“British jobs for British workers – you said it Gordon Brown…”

A French company Total in north Linconshire awarded a construction project to an Italian firm who brought their own non – British workforce with them. (300 Italian and Portugese housed in their own floating accomodation in the UK legitimately as EU citizens)Today saw a major walk out of British workers at the refinery the third largest in the UK with protests over the use of foreign workers.

You don’t have to go accross to Europe to bring people in to do skilled jobs, when the skilled men are here and they’ve been doing it for years.

According to the report hundreds of workers walked out of a neighbouring plant, and with protests to continue tomorrow the reporter says ‘we’re already hearing anacedotally of planned protests on Teeside and the north bank of the Humber in support of the walkout here….

  • pith

    Oh dear, it sounds like “Dockers for Enoch” all over again. Funny that nobody (except Sammy Wilson maybe) seems to mind when the foreign lads take the absurdly underpaid unskilled jobs.

  • cut the bull

    Capitlism at work foreign workers lower wages and the rest is history

  • Greenflag

    These lads are not looking for work in the booming financial services sector then eh 😉

    We can expect more of this kind of ‘protests’ as the crisis deepens . No doubt we’ll yet see all the downsized financial services sector people battling it out with the police in the city as more British ‘financial ‘ jobs are outsourced to Singapore and Shanghai ?

    Maggie Thatcher must find these scenes somewhat nostalgic and a memory of the good old days when the coal miners and others were sacrificed for the benefit of the brand new ‘services ‘ sector.

  • cut the bull

    “British jobs for British workers – you said it Gordon Brown…”

    Clearly you havent understood his accent more like “Shitish jobs for shitish wages”

  • Dave

    “Capitlism at work foreign workers lower wages and the rest is history”

    In which case, you better let capitalism take care of your pension, healthcare, etc, because you’ve negated the principle that the State should look after ‘its own.’

  • Dewi

    This bunch don’t miss a trick BNP getting organised….

  • Dave

    Dewi, who cares what the BNP get up to? Is your argument ‘Everything the BNP support is racist. The BNP support British sovereignty. Therefore, British sovereignty is racist.’? The BNP also support a policy of increased investment in the UK health service, so you might that that your ‘logic’ is askew on that one.

    Unite, the UK’s largest manufacturing, technical and skilled persons’ union, also support British sovereignty here, so are they racist too or are they, as they claim, acting to defend British workers in the UK – something the UK government itself is unable to do because it has given away the applicable sovereignty to Brussels?

    British workers, unlike the muppets they elect, realise that the State must exist to promote the interests of its own citizens and not to promote the interests of the citizens of other states (as the EU would have it). Who is going to pay the pensions of those British workers if the government allows other States to drain the wealth from it? It won’t be the Italian government who is expected to do that, will it?

    For example, as it stands under EU law, the British government can give FDI investors millions of taxpayers’ money to create jobs for British workers in the UK, but it cannot impose a requirement that those jobs are for British workers. In effect, as is also the dismal case in Ireland, taxpayers’ money is being used to create jobs for foreign workers. That totally defeats the FDI policy of those States. British workers are being screwed by EU regulations with the Working Time Directive set to cost the UK economy between “£47.4bn and £66.45bn by 2020” in addition to the £57bn of annual cost to the UK of its EU membership. In addition, those workers are beginning to grasp that the EU has expanded to include low wage economies (where the average industrial wage is low hundreds of Euros per month) and it is those pittance wages that they must now compete with. The workers has far more sense than their muppets who see the EU as a political club.

  • cut the bull

    “Capitlism at work foreign workers lower wages and the rest is history”

    In which case, you better let capitalism take care of your pension, healthcare, etc, because you’ve negated the principle that the State should look after ‘its own.’

    Capitlism unfortunately does take care of most pensions and the state looks after who ever is willing to do its bidding at the cheapest rate, regardless of race or creed capitlism and its exploitation of cheap labour knows no boundries

  • mnob

    cut the bull …

    except these are EU workers paid the same rate as the ‘locals’

  • pith

    Has it been confirmed that the foreign workers are on lower wages?

  • mnob

    No pith – it has been confirmed they were on exactly the same pay and conditions. (Albeit from a Total spokesperson I heard on R4 last night).

  • sean

    It cannot be right that forign workers are shipped into a area of high unemployment to work on a construction project ,whilst thousands of local highly skilled construction workers are desperate and crying out for work. There is nothing wrong with a employer recruiting workers from other EU countries , providing they pay a fair and decent wage and conditions regarding Health and Safety are enforced, but I suspect that many of the workers who are being brought in for this particular project, come from countries that are not members of the EU, and therefore illegal. Those who have been raising their voices in defence of allowing illegal , untrained , and lowly paid forign Nationals to deprive local labour of local work, are always the people who’s jobs, probably will never be under threat from illegal forign Nationals.

  • Sarah

    If a construction company offers a foreign company a contract it must be for a good reason. British workers will be pulled into contracts by foreign firms too and will be sent overseas to do work too. Are we going to stop construction company’s from seeking outside contracts? That strikes me as bad business.

    I don’t think the workers are being racist and I can understand their frustration. We have to find some way of getting jobs for our own while still being able to bring in outside workers. The workers for this are Italian so they’re hardly illegal. Lets hope somebody can deal with it in a constructive way and not start mouthing off about racism because it’ll only make it worse.

    The BNP are trying to do nothing more than get their grubby hands on some votes. Dave, they are racist and its not because they’re very British. They were shouted down when somebody tried to get them up on the stage which is brilliant.

  • cut the bull

    I would seriously doubt that these workers are on exactly the same pay and conditions as the local workers which they have replaced.
    If that is the case then England is ripe and ready for a workers revolt,not based on a dislike of foreign workers but rather based on a justified anger at the exploitation and of its own working class by the government in westminster

  • pith

    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this case, it really is irritating to see reference to workers from another country being somehow less well trained or just plain more stupid than British workers. It is that type of nonsense that feeds the likes of the BNP and UKIP.

  • cut the bull

    pith I totally agre with you . I have been in a few places that had east european employees and their attitude and work ethic was 100% compared to locals.
    Unfortunately most of them were being exploted one way or another by their nemployers.

  • Sarah

    The contract firm brought 200 workers with them to the company who were Italian and Portugese.

  • Harry Flashman

    @GF

    “Maggie Thatcher must find these scenes somewhat nostalgic and a memory of the good old days when the coal miners and others were sacrificed for the benefit of the brand new ‘services ‘ sector.”

    I am always amused at this rewriting of recent British history as if one day Maggie Thatcher woke up and said “you know what let’s just completely close down manufacturing industry, that would be such a good idea”.

    In the entire history of the Twentieth Century British governments, begged, bullied, cajoled, pleaded with, screamed at, asked pretty please with sugar on top and just simply hoped that British manufacturing industry would maybe, just once, as a special favour to the rest of us try to occasionally make a fucking profit.

    Would it be too much to expect manufacturing workers to show up on a Monday morning and do a full week’s productive labour that might assist the country’s balance of trade without deciding to strike from lunch time on Tuesday until Friday afternoon?

    Maggie brought in the best industrialists and businessmen she could find from around the world in the laughably hopeless quest to make British manufacturing industry competitive. She spent years trying to succeed where Harold Wilson, Jim Callaghan, Edward Heath, Alex Douglas Home, Harold MacMillan, Anthony Eden, Winston Churchill and Clement Atlee had all desperately failed, whimpering in abject defeat at the prospect that British trades unionists could one day do something better than their counterparts in Japan or Germany.

    Finally the woman noticed that there was an industry in Britain that actually did turn in massive profits, that added enormous benefits to the British balance of trade, where workers got up early in the morning and worked late into the evening to make their businesses succeed and this was all done without gazillions of pounds of taxpayers money being poured down the toilet.

    Is it any wonder the poor woman gave up and accepted that maybe the service sector might actually be the solution?

    Now I’m not saying we didn’t swing too far that way and that the financial services sector haven’t screwed up big time lately, nor do I say I haven’t quite a bit of sympathy for the picketing workers in this story.

    But I would ask that when we discuss the decline of the British manufacturing sector we take the rose tinted spectacles off now and again.

  • OC

    In the aftermath of the Black Plague in Norman England, free labour began chasing ever-higher wages being offered by the Lords with great estates to manage, leaving cheap employers without workers.

    The Crown intervened, setting ceilings on wages for peasants, and setting penalties for the nobility for breaking this law, including the first death penalty application for the upper-class since the treason laws IIRC.

  • Dewi

    “In the entire history of the Twentieth Century British governments, begged, bullied, cajoled, pleaded with, screamed at, asked pretty please with sugar on top and just simply hoped that British manufacturing industry would maybe, just once, as a special favour to the rest of us try to occasionally make a fucking profit.”

    Yep – the Eton educated bosses didn’t have much a clue did they Harry ?

  • Harry Flashman

    Dewi very few bosses of British industry came from Eton, they went into the Foreign and Colonial Office old boy.

    Perhaps things would have worked out better if some of Britain’s sharpest minds had actually gone into business but whether the blame for Britain’s industrial decline lies primarily with the unions or the management isn’t really my point, it’s that British industry was a basket case by 1979 and if an easy alternative presented itself in the form of the financial services sector well it’s not unreasonable if somewhat regrettable for a government to grasp it in desperation.

  • Dewi

    “Dewi, who cares what the BNP get up to? Is your argument ‘Everything the BNP support is racist. The BNP support British sovereignty. Therefore, British sovereignty is racist.’? The BNP also support a policy of increased investment in the UK health service, so you might that that your ‘logic’ is askew on that one”

    I made no observations on the legitimacy of the protests just suspected its spontaneity….correctly,

  • Kang

    British jobs for British workers,
    Irish jobs for Irish workers,
    and twirling, twirling always twirling jobs for
    twirling, twirling always twirling people!

  • Comrade Stalin

    The BNP are trying to do nothing more than get their grubby hands on some votes. Dave, they are racist and its not because they’re very British. They were shouted down when somebody tried to get them up on the stage which is brilliant.

    You have to remember that Dave is essentially a neo-blueshirt. All of Ireland’s problems are the fault of foreigners and socialists interfering with the way the country is governed.

    It’s really nothing to do with the EU and it’s nothing new. Thousands of call centre jobs, and IT jobs, have been exported to India and (increasingly) China. In India, the small salary paid to an IT worker there can be used by that worker to support his entire extended family. Throughout my ten year career in IT I have had to work alongside foreigners who are granted visas and paid full expenses on top of their salary to live and work in the UK. IT workers have never gone in strike about “foreigners taking our jobs”. Those of us with any sense recognize that to continue commanding good salaries and to hold on to our jobs we need to ensure we are offering value.

    I was arguing about this with Sammy Morse some time ago, who pointed out that countries like South Korea and Taiwan in the 1960s and 1970s were doing similar things. Now, a few decades later, those countries have built themselves up into modern, high-productivity, high-value economies with stable democracies. Not only that, but they are now contracting with Northern Ireland construction firms to work on major construction projects in their home countries (a situation very similar to this one) which benefits our economy. If we had taken a protectionist approach, those countries would still be in the dark ages, and we would have had much less motivation to modernize and retool our own economy.

    The issue that people have here is not with the EU, and it would exist if the EU did not exist. It’s with the free movement of labour, and people need to sit back and think very, very carefully about whether or not it benefits us all to roll that back.