Going going gone

Mick has already blogged about Jeff Peel resigningis this marriage going to end in divorce?

This is an astounding inauspicious start to the ‘new relationship’ as a senior Tory resigns, a man who sat on the committee that crafted this ‘new relationship’.

Meanwhile DUP Leader Peter Robinson has called upon UCUNF to abandon their policy of running in every seat in Northern Ireland:

“I would urge UCUNF to abandon their policy of running in every seat in Northern Ireland and work with us to ensure that Fermanagh and South Tyrone and South Belfast are won back for Unionism. Having courted the SDLP and TUV and tried merger with the PUP and the Tories and failed, is it now not time that Reg Empey started actually working with the largest Unionist party in Northern Ireland?”

He has also said that: “People will be astounded to see that UCUNF has after less than a week in existence descended into the type of mud-slinging and acrimony that characterised the now defunct UUP at its worst. The community wants to see political Unionism advancing through co-operation and the pursuit of real Unionist policies.”

Is history repeating itself? Are the UUP in turmoil?

  • ABC

    “Is history repeating itself? Are the UUP in turmoil?”

    Yes. Reg and Campbell have been accused of telling different people different things. They are going to have to clarify if this is indeed the case. This will run and run until they do.

    Sylvia Hermon must be laughing her head off!

  • Surely there’s a DUP website for this type of thing?

  • ABC

    Poor Chekov. Afraid to discuss the thing on his own site and now trying to stop others here.

    Fingers in ears, eyes closed, screaming “la la la”….

  • I have a piece on my own site. There’s already a thread on this site.

  • CMB

    As a UU supporter I am not laughing it is an utter mess how Sir Reg ever got us into this is more than I can really understand. Electorally we were already on the rocks now we are drowning, what this debacle will do for us is nothing. If there were two different versions, was it the UU that were so politically naive that they thought they had won the argument or did the Conservatives really suck us in. I think the UU electorate have a right to know. Much more of this it will Alliance for me next time.

  • picador

    I’m not a unionist but:

    If the DUP represents ‘Orange’ Unionism and the Tories, Allinace Party, etc represent non-secular unionism then what is the point of the Ulster Unionist Party?

  • ABC

    CMB

    Different people were clearly being told different things and hence the shambles we see now before us. Incidentally I have yet to witness a single Tory blogger on here distancing themselves from Jeff Peel. He clearly is speaking for more people than the UUP part of UCUNF would care to admit.

  • Kitty

    “…is it now not time that Reg Empey started actually working with the largest Unionist party in Northern Ireland?”

    Is this not too little too late? – the Unionist vote was split many moons ago… Maybe a united Unionist party back then could have prevented this current mess we’re in today.

  • ABC

    Kitty

    Robinson has been very open. He wants to do a deal over South Belfast and Fermanagh. Reg thus far has sought to reach agreement with everyone and anyone but the DUP. His anti-DUP bitterness is blinding him to the reality that working alongside the DUP could get him more than any airy-fairy Tory nonsense.

  • CMB

    ABC

    I have to say listening to TALKBACK today I think Mr Peel’s reason and his argument for why he was resigning which incidentally if he was correct in his assertions was far more convincing that Mr Cosgrove’s for continuing on with this fiasco.

  • Kitty

    ABC

    It’s a lose lose situation for the UUP i think – do they continue this pact with the Conservatives in the hope that people have become more open and willing to vote for this ‘new force’ or make a ‘deal’ with the devil and lose their integrity? It’s a very sticky situation the UUP are in.

  • picador

    There is basically no point in the UUP any more.

    Those who belong to Orange unionism (most I expect) should join the DUP. Those who are secular / integrationist and right leaning should join the Tories and those who are liberal and secularist should join the Alliance Party.

    The Party’s over. Get your coats.

  • Aghho

    ABC

    I have yet to see a single Tory SUPPORTING the ramblings of PEEL, would Owen Patterson not be the person to hear from on this one?

    This whole situation is due to the power trip of a small minded man who wanted everyone to recognise his importance, and was prepared to sell himself to anyone who believed that he alone know the truth.

    Truth is that there is still a lot for the 2 parties to work out, the UCU May the Force be with you is NOT the UUP.

    The UUP will still stand, as a pro union DEMOCRATIC party for Council and Stomont seats.

    If this is the best weapon that those who need this partnership to fail have found then I feel that the future of politics in Northern Ireland still has a chance.

    That chance lies squarely at the feet of EVERY voter who wants to distance themself from the bigotry and hatred that have become so central to our political way of thinking.

    The DUP and their ‘bestest buddies’ Sinn Fein see the writing on the wall, their type of politics are as relevant to the future of Northern Ireland as the ramblings of Mr. Peel.

  • ABC

    CMB

    I think that Jeff Peel has been far more straight on this issue than others. The Chairman and Leader of the UUP have been accused of telling different groups, different things.

    Someone needs to clear this up.

    Who is spoofing?

  • Michael Shilliday

    Thanks Andrew for usuing Slugger as an extention of the DUP press release feed.

    Your own thoughts ammount to one line

    This is an astounding inauspicious start to the ‘new relationship’ as a senior Tory resigns, a man who sat on the committee that crafted this ‘new relationship’.

    Jeff Peel is entirely entitled to his own views. He is entirely wrong, but he is entitled to his views. He sees that his party is going in a direction that he disagrees with, and has removed himself from that direction. The Conservative Party remains on its origional course. In fact, it rings very familiar…….the words Jim Allister come to mind.

  • ABC

    Michael

    Oh aye, because you would never post UUP comment here.

    I refer you to my earlier point. No NI Tory has come on here and distanced themselves from Mr. Peel. He clearly has support. This entire thing is a shambles.

  • ??

    Jeff Peel is entirely entitled to his own views. He is entirely wrong, but he is entitled to his views. He sees that his party is going in a direction that he disagrees with, and has removed himself from that direction. The Conservative Party remains on its origional course. In fact, it rings very familiar…….the words Jim Allister come to mind.
    Posted by Michael Shilliday on Mar 06, 2009 @ 04:51 PM

    Except Jeff Peel is still vice chairman of the NI tories and still very influential in that party.

    Michael any word from sylvia yet? I can give you her office number if you havent heard from her

  • ABC

    The Chairman and Leader of the UUP have been accused of telling different groups, different things.

    Care to comment Michael?

  • Michael Shilliday

    Thats right of course. Because no one has commented on a Slugger thread you can draw definate conclusions.

    Grow up.

  • ABC and ??. Slugger’s own Beavis and Butthead.

  • ABC

    Oh dear. “Grow up” from Shillers and personal insults from Chekov.

    “They don’t like it up em!”

    LOL!

    The Chairman and Leader of the UUP have been accused of telling different groups, different things.

    Care to comment Michael?

  • danielmoran

    to andrew charles…… the quote from robinson is revealing. he’s showing the unionist siege mentality yet again. those two lost westminster seats are a sore point still, so what will it be like for the dup in n.i. when the westminster tally is 9 all with nationalists. belfast is already neutral, [bar re-gerrymandering]it shows that even if n.i. is still linked with britain at the centenary of partition, it will be lost to unionists because the two to one majority [still intact in 1969] will have finally disappeared for good.

  • Michael Shilliday

    I was once accused of being a member of the DUP. I laughed at that too.

  • What a mess…

    Some of the really bitter, personalised attacks against Jeff Peel by UCUNF supporters here from the now defunct UUP really take the biscuit!

    Jeff is the Vice-Chairman of the Conservative Party they’re supposedly in partnership with, yet these so-called supporters launch these personalised attacks against him for expressing his views.

    It really speaks volumes for where this deal is going if the UUP side of UCUNF can’t show respect and fill up blogs like this and others with personal attacks.

    These former UUP supporters need to take a reality check – they’re party is now completely dead as a separate party – so they need to either get on board and become full-fledged Conservatives – and that means accepting the national logo and branding – or else leave the Conservative Party and stop complaining, and most of all stop inflicting their sectarian agenda on Conservative Party members who want nothing to do with it.

  • ??

    so any word from the UUPs only MP on this , or are the rumours that sylvia is going to stand as an independent at the next general election true?

  • I know, I know. You’ve all been there before before me. It’s unfitting. It’s banal. I apologise.

    But, quite frankly, anyone who can perpetrate that appalling acronym UCUNF-NF is capable of anything.

    Except street politics.

    Which, superficially, makes the doings of Jeffrey Peel very small beer.

    So, let’s look again.

    What Peel is wingeing about is:

    the UUP does not have the interests of Conservatism at heart but is using them to get out of a financial crisis.
    the use of that name [UCUNF] and the way in which the new alliance was being branded.
    He claimed it had been agreed that only a shortened form of the name was to be used – Conservatives and Unionists.

    the only from of branding which was to be used was a version of official Conservative ‘tree’ logo, which he described as reflecting the “non-sectarian and national nature of our joint initiative”.

    and

    — [Peel] alleges the Ulster Unionists went back on these agreements prompting him to resign.

    For the absolute ball-breaker, what about?

    “the [UUP] party’s only MP is simply not a Conservative.”

    Which all implies to me that he’s taking direction from 30 Millbank. And the UUP is being given a very firm lesson in which dog wags the rump tail.

  • Laughing (Tory) Unionist

    Peel is neither ‘senior’ nor ‘influential’. He’s merely an area officer, which is one step above being an association officer, and, in the Tory Party’s command structure, several thousand steps below Cameron’s belly button fluff. He was p*ssing in the soup, and now he’s been chopped off at the knees. The way he self-indulgently carried on, he’s lucky CCHQ didn’t swing the cleaver a few inches higher. This, for once, is Empey being that rare thing – an example of an Ulster Unionist leader a.) knowing what he wanted & b.) getting it.

  • Mark McGregor

    Woohoo, now I don’t have to go looking for DUP press releases they’re being added as blogs when at best they’d warrant a comment on the previous entry addressing the topic.

  • laughing nationalist

    Malcolm,

    AFAIK an acronym is an abbreviation which makes a new word. For example, AIDS is an acronym, UNESCO isn’t.

    So UCUNF is not an acronym, though CUNF is very nearly one.

  • I love it when a plan falls to bits!

  • laughing nationalist @ 08:36 PM:

    Thanks. You’re spot on: it’s two Greek roots [akro- = “sharp”; nym- = “name”]. Oh! the benefits of going into TCD on a Classical Exhibition!

    But, as you imply, your comment was just the feed for the obvious, wasn’t it? I mean, the joys of turning to someone and asking, “You’re a UCUNF, aren’t you?”

    By the way, enjoy the fall-out on conservativehome.

    Heh, heh!

  • Cynic

    ?? seems very obsessed with what Lady Hermon has to say about all this. She is doing the right thing by holding her council on this matter. She will speak about her position when the time is right for her and not for people like ?? who I suspect has a North Down DUP connection. They should stop worrying about what her position is because it matters not whether she stands as an Independent or whatever as she will win the seat hands down because she is one of the few principled people in politics in Northern Ireland and is hugely respected for everything she does for the people she represents. Not for her the profile building exercise of issuing a “thoughts and prayers” statement to the press when two wasps colliding over Bangor Marina. She has substance of character that her opponents can only aspire to.

  • ??

    CYNIC lol, y so cranky, dont you know what shes going to do???

  • Inspector Cleauso

    Lady Sylvia will NOT be taking the Conservative whip at Westminster, and that came from the horse’s mouth.