The troubles….redux. Dublins murder triangle and killing fields.

Due to the threat posed by organised crime Brian Sherry a former Garda detective would like to see methods brought in to deal with criminals in much the same way as republican paramilitaries were dealt with. He argues that a senior officer should be able to go into court and give evidence based on intelligence to put these criminals away.

The extent of the threat of organised crime today requires the state to use methods previously employed against republican paramilitaries.

Part two after the fold.

  • veritas

    there is a big difference between small political anti-State groups and those who actually live within that society.

    Former police officers have the inability to see outside simplistic unworkable solutions…

    a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

  • edward

    Internment redux

  • William

    I would certainly agree with the former Garda officer. The crooks around Dublin live as if they are untouchable, getting minions to run the rackets, whilst they keep their hands clean, but glean the profits of the crimes.

    I lived in Dublin and knew a crook called **** *******, known by the nickname, ‘The *****’….he ran a small second-hand car business near the Pepper Pot church, not far off the Rathmines Road. ******* was the money launderer for John Gilligan’s drugs empire and he is currently living on the Costa del Sol where he sells high priced sports cars.

    With the money that type of guy has and his access to justice [remember Gilligan got free legal aid at his trial] with high powered lawyers, needs drastic measures. Remember, Al Capone didn’t get done for his crimes, it was for tax purposes….but these guys need to see the inside of a jail and whatever means necessary need to be employed in order for that to happen. If the current criminal law is insufficient in order to ensure this, then the law must be changed. Ireland, especially Dublin and Limerick are polluted by gangsterism and if the word of a very senior Garda officer can put a few of these gangsters in jail, then that would be a good change to make in the current law.

  • Kathleen

    William sorry about editing the names in your post, but Mick might not approve. You could pop him an e mail if you really want them included?

  • Justin

    Now imagine for a minute living in an American city where there were 400+ murders last year.

  • Greenflag

    Sherry is right . Organized crime has to be dealt with .Mandatory death sentences for major drug dealers should be instituted across the EU and life imprisonment no parole for the small fry . In some areas even the local politicians are afraid of opening their mouths never mind juries failing to convict and witnesses failing to appear. If politicians ever want to regain the respect of the electorate they had better listen to the voters and not the ‘f***ing ‘ armchair psychologists tut tutting from Dublin 4 🙁

  • Modernist

    Hasnt yer man Willie ODea been reported in the papers for giving good character references to convicted criminals in Limerick. I believe the Irish Independent had a story along those lines there a while back

  • edward

    Justin

    that would require you to live in a very small american city

  • picador

    Now imagine for a minute living in an American city where there were 400+ murders last year.

    Then imagine Tijuana or Juárez.

    With regard to the peeler’s comments, it sounds like he is calling for a police state. The Garda have been shown to be corrupt in a number of recent instances (e.g. Quigley’s Point, Colm Murphy trial) and as far as I am aware they are not subject to any degree of transparent oversight. Why should the public have any confidence in them?

    Modernist,
    Can you link to the O’Dea story?

  • could this be true

    i realise there has always been organised crime tto some degree, but has anyone noticed the direct correlation between the pira’s wind down and the massive increase of crime in drogheda, dublin, limerick etc.

    say what you want about pira, but they kept the crime bosses in check, and some southerners will tell you that straight, that they wish the ira could sort some of these scum out now

  • catchagrip

    could this be true : “say what you want about pira, but they kept the crime bosses in check”

    they were/are the crime bosses

  • Ri Na Deise

    catchagrip

    While there may be some crossover these days. When the PIRA was in active form, they effectively ‘policed’ working class estates down here fairly effectively with their unique brand of justice.

    The increase in heroin in every Irish town(used to mainly a Dublin problem) is certainly noticeable these days as well as violent sex crimes.

    Im not that old but can remember when you knew either of those would get your knees broke or worse.

  • catchagrip

    Ri Na Deise : “When the PIRA was in active form, they effectively ‘policed’ working class estates down here fairly effectively with their unique brand of justice. ”

    Danny McIlhone and Paul Quinn are 2 that spring to mind who received that unique brand of justice

  • UFB

    “Danny McIlhone and Paul Quinn are 2 that spring to mind who received that unique brand of justice”

    And Harry Holland & Bap McGreevy are two that are absent from this Earth bacause of lack of it.

  • catchagrip

    UFB, here’s what SF had to say regarding HH and BMcG respectively … (sorry, I haven’t worked out how to do the hyperlinks yet)

    http://www.sinnfein.ie/news/detail/20639
    Mr. Maskey…”I would urge anyone with any information about last nights attack on Harry to quickly make it available to the PSNI so that those responsible can be charged and convicted.”

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/thousands-mourn-for-republican-mcgreevy-13395642.html
    Mr Adams ….”That means getting involved in providing information on criminal activity; that means engaging with the PSNI and other criminal justice agencies; that means joining with and working with the safer neighbourhoods project and other similar bodies, to make your area a fit place to live,” he added.

    There is no place for paramilitary “justice”

  • catchagrip

    ohhhh….maybe I have!

  • OC

    Any anti-state franc-tireur caught with hidden arms, or in mufti, should be summarily executed.

    Ordinary Decent Criminals are to be dealt with by the criminal justice system.

  • could this be true

    aye cause the criminal justice system’s working a treat