Pass the mulled wine..

A Christmas message..

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  • Harry Flashman

    And the Crucifixion is related to Christmas, er, how exactly? I look forward to Pete’s piss take of Ramadhan next year, it’ll be a belter for sure.

  • Yeah, Pete your so clever and countercultural and great at butchering sacred cows. I wish I was as clever and unfettered by the chains of my religious upbringing as you. And… er… as Bright.

    Merry Christmas.

  • 6countyprod

    What an amazingly tolerant country we live in! On our televisions we give primetime coverage to a president who has vowed to wipe a democratic nation off the map and whose country regularly hangs homosexuals and stones adulteresses to death, and on Slugger we are serenaded with a mocking portrayal of Jesus Christ.

    Pete, I dare you post something on Slugger that mocks Mohamed or Allah!

    PS I’ll not hold my breath.

  • Kathleen

    Its in pretty bad taste pete. Shockingly offensive to any christians who would or do come here. Why would you go out of your way to offend and break the sites own good taste rules???

  • susan

    Well, I’m Christian, Catholic to be precise, and hunger, contaminated drinking water, genocide, violence against women and children and gays and neglect of the elderly would be offensive to me — a thirty year old Monty Python sketch, eh, not so much.

    Seriously. No one has ever suggested I change my name to “Deductive Reasoning” but who clicks on a Pete Baker thread on the 25th of December expecting a gentle reflection on the Nativity and its timeless promise of new life and hope to a weary and aching world?

    If the universe has a plan full comprehension of its subtlety is beyond all our grasp, and Pete, to quote — is it Galatians? — “you wouldn’t know a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing ‘Subtle Plans Are Here Again.’”

    Happy Christmas anyway! And a blessed and hopeful Christmas to all who do believe —

  • Jimmy Sands

    Pete, you may want to try a bit more bait on the hook next time.

  • Dewi

    “you wouldn’t know a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing ‘Subtle Plans Are Here Again.’”

    Crikey Siwsan you get Blackadder in America???

  • Kathleen

    Susan I was speaking to mick the other day, and he said to me his mother had seen the video of the priests that I’d posted. So I am at present running off a little copy of it to send to him for her. While you and I may not be offended by it one way or the other, there are others, perhaps older posters who do come, and a monty python sketch of the crucifixation on christmas day may not be what they’d expect to see.

    But doesn’t offend me, like jimmy says stick more up if pete likes, doesn’t make it good taste. Just my tuppence worth.

  • Pete Baker

    Happy Christmas, susan!

    Dewi,

    Galatians, Blackadder, much of a muchness really..

    As for the rest, I’ll ignore the whataboutery and the reference to ‘good taste’ guidelines [News to me – Ed], but it would be an inaccurate simplification to describe the post as a “piss take” of anything. Channel 4 can answer for themselves.

    I realise that to explain something risks negating the impact but here goes..

    There is a very straight-forward, and valid, message there – “always look on the bright side of life”. As we head deeper into recession that’s advice worth heeding.

    That it’s delivered in the scene depicted is just an added, timely, bonus.

    Because, as susan suggested, there are plenty of quiet contemplations on the nativity elsewhere – What better time for a reminder of where Christians [and the other supernaturalists mentioned] believe that ended up.

    “And the Crucifixion is related to Christmas, er, how exactly?”, indeed.

    And it’s not a 30 year old “mocking portrayal of Jesus Christ”, but a 30 year old mocking potrayal of someone being mistaken for the Messiah – he was just a very naughty boy.

    ANYhoo.. the Solstice was a few days ago..

  • Kathleen

    There is a very straight-forward, and valid, message there – “always look on the bright side of life”. As we head deeper into recession that’s advice worth heeding.

    So thats the message pete :)It’s all about the recession?

    As for good taste remark, it is there pete,

    2. We reserve the right to edit or even delete comments for reasons of legal compliance, taste, decency, good management or any other reason that we see fit.

    See 🙂

    Like I said, while it didn’t offend me, I did find it in poor taste on christmas day. I wonder what you have in store for us on Good Friday…

    can’t wait. 🙂

  • Pete Baker

    Kathleen

    “It’s all about the recession?”

    I was sure I had cautioned earlier against inaccurate simplification..

    It didn’t offend you? Glad to hear it.

  • 6countyprod

    Thirty-year-old Alf Garnet and other dubious humour is no longer PC because it is considered offensive to certain sections of the community. Obviously, insulting and offending Christianity is still permissible and PC rules do not apply.

    I am not offended by Pete (Psalm 119.165), more bemused by such pathetic, pusillanimous ridicule.

    As someone has said, ‘it doesn’t take much courage for a person to insult a religion whose basic tenet is to turn the other cheek’. I reckon it takes a lot more courage to insult a religion whose adherents would give you your head in your hands.

    Don’t think there is much chance of Pete losing his head.

  • The old “are you too chicken to offend those muslins, cause they are bad-ass supernaturalists compared to us ‘civilised’ christian folks”. Well, here’s the bottom line from me, Islam, Judaism and Christianity (and all their multifple splinter groups/factions/sects) are all derived from the same notion, and are basically the same book re-written by a bunch of guys deep in the bowels of history. Some people want to be offended, others, thankfully retain a sense of humour and the surreal. If anything I post offends you, I’m sorry. But there never seems to be any similar sentiment from the adherents of the various sky fairy beliefs. But, anyhow, hope you had a super 25th December whatever your belief or lack thereof! I’m off to listen to my new Cradle of Filth CD 🙂

  • 6countyprod

    BM,
    Enjoyed your website, apart from the gratuitous Free P dig. Listen, you ain’t seen nothing if you have never rocked at a Rory Gallagher gig.

  • Judas

    Baker u r a dick

  • Pete Baker

    I see the intellectuals are out..

  • Kathleen

    “It’s all about the recession?”

    I was sure I had cautioned earlier against inaccurate simplification..

    There is a very straight-forward, and valid, message there – “always look on the bright side of life” As we head deeper into recession that’s advice worth heeding.
    .

    You’re right pete, I only got the recession part, when it was really about looking on the bright side of life heading into the recession….in the monty python crucifixation video it was a little difficult to see where that was – the recession part you know 🙂

    It didn’t offend you? Glad to hear it.

    Little monty never offended me pete. Weren’t the controversial cartoons hilarious? Some of those men in frocks can be dangerous.

    ANYhoo.. the Solstice was a few days ago..

    I got the feeling from your post on the solstice you were interested in it, didn’t look like you were having a laugh at it. Quite a quaint little thing I thought, rather nice.

    Hope you had a lovely day.

  • Pete Baker

    Kathleen

    Try not to take my posts so literally seriously..

  • Harry Flashman

    So Pete what will your take be on Monday? It’s the Muslim New Year.

    As a courageous slaughterer of sacred bovines who has the courage to sneer and mock a religious event celebrating the birth of a baby who went on to preach a message of love and peace, I have no doubt your post marking the passage of another year for a warrior religion, whose members are this very moment waging holy war throughout many continents, will be a doozey.

    Looking forward to it Petey boy, maybe something about Muhammed’s youthful wife eh? Something along those lines will mark you out as a man who fearlessly challenges all the Godbotherers, the followers of the Sky Fairies don’t frighten Pete Baker, no sirreee, it’s going to be one heck of a shock for the rag heads next week isn’t it Pete?

    Isn’t it?

  • Jimmy Sands

    Harry,

    Many of the premises of your analogy would appear deeply flawed, not least that an islamic fundamentalist would be amused by Life of Brian.

  • susan

    lollol, Jimmy. Somewhere a subtle plan is taking off all its clothes and painting itself purple in your honour.

    Nadolig Llawen, Dewi — shell out for BBC America and factor in the environmentally induced asthma it’s almost as good as home.

    Kathleen, I meant to post that I loved your Priests, link, too — it was gorgeous and as there are three hours of Christmas left here I think I may crank it up again. Many thanks.

    ‘arry, fire up Enya’s Oíche chiúin and Otis Redding’s “White Christmas,” we can all go back to arguing about which fork to stick in the electrical outlets tomorrow, yeah?

  • latcheeco

    Cheers Pete,
    Everybody needs a little Bwian in their lives this time of year.
    Nollaig Shona

  • Kathleen

    Pete, it isn’t that I dislike monty, its the fact that someone like yourself would actually go out of their way on christmas day and post something irrevant. Irrevant and funny but irrevant non the less on such a day.

    I don’t know about anywhere else, but in Belfast theres an attitude imo that says these are you beliefs well I find them funny, so I’ll get off my head and go in to St angnes’ where a body is lying for preparation for burial and I’ll drop my trousers and have a good shite on the altar. What a geg eh, or rob your priests, or terrify your old, and rob them too while they are at their services – sure its all a great laugh isn’t it. Set fire to the roofs of you protestant churches and while we’re at it lets burn their halls.

    So pete its not the post I take seriously, but the underlying attitude.

    The attitude where no beliefs are safe and anybehaviour can be excused.

    There are people out there you don’t believe in christianity, and leave it at that, there are those who don’t believe in it and take it to the extreme, and look to excuse everything, I guess you lie somewhere in the middle.

  • Damien Okado-Gough

    I once listened to an interview with John Cleese in which he said that The Life of Brian was not taking the piss out of religion, but the religious. Maybe Pete is doing the same…..

  • Kathleen

    not least that an islamic fundamentalist would be amused by Life of Brian.

    They weren’t amused by the cartoons Jimmy, or Rushdies little comic book, humour doesn’t seem to be their thing…:) On the other hand the life of brian is hilarious, old but hilarious.

  • blinding

    In general I don’t have much time for any religion
    “religiously anti-religion if you like.

    I do prefer the christian religions tolerance of being mocked.
    It shows a security and confidence that is is apparently completely absent in Islam

    The little boy that declared the christian emperor naked may be declare foolish,insane or in need of further indoctrination but the little boy that declared the islamic religion naked would separated from his head fortwith or at least this is the impression of Islam that I been brought up to.

    Interestingly the british monarchy(probably all monarchys) portrays the same insecurity with reguard to succession.Immediately on the death of the existing monarch the successor must be sworn in immediately before any might dare to suggest “Does it really have to be this way”

    I believe that the video above can be interpreted with a positive slant from a chistian point of view if desired.
    Does not the christian religions espouse that if one has lived a good life or secured forgiveness before death that in the afterlife all aspirations are open to one.

  • 6countyprod

    Blinding,

    Jesus Christ said to His followers in Matthew’s gospel (5:11-12): Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and say all kinds of evil things about you falsely on account of me. Rejoice and be glad because your reward is great in heaven, for they persecuted the prophets before you in the same way.

    There is an inherent weakness in any religion which has to resort to violence in order to further its cause. Biblical Christianity tries to follow the example and exhortations of Jesus Christ which, of course, means that no type of force be used in order to gain ‘converts’. Genuine adherence to Christianity is a matter of the will, a matter of believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins, wants us to trust Him for salvation and for the strength to serve our fellow man.

    I know it is politically incorrect to suggest that absolute truth exists or that ‘salvation’ can be found exclusively in any one religion or person, but the fact of the matter is, Jesus Christ himself said I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father except by me. Peter, who some say was the first pope, said: No one else can save us. Indeed, we can be saved only by the power of the one named Jesus and not by any other person.” (Acts 4.12)

    To non-believers (often times intellectuals) the gospel of Jesus Christ is foolishness and nonsense, but God’s nonsense is wiser than human wisdom (1 Corinthians 1.23-25). The gospel of Christ may not make sense to our finite minds, but that in no way invalidates the truth of it.

  • PaddyReilly

    Surely this message is intended for Easter, not Christmas?

  • 6countyprod

    Not necessarily, Paddy.

    Luke 2:10-11 says…Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

    The message of Christmas is that the Saviour had been born, and it was a joyful message for all people. Easter tells how Jesus in effect performed His role as Saviour, i.e. enabled people to be saved: He died for the sins of mankind.

  • Glad to see the Christians hit back. I have some thoughts on the matter; but as I am still in Christmas Purdah, it will have to wait.

    Suffice to note that I first saw this film in the local (Catholic) Youth Club when Belfast City Council (and others) saw fit to prevent to local citizenry from watching it at all.

    IMHO, such resort to censorship betokens a lack confidence in one’s own belief.

  • Harry Flashman

    To make a mocking and sneering post designed to offend and insult people at a particularly poignant time, ie to link to a not terribly funny parody of the horrific death of a man at a time when that man’s birth is being celebrated by followers of his message of peace, love, hope and forgiveness, is simply an act of narrow minded spitefulness, to do so safe in the knowledge that those who are offended, hurt and insulted by such an act will not respond in kind is the act of a moral coward.

    I have read Pete’s many posts, I can surmise from his writing that he is neither narrow minded nor spiteful and I am sure he is not a moral coward. I hope he reflects on the sincere and in many ways genuinely hurt reaction to his silly post and thinks again before doing something as pointless and beneath his usual standards in the future.

  • 6countyprod

    I am curious if any of the resident atheists on Slugger have any comments to make on the Times article about the effect of Christianity on The Dark Continent.

  • T.Ruth

    Pete. I pray that you will come to understand just how offensive you have been and that someday you will meet Jesus Christ and ask his forgiveness.

    At Christmas we Christians honour the Birth of our Saviour. God ,the supernatural, enters our space/time finite world and offers us the promise of eternal life.
    Mankind is offered the greatest gift of all through a baby in an oxen stall.

    I pray also that you will be moved to accept Jesus as your personal Saviour and through the power of the Holy Spirit come to a full understanding of the message of Christmas.
    T.Ruth.

  • pauljames

    A touch Freudian 6CP, the Dark Continent, indeed. Me, I prefer the Gospel of St. Cleese as in “Blessed are the Cheesemakers”

  • 6countyprod

    It’s not as dark as you might think. It’s a wonderful place.

  • DC

    He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy?

    Who isnt? Gerry Adams.

    Anyway the life of Bwian always gave my mate Wayne Dwops a good chuckle.

  • Pete Baker

    Mick

    “Glad to see the Christians hit back.”

    If only they’d focus on the detail.

    Such as why they themselves are offended by the original post. Or rather, why they appear to be offended primarily by the video.

    Harry

    “To make a mocking and sneering post designed to offend and insult people at a particularly poignant time..”

    I’ve already addressed your complaint about the post, perhaps you failed to read it?

    Specifically on the “designed to offend”. Simply wrong, Harry.

    The post reflects my thoughts on this particular Christmas morning.

    Your reaction to it never entered into my consideration.

    Not that the original post is in any way comparable to, quoting Kathleen, “where a body is lying for preparation for burial and I’ll drop my trousers and have a good shite on the altar.”

    Irreverent and funny though the video is..

    Underlying attitude?

    You’re mind-reading, Kathleen.

    Here’s my earlier comment again

    I realise that to explain something risks negating the impact but here goes..

    There is a very straight-forward, and valid, message there – “always look on the bright side of life”. As we head deeper into recession that’s advice worth heeding.

    That it’s delivered in the scene depicted is just an added, timely, bonus.

    Because, as susan suggested, there are plenty of quiet contemplations on the nativity elsewhere – What better time for a reminder of where Christians [and the other supernaturalists mentioned] believe that ended up.

    “And the Crucifixion is related to Christmas, er, how exactly?”, indeed.

    And it’s not a 30 year old “mocking portrayal of Jesus Christ”, but a 30 year old mocking potrayal of someone being mistaken for the Messiah – he was just a very naughty boy.

    ANYhoo.. the Solstice was a few days ago..

    That the Solstice is a physically verifiable annual event is, of course, the point. But feel free to joke about it if you want..

  • Harry Flashman

    Pete, you tried to be a smart alec and ended up looking a bit of a prat, the people you offended by your schoolboy attempt at humour have already forgiven you, there isn’t really that much more to say (I’ll pass over your rather sad attempt at back pedalling by pretending it was something about the recession).

  • pith

    Is it still blasphemy to say that Monty Python was shit?

  • Jimmy Sands

    How could a merciful omnipotent God allow threads like this to happen?

  • Oilifear

    Yes. As I thought. A troll. And not a very good one.

    How incredibly lonely, Pete, your life must be if you need to post an Easter piss take on Christmas Day [it’s no wonder you talk to yourself – Ed].