Not quite there yet…?

Ed Curran in the stand…
“On Saturday night, the grandstand first named after him in 1924, echoed to the words ‘God Save our gracious Queen … send her victorious … long to reign over us … God save the Queen.’ I still needed to pinch myself that this was for real, that somehow we, the British and the Irish, had buried the battle axes to the point where we could all stand together and respect one another’s very different cultural and political differences, at least for the few minutes it took to sing the anthems.”

Peter Murtagh in the pub
“The Italian anthem rang out on the TV and then, when the next one was about to start, the sound was turned off. Players and spectators mouthed God Save the Queen in silence. If it was a joke I didn’t get it, and the two English women didn’t either…But both recognised the syndrome; both are familiar with similar casual slights based on their nationality. Anti-English racism (to slightly misuse the term) remains the only strain of the virus thoughtlessly acceptable in 21st-century Ireland.”

  • Neil

    To be honest I wouldn’t have it on either. The English invaded this country, why the fuck would we want to listen to the same anthem they were playing as they invaded this country with the express aim of turning the inhabitants into second class citizens? I’m sure there were few renditions of Deutschland Uber Alles in Poland post 1945 either.

  • Alan

    “Anti-English racism (to slightly misuse the term”

    Actually, you’re not, discrimination on the basis of region or nation is included under racism in the Race Relations Act.

  • Neil

    Actually, don’t talk through yer hat. How is turning off the volume for the English national anthem racism?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racism

    I see no mention of national anthems here.

    Hatred for/intolerance of – well turning the volume off doesn’t porove that. Kicking the english out of the pub, that would have been racist.

    Policies/System of government, nope no mention of anything relevant there.

    Belief that inherent differences exist based on race, nope.

  • Greenflag

    ‘Kicking the english out of the pub, that would have been racist.’

    T’would indeed and it would have been bad for business too ;). Obviously there were’nt enough English in the pub to complain to the proprietor which is what they should have done . I can’t imagine or have never heard of an English publican turning down the Irish ‘anthems ‘ in a pub in England during a Rugby game . Has anybody

    Sometimes what English visitors see as ‘racism ‘ is Irish humour or impolite piss taking . There may be a few ‘racist ‘ Irish nutters out there but they are probably just as numerous as their english equivalents . Usually however such gobshites are not known to have much interest in rugby -soccer being the domain in which their talents are more frequently manifested .

    The English are past masters at the same thing piss taking as anyone who has seen Basil Fawlty goose step his way across an episode of Fawlty Towers while not ‘mentioning ‘ the war 😉 can verify .

    Neil

    ‘ The English invaded this country,
    Actually it was the Welshified French speaking Normans who were the first and then they came in at the request of a local cuckolded Irish King of Leinster . The Second and more successful conquest at least in terms neutralisising and hindering Ireland’s economic and political development did not commence until the 1550’s and continued until 1690 . By which time Ireland was considered just as Scotland an ‘english ‘ sphere of influence to be used , exploited , ruled etc for the benefit of the London hierarchy both imperial and religious .

    But that’s not the fault of today’s English who have given the world much in terms of scientific and governmental progress even if I still don’t approve of their monarchy 😉

  • Pity Peter Murtagh didn’t name the pub and i cud try and avoid it next time i’m drinking in Dublin 4. In exactly the same way that if on my way home from the Norn Iron game v Poland on the 28th i call in to a pub to see the Mexicans v Bulgaria and they turn off the anthems i will try & avoid giving it my future custom too. Its only a small gesture but its better than blowing the place up or putting in the windows and anyway I tend to dislike drinking somewhere (and giving them the benefit of my hard earned cash) knowing there are narrow minded jerks either behind the bar or actually sitting in the place. As we are often told they certainly haven’t all gone away you know.

  • Congal Claen

    Such was the hostility shown towards anything British that only the “home” national anthem was played at Lansdowne Road up until relatively recently. And that wasn’t some f*ckwit in a pub, that was the IRFU! Who incidentally still don’t play GSTQ for the British part of the so called “Ireland” rugby team.

    Still, probably all the Brits’ fault – that fekker Cromwell in particular. Yip, the Irish are the salt of the earth. Any faults the Irish have are because of the English. Like in “Michael Collins”, were Collins says “the thing I hate about them so much is that they make me hate them” ??? Complete and utter auld wank.

  • Neil

    Such was the hostility shown towards anything British that only the “home” national anthem was played at Lansdowne Road up until relatively recently.

    If President Mary McAleese is in attendance (which she invariably is) they play the Irish National anthem. If the Queen were at Windsor they’d play GTSQ, you have a problem with that? Of course not.

    And that wasn’t some f*ckwit in a pub, that was the IRFU! Who incidentally still don’t play GSTQ for the British part of the so called “Ireland” rugby team.

    So, to avoid offending your sensibilities they’d have to play the English national anthem for the northern Irish people on the team? LOL, wise up for fuck sake are you serious?

  • Smug O’Toole

    Not quite there yet…?

    We are as there. There being the same place the English are regarding the French and Germans, the French regarding the English and Germans, The Polish regarding the Germans, the West Germans regarding the East Germans, the Japanese against the Gaijin (i.e. the non-Japanese).

    Love them as a people, love to hate them as a nation.

    So Brian, what is your definition of “there” and who exactly is residing at that location currently?

  • Oilifear

    “If President Mary McAleese is in attendance (which she invariably is) they play the Irish National anthem.”

    The presidential salute is played for the President, not the national anthem. Where the president absent, they would play the national anthem regardless, but not (obviously) the presidential salute.

    “If the Queen were at Windsor they’d play GTSQ, you have a problem with that? Of course not.”

    May I ask, what would they play if the Queen was at Croke Park? (And before you ask what she would be doing there remember this is the *Ireland* rugby union team.) Or if the President were at Ravenhill (as I’m sure you mean, not Windsor Park)?

    The anthems are a pissing contest. We need joint symbols.

    As for the pub that turned down the sound: pathetic.

  • Congal Claen

    Neil,

    I don’t think you understood my point at all. Up until relatively recently even if France played at Lansdowne their anthem wasn’t played either. The only reason being so that the British national anthem wouldn’t be played. That was an IRFU decision.

    “So, to avoid offending your sensibilities they’d have to play the English national anthem for the northern Irish people on the team? LOL, wise up for fuck sake are you serious?”

    Dear, dear, dear. Parity of esteem is obviously a one way street. Incidentally, the last time Ireland won the grand slam was in Belfast where GSTQ – the British anthem – was played.

    Seems like you’re certainly “not quite there yet” Neil.