“casualties of war..”

An interesting debate took place yesterday on Radio Free Eireann. Anthony McIntyre and Tommy McKearney discuss with the radio hosts the developments of this past week regarding Eames and Bradley. It’s a twenty minute or so discussion and it can be found here. (Scroll down to RFE Sat Jan 31.) However as arguments have developed over who is a victim and who is not Tommy McKearney and Anthony McIntyre are asked:

Is it equitable that somebody who joins the British army, and somebody who joins the IRA would be in the same classes of victim of somebody walking by and a car bomb going off going to school? Or somebody that was shot by a plastic bullet? Are they really equal? I mean there is two sides that made conscious decisions – they joined their respective armies and they went out to carry out their political beliefs as compared to someone that was going about shopping?

Responses to this question are in the video, but the whole debate mentioned on Eames and Bradley can be found here for the next seven days or so.

  • my view

    “as compared to someone that was going about shopping”

    hmmm that would depend on whether or not they were shopping for arms!
    or shopping their neighbours to the fraud squad for doing the double.

  • I wish I could say I’m shocked by McKearney’s and McIntyre’s support for the use of casulties of war, but I’m not at all suprised. In using these terms they can exculpate themselves and their ilk for conscious decisions they took that cost innocent men, women and children going about their own business their lives.

  • Bull detector

    ‘that cost innocent men, women and children going about their own business their lives.’
    Like the cleaners at Ebrington barracks or Aldershot ? Or David Walker? Or the civilians shot by the Official IRA during robberies or feuds? Get off your high horse.

  • Disgrace

    Look at what they say about narrow water! True terrorists.

  • Exactly like that.

  • Ireland

    Kathleen,

    Re: Radio Free Eireann[sic]

    Tips for using fadas so your posts are of a higher quality:

    “How to use fadas (Gaeilge): Hold Alt Gr key on your keyboard while selecting any vowel.
    Alt Gr + e = á é í ó ú. Let’s try to at least respect the Irish language.”

  • OC

    Is it equitable that somebody who joins the British army, and somebody who joins the IRA would be in the same class…”

    British soldier: enlisted in the lawful military service of his sovereign government.

    IRA terrorist: serves a movement that supports a foreign government that claims to reject the help.

    Conclusion: As the squaddie is covered by the Geneva Convention, and the IRA franc-tireur (at best) is reprisal fodder according to international law, then the answer is no, these two combantants are not equivalent, one being a lawful combatant, the other being an unlawful combatant.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    Subtle difference, OC, is that the IRA are in their own country and the BA in Ireland are occupiers.

  • OC

    “Subtle difference, OC, is that the IRA are in their own country and the BA in Ireland are occupiers.”

    Posted by Pancho’s Horse on Feb 02, 2009 @ 05:13 PM

    What legal authority agrees with your assertion? The RoI constitution? The U.N.? The I.C.R.C.? N.A.T.O? E.U.? I’d really like to know.

  • Pancho’s Horse

    The Irish people,OC. Why, do you contend that the BA has a moral and a legal right to be here? Or is it just because they are bigger than us? What brought them here in the first place? It certainly wasn’t for our benefit.

  • OC

    As I suspected, no legal authority to back up your claims.

    As a matter of fact, the IRA got treated much better than they should have expected to be.

    BTW what’s next: Give America back to the Indians? If so, there’s gonna be millions of homeless Irish.

  • Earnan

    O.C.

    The Waffen SS were divisions in a legal army and lawful army, by your definition.

    I’m not trying to defend some of the claims made by these two guys on the radio, but pointing out that nothing is black and white.

  • OC

    “Many Waffen-SS members were responsible for war crimes, and the Schutzstaffel organisation as a whole was held a criminal organization after the war by the post-war German government because there was undeniable evidence that many of its members perpetrated serious war crimes.” – wikipedia

    Being a criminal organization marks a similarity between the SS and the IRA. Has HM Forces been outlawed by the international community lately, if ever?

    BTW Godwin’s Law is a tautology.

  • Paul O’Toole

    What is objectionable to me is not the fact that the loss of the families of those who died on both sides of the conflict is to be recognised, but the idea that £12,000 will somehow make anything better.

    The BBC’s big question on Sunday morning showed the widower of a woman killed in the Shankhill Road bombing, who I felt showed great strength of charachter by recognising that the mother of the man who planted the bomb had done nothing wrong and had suffered the same loss as him as well as having to live with the fact that her son had murdered innocent people.

    Even having taken this attitude he felt that the money was objectionable, unfortunately in the compensation society in which we live, we seem to have lost sight of the fact that not everything can be put right with a few quid.