by the SB MP as well, other than that, I’ve had no dealings with them.

    I’ve done public meetings ( with their city people) at Belfast City Hall relating to the prostitution issues.

    NO other meetings as far as I can recall ecept one with Patricia just before she ent to NICCY.

    So the SDLP story is a crock.

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    “I mean don’t get me wrong. I am sure what you are doing is very valiant, and very relevant to you, and laudable etc,”

    Tht Iris thing, who cares, it was her opinion and there are plenty of gays who view homosexuality as an act of will.

    There are gays who agree with the premise gays can be talked out of being gay, because it is true. Even Peter Tatchell has difficulty accepting the ‘genetic gay’.

    Gregory

  • Cahal

    Gregory, you have just reached legend status.

    You and John O Connell are basically the only reasons I read slugger any more.

    Oh how I love hearing of your mundane exploits and your communications with mildly important people.

    Absolute comedy gold, the pair of you.

    More….MORE!

  • Rainbow Flag

    The other cheek to turn Iris?

  • Brian Walker

    No more on pedophilia etc please!

  • Comrade Stalin

    Gregory,

    I sincerely urge that you seek the help of a mental health professional.

  • Gregory

    Brian

    Peter Tatchell *and* Iris Robinson doubt the gay gene phenomena and so it is a bit hypocritical for Belfast gays to embrace one and not to accept the other.

    ” The spokesman added: “PIE had been excluded from the NCCL before she became legal officer.”

    The difference between Iris and Harriet, is that if Harriet says that in the House of Commons, her career in govt. is over, because it is a lie.

    “Opinion submitted to the National Council for Civil Liberties and made available to me at the time, when I was regularly attending meetings of the NCCL Gay Rights Sub-Committee.”

    http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/sap/sap_notes.htm

    The leader of Britain’s pedophiles was presiding over the gay rights sub-committee at the time specified.

    I don’t think the gay activist thing can (now) be separated out ( from the other) in Belfast, to the extent one would like. I think those happy days are gone.

    “Oh how I love hearing of your mundane exploits and your communications with mildly important people.”

    Cahal, I suppose the APNI are mildly important, if we are being locally kind, in the bigger scheme of things, they are of course completely nothing.

    And I wouldn’t rely too much on anything Anna Lo said, being something else again,

    because smallness doesn’t involve reliability in the terminolofical exactitude dept.

    Gregory

  • Comrade Stalin

    Gregory,

    Seriously. Please get some professional help.

  • Cahal

    “terminolofical exactitude”

    Pure quality…. you’re the man Gregory.

  • Gregory

    From Mrs Robinson’s man? I’ll pass.

    Iris didn’t actually say anything the gay liberationists are not also saying, today, and yesterday.

    She packaged ‘the same line’ in her own DUP way, but it was the same Queer theory or gay lib line.

    Charming though you people are, you are discussing somthing you don’t really seem to understand.

    Cahal, Ann Lo & David Ford?

    If they tell you something, (in my experience of them) it doesn’t hurt to check to see if it is true, because it may not be.

    It is a bit like Slugger, just because it is said here, doesn’t make it true.

    The APNI re no more inclined to candour than Harriet Harmon’s office.

    Gregory

    Tuesday 24 June 2008

    Peter Tatchell
    Homosexuality: it isn’t natural
    Ignore those researchers who claim to have discovered a ‘gay gene’, says Peter Tatchell: gay desire is not genetically determined.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/5375/

  • Gregory

    “If Iris’s comments set the level for the DUP’s contributions, I doubt if we’ll get one”

    She was right about the witch hunt, and the McCarthyism.

    She didn’t actually say anything different to Pete Tatchell, in relation to ‘identity’ and adopting it or giving it up, except, she put it in a different package.

    “There is a major problem with gay gene theory, and with all theories that posit the biological programming of sexual orientation. If heterosexuality and homosexuality are, indeed, genetically predetermined (and therefore mutually exclusive and unchangeable), how do we explain bisexuality or people who, suddenly in mid-life, switch from heterosexuality to homosexuality (or vice versa)? We can’t.”

    Peter Tatchell and myself, were exposed to the same GLF/COC ideological socialization.

    “Zelden­rust-Noordanus stated “homo­sexuality does not exist”, meaning there was no separate homo- or hete­rosexual iden­tity. Both organiza­tions sup­ported erotic diver­sity inclu­ding pedop­hilia, sadoma­sochism and exhibitio­nism. Hetero­sexual relations and marriage were being attacked as being oppressi­ve, especi­ally for women.”

    The split was always on that ‘P’ issue. In the 1970s I campaigned against the COC GLF, CHE, NCCL & PIE/PAL.

    But on the ‘will to power’ idea, I agreed with the COC/GLF.

    I conflicted with the GLF/COC because I didn’t like pedophiles, and as some here have pointed out, I still don’t like them.

    Gregory

  • Granni Trixie

    Gregory: point of information: APNI is not officially the ‘sister’ party of the Lib Dems – even if leading members support the Lib Dems and the party cooperates with the Lib Dems. Infact,some of its members tend towards Labour. Granni Trixie

  • TAFKABO

    She didn’t actually say anything different to Pete Tatchell,

    I don’t recall Tatchell ever saying that homosexuality was an abomination.

    As for Homosexuality being genetic disposition or a choice, I say, who cares?
    Besides, I wonder if all the examples of homosexuality within the animal kingdom is a choice as well?

    I conflicted with the GLF/COC because I didn’t like pedophiles, and as some here have pointed out, I still don’t like them.

    Unless of course it’s paedophiles within the catholic church, who you’ll make excuses for all day long.
    For any person who describes themselves as a “catholic lobbyist” to then rail against any other organisation for being a front for paedophilia, that just takes the biscuit.

  • Comrade Stalin

    Granni, Gregory has difficulty with matters of fact alongside of his bizarre delusion of grandeur which means that getting an email reply from a politician or having a meeting somehow makes him special. It’s pointless to argue. The hope is that some day someone will notice his insane rantings and sue him for libel/slander. There’s enough material that comes up on a Google search to build up a pretty good case.

  • Gregory

    “I don’t recall Tatchell ever saying that homosexuality was an abomination.”

    That’s a bolt-on extra, and the gay happenings I went to, could do as many abominations as might be required

    Tatchell (has on his account) comparably said the Pope was the “the ideological inheritor of the Nazi homophobia”,

    the following cite is localized & specific as per issue at hand.

    Speaking of Pope Benedict’s views on homosexuality, Tatchell said, “These are the rantings of a semi-deranged Christian fundamentalist and a theocrat, whose ego is so enormous that he believes he has a hot-line to God. If any ordinary person in the street did it, they’d probably put them in a mental asylum. It is amazing the indulgences that are allowed for the so-called ‘men of God.’ Pope Benedict he is the ideological inheritor of the Nazi homophobia. He’d like to eradicate homosexuality, but since he can’t put LGBT people in physical concentration camps, is doing his best to put them in psychological concentration camps.”

    http://catholicexchange.com/2008/09/24/113974/

  • Gregory

    “The hope is that some day someone will notice his insane rantings and sue him for libel/slander. There’s enough material that comes up on a Google search to build up a pretty good case.”

    It won’t be David Ford or Anna Lo,

    and the money in such cases as there have been, has as it happened always flowed in my direction.

    As one might expect,

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    Granni Trixie

    I know what you are saying.

    However when we meet Liberal Alliance partners,

    ( we would have contacted the entire heap, as per 2005 membership),

    they tell us different, and the APNI are a little unsure of it themselves.

    “The Liberal Democrats are a sister party of the Alliance Party.”

    http://www.allianceparty.org/news/004193/alliance_endorses_green_road_to_recovery.html

    Gregory

  • PaddyReilly

    and the money in such cases as there have been, has as it happened always flowed in my direction.

    That’s interesting Gregory. Could you tell us by whom you were sued for libel, when you won and how much your award was for?

  • Gregory

    “As for Homosexuality being genetic disposition or a choice, I say, who cares?”

    Zelden­rust-Noordanus cared and it was important to the GLF/COC.

    So much so that you could get cashiered for claiming to be a gene gay.

    It was a part of the ‘Iris’ complaint to PPSNI/PSNI

    By the way we hope to bring the PPSNI/PSNI library as fully up to date with the ideological undrpinnings as possible

    With dates as per & e. g. Harriet Harman.

    That way if Amnesty or Rainbow refer to the NCCL gay sub-committee, Iris would be able to say ‘that was a pedophile front group’ which of course it was.

    And Patrick Corrigan could be publicly given to understand that Outrage! has very similar ideas ( re: NCCL Gay sub-committee) as per age of consent.

    A continuation even of the NCCL Gay sub-committee

    The Outrage! leader was of course brought to Belfast by Amnesty for GP 08

    Gregor

  • Gregory

    “That’s interesting Gregory. Could you tell us by whom you were sued for libel, when you won and how much your award was for? ”

    We may have an expert (on Slugger) keeping tabs on that very thing.

    Otherwise my private business will stay that way.

    I would certainly laugh in the face of a defamation action by Harriet Harman, Anna Lo, David Ford, any member of the SDLP, or the NASUWT

    Does that cover it for this month?

    Because when ‘x’ is demonstrably true, that’s a pretty good basis for yawning.

    I do precise work, as it happens

    Gregory

  • Vision Razor

    I urge the other contributors here to ignore the resident wack-a-loons and get back to the topic at hand.

    Frankly put Iris did not say anything illegal and she is entitled to her beliefs. Her comments where crass and arrogant but it would be more ignorant to try and censor every view you don’t like.

    What the people who are so incensed about her comments can do is make their own opinion felt and exercise their right to vote, and not for her. I don’t have any figures to hand but I think it would be a fair assumption that the vast majority of the gay and gay friendly community do not currently vote. If they did, perhaps even for a gay candidate, Iris may yet come to regret her words when the electorate “release” Iris from her obligations as they released Bob McCartney.

  • Gregory

    “If they did, perhaps even for a gay candidate, Iris may yet come to regret her words when the electorate “release” Iris from her obligations as they released Bob McCartney. ”

    I wouldn’t bet on it

    The whack a loons were waving their private parts ay Gay Pride 08

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/sep/08091103.html

    We also had a heap of politicians watching Amnesty caricaturing Cardinal Pujats in faux effigy at Gay Pride 08.

    There is also a photo on their web-site

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    Outfront ( Amnesty) are whack a loons

    The whack a loons’s partners were the people with guns and privately hired muscle at Riga

    That being the point of Amnesty’s demo in Belfast this year.

    In other words it was a whack a loon job by Amnesty as they spoofed everybody.

    And you would not believe what Outfront (AIUSA) endorsed ventures get up in San Diego, but try pedophiles handing out candy to kids.

    Or oral sex in the street (there are photos)

    Gregory

  • Gregory

    “Frankly put Iris did not say anything illegal and she is entitled to her beliefs.”

    Nor were the beliefs secret when she was elected.

    There is no electoral market in NI for what Patrick Corrigan was doing with the ‘love is a human right’ campaigning.

    Amnesty is an organization one can file under ‘suspect’. One can’t rely on what they say as being true, or even partially true.

    A bit like the APNI if you like.

    The Riga/Belfast issue was a perfect case in point.

    It was Amnesty’s partners with the hired guns and they really had guns! when Tatchell was in that hotel in Riga.

    The Catholics ( Pujats) didn’t even have eggs because they were not there.

    One politician after another lined up in Belfast to buy into that AIUK spoof with a ‘fake’ Cardinal in the background.

    Who paid for that costume?

    “Late last year AI defended its participation in the Belfast homosexual pride festival in August, which openly promoted anti-Catholic bigotry. The organization posted to their website a photo of a homosexual demonstrator dressed up in mockery of a Catholic cardinal and admitted that AI understood the mock cardinal to be directed towards Cardinal Janis Pujats, the archbishop of Riga in Latvia. Cardinal Pujats has spoken out against the homosexualist movement in Latvia. The protester carried a sign with the AI logo on it and the slogan, “Love is a human right.”‘

    Catholics will not vote for that.

    Gregory